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Graham digs in to ban mentally ill from guns, as Dems focus on assault weapons
Fox News.com ^ | March 17, 2013

Posted on 03/17/2013 3:23:55 PM PDT by Kaslin

As Senate Democrats push ahead with a proposed ban on assault weapons and other gun-control legislation, Republicans are still trying to draw attention to what they see as the bigger issue -- keeping the mentally ill from owning firearms.

A proposal on the issue was introduced this month by South Carolina Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham, a member of the Senate Judiciary Committee, who on Thursday again expressed his interest in getting the measure passed.

“I believe that the best way to interrupt the shooter is to have a mental health system that actually records and enters into the database people who should not be able to buy a gun,” Graham said.

He made his remark while voting against a bill passed by the committee to ban assault weapons and high-capacity gun magazines.

Graham’s proposal would require that people found mentally incompetent be added to the National Instant Criminal Background System – the database for all new gun sales.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 113th; 2ndamendment; banglist; guncontrol; lindseygraham; mentalillness; mentalillnessguns; secondamendment
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1 posted on 03/17/2013 3:23:55 PM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Would our narscissist president Present pass a psy exam? Is he willing to mass murder like his pal Bill Ayers seemed willing to do? Should he and all under his command be disarmed?


2 posted on 03/17/2013 3:27:53 PM PDT by MtnClimber (I did not vote for 0bama, someone else did that!)
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To: Kaslin

I find most of these moron holding political office to be mentally incompetent.


3 posted on 03/17/2013 3:28:11 PM PDT by DivineMomentsOfTruth ("Give me Liberty or I'll stand up and get it for myself!")
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To: Kaslin

I’ll be honest with you, I think some form of restriction on allowing people with serious mental problems to buy guns is perfectly reasonable, as long as it is done right.

The trouble is, every time some crackpot goes off and uses a force-multiplying weapon to slaughter scores of people, it undermines public faith in the second amendment and adds ammunition (ahem) to those who want to restrict gun ownership for everyone.


4 posted on 03/17/2013 3:31:54 PM PDT by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: Kaslin

“I believe that the best way to interrupt the shooter is to have a mental health system that actually records and enters into the database people who should not be able to buy a gun,” Graham said.

Everyone of the people who have completed mass murders displayed dangerous signs before the event. Usually, numerous times and to professionals.

While some of them purchased their weapons the majority stole them from a friend or family member. How will this prevent the crazies from stealing weapons?

What we need to do is outlaw the “something must be done “syndrome.


5 posted on 03/17/2013 3:32:26 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan

VT shooter used 10 round magazines. His victims hid under their desks waiting for him to reload and shoot them.


6 posted on 03/17/2013 3:33:18 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Kaslin

Ban democrats from owning guns.

Problem solves itself


7 posted on 03/17/2013 3:33:25 PM PDT by digger48
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To: MtnClimber

God help us if he is


8 posted on 03/17/2013 3:36:20 PM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: digger48

touche’


9 posted on 03/17/2013 3:37:40 PM PDT by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/ ?)
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To: digger48

You have an excellent point


10 posted on 03/17/2013 3:39:32 PM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Kaslin

Anyone too dangerous to own a gun is too dangerous to walk free.


11 posted on 03/17/2013 3:40:24 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Kaslin

While I support keping weapons from mentally unstable people, I have great concern that about allowing the government to determine who falls into that category and then maintaining a database for same. That is EXACTLY what the Soviet Union did vis-a-vis those who did not tow the party line: Government shrinks labeled dissenters or critics as mental deficients, and they were subject to detention or outright imprisonment in the gulags.

And the leftist nature of our current government, who seem to be enamored of all things Soviet, would encourage it to gleefully take the same road.


12 posted on 03/17/2013 3:41:32 PM PDT by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: Kaslin
Define "mentally ill"

I am probably not "mentally ill", but I do resent law makers delving into the question.

They may determine that I am "mentally ill" simply by asking the question and opposing the intrusion.

