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Gun Rights and the Rebirth of Conservatism
Ammoland ^ | 15 March, 2013 | AWR Hawkins

Posted on 03/16/2013 6:08:33 PM PDT by marktwain

Washington DC - -(Ammoland.com)- When Obamacare passed in March 2010, a grassroots outrage ensued and months later, in Nov. 2010, the Tea Party voted out Democrats in red states and moderate Republicans who’d supported the measure.

Liberals were blindsided, RINOs were dismayed, and because of the passage of Obamacare, former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) only held the gavel for two years.

Now, just three short years later, a grassroots movement has been awakened again. But this time it’s not the Tea Party reacting to healthcare. Rather, it is a collection of the approx. 80 million gun owning Americans reacting to the federal government’s insistence on taking guns away.

It is the more than four million NRA members, and the hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of members of the Second Amendment Foundation and Gun Owners of America.

This movement is broad–encompassing Republicans for sure, but also Democrats, Independents, and Progressives like “Warren” who called into the Wilkow Majority on March 5 to talk about how sacrosanct guns are in this country. He talked of how his support for much of the progressive agenda does not include support for more gun control.

This broad spectrum of political opinion, united under the umbrella of the right to keep and bear arms, portends a 2014 election cycle not unlike the one we saw in Nov. 2010.

For this reason, much of the federal-level talk of passing more gun control that was so ubiquitous in Dec. 2012 has quietly given way to silence by Senators like Joe Manchin (D-WV) and Mark Warner (D-VA), both of whom know 2014 will not be kind to gun grabbers.

As Breitbart News reported on Jan. 14, gun control is a big loser for Democrats in 2014. But the other side of that coin is that the gun rights movement can be a big winner for conservatism.

In fact, we could see conservatism reborn around the simple truth that the right to keep and bear arms is “necessary to the security of a free state.”

About: AWR Hawkins writes for all the BIG sites, for Pajamas Media, for RedCounty.com, for Townhall.com and now AmmoLand Shooting Sports News.

His southern drawl is frequently heard discussing his take on current events on radio shows like America’s Morning News, the G. Gordon Liddy Show, the Ken Pittman Show, and the NRA’s Cam & Company, among others. He was a Visiting Fellow at the Russell Kirk Center for Cultural Renewal (summer 2010), and he holds a PhD in military history from Texas Tech University.

If you have questions or comments, email him at awr@awrhawkins.com. You can find him on facebook at www.facebook.com/awr.hawkins.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2014; banglist; conservatism; elections; guncontrol; secondamendment
It is one of the prime virtues of the Second Amendment, that it is clear enough for the average man to understand. When he clearly sees infringements on every hand, he knows that the politicians are lying to him.
1 posted on 03/16/2013 6:08:33 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

My policy is to never, ever, ever vote for a dem. I’ll vote for an anti-gun pubbie over a pro-gun dem every time. Never, ever contribute to a potential dem majority.

When we have a dem majority, we will lose more and more of our 2A until it’s gone.


2 posted on 03/16/2013 6:14:16 PM PDT by umgud
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To: marktwain
This is NOT the rebirth of conservativism. This is merely a resurgence of a love of guns. Because on the many gun forums to which I belong, there are people who still believe it's ok to murder unborn children; who still think fags are decent human beings; and who think that third world savages should be allowed to come and go as they please.

Heck, on one forum called The High Road where they still vote demonRATic but are concerned about gun rights?

Screw 'em. They're not conservatives. One moderator who calls himself JBBooks on the Oklahoma Shooter's Forum, proclaimed that he left the RAT party after Zippy declared war on ARs. I told him we don't want his kind. I mentioned the abomination known as homosexuality and I was censured for "gay bashing." The irony was that he actually had the temerity to call himself Christian.

Sorry, this has nothing to do with conservativism. This is people simply waking up the possibility of losing their guns.

3 posted on 03/16/2013 6:26:51 PM PDT by LouAvul
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To: LouAvul

Coalitions are built on a variety of issues. Taxes, balanced budgets, private education, traditional marriage, right to life, personal liberty, limited government, gun ownership, religious freedom, private health care, freedom of travel, these are all issues central to conservative government. This is Reagan’s big tent. Put them all together they spell victory for Constitutional government.


4 posted on 03/16/2013 6:39:07 PM PDT by Louis Foxwell (Better the devil we can destroy than the Judas we must tolerate.)
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To: Louis Foxwell

Sorry, but I’m not going to take long walks and hold hands with baby murdering faggots simply because they happen to own a gun.


5 posted on 03/16/2013 6:57:00 PM PDT by LouAvul
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To: marktwain
The Dem/libs have been engaging in a steady push to infringe on our right to keep and bear arms for decades. And this is how it has been working out for them in the last two decades...

