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Rand Paul and Tea Party Victory In CPAC poll Means Little For 2016
Washington TImes ^ | Sunday, March 17, 2013

Posted on 03/17/2013 5:30:34 PM PDT by drewh

Edited on 03/17/2013 5:36:51 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

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To: Texas Fossil

Ayn Rand - Jewish
Robert Nozick - Jewish
Murray Rothbard - Jewish
Ludwig von Mises - Jewish
Milton Friedman - Jewish

Not only are there Jewish intellectual leaders among libertarians, they kept the philosophy active when it was far less popular than now.


21 posted on 03/17/2013 6:28:50 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: maine yankee

Young people understand Wall Street capitalism is BS, and big gov Dems is BS. Rand Paul represents the third way. Small gov, liberty and suspicious eye on the evil schemers of Wall Street. America has more problems internally that needs to be solved and the bankrupt mentality of empire America must be put away and never to be pursued again. God gave us two big oceans, plenty of resources, freedom and innovation. Use it, stay home and we will prosper. Our enemies have too many neighbors to deal with before their armies can cross two oceans to occupy us.


22 posted on 03/17/2013 6:30:35 PM PDT by Fee
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To: Strk321; jjotto; Texas Fossil
I prefer the non-party label of "libertarian" (small “l”) to "conservative." "Conservative" incorporates the idea of maintaining the status quo which I certainly am not for. By clear implication, Conservative (should) also mean "preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the U.S." But "libertarian" incorporates the value of individual liberty which "conservative" doesn't necessarily.

The problem with "libertarian" is one might think it does not value the Constitution. But the Constitution is an anti-government document, creating a strictly limited government - "individual freedom" is what the Constitution is all about. The Constitution was created to protect freedom by instituting an expressed and intended limited federal government. If I had to qualify my being a libertarian, I would call myself a Constitutional libertarian.

23 posted on 03/17/2013 6:44:03 PM PDT by PapaNew
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To: rrrod

Not as nuts as the follows of the current (p)resident.


24 posted on 03/17/2013 6:48:41 PM PDT by ObozoMustGo2012
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To: PapaNew

“If I had to qualify my being a libertarian, I would call myself a Constitutional libertarian.”

That is more-or-less what I believe. Barry Goldwater used to say “If the Constitution doesn’t explicitly state that Congress can do X, then we don’t do it. Case closed.”

It is a pity that those of us on FR who do believe in limited government and following the Constitution are turned into monsters with horns who want legalized drugs and random sex in public.


25 posted on 03/17/2013 6:51:44 PM PDT by Strk321
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To: rrrod
"It seems FR has swung strong for Rand Paul"

He has SOME Conservative issues in his corner, but the far-out-in-left-field of his Father permeates his positions.

I'm with you....wacko fringe ala Ross Perot on a LOT of issues.

26 posted on 03/17/2013 6:54:14 PM PDT by traditional1 (Amerika.....Providing public housing for the Mulatto Messiah)
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To: ilgipper

” Rand Paul is the best out there right now. His dad gets fruity on some issues, but Rand fits the bill. He’s leading the party right now away from the complete disaster than the DC elite are going.”

True enough.

I don’t have to like everything he stands for to be glad that he’s standing for something.

The GOP elite is all too happy to make a big show of opposing Obama and then rolling over. I’m glad we have at least one Senator who won’t play that game.


27 posted on 03/17/2013 6:54:42 PM PDT by highball ("I never should have switched from scotch to martinis." -- the last words of Humphrey Bogart)
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To: Strk321
"libertarianism is becoming big among young people"

Yeah; ANYONE who is for free drug use and sex deviancy promotion is a vote-getter to young people.

ANYONE who wants to reign in the out-of-control societal stench of immorality is a no-go.

As long as drug legalization is supported, they'd vote for Lucifer himself.

28 posted on 03/17/2013 7:02:12 PM PDT by traditional1 (Amerika.....Providing public housing for the Mulatto Messiah)
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To: Strk321

Rand already has basically in hand a winning coalition of conservatives and honest liberals that are absolutely won over with his “simple and creative” policies on fiscal issues and civil liberties. What he needs to do to win is basically to stay as far away as possible from ideologically pure declarations about non-issues when he is clueless and tongue-tied about the real-world effects of implementing such proposals.


29 posted on 03/17/2013 7:06:35 PM PDT by erlayman
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To: ilgipper; traditional1
Rand Paul is the best out there right now. His dad gets fruity on some issues, but Rand fits the bill. He’s leading the party right now away from the complete disaster than the DC elite are going.

