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Iraq: The Spies Who Fooled the World
BBC News ^ | 18th March 2013 | Peter Taylor

Posted on 03/17/2013 9:02:46 PM PDT by the scotsman

'The lies of two Iraqi spies were central to the claim - at the heart of the UK and US decision to go to war in Iraq - that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction. But even before the fighting started, intelligence from highly-placed sources was available suggesting he did not, Panorama has learned.'

(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Germany; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: iraqspies; iraqwar

1 posted on 03/17/2013 9:02:46 PM PDT by the scotsman
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To: the scotsman

Saddam Hussein himself publicly stated that he had Weapons of Mass Destruction.


2 posted on 03/17/2013 9:08:40 PM PDT by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: the scotsman
Whaddaya know . . . the Beeb tells the same story as Der Spiegel but five years too late. At least they do not omit the references to the BND.
3 posted on 03/17/2013 9:09:22 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: the scotsman

Thanks, Bookmark for later.


4 posted on 03/17/2013 9:09:25 PM PDT by moose07 (the truth will out ,one day. liberals and logic: Never confuse the two! Hi MI# !)
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To: the scotsman

What does it matter!?!?!


5 posted on 03/17/2013 9:18:17 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: the scotsman

huh ? no mention of that dirtbag Ahmed Abdel Hadi Chalabi ?


6 posted on 03/17/2013 9:24:40 PM PDT by stylin19a (obama - Fredo smart)
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To: the scotsman

Weapons of Mass Destruction are NOT ONLY Nuclear but Chemical..
Iraq had and used Chemical weapons.. is a well known FACT.. it is not speculation..

Propagandists love to link WOMD with a Nuclear threat..
to make the whole conversation “FUZZY”..
Whether Saddam had Nuclear weapons is a red herring argument..

It is a known fact he had Chemical weapons.. HE USED THEM!... on Kurds and the Iranians..
Never did I hear that used as an argument to diffuse the liberals..
He HAD and USED weapons of mass destruction.. several times..


7 posted on 03/17/2013 9:29:17 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: the scotsman; All

Really ..??

Well, I have a picture on my computer of all the “yellow cake” that we all knew Sadaam had .. and it was finally found - in Iraq. However, I guess the Bush admin didn’t want to start the jawboning about it again and so I have a picture, but no acknowledgement by the world that we actually did find it.

While I’m not Powell’s fan, he did tell the truth. And .. a whole bunch of other nations had the very same intel we had about the yellow cake that Sadaam bought in Niger.


8 posted on 03/17/2013 9:36:38 PM PDT by CyberAnt ("America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth" (in spite of .....))
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To: the scotsman
I am sorry, BBC, but Saddam gave us permission to send him to the afterlife when he signed the original cease-fire, then proceeded to violate it with RADAR lock-ons and refusing UN weapons inspectors. In fact, everyone was on board when Clinton fired 900+ missiles into Iraq to help cover the Lewinski “problem.”

Get real.

9 posted on 03/17/2013 9:44:13 PM PDT by ConservativeMind ("Humane" = "Don't pen up pets or eat meat, but allow infanticide, abortion, and euthanasia.")
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To: the scotsman; Olog-hai; Enterprise; moose07; Vendome; stylin19a; hosepipe; CyberAnt; ...

Hussein violated the cease-fire in numerous ways. Not the least of which was obstructing the weapons inspectors.

The BBC has been heavily biased in favor of the anti-war movement ever since the start of the war. An independent investigation confirmed this, and the top two executives at the BBC resigned in disgrace, but they still slant their coverage, just not as obviously.


10 posted on 03/17/2013 9:56:21 PM PDT by Bryan
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To: Vendome

What difference does it make?

11 posted on 03/17/2013 10:00:44 PM PDT by woofie
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To: CyberAnt
While I’m not Powell’s fan, he did tell the truth. And .. a whole bunch of other nations had the very same intel we had about the yellow cake that Sadaam bought in Niger.

