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Smoke Gets in Your Rights
Townhall.com ^ | March 17, 2013 | Debra J. Saunders

Posted on 03/17/2013 5:58:30 AM PDT by Kaslin

California Assemblyman Marc Levine, D-San Rafael, has introduced a bill to make it illegal for people to smoke in their own homes -- if they live in an apartment or a condo or a multifamily home. When last I wrote about Levine, he was pushing a statewide law to require grocers to charge for bags. Now he's after cigarettes -- but only the legal kind. With his new AB 746, Levine is following a trail blazed by New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg, who pushed a law prohibiting the restaurant sale of large sugary drinks, which a New York judge overturned.

One politician thinks he has the right to tell New Yorkers what they can put in their stomachs. Another thinks he has the right to outlaw Californians smoking in the sanctity of their own homes. These two must think they are gods or kings. Or dictators.

They know what's best for you, so they feel free to force you to behave -- for your own good.

"I've got to defend my children and yours and do what's right to save lives. Obesity kills. There's no question it kills," quoth Bloomberg in defense of his erstwhile ban on Big Gulps. Never mind that people could purchase two drinks if they wanted to get around the law. Why even bother?

I asked Levine whether he has any qualms about passing a law that tells people what they cannot do in their own homes. Offenders would be subject to a $100 fine.

"When you think about this issue, we send our children to school in a smoke-free environment," he answered. "Our offices are protected by workplace laws, and where we should feel safest to breathe clean air, in our own homes, is the last unprotected place from secondhand smoke."

In other words: No. Because smoke can leach from one apartment to another and secondhand smoke can kill, Levine said, he is standing up for families who don't want smoking neighbors (whether nonsmoking families want him to or not).

Levine did add that his bill would allow apartment dwellers to smoke in "designated" smoking areas. But those areas, if they qualified, would be outdoors -- outside one's home.

Observe, please, how Bloomberg and Levine have chosen the easiest targets a politician can pick on -- fat people and smokers. Not that they would call them fat people and point with derision. No, they moan about the ill effects of obesity on health. Ditto smoking.

These guys wouldn't dream of restricting the rights of people who engage in risky behavior that is popular. I asked Levine: Would his bill apply to people smoking medical marijuana?

"That's not covered in this," Levine responded. "I am much more concerned with cancer-causing secondhand smoke than cancer-easing medical marijuana."

That's interesting. According to the American Lung Association, "marijuana smoke contains a greater amount of carcinogens than tobacco smoke." What about all those apartment-dwelling children who risk being exposed to secondhand marijuana smoke? That's different.

Will his bill pass? Levine answered, "Whether it passes today or not, it will pass soon." And: "We already have a law that says if you're driving in a car with minors, you can't smoke."

That's how governments take away liberty. First it's in restaurants, and then it's at work. Then they hit your personal space -- a car with kids. People get used to the restrictions, and once a ban applies to one venue, it seems natural to expand it to others. Now a California lawmaker wants to make it illegal for people to smoke in their homes. What next


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; US: California
KEYWORDS: biggovernment; cigarettes; smoking; sugarydrinkban

1 posted on 03/17/2013 5:58:30 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Question: Where will all this cosmic illogic end?

Just asking.


2 posted on 03/17/2013 6:02:28 AM PDT by ripley
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To: ripley
"where..end"

When the federal government has appointed a person who will check your home daily to make sure you follow the prescribed method for "living." Cameras will also be installed in your home to watch you better. Yes, even there. You might flush twice. Can't have that. (snicker)

3 posted on 03/17/2013 6:13:50 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: Kaslin
Marc Levine, D-San Rafael, has introduced a bill to make it illegal for people to smoke in their own homes

Except for illegal aliens, they will be exempt.

4 posted on 03/17/2013 6:19:10 AM PDT by VRW Conspirator (Sometimes it takes calamity to lead to serenity - FReeper RacerX1128)
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To: Kaslin

After Smoking, comes regulating salt and suger intact with the PC Police watching you in your home!


5 posted on 03/17/2013 6:26:48 AM PDT by sr4402
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To: VRW Conspirator

acctually pot smoking will not be affected. only tobacco.

IOW this is all about attacking tobacco companies.


6 posted on 03/17/2013 6:31:05 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: ripley

It will end at the gulag, as it always does.


7 posted on 03/17/2013 6:43:46 AM PDT by cdcdawg
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To: ripley

Its going to end with people like Levine decorating lamp posts.