And in the last two months... (Dec. 2012 and Jan. 2013)

If the lefties keep pushing gun control in another two decades one out of two Americans may be gun owners instead of one out of three.

MOLON LAVE! WE'LL BUY MORE. ;-)

6 posted on 03/16/2013 7:00:24 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: LouAvul

Don’t be a ninny. We don’t need to kiss them, only get their vote.


7 posted on 03/16/2013 7:12:42 PM PDT by Louis Foxwell (Better the devil we can destroy than the Judas we must tolerate.)
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To: marktwain

it would be so much easier for us, if you were disarmed.

now we’ll have to use some of those 1.6 billion bullets against you. you’ll know we’re there when our military mrap drives up and we start shooting into your house.


8 posted on 03/16/2013 7:26:14 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Secret Agent Man
“now we’ll have to use some of those 1.6 billion bullets against you. you’ll know we’re there when our military mrap drives up and we start shooting into your house.”

Good luck with that, seeing as the MRAP tires were flat before you started out, the potential victims were warned two days prior to the operation, and a couple of sniper shots 20 miles away from the supposed op area sent you running back to base.

This war is/will be all about operational intelligence, and the guerrilla forces have multitudes of assets in place.

9 posted on 03/16/2013 8:57:03 PM PDT by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: marktwain

your lips to God’s ears, man.


10 posted on 03/16/2013 9:01:11 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Louis Foxwell
Don't show your low class by resorting to personal insults.

You lie down with pigs. You wake up with a stench you won't believe.

Try to show some honor.

11 posted on 03/16/2013 9:03:43 PM PDT by LouAvul
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To: karnage; luvbach1; stevie_d_64

PING!


12 posted on 03/16/2013 9:38:04 PM PDT by Graewoulf (Traitor John Roberts' Commune-Style Obama'care' violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: marktwain

Gun rights are indeed the last line of defense in our republic. If it is to fall so goes everything else. But this also present our patriots with the best strategic path towards victory. In the rallying of our remaining forces to to fight the final battle.

The left feel they are strong enough to take on and defeat this final and most critical of rights. That in turn has given us the potential fuel we need to arm ourselves to prepare for our defense.

The nullification movement is now taking root among the right with passion, and with this tool we can completely dismantle the Leviathan Federal State.


13 posted on 03/16/2013 9:39:54 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: Monorprise
The nullification movement is now taking root among the right with passion,

Since Ike threatened to arrest George Wallace, Governors have been a little timid about claiming State Sovereignty.

14 posted on 03/17/2013 1:05:58 AM PDT by itsahoot (It is not so much that history repeats, but that human nature does not change.)
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To: itsahoot; All

You are correct, but moral courage counts for a great deal.

It was hard for the South to summon a great deal of moral courage to defend the semi-apartied of “separate but equal”.

The moral outrage of Second Amendment supporters over the infringements in direct contradiction to the Constitution is very high, and has substantial support from a majority of the population.

This is not like trying to outlaw cigarettes, when only a tiny percentage of smokers were willing to make a moral case for their habit.

This is like trying to outlaw automobiles on the grounds that public transportation is safer and cheaper, only if the right to own and use automobiles was directly mentioned in the Constitution.

In this fight, the facts, the culture, and the Constitution are all on our side.


15 posted on 03/17/2013 5:30:09 AM PDT by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: LouAvul

OOOOOOH! Touchy. Ninny is not an insult. Well, yes, I guess it is. But it is very well targeted. Others that come to mind are prissy, fatuous, anal, and a host of others. You obviously have never been involved with sinners and reprobates. Sorry, we will not win elections by condemning everyone who does not wear our brand of lipstick. Get over yourself. I guarantee you are no cleaner than the rest of the unwashed mass.


16 posted on 03/17/2013 5:46:26 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell (Better the devil we can destroy than the Judas we must tolerate.)
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To: marktwain

Obama’s 47% didn’t care about anti-christian legislation, abortion, the loss of jobs, or fudge packers wanting to pretend to be married. They will show up en-mass in 2014 to vote for their Black President because, after all: “he’s black”!


17 posted on 03/17/2013 8:34:36 AM PDT by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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To: itsahoot

“”The nullification movement is now taking root among the right with passion,”

Since Ike threatened to arrest George Wallace, Governors have been a little timid about claiming State Sovereignty.”

George Wallace abundantly and almost inconsolably gave up at the last moment. His resistance was not true to the heart and over an issue with no noble backbone.

The difference today is that we can’t afford to surrender our gun rights and there is no Constitutional provision(such as the poorly written 14th amendment) to even suggest that we should have to.

We can and must make a stand on this issue. And when Washington sends its redcoats in to betray their oath and levy war upon the Constitution they swore to defend. We shall fight them with all the celverness and evasiveness at our disposal.