Indeed, the man who gained liberal fame by publishing a New York Times column headlined "What I didn't find in Niger" -- Joe Wilson, remember him? -- was absolutely convinced Hussein had WMD. From December, 2001 thru March, 2002, he was lecturing on college campuses all over California arguing against intervention in Iraq because he knew that Saddam had WMD...and would use them.

Later, of course, Joe Wilson made his famous mint-tea sipping journey to Niger and reported that it was impossible for Hussein to have obtained yellow-cake from Niger.

He was wrong, of course, since the contraband yellow-cake found in both Iraq and Libya was sourced to Niger.

Thus, Valerie Plame's husband earns the distinction of being dead-ass wrong multiple times.

12 posted on 03/17/2013 10:05:53 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: CyberAnt
Well, I have a picture on my computer of all the “yellow cake” that we all knew Sadaam had .. and it was finally found - in Iraq. However, I guess the Bush admin didn’t want to start the jawboning about it again and so I have a picture, but no acknowledgement by the world that we actually did find it.

We didn't "find" Yellowcake in Iraq - everyone knew Iraq had it and where it was, and it was under seal and regularly inspected by the IAEA, and they were legally allowed to have it.

The Yellowcake was NOT one of the Bush administration's justifications for war with Iraq.

13 posted on 03/17/2013 10:39:22 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: Enterprise
Saddam Hussein himself publicly stated that he had Weapons of Mass Destruction.

The general consensus (in a wide variety of books and articles, and I can confirm this personally from other people I know including the head of USMC intel during the war) is that Hussein deliberately gave the false impression he had WMD to help deter countries like Iran.

14 posted on 03/17/2013 10:41:25 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: Strategerist

I always thought that Saddam thought he had nukes. This guy and his nut job sons were notorious for rape rooms and tossing people into wood chippers. And one son killed the soccer team for not winning a gold Olympic medal. I would not want to have to tell him that we couldn’t make a nuclear weapon. I would be telling him whatever he wanted to hear and have plans in place to flee when he decides to use nukes.


15 posted on 03/18/2013 12:19:09 AM PDT by chae (I was anti-Obama before it was cool)
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To: the scotsman
Lie about having WMD's at your own risk. No one should feel any obligation to correctly assess the veracity of these claims before taking them out, as we did.

If there's a maniac in the street who looks like he's holing a gun and threatening to kill me, I won't find any fault with the cop who shoots him dead, even if afterwards it turns out that it was actually a toy gun.
16 posted on 03/18/2013 1:11:36 AM PDT by zencycler
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To: Strategerist

When I have brought up this particular point, it is to demonstrate the stupidity of the left. President Bush was convinced that Iraq had WMD. He had valid suspicions, in part because the leader of Iraq publicly SAID he had such weapons. Yet the left vilified President Bush!


17 posted on 03/18/2013 3:05:42 AM PDT by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: the scotsman

Look I remember the time as do many many others. Saddam would not allow the UN weapons inspectors to do their jobs and did many other things that raised suspicions. Also, right before the invasion, a huge convoy appeared to be moving the weapons to Syria. Let’s not rewrite history here, the dude had weapons of mass destruction, had used them against the Kurdish civilians in his own country and had threatened to use them again. Nice try you liars in the British press.


18 posted on 03/18/2013 4:52:35 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: the scotsman

Bush, Powell, Cheney, and Rice all lied. They were delighted to have Iraqi con men who could be rolled out to terrorize the American people and defraud them into supporting a war that was never — never — about WMDs. The blood of hundreds of thousands, and the destruction of ancient Christian communities is on their hands. Villains and wretches, all of them.


19 posted on 03/18/2013 7:37:40 AM PDT by Romulus
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To: Romulus

What lie did they tell?


20 posted on 03/18/2013 7:41:34 AM PDT by AppyPappy (You never see a massacre at a gun show.)
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To: Strategerist

Geeeeee .. that’s funny. Powell went before the UN and said it was one of the reasons. Where were you ..??

There was a facility that was inspected by IAEA, but that’s not where the yellowcake was .. nor was any found there. They thought it would be .. but they came up empty at that location. They expected to also find uranium there, but I don’t think it was there either. It had already been sold off.

