Skip to comments.Iraq: The Spies Who Fooled the World
Posted on 03/17/2013 9:02:46 PM PDT by the scotsman
'The lies of two Iraqi spies were central to the claim - at the heart of the UK and US decision to go to war in Iraq - that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction. But even before the fighting started, intelligence from highly-placed sources was available suggesting he did not, Panorama has learned.'
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Saddam Hussein himself publicly stated that he had Weapons of Mass Destruction.
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What does it matter!?!?!
huh ? no mention of that dirtbag Ahmed Abdel Hadi Chalabi ?
Weapons of Mass Destruction are NOT ONLY Nuclear but Chemical..
Iraq had and used Chemical weapons.. is a well known FACT.. it is not speculation..
Propagandists love to link WOMD with a Nuclear threat..
to make the whole conversation “FUZZY”..
Whether Saddam had Nuclear weapons is a red herring argument..
It is a known fact he had Chemical weapons.. HE USED THEM!... on Kurds and the Iranians..
Never did I hear that used as an argument to diffuse the liberals..
He HAD and USED weapons of mass destruction.. several times..
Well, I have a picture on my computer of all the “yellow cake” that we all knew Sadaam had .. and it was finally found - in Iraq. However, I guess the Bush admin didn’t want to start the jawboning about it again and so I have a picture, but no acknowledgement by the world that we actually did find it.
While I’m not Powell’s fan, he did tell the truth. And .. a whole bunch of other nations had the very same intel we had about the yellow cake that Sadaam bought in Niger.
Hussein violated the cease-fire in numerous ways. Not the least of which was obstructing the weapons inspectors.
The BBC has been heavily biased in favor of the anti-war movement ever since the start of the war. An independent investigation confirmed this, and the top two executives at the BBC resigned in disgrace, but they still slant their coverage, just not as obviously.
What difference does it make?
Indeed, the man who gained liberal fame by publishing a New York Times column headlined "What I didn't find in Niger" -- Joe Wilson, remember him? -- was absolutely convinced Hussein had WMD. From December, 2001 thru March, 2002, he was lecturing on college campuses all over California arguing against intervention in Iraq because he knew that Saddam had WMD...and would use them.
Later, of course, Joe Wilson made his famous mint-tea sipping journey to Niger and reported that it was impossible for Hussein to have obtained yellow-cake from Niger.
He was wrong, of course, since the contraband yellow-cake found in both Iraq and Libya was sourced to Niger.
Thus, Valerie Plame's husband earns the distinction of being dead-ass wrong multiple times.
We didn't "find" Yellowcake in Iraq - everyone knew Iraq had it and where it was, and it was under seal and regularly inspected by the IAEA, and they were legally allowed to have it.
The Yellowcake was NOT one of the Bush administration's justifications for war with Iraq.
The general consensus (in a wide variety of books and articles, and I can confirm this personally from other people I know including the head of USMC intel during the war) is that Hussein deliberately gave the false impression he had WMD to help deter countries like Iran.
I always thought that Saddam thought he had nukes. This guy and his nut job sons were notorious for rape rooms and tossing people into wood chippers. And one son killed the soccer team for not winning a gold Olympic medal. I would not want to have to tell him that we couldn’t make a nuclear weapon. I would be telling him whatever he wanted to hear and have plans in place to flee when he decides to use nukes.
When I have brought up this particular point, it is to demonstrate the stupidity of the left. President Bush was convinced that Iraq had WMD. He had valid suspicions, in part because the leader of Iraq publicly SAID he had such weapons. Yet the left vilified President Bush!
Look I remember the time as do many many others. Saddam would not allow the UN weapons inspectors to do their jobs and did many other things that raised suspicions. Also, right before the invasion, a huge convoy appeared to be moving the weapons to Syria. Let’s not rewrite history here, the dude had weapons of mass destruction, had used them against the Kurdish civilians in his own country and had threatened to use them again. Nice try you liars in the British press.
Bush, Powell, Cheney, and Rice all lied. They were delighted to have Iraqi con men who could be rolled out to terrorize the American people and defraud them into supporting a war that was never — never — about WMDs. The blood of hundreds of thousands, and the destruction of ancient Christian communities is on their hands. Villains and wretches, all of them.
What lie did they tell?
Geeeeee .. that’s funny. Powell went before the UN and said it was one of the reasons. Where were you ..??
There was a facility that was inspected by IAEA, but that’s not where the yellowcake was .. nor was any found there. They thought it would be .. but they came up empty at that location. They expected to also find uranium there, but I don’t think it was there either. It had already been sold off.
Timmerman was the guy who told the Bush people about the secret facility and that the IAEA knew about it and had inspected it.