13 posted on 03/17/2013 3:43:09 PM PDT by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: Kaslin
Graham digs in to ban mentally ill from guns

That would pretty much eliminate guns in the hands of liberals.


14 posted on 03/17/2013 3:43:32 PM PDT by Iron Munro (I miss America, don't you?)
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To: ought-six

Exactly right. They can dis-allow gun ownership based on some liberal shrinks opinion. That doesn’t fly.


15 posted on 03/17/2013 3:45:15 PM PDT by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/ ?)
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To: driftdiver

I was going to ask you if you meant the school shooter in CT because you used the postal abbreviation for Vermont until I did a search and realized you meant Virginia Tech


16 posted on 03/17/2013 3:45:38 PM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: driftdiver
"What we need to do is outlaw the “something must be done “syndrome.

TRUE! (Life again imitates comedy.)

Otter: No, I think we have to go all out. I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody's part!

Bluto: We're just the guys to do it.

D-Day: [stands up] Yeah, I agree. Let's go get 'em.

Boon: Let's do it.

17 posted on 03/17/2013 3:47:47 PM PDT by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: elkfersupper

If a shrink team had to assess the team I work with we would all be disarmed. We are honest, God fearing, hard working conservatives that risk our life every other day. We don’t belong to the new Castrati.


18 posted on 03/17/2013 3:48:35 PM PDT by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/ ?)
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To: MtnClimber
Would our narscissist president Present pass a psy exam?

LOL. He wouldn't like the report if I did the evaluation.

Seriously though, according to the article, these persons would be included in a database: Under the proposal, a person would be added to the database for such reasons as being an imminent danger to themselves or others, found guilty but mentally ill in a criminal case, found guilty by reason of insanity, found incompetent to stand trial, committed to a psychiatric hospital or required to have psychiatric outpatient treatment.

Anyone who's done mental health evaluations knows that mental status fluctuates. A person who's a risk to self (for example threatens suicide after a breakup) today may be fine with no further problems in the future once the immediate crisis is handled. And "committed" to inpatient care is not a good term if mental health is the issue. Commitment is about legal status not mental status. People can go in voluntarily or involuntarily. Do those who voluntarily seek inpatient treatment go into the database or only those who are forced legally into an inpatient setting? And what's "required" outpatient care? Is it someone court-ordered? Or someone who has to have it to continue meds or other therapies that don't necessarily make him a risk? And what about competency? Some are restored to competency to stand trial. If acquitted do they stay in the database?

I don't like this at all. My decision to get out of health care was a good one. I wouldn't want to be part of this BS!

19 posted on 03/17/2013 3:49:20 PM PDT by PeevedPatriot
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To: MtnClimber

No, no, and yes.


20 posted on 03/17/2013 3:49:36 PM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (For Jay Carney - I heard your birth certificate is an apology from the condom factory.)
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To: cripplecreek

Precisely. If a person is safe enough to be let out of the pen, then they are safe enough to get ALL of their rights back, complete and unabridged.


21 posted on 03/17/2013 3:51:22 PM PDT by Wyrd bi ful ard (Gone Galt, 11/07/12)
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To: Iron Munro

Bump


22 posted on 03/17/2013 3:52:15 PM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Kaslin

The very existence of mental illness is not a certainty. Flame away, that’s okay. To give government the power to take away an individual’s constitutional right based on something as squishy as a shrink’s diagnosis is not a good thing.


23 posted on 03/17/2013 3:52:40 PM PDT by lurk
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To: driftdiver

Amen!


24 posted on 03/17/2013 3:53:32 PM PDT by Jane Long (Background checks? Dandy idea, Mr. President. Shoulda started with yours. - Sarah Palin)
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To: Kaslin

It’s good that Graham is “digging in” to ban liberal DemocRATS from owning firearms. Those morons are a bunch of loons.