Timmerman was the guy who told the Bush people about the secret facility and that the IAEA knew about it and had inspected it.


21 posted on 03/18/2013 8:32:17 AM PDT by CyberAnt ("America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth" (in spite of .....))
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To: AppyPappy

That Saddam had had a hand in 9/11. That he was a nuclear threat, even to the US. That the war would be short and easy. That we knew just what we were getting into and had plans in place for all contingencies.


22 posted on 03/18/2013 12:22:11 PM PDT by Romulus
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To: Romulus

“That Saddam had had a hand in 9/11. “

Who said that?

“That he was a nuclear threat,”

Who said that (besides a bunch of Democrats)?

“That the war would be short and easy.”

Who said that?


23 posted on 03/18/2013 12:28:46 PM PDT by AppyPappy (You never see a massacre at a gun show.)
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To: AppyPappy

The Bush administration alleged ties with OBL operatives.

As I recall it was Cheney who mused about the danger of mushroom clouds over America.

Rumsfeld assured us all that he had all details buttoned up.

Let’s not re-write history, OK? They own it — all of it.


24 posted on 03/18/2013 1:53:19 PM PDT by Romulus
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To: Romulus

Perhaps you could provide some quotes.


25 posted on 03/18/2013 2:30:35 PM PDT by AppyPappy (You never see a massacre at a gun show.)
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To: AppyPappy

Perhaps you can spare me your passive aggressive time wasting games.


26 posted on 03/18/2013 4:45:11 PM PDT by Romulus
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To: Romulus

Got nothin, huh? Oh well.....


27 posted on 03/18/2013 4:51:09 PM PDT by AppyPappy (You never see a massacre at a gun show.)
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To: the scotsman
MSNBC - Cyanide & Mustard Agents Found in Euphrates River

-PJ

28 posted on 03/18/2013 4:52:18 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: Political Junkie Too
EUPHRATES 'POISONED' - Sky News

WMD Found in Iraq

-PJ

29 posted on 03/18/2013 4:56:28 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: Enterprise

Phhhfft, not this S again!

I personally read several battle board reports of mustard gas IEDs during my 3+ yr.s in Iraq. And those were just the times I checked the board before convoying.


30 posted on 03/18/2013 4:59:20 PM PDT by Justa
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To: Romulus
The Iraq war was indeed "short and easy". It was one of the fastest, most successful invasions in history for troops involved, and territory captured.

It was the occupation and rebuilding that took time and effort. After Saddam was dropped we left. BFD, get over it or shuttupaboutit.

You dishonor all who served and those who support them. You are a shameful person. Now go away.

31 posted on 03/18/2013 5:16:51 PM PDT by Justa
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To: Justa

It is the Bush administration and all the neocon supporters of this murderous adventure that led the US blundering into disaster and dishonor. I am proud that I opposed this from the get go. My only regret is the lesson I’ve learned, that America is not and never was a conservative country.


32 posted on 03/19/2013 7:27:58 AM PDT by Romulus
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To: AppyPappy
People are pretty stupid, but they are not that stupid. Notwithstanding your Orwellian memory hole games, ten years is not long enough for those who're truly interested to have forgotten the (discredited) reports of Saddam's agents meeting with Mohammed Atta in Prague, or the Administration's pointed warnings about "mushroom clouds" over America. In their own way, the Bush administration's MO was every bit as terroristic as OBL.
33 posted on 03/19/2013 7:45:15 AM PDT by Romulus
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To: Romulus

Can’t find any quotes, huh? It’s amazing that you believe the things you believe without any evidence to support your belief.

“In their own way, the Bush administration’s MO was every bit as terroristic as OBL.”

Did a magic unicorn in a rainbow tell you that?


34 posted on 03/19/2013 11:17:08 AM PDT by AppyPappy (You never see a massacre at a gun show.)
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To: AppyPappy; Romulus
In the interests of historical accuracy: Not Cheney, but Bush administration official, in 2002: [Condoleezza Rice] acknowledged that "there will always be some uncertainty" in determining how close Iraq may be to obtaining a nuclear weapon but said, "We don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud."
35 posted on 03/19/2013 11:24:49 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Republicans have the same policies as the Democrats, except for the part where they win elections.)
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To: Lazamataz

That’s a WHOLE lot different than you saying that Bush said Iraq had Nukes. There was uncertainty as to whether Saddam had nukes.