Knowing that Washington is a huge levigiant as incomplete and unwieldy as any. They shall not find much in the way of hidden status nor address much in the way of little problems.

Just refusal to submit can come not just from our state houses but from our people as well. Great patriots all across this land who say no to the final usurpation of their rights.

That my friend is our army of liberty!


18 posted on 03/17/2013 11:13:00 AM PDT by Monorprise
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To: Louis Foxwell
we will not win elections

I guess it's true. You really are too stupid for words. And, fact is, we haven't won an election since Reagan. Merely putting big government globalist liberal clowns into office because they happen to have an 'R' behind their names is no better than putting a rat into office.

Don't bother responding. I'm through reading losers like you.

19 posted on 03/17/2013 3:50:53 PM PDT by LouAvul
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To: LouAvul

Poor baby.


20 posted on 03/17/2013 4:01:54 PM PDT by Louis Foxwell (Better the devil we can destroy than the Judas we must tolerate.)
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To: Monorprise
That my friend is our army of liberty!

You say nothing I disagree with. Wallace had a poor issue to make a stand with, I offered no opinion on the justness of his position, just that Ike had nationalized his National Guard and moved Federal troops in to assure that Wallace would be arrested if he failed to stand aside.

21 posted on 03/17/2013 11:51:26 PM PDT by itsahoot (It is not so much that history repeats, but that human nature does not change.)
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To: marktwain
In this fight, the facts, the culture, and the Constitution are all on our side.

Yes they are. Unfortunately even though 70% of the people oppose ObamaCare it is nevertheless the law of the land according to the Speaker of the House, who has made Zero effort to defund the unconstitutional disaster.

I am too old for it to matter much to me personally, but I fear for my Country nevertheless.

22 posted on 03/18/2013 12:05:40 AM PDT by itsahoot (It is not so much that history repeats, but that human nature does not change.)
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To: itsahoot
In this fight, the facts, the culture, and the Constitution are all on our side.

I am not so sure about the Supreme Court we hold a slim 1 vote majority, but no telling who Zippy might appoint next.

23 posted on 03/18/2013 12:16:20 AM PDT by BooBoo1000 (Some times I wake up grumpy,,, other times I just let her sleep.)
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To: Louis Foxwell; LouAvul
Don’t be a ninny. We don’t need to kiss them, only get their vote.

While there are plenty of people on the Left who just might believe in their right to keep and bear arms, keep in mind that on all else they are just securing their other rights, to use those in opposition to Conservative values.

While I am glad to see them support the Constitutional stand on this one issue, by no means does that make them Conservatives.

Never confuse their stand on this one issue for a change of heart on others.

Sometimes the enemy of your enemy is just the enemy of your enemy.

24 posted on 03/18/2013 12:30:43 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: marktwain
This is not like trying to outlaw cigarettes, when only a tiny percentage of smokers were willing to make a moral case for their habit.

That was one person in five, not a tiny percentage. The case was for being left alone, not to make a moral case for the habit. Being left alone lost and the nanny state got a big leg up.

Oddly enough, behaviours which would have been completely socially (morally) unacceptable (abortion, homosexuality, drug use, illegal invasion/immigration) when cigarettes were advertized on TV have become the focus of groups who claim a 'right' to act that way, and the same public who sent smokers to the back of the bus before kicking them off is lapping that BS up.

I'd rather go back to people smoking in public and put the rest back in whatever dark location it belongs in.

Whatever the argument against cigarettes, it d@mn sure wasn't very deeply rooted in morals or the rest of that crap would not have moved to a position of social prominence.

25 posted on 03/18/2013 12:41:24 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Smokin' Joe
I talked to a lot of smokers. I am not one, but I compared their plight to that of the Jews in Germany. Out of hundreds, maybe one suggested that it was their right to be left alone.

The vast majority said something to the effect, yeah, I know I should quit....

26 posted on 03/18/2013 12:59:49 AM PDT by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: marktwain
Every smoker would tell you words to the effect of "Yeah, I know I should quit..."

Most, including me at the time might have done so even sooner, but the constant harassment by smug snotnoses (often coughing at the sight of the pack or a cigarette--even though no smoke was being produced), was enough to make you want a smoke.

I got a laugh out of people in New York City bragging about having a smoke-free tavern in a town where the air is the equivalent of two packs a day, but later found out they were serious.

Say whatever about health, but it was an Alinsky campaign, where a majority of the population found reasons to 'hate' a minority, and was so effective that people were having pavlovian reactions to the sight of a package (coughing, not drooling). Of course, this gave the excuse to raise taxes and loot corporations for producing a legal product, but the anti smokers had the pep-rally bit between their teeth and weren't about to understand the precedents they were setting.