8 posted on 03/17/2013 6:52:12 AM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: Kaslin

If you have COPD or asthma and live in an apartment building where the people in the apartment next to you smoke, you’re screwed because the smoke comes into your apartment too. The people next to me smoke and the cigarette smell in my apartment is so strong it’s like I smoked half a pack.


9 posted on 03/17/2013 6:54:46 AM PDT by chessplayer
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To: chessplayer

Even if you don’t have COPD. I once lived above a man who was a chain smoker. Every night after work he would drink and smoke himself into oblivion. The stench was terrible, not just when he was smoking but day and night. The sofa never got rid of the smell. The clothes in the closets smelled like smoker’s clothes. Opening the windows only made it worse. Chimney effect.


10 posted on 03/17/2013 7:00:05 AM PDT by ladyjane (For the first time in my life I am not proud of my country.)
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To: Kaslin

This is aimed specifically at apartments and condos, not your personal property. This isn’t about not being able to smoke in your own “home”, this is about communal public places, much like workplace rules against smoking except in designated areas.

As long as they set up designated areas for smoking, much like schools, malls and workplaces, this shouldn’t be a problem for people.


11 posted on 03/17/2013 7:05:57 AM PDT by Southern Magnolia
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To: chessplayer

I can believe that, because the walls are so thin, so that is easy for the smoke to creep through


12 posted on 03/17/2013 7:08:43 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: ladyjane

There is nothing worse then clothes that smell like cigarette smokes


13 posted on 03/17/2013 7:10:40 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: chessplayer

In other words, there are incentives one way or another in our personal choices, what city we live in, what neighborhood, what apartment. Choices made as to where we work, how much we save, what home we may be able to purchase...


14 posted on 03/17/2013 7:10:50 AM PDT by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: Kaslin
Perry should go and woo them to Texas.
15 posted on 03/17/2013 7:11:06 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (http://userstyles.org/users/180132)
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To: Southern Magnolia

Smokers have a right to smoke. However they should be considerate of others. They are not the only ones around after all


16 posted on 03/17/2013 7:14:03 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Southern Magnolia

This is aimed specifically at apartments and condos, not your personal property

Excuse me, but first off condos are personal property; you buy them. Secondly, when you sign a lease that is your home. Yes, in an apartment there will be neighbors that have habits you don’t like. I once had to live above a woman that had to constantly crank up her (c)rap “music” to the point that we could not even hear our tv. This is why people want to own a single family home.

I would have no problem with an apartment owner designating his building as non-smoking, if he chooses to. I have a huge problem with govt coming in and mandating it. As far as “designated smoking areas”; I live in WI, we experience this thing called winter here. It gets cold. I don’t want to have to go outside to smoke my cigars in winter.


17 posted on 03/17/2013 7:17:43 AM PDT by logic101.net (How many more children must die on the alter of "gun free zones"?)
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To: Kaslin

But suggest controls on those who engage in unprotected sex. . . no, we can’t have THAT. . .


18 posted on 03/17/2013 7:23:03 AM PDT by Salgak (Acme Lasers presents: The Energizer Border. I **DARE** you to cross it. . . .)
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To: Kaslin
Obesity kills. There's no question it kills

Stupidity used to kill, too.

At least it did until government decided it had the authority to protect us from our own choices.

19 posted on 03/17/2013 7:27:07 AM PDT by MamaTexan (To follow Original Constitutional Intent, one MUST acknowledge the Right of Secession)
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To: logic101.net

Hey, nobody said “designated smoking areas” had to be unheated. If you’re in a big complex like mine, turn a couple of the apartment clubhouses into smoker’s lounges and serve drinks.


20 posted on 03/17/2013 7:41:28 AM PDT by Southern Magnolia
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To: logic101.net

You didn’t say if you live in a house or an apartment. If you live in an apartment, your right to fill up someone elses apartment with cigar smoke trumps their right to cigar smoke free air because you don’t want to stand in the cold for a few minutes?


21 posted on 03/17/2013 7:51:41 AM PDT by chessplayer
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To: chessplayer

If this really bothers you, you move to a place where you are more comfortable.

The NANNY state of affairs in this country is going to create more laws than a person can live with on a daily basis.

Hitler made enough laws deliberately so that a German citizen could not get thru the day without breaking Hitler’s laws.

I don’t smoke. I have ashtrays in the house. I don’t tell people they cannot smoke around me.

Some choices need to be left to the citizen.

In typical hypocrital fashion, this Democrat doesn’t want any restrictions on pot smoking.

I personally don’t like being on the roadways with pot smokers. That accident can kill me or maim me for life.


