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Pope Francis explains name, calls for church 'for the poor'
CNN ^ | 03/16/2013 | Laura Smith-Spark and Hada Messia

Posted on 03/16/2013 10:44:39 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Rome (CNN) -- The new pope gave an insight into his choice of the name Francis in an audience with journalists Saturday -- and said how he wished for a church that was both poor and "for the poor."

His words came in his first meeting with the media since he became the only Jesuit and first Latin American to be chosen as leader of the Roman Catholic Church three days ago.

Francis, who before he became pope was known as Cardinal Jorge Bergoglio, said a fellow cardinal from Brazil had told him "don't forget the poor" as the votes stacked up in his favor.

This thought stuck in his mind, Francis said, as it became clear that he had won the two-thirds majority that meant he was the new pontiff.

"Right away, with regard to the poor, I thought of St. Francis of Assisi, then I thought of war," he told the assembled journalists. "Francis loved peace and that is how the name came to me."

He had also thought of St. Francis of Assisi's concern for the natural environment, he said, and how he was a "poor man, a simple man, as we would like a poor church, for the poor."

St. Francis of Assisi, who gave up his own wealth and prestige, is revered among Catholics for his work with the poor.

The journalists included Vatican communications staff and several Latin American reporters, mostly from Argentina.

(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: argentina; catholicism; conclave; popefrancis; romancatholicism

1 posted on 03/16/2013 10:44:39 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Sounds like new world order; citizens of nations with high per capita wealth see their economy (and charities) shifting funding/investment/jobs to third world nations.

It’s the modern notion of “internatioal charity”, government-funded “spread of democracy” and the modern slave concept of bringing the work to the slave as opposed to the old way of bringing the slave to the work.

New world order loves communism/socialism/dictators and supports them with money it gathers in the free world from taxes and monopolistic businesses.

One needs a basic understanding of what global private equity does, and how it fits into the foundation/influence/lobbying system, in order to begin to understand not only how but why new world order runs their third-world operations.

I can only hope and pray the right things happen, but I am not naive enough to think that they won’t be supremely difficult.


2 posted on 03/16/2013 11:05:53 AM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: PieterCasparzen

I don’t think so based on what I’ve learned about Pope Francis.

What we have moved to is ceding charity to the government, the welfare state. Part of the reason for this lies in religious organizations. We need to take this back - to localize it and take more of it out of government’s responsibility.

I think Pope Francis is and will be calling on Christians to be Christian, rather than more government.


3 posted on 03/16/2013 11:42:22 AM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: D-fendr

South America seems to be all about socialism and communism (new world order fronts).

Seems to be fertile grounds for research for Roman Catholics. Pursuing the truth is a good thing, right ?

IMHO, many governments and Churches have financials that they do not share with their respective citizens and members for no legitimate reason.


4 posted on 03/16/2013 12:04:33 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: SeekAndFind
Yes it is a church for the poor. Following are images of Castel Gandolfo where retired pope Joseph Ratzinger is residing:

Looks like to me he is undergoing a real step down from the Vatican (actually).

5 posted on 03/16/2013 12:13:00 PM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: SeekAndFind
I have no problem with a church “for the poor” as long as it's talking about money raised from their parishioners...it's when the Father Flaggers show of with their communist ideology that advances government seizure of tax monies to support their pet projects!!
6 posted on 03/16/2013 12:16:12 PM PDT by ontap
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To: D-fendr
Apropos of your comment, note Jefferson's description of how Welfare was administered & worked in 1782 Virginia. If the Pope would promote similar concepts, today, he could do immense good.

See Constitutional Overview.

William Flax

7 posted on 03/16/2013 12:17:33 PM PDT by Ohioan
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To: D-fendr

I would agree with that. Problem is government strong arms The Church into thinking they can do it better. In any case, pray for the Pope.


8 posted on 03/16/2013 12:24:10 PM PDT by stevio (God, guns, guts.)
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To: D-fendr
"We need to take this back - to localize it and take more of it out of government’s responsibility."

A truly daunting herculean task considering the world's citizens penchant to back those "promising" more for "free". Tis very hard to compete with "nowhere" in this day and age.
9 posted on 03/16/2013 12:25:29 PM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: PieterCasparzen
South America seems to be all about socialism and communism (new world order fronts).