In the meantime, the State and others get to be so invasive as check your bodily fluids for traces of nicotine, and any tobacco consumer (smoker or otherwise) is treated like a second-hand citizen with the abundant blessings of the government, industry, and the clamoring mob alike.

The boundaries of how badly a group of people could be treated were being pushed back on this continent the whole while we were told to be 'tolerant', and then to 'celebrate' far more heinous habits. The rationale for doing so was stretched far beyond direct or intimate exposure to a standard of 'if you might be able t smell it'. (Pity none seem to be as paranoid of the pathogens possibly spread by the purveyors of other lifestyles we are being forced to admit to our communities, schools, and workplaces. )

Science had little to do with anything, frankly. The studies I saw made no allowances for other occupational exposures, some went as far as to blame childhood (actually, infants with) cancer on the neighbor's cigarettes.

It is amazing what people will believe when it is what they want to hear (blame the evil Jew, oops, I mean smoker...) See how that works? Welcome to 1939.

27 posted on 03/18/2013 4:54:33 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Smokin' Joe; LouAvul

You both have jumped to a false conclusion about my position on buiilding Reagan’s big tent.
A coalition of otherwise disparate voters who have overriding issues in common is a legitimate system for building a conservative candidacy. Voters need not be expected or required to accept every detail of the candidate’s platform to vote for him.
A progressive may vote for a conservative because his overriding issue is gun control. The conservative candidate is not thereby required to accomodate the progressive voter on abortion.
There are plenty of otherwise progressive voters who will vote for a conservative on a variety of issues if their candidate fails to support their concerns. We are not looking for those voters. We should.
Is this too deep for you guys?


28 posted on 03/18/2013 6:08:22 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell (Better the devil we can destroy than the Judas we must tolerate.)
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To: marktwain
People accuse me of being a single-issue writer, a single-issue thinker, and a single-issue voter, but it isn't true. What I've chosen, in a world where there's never enough time and energy, is to focus on the one political issue which most clearly and unmistakably demonstrates what any politician — or political philosophy — is made of, right down to the creamy liquid center.

Make no mistake: all politicians — even those ostensibly on the side of guns and gun ownership — hate the issue and anyone, like me, who insists on bringing it up. They hate it because it's an X-ray machine. It's a Vulcan mind-meld. It's the ultimate test to which any politician — or political philosophy — can be put.

If a politician isn't perfectly comfortable with the idea of his average constituent, any man, woman, or responsible child, walking into a hardware store and paying cash — for any rifle, shotgun, handgun, machinegun, anything — without producing ID or signing one scrap of paper, he isn't your friend no matter what he tells you. - Why did it have to be Guns 1999 L. Neil Smith

29 posted on 03/18/2013 6:21:47 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: itsahoot

George Wallace also had no moral courage to take that step and become a martyr unlike other more heroic people of his time.

Perhaps the differences is the nature of the cause over which George Wallace was fighting. Perhaps George himself did not believe it worth the sacrifice.

In any case I believe George Wallace’s heart was not in the cause as it should have been if we was to win.

He should have resisted and let the Federal troops arrest a sitting governor. Create a political crisis where battle of States rights could be fought. This is what his contemporary Martin Luther King jr did. Although not quite what anther Wallace ~655 years before would have done.

The point is if we are to defend our rights we must find and appoint leaders with the passion and conviction to do whatever it takes to defend our liberty.

We don’t need a great many of them, just a few to stand firmly upon the ground of freedom and light the fire of devotion in the hearts of our countrymen.


30 posted on 03/18/2013 11:19:39 AM PDT by Monorprise
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To: Louis Foxwell
There are plenty of otherwise progressive voters who will vote for a conservative on a variety of issues if their candidate fails to support their concerns. We are not looking for those voters. We should. Is this too deep for you guys?

Okay, so they vote with you for one candidate on one issue. The problems are these: Either they seek and eventually get acceptance of their positions on other issues which are not conservative positions, effectively watering down the set of values which together comprise conservatism, or they turn on you over the other issues.

It is great that they are concerned over this one issue if they are the sort of one-issue voter without compelling antithetical interests.

However, Abortion, Homosexuality, Illegal Immigration, etc. often are the sort of seminal issues which will take precedence as soon as the firearm issue seems settled.

As I said, sometimes the enemy of your enemy is just the enemy of your enemy.

31 posted on 03/18/2013 7:13:21 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Monorprise
In any case I believe George Wallace’s heart was not in the cause as it should have been if we was to win.

Great comment.

I watched on live TV as it happened, I could see by the look on his face, he would cave.

Regardless of the cause, I believe that on day, that we were a Republic no more, that we had became a democracy determined to become a socialistic tyranny.

32 posted on 03/19/2013 12:01:42 AM PDT by itsahoot (It is not so much that history repeats, but that human nature does not change.)
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