22 posted on 03/17/2013 8:00:18 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: chessplayer

There was a time that wherever you went there was tobacco smoke. Cafes, hospitals, Government offices, airplanes, cabs, buses. Some theaters and churches even allowed smoking inside. We as kids and adults stank from the stench even though we did not smoke, noses always running green snot, burning eyes.

I think the ban on smoking in such places are very good, but I do think they are going overboard when they try to ban smoking in a park and such.


23 posted on 03/17/2013 8:01:48 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (CLICK my name. See the murals before they are painted over! POTEET THEATER in OKC!)
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To: Kaslin

There was a time when people stank.

Then they began to take baths.
Started brushing teeth and invented mouthwash for bad breath.
Started using underarm deodorant to keep the stench down.
They balked at stopping smoking.

Maybe that is why smoking smells so bad,it is the only stench left and there are no other stenches to counter or enhance the smell.


24 posted on 03/17/2013 8:07:09 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (CLICK my name. See the murals before they are painted over! POTEET THEATER in OKC!)
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To: ladyjane

Even if you don’t have COPD. I once lived above a man who was a chain smoker. Every night after work he would drink and smoke himself into oblivion. The stench was terrible, not just when he was smoking but day and night. The sofa never got rid of the smell. The clothes in the closets smelled like smoker’s clothes. Opening the windows only made it worse. Chimney effect.


Definitely. Once the stink of cigarette smoke is in clothing and furniture, it’s there forever. Had a doctors appointment a few years ago and he asked me how much I smoked because he could smell it on my clothes. I told him I didn’t smoke. By the look he gave me I could tell he didn’t believe me.


25 posted on 03/17/2013 8:09:20 AM PDT by chessplayer
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
How about an alternative: require smokers in condos and apartments to get “smoke eaters” that suck up the smoke and smell?

I know, this discriminates against the poor and illegal aliens, so let's target everyone with stupid laws. What's the punishment for this terrible crime? How about sending in the SWAT team and summarily execute the smoker or smokers on the spot? It's for the children!

26 posted on 03/17/2013 8:12:38 AM PDT by MasterGunner01
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To: MasterGunner01

We had a young man work with us for several years. His body odor was so bad he could stink up a gymnasium, and I’m not kidding!

We also had smokers, and I found out real quick I would rather be in a room of smokers than that stinker, unfortunately I was trapped with him!

One day I took him aside, and gently broke the problem to him. He began to clean up a little after that.


27 posted on 03/17/2013 8:28:42 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (CLICK my name. See the murals before they are painted over! POTEET THEATER in OKC!)
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To: cdcdawg

“It will end at the gulag, as it always does.”

One of my favorite books is, “One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich”; wonderful story.

(Wonderful in that it exposes the antics of totalitarians.)

One hopes that it will not end in the gulaga, but long before that.

IMHO


28 posted on 03/17/2013 8:33:56 AM PDT by ripley
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To: Lurker

“It’s going to end with people like Levine decorating lamp posts.”

Hopefully, it will end when people like Mr. Levine are recognized for who they are and laughed off any forum by an informed and literate populace.

IMHO


29 posted on 03/17/2013 8:37:56 AM PDT by ripley
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To: driftless2

“When the federal government has appointed a person who will check your home daily...”

Progressives might consider some of the words of
Thomas Jefferson to be extreme: especially the following; ...”Now and again the tree of liberty must be nourished with the blood of patriots and tyrants...it is its natural manure.”

IMHO


30 posted on 03/17/2013 8:42:41 AM PDT by ripley
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To: chessplayer

don’t want to stand in the cold for a few minutes?

Cigars don’t get finished in a few minutes, more like an hour or more.


31 posted on 03/17/2013 8:46:53 AM PDT by logic101.net (How many more children must die on the alter of "gun free zones"?)
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To: Kaslin

Should people who live in apartment building also have the right to play AC/DC’s “Highway to Hell” at full volume at three a.m.?


32 posted on 03/17/2013 9:17:41 AM PDT by OKRA2012
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To: Kaslin

What this legislation does is make it illegal to market multi-unit housing exclusively to smokers.


33 posted on 03/17/2013 9:49:20 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (An economy is not a zero-sum game, but politics is.)
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To: Kaslin

Make it illegal for people to smoke in their own homes.

Would stoners have to give it up too?,second hand weed causes people to over eat and become obese.

/s


34 posted on 03/17/2013 9:55:46 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

We as kids and adults stank from the stench even though we did not smoke, noses always running green snot, burning eyes.


I am 70. My parents and grandparents smoked, as did everyone, everywhere, as you say. I do not recall any stench, green or even clear snot or burning eyes. We had far fewer asthmatics, fewer allergies and my particular family is/was long lived with no cancer except for one case of prostate cancer for at least 4 and going on 5 generations.