Yes it is. I think this is a good place to go after it. Challenge is best where the challenge is greatest.

Plus this is our own backyard making it all the more important to U.S.

10 posted on 03/16/2013 12:31:59 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Ohioan

Very appropo!

If we could only start on this path..

BTW, there was a slight typo in your link. I recommend it for those here:

http://www.truthbasedlogic.com/chapter1.htm


11 posted on 03/16/2013 12:34:41 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: stevio
Problem is government strong arms The Church into thinking they can do it better.

Yes, and we have someone gotten to the point where the think the government is the people, that it is our agent for pretty much everything.

Government charity (it's not really charity since it is coerced) drives out true charity. Churches have been complicit in this. We have to take it back.

In any case, pray for the Pope.

Amen to that. Thanks for your reply..

12 posted on 03/16/2013 12:37:03 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: rollo tomasi
A truly daunting herculean task considering the world's citizens penchant to back those "promising" more for "free".

Oh, yes, definitely!

My very humble opinion: The role of the Church and religion in general is to address the deep and underlying causes, as opposed to top level specific political legislation. I'm thinking along the lines of Benjamin Franklin: "Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters."

Thanks for your reply.

13 posted on 03/16/2013 12:43:40 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: D-fendr

Well the odds may be against Pope Francis, but I hope he can penetrate a lot of minds. I pray for his good health in the coming years.


14 posted on 03/16/2013 12:54:19 PM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: PieterCasparzen
Oh not at all. He is NOT for the Karl Marx notion of government directing help for the poor. He saw what that did among his fellow Jesuits in Latin America, and their push for Liberation Theology, which he is against. He is more, as he said, of the St. Francis ideas of those who have much can help those who do not, and not just by giving them everything, but by helping them get to the point where they can help themselves, then help others less fortunate than themselves. It is the Christian idea of service to the poor, not the Communist idea of 'spreading the wealth around'.

One can be for 'social justice', and NOT be for big government, and Pope Francis is in that camp.

15 posted on 03/16/2013 1:03:16 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
Pope Emeritus, Benedict XVI, is living at Castel Gandolfo only until his small apartment in the Vatican is ready.

That being said, I have no problem with the Pope living at Castel Gandolfo. It is more than just a home outside the city for the Pope. It also includes the Vatican Observatory, at which REAL science is done every day.

The Vatican houses a wonderful museum of art, collected over the centuries, mostly by donations of the artists themselves, or from people who had bought the art at some point. Many try to say that the Vatican should sell it to feed the poor, but selling it all wouldn't feed the poor of the whole world for very long. The collection is a celebration of the gifts God has given artists and sculptors, and is there for anyone who goes to Vatican City to see and enjoy it, just as they would going to any museum anywhere in the world.

16 posted on 03/16/2013 1:10:41 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: D-fendr
Thank you for correcting the link. After I look at a computer screen for too long, my vision suffers a little.

William Flax

17 posted on 03/16/2013 1:14:09 PM PDT by Ohioan
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To: SuziQ

And.....All humankind should be very **grateful** to the Catholic Church for having preserved this artistic treasure and library of human knowledge.


18 posted on 03/16/2013 1:18:34 PM PDT by wintertime
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To: SuziQ

Do you have any links to his speeches or writings that would indicate that he is against liberation theology?


19 posted on 03/16/2013 1:27:55 PM PDT by wintertime
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To: SeekAndFind
a fellow cardinal from Brazil had told him "don't forget the poor"

the best way to help the poor is to support the institutions and values of private property rights,rationality, technological progress, and capital accumulation, and the economic system and political system that is compatible with those institutions and values, which are capitalism and limited government.

20 posted on 03/16/2013 1:29:33 PM PDT by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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To: wintertime

I’ll have to look. I’ve seen several in the threads about him, especially on Thursday. He is very much pro-life and against homosexual marriage, which was being pushed in Argentina, and against which he came out VERY forcefully; so much so that the President of Argentina called him out on it. Didn’t bother the Cardinal, one bit, he kept on talking.;o)


21 posted on 03/16/2013 1:52:24 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: wintertime
This thread has some comments about the new Pope regard poverty, and how we should act against it. He doesn't seem to think Marxist ideas are the answer. The part about poverty is #5 on the list.
22 posted on 03/16/2013 6:58:27 PM PDT by SuziQ
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