25 posted on 03/17/2013 3:54:28 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Whatever happened to the land of the free, home of the brave?)
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To: eyedigress
If a shrink team had to assess the team I work with we would all be disarmed. We are honest, God fearing, hard working conservatives that risk our life every other day. We don’t belong to the new Castrati.

Join the club, brother.

26 posted on 03/17/2013 3:54:47 PM PDT by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

I will agree with that after pardons and paroles are achieved. JMHO.

I also believe a request to the Governor is in order. Some crimes will never restore full rights. You know that.


27 posted on 03/17/2013 3:55:13 PM PDT by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/ ?)
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To: eyedigress

A crime not totally forgivable (after due reparation) is a crime punishable by death, IMHO.


28 posted on 03/17/2013 3:58:14 PM PDT by Wyrd bi ful ard (Gone Galt, 11/07/12)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

I totally disagree with that. There are crimes committed with a gun that never resulted in shots fired. Nobody was physically injured. Criminal gets 12 years or so.

Criminal has lost his right to legally possess a gun. Criminal is severely displaced upon release and must work his ass off and use his brain to get ahead.

The last thing on his mind is a gun.


29 posted on 03/17/2013 4:04:19 PM PDT by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/ ?)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

I couldn’t agree more. Once a person has “paid their debt to society” they should be fully restored.

I also think if they start banning people with mental issues from owning guns, many people with depression or minor issues won’t seek the help they need if it means they lose their rights to own guns.


30 posted on 03/17/2013 4:04:32 PM PDT by Sporke (USS Iowa BB-61)
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To: MtnClimber

He couldn’t pass either a simple jobs background check or an ATF 4473 Form for a Firearm. Speaks more-than-volumes.


31 posted on 03/17/2013 4:06:38 PM PDT by carriage_hill (The Greatest Power The Corrupt, Criminal US Media Has, Is The Power To Ignore The Truth.)
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To: Kaslin

this is very convenient when you control who gets labeled mentally ill!


32 posted on 03/17/2013 4:09:20 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: Kaslin
24 hours after it passes, conservatism and the tea party will be defined as a mental illness.

No joke here, the socialists have already put this out there.

33 posted on 03/17/2013 4:10:42 PM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Kaslin

“Graham’s proposal would require that people found mentally incompetent be added to the National Instant Criminal Background System”

By Whom? A Court Order? The decision of a Medical Professional (God help us)? By the notes of an admitting nurse (like recently in CA gun confiscation)? By Obozo’s State Police who decide to confine critics like in Russia?

“Lindsey the Light” is a very dim bulb and a very poor choice to represent SC in the Senate.

Trust NONE of these Jerks.


34 posted on 03/17/2013 4:12:07 PM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: Kaslin
Graham is entering an extremely gray arena....who is to say who is crazy? Best advice...get off the anti-gun wagon and start paying close attention to the Marxist who started this anti-Second Amendment drive. Obama is very good at diversionary tactics...to wit: Benghazi-gate...Fast & Furious; his recent footsie dinner with Republican opportunists whom he devoured....Graham was among those dinners...who is vetting Lindsey?
35 posted on 03/17/2013 4:12:32 PM PDT by yoe
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To: Kaslin

Define “mentally ill” Linseed.


36 posted on 03/17/2013 4:12:42 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Aye, there’s the rub.


37 posted on 03/17/2013 4:13:42 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: MtnClimber
Would our narscissist president Present pass a psy exam?

I have been advocating this...

In order to even get on a ballot politicians should have to -

0bungles couldn't pass any of them.

38 posted on 03/17/2013 4:13:44 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: Kaslin

Sorry, yes Virginia Tech shooter. Those kids sat their hiding under their desks which offered no concealment, and waited for him to walk along shooting each person. They even waited while he reloaded.

Why because that is what they’ve been taught to do.


39 posted on 03/17/2013 4:14:34 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Kaslin
Let's look at this realistically, 90% of the crime in this country is commited by Democrats, and upwards of 95% of the mass killings happen at the hands of Democrats.