35 posted on 03/17/2013 10:25:51 AM PDT by reformedliberal
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To: OKRA2012
Absolutely not, and I believe there are laws against it. I do know that in Germany if you have your music to loud after 10PM you are in trouble.

All I am saying is that we all have to be considerate of each other. You can not disagree with that, or can you?

36 posted on 03/17/2013 10:40:22 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: reformedliberal

*** I do not recall any stench, green or even clear snot or burning eyes.****

I remember it! Waiting rooms in hospitals were seen through a cloud!

In the car, when my dad and uncle lit up we all suffered in winter. In summer the windows were down so it was not so bad.

I still remember going to a cafeteria in the 1970s. It had a No Smoking room, but to get to it you had to go through the haze in the main room.


37 posted on 03/17/2013 10:41:29 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (CLICK my name. See the murals before they are painted over! POTEET THEATER in OKC!)
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To: Kaslin

As a point of disclosure, I am part of a real estate investment group that owns several dozen multi-family buildings and we prohibit smoking in each unit.

However, I do not want the state to pass such restrictions.

But, many jurisdictions have ordinances banning the playing of load music after a certain time and if we are too accept noise ordinances, why should we not accept smoking ordinances?

Both activities, the playing of loud music create pollution and infringe on a person’s peace, quiet and comfort.


38 posted on 03/17/2013 10:48:43 AM PDT by OKRA2012
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To: logic101.net

I would have no problem with an apartment owner designating his building as non-smoking, if he chooses to.
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Exactly. Even the Condo Building could be designated Non Smoking. When enough units lay open the tenants will either share the expense or modify the ‘rules’.

Bars/Restaurants and PRIVATE OWNED transportation Companies should have the right to OFFER either. Of course once they ‘allow’ the Government to subsidize them, they are forced to follow Government mandates.

The Hotels/Motels seem to do well OFFERING smoking or non smoking rooms and if the DEMAND swings one way or the other, they should be allowed to adjust as necessary.

Government should be in the ‘advise’ mode, NOT demand.


39 posted on 03/17/2013 10:55:27 AM PDT by xrmusn (6/98 --I turn 75 next year- but remember, that's only 24 Celsius. (TKS R. Reagan))
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
One day I took him aside, and gently broke the problem to him. He began to clean up a little after that.

See that is all you had to do. He probably didn't realize that he smelled so bad and I am sure he appreciated you telling him that.

On the other hand it hard often to tell a smoker that his or her smoke is bothering you because many will tell you I smoke where I want to.

40 posted on 03/17/2013 10:55:32 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: OKRA2012

Exactly


41 posted on 03/17/2013 11:00:12 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Southern Magnolia

Agreed. Last thing I’d want is to inhale some other a$$hats smoke because the ventilation system is inadequate. I never approved of it in public transportation, the workplace, or any other similarly situated place. I puff regularly on ceegars, and do not impose that on others.


42 posted on 03/17/2013 12:17:52 PM PDT by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: chessplayer

“Once the stink of cigarette smoke is in clothing and furniture, it’s there forever. Had a doctors appointment a few years ago and he asked me how much I smoked because he could smell it on my clothes. I told him I didn’t smoke. By the look he gave me I could tell he didn’t believe me.”

I can only assume that you did not have the presence of mind to explain the situation.

BTW, you don’t have a great belief in personal liberty, now do you?


43 posted on 03/18/2013 4:41:02 AM PDT by OldPossum
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To: reformedliberal

I am 70. My parents and grandparents smoked, as did everyone, everywhere, as you say. I do not recall any stench,


Of course you didn’t notice it because you were so used to it. People who don’t bathe for a month don’t notice their stench, either.


44 posted on 03/18/2013 6:31:13 AM PDT by chessplayer
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To: OldPossum

BTW, you don’t have a great belief in personal liberty, now do you?


Smokers are the ones who don’t believe in personal liberty.


45 posted on 03/18/2013 6:37:22 AM PDT by chessplayer
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To: chessplayer

No, they are exercising what used to quaintly be considered a right to personal behavior. You, and others like you, don’t want them to do what they do, and, as always, want to call in the police powers of the government to stop them. That, ma’am, is what I and others on this thread have been trying to point out to you. To no avail. Your mind is closed.


46 posted on 03/18/2013 7:46:12 AM PDT by OldPossum
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To: OldPossum

It is your mind that is closed, ma’am.


47 posted on 04/06/2013 6:32:09 PM PDT by chessplayer
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