If Rand Paul with his defacto Amnesty plan to "Normalize" 2 million Illegal Aliens each and every year and his desire to "soften the message" on social issues is the best we've got, we might as well pack up and go home, because all hope is lost.
30 posted on 03/17/2013 7:07:25 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: erlayman

“Rand already has basically in hand a winning coalition of conservatives and honest liberals that are absolutely won over with his “simple and creative” policies on fiscal issues and civil liberties. What he needs to do to win is basically to stay as far away as possible from ideologically pure declarations about non-issues when he is clueless and tongue-tied about the real-world effects of implementing such proposals.”

I agree; he needs to work on some things. Sometimes you must sacrifice ideology to practical reality.

And incidentally, I’m starting to suspect that some of the people in here like this guy traditional1 are actually DNC moles posting here to make conservatives look stupid.


31 posted on 03/17/2013 7:22:58 PM PDT by Strk321
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To: traditional1

So?

You want them to vote for O2 next time?


32 posted on 03/17/2013 7:23:01 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: jjotto

Sorry I took these out of sequence to your listing. Some I was not sure about. Not a single practicing Jew in the bunch. Jewish by birth and family, but not by religion.


http://solohq.org/Articles/Parille/Ayn_Rand,_Objectivism,_and_Religion_(Part_1_of_4).shtml

“Ayn Rand was born in Russia in 1905 to secular Jewish parents.”

“Ayn Rand is noteworthy for her atheism and uncompromising opposition to religion.”

http://www.cwporter.com/pert1.htm

“Murray Rothbard, Mises’ student, was born in the Bronx in 1926, to immigrants from the Jewish leftist sub-culture of Poland. “I grew up in a Communist culture,” he recalled.”

http://www.myspace.com/rnozick

Robert Nozick (November 16, 1938 – January 23, 2002)

“He was born in Brooklyn, the son of a Jewish entrepreneur from Russia. He was married to the American poet Gjertrud Schnackenberg.”

Religion: Atheist

http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance23.html

Ludwig von Mises

“Although one of his grandfathers had been a rabbi, Mises was not a synagogue attendee. He was an agnostic”

An Exchange: My Correspondence With Milton Friedman About God, Economics, Evolution And “Values”

http://archive.theamericanview.com/index.php?id=736

Do you believe in God? And what, if anything, does God have to do with economics? He replied, in a handwritten note on my original letter:

“I am an agnostic. I do not ‘believe in’ God, but I am not an atheist, because I believe the statement, ‘There is a god’ does not admit of being either confirmed or rejected. I do not believe God has anything to do with economics. But values do.”


33 posted on 03/17/2013 7:23:07 PM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: Strk321

Can I assume you are against a TOTAL war on drugs as well?

Where would YOU draw the line?


34 posted on 03/17/2013 7:24:46 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: traditional1
ANYONE who wants to reign in the out-of-control societal stench of immorality is a no-go.

Gotta agree here.

We'd rather be Praised into Hell;
than Rebuked into Heaven.

35 posted on 03/17/2013 7:26:25 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

No. We most definitely should not legalize drugs.


36 posted on 03/17/2013 7:27:26 PM PDT by Strk321
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To: drewh

Ron Paul wasn’t even involved this year and their shooting at him? LOL! (And I don’t even like RuPaul)


37 posted on 03/17/2013 7:28:33 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I am a dissident. Will you join me? My name is John....)
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To: Elsie
I have no control over (nor do you) of what Candidates appear in the (R) column of the ballot.

That said, I will NEVER vote for a RINO, or Whack-o, regardless of the Party they supposedly represent.

38 posted on 03/17/2013 7:32:42 PM PDT by traditional1 (Amerika.....Providing public housing for the Mulatto Messiah)
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To: SoConPubbie
"If Rand Paul with his defacto Amnesty plan to "Normalize" 2 million Illegal Aliens each and every year and his desire to "soften the message" on social issues is the best we've got, we might as well pack up and go home, because all hope is lost."

ANYONE who decides it's okay to ignore Criminal Acts, to pander for their votes, is no better than the garbage we have in Congress and the White Hut right now.

YOU are spot-on.

39 posted on 03/17/2013 7:34:23 PM PDT by traditional1 (Amerika.....Providing public housing for the Mulatto Messiah)
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To: Texas Fossil

Well, a religious Jew, almost by definition, could not be a libertarian!

No one I’ve ever met, in their personal life, meets someone identified as a Jew and doesn’t consider them a Jew unless they ‘practice’. Karl Marx, born, raised and probably died a Lutheran, is ubiquitously identified as a Jew.

There are many atheist and agnostic Jews around who take offense when someone says they are not a ‘real Jew’.


40 posted on 03/17/2013 7:52:21 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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