That Saddam had had a hand in 9/11. That he was a nuclear threat, even to the US. That the war would be short and easy. That we knew just what we were getting into and had plans in place for all contingencies.
“That Saddam had had a hand in 9/11. “
Who said that?
“That he was a nuclear threat,”
Who said that (besides a bunch of Democrats)?
“That the war would be short and easy.”
Who said that?
The Bush administration alleged ties with OBL operatives.
As I recall it was Cheney who mused about the danger of mushroom clouds over America.
Rumsfeld assured us all that he had all details buttoned up.
Let’s not re-write history, OK? They own it — all of it.
Perhaps you could provide some quotes.
Perhaps you can spare me your passive aggressive time wasting games.
Got nothin, huh? Oh well.....
Phhhfft, not this S again!
I personally read several battle board reports of mustard gas IEDs during my 3+ yr.s in Iraq. And those were just the times I checked the board before convoying.
It was the occupation and rebuilding that took time and effort. After Saddam was dropped we left. BFD, get over it or shuttupaboutit.
You dishonor all who served and those who support them. You are a shameful person. Now go away.
It is the Bush administration and all the neocon supporters of this murderous adventure that led the US blundering into disaster and dishonor. I am proud that I opposed this from the get go. My only regret is the lesson I’ve learned, that America is not and never was a conservative country.
Can’t find any quotes, huh? It’s amazing that you believe the things you believe without any evidence to support your belief.
“In their own way, the Bush administration’s MO was every bit as terroristic as OBL.”
Did a magic unicorn in a rainbow tell you that?
That’s a WHOLE lot different than you saying that Bush said Iraq had Nukes. There was uncertainty as to whether Saddam had nukes.
The quotes are all at the link — names, dates, footnotes, and all. Afraid to look?
The point of the Bush Administration’s outrageous lies was to obtain a political goal by instilling fear — in this case, unfounded — in the American people. That’s as good a definition of terrorism as any.
You are the one clinging desperately to a unicorns-and-rainbows fantasy. The only question is: Why? What’s your investment in this busted and exposed disaster wrought by fake conservatives?
On NBC’s “Meet the Press,” Vice President Dick Cheney accused Saddam of moving aggressively to develop nuclear weapons over the past 14 months to add to his stockpile of chemical and biological arms. “Increasingly, we believe that the United States may well become the target of those activities,” Cheney said.
September 5, 2002: In a WHIG meeting, chief Bush speechwriter Michael Gerson proposes the use of a “smoking gun/mushroom cloud” metaphor to sell the American public on the supposed nuclear dangers posed by Saddam Hussein. According to Newsweek columnist Michael Isikoff, “The original plan had been to place it in an upcoming presidential speech, but WHIG members fancied it so much that when the Times reporters contacted the White House to talk about their upcoming piece [about aluminum tubes], one of them leaked Gerson’s phrase and the administration would soon make maximum use of it.” (Hubris, p. 35.)
On CBS, President Bush said U.N. weapons inspectors, before they were denied access to Iraq in 1998, concluded that Saddam was “six months away from developing a weapon.” He also cited satellite photos released by a U.N. agency Friday that show unexplained construction at Iraq sites that weapons inspectors once visited to search for evidence Saddam was trying to develop nuclear arms. “I don’t know what more evidence we need,” Bush said.
October 14, 2002: President Bush says of Saddam “This is a man that we know has had connections with al Qaeda. This is a man who, in my judgment, would like to use al Qaeda as a forward army.”
January 21, 2003: Bush says of Saddam “He has weapons of mass destruction — the world’s deadliest weapons — which pose a direct threat to the United States, our citizens and our friends and allies.”
February 5, 2003: Colin Powell addresses the United Nations, asserting that there was “no doubt in my mind” that Saddam was working to obtain key components to produce nuclear weapons.
Still, the quote is now on record.
Saddam did have WMD’s. He used them on his own people. He ordered their use during the war.
He was trying to obtain nuclear capability. It was in the files that were found.
You want to die on this hill, apparently.
In the past, Saddam had old chemical/biological weapons. They might or might not have been still in a condition to use. In any case, they were not found. No facilities for producing new WMDs was found. No nuclear weapons nor any program close to producing them was found. Finally, notwithstanding the Bush Administration’s terroristic policy to frighten the American people into backing an unnecessary war, there was never any possibility of Saddam delivering a nuke or any other sort of WMD to US territory.
PS: Your links are garbage, with no content to support their sensationalist ledes.
“Your links are garbage, with no content to support their sensationalist ledes.”
Didn’t tell you what you wanted to hear, huh?
Laz and I produced the goods. You haven’t. Case closed.
You didn’t didn’t like what it said. There are more references to the same information but I doubt they tell you what you want to hear either.
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