We have the voter registration records and we know the neighborhoods these people come from so we can use them to mount a house to house, body cavity by body cavity search of each and every Democrat to find the evidence needed to put them away in prison ~ and to take away their guns!

I know there are those who are going to object that this would violate the First and Fourth Amendments, and maybe the Fifth Amendment, but if it saves one life it will be worth it.

40 posted on 03/17/2013 4:14:58 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Kaslin

The unloading of the mental institutions and putting the insane on the streets by the ACLU in the 1970’s is what has caused the crisis. The insane should be behind bars where they have no access to any guns.


41 posted on 03/17/2013 4:17:15 PM PDT by batterycommander (a little more rubble, a lot less trouble)
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To: Kaslin

the shooter in Connecticut was not in the mental health system. i understand that his mother was trying to do more for him but was unsuccessful. The Colorado shooting at Columbine not in the system thus mental health check would not helped. The Movie theater shooter was about to be in the system, but mental health services were discontinued when he was kicked out of the university.

You want backgrounds at a level. Okay lets say your parent has Alzheimers disease - you will have to give up your guns if your parent would be in your home for 2 weeks.


42 posted on 03/17/2013 4:17:30 PM PDT by hondact200 (Candor dat viribos alas (sincerity gives wings to strength) and Nil desperandum (never despair))
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To: Sporke
people with depression or minor issues won’t seek the help

Or won't fully disclose symptoms if they do. If you don't feel free to discuss all your symptoms, you won't get the best care. If your clinician suspects you're holding back, this will affect his assessment of your risk and his liability.

43 posted on 03/17/2013 4:18:23 PM PDT by PeevedPatriot
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

Yeah Saying a former felon can’t own a gun is just as foolish as declaring that any other free person can’t own a gun. If a felon wants to get a gun, he will.

The guy who ambushed firemen on Christmas did time in prison for beating his own grandmother to death with a hammer. He was out of prison and got a gun he wasn’t supposed to have. If he had been kept in prison or executed, the shooting wouldn’t have happened.

Just last month the 19 year old son of one of my old schoolmates stabbed his mother to death just weeks after the court had denied an involuntary hospitalization attempt by the parents.


44 posted on 03/17/2013 4:19:41 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Kaslin

Keeping the mentally ill from possessing any gun is a theoretical good idea. The problem will always be in the details.

In addition, unless the HIPAA law (patient confidentiality) is changed, the data base can not ever be created.


45 posted on 03/17/2013 4:19:42 PM PDT by Howindependent (A Liberal has no concept of reality.)
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To: Howindependent
In addition, unless the HIPAA law (patient confidentiality) is changed, the data base can not ever be created.

Obamacare has so many data sharing points that IMHO it definitely WOULD be possible. Besides, Sebellius can issue regulations at will. Whether the database would be secure, accurate, and protective of privacy is another matter. Obamacare destroyed the ability of patients to control the flow of their health information.

46 posted on 03/17/2013 4:27:18 PM PDT by PeevedPatriot
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To: lurk

How about something as squishy as a Nurse’s admission notes? It has already happened in CA.

“California Seizes Guns As Owners Lose Right To Keep Arms”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2996256/posts


47 posted on 03/17/2013 4:28:26 PM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: Howindependent

“In addition, unless the HIPAA law (patient confidentiality) is changed, the data base can not ever be created.”

The Govt has more right & access to your health records then you do.


48 posted on 03/17/2013 4:29:04 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: MtnClimber

Because liberalism is a mental disorder all liberals should be prohibited from getting guns. Or knives. Or bomb making materials.


49 posted on 03/17/2013 4:29:33 PM PDT by amihow
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To: Kaslin

Graham is dangerous. Anyone deemed “depressed” or PTSD or OCD or anything else can be prohibited from owning a firearm.


50 posted on 03/17/2013 4:30:39 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (There is no requirement to show need in order to exercise your rights.)
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