36 posted on 03/19/2013 11:29:58 AM PDT by AppyPappy (You never see a massacre at a gun show.)
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To: AppyPappy

The quotes are all at the link — names, dates, footnotes, and all. Afraid to look?

The point of the Bush Administration’s outrageous lies was to obtain a political goal by instilling fear — in this case, unfounded — in the American people. That’s as good a definition of terrorism as any.

You are the one clinging desperately to a unicorns-and-rainbows fantasy. The only question is: Why? What’s your investment in this busted and exposed disaster wrought by fake conservatives?


37 posted on 03/19/2013 11:44:31 AM PDT by Romulus
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To: AppyPappy

On NBC’s “Meet the Press,” Vice President Dick Cheney accused Saddam of moving aggressively to develop nuclear weapons over the past 14 months to add to his stockpile of chemical and biological arms. “Increasingly, we believe that the United States may well become the target of those activities,” Cheney said.

September 5, 2002: In a WHIG meeting, chief Bush speechwriter Michael Gerson proposes the use of a “smoking gun/mushroom cloud” metaphor to sell the American public on the supposed nuclear dangers posed by Saddam Hussein. According to Newsweek columnist Michael Isikoff, “The original plan had been to place it in an upcoming presidential speech, but WHIG members fancied it so much that when the Times reporters contacted the White House to talk about their upcoming piece [about aluminum tubes], one of them leaked Gerson’s phrase — and the administration would soon make maximum use of it.” (Hubris, p. 35.)

On CBS, President Bush said U.N. weapons inspectors, before they were denied access to Iraq in 1998, concluded that Saddam was “six months away from developing a weapon.” He also cited satellite photos released by a U.N. agency Friday that show unexplained construction at Iraq sites that weapons inspectors once visited to search for evidence Saddam was trying to develop nuclear arms. “I don’t know what more evidence we need,” Bush said.

October 14, 2002: President Bush says of Saddam “This is a man that we know has had connections with al Qaeda. This is a man who, in my judgment, would like to use al Qaeda as a forward army.”

January 21, 2003: Bush says of Saddam “He has weapons of mass destruction — the world’s deadliest weapons — which pose a direct threat to the United States, our citizens and our friends and allies.”

February 5, 2003: Colin Powell addresses the United Nations, asserting that there was “no doubt in my mind” that Saddam was working to obtain key components to produce nuclear weapons.


38 posted on 03/19/2013 11:48:08 AM PDT by Romulus
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To: AppyPappy

Still, the quote is now on record.


39 posted on 03/19/2013 11:54:20 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Republicans have the same policies as the Democrats, except for the part where they win elections.)
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To: Romulus

Saddam did have WMD’s. He used them on his own people. He ordered their use during the war.
He was trying to obtain nuclear capability. It was in the files that were found.
http://www.newsmax.com/RonaldKessler/saddamhusseiniraqwmd/2010/09/07/id/369348
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/207165/saddam-had-wmds/stanley-kurtz


40 posted on 03/19/2013 12:02:42 PM PDT by AppyPappy (You never see a massacre at a gun show.)
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To: AppyPappy

You want to die on this hill, apparently.

In the past, Saddam had old chemical/biological weapons. They might or might not have been still in a condition to use. In any case, they were not found. No facilities for producing new WMDs was found. No nuclear weapons nor any program close to producing them was found. Finally, notwithstanding the Bush Administration’s terroristic policy to frighten the American people into backing an unnecessary war, there was never any possibility of Saddam delivering a nuke or any other sort of WMD to US territory.

PS: Your links are garbage, with no content to support their sensationalist ledes.


41 posted on 03/19/2013 12:20:50 PM PDT by Romulus
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To: Romulus

“Your links are garbage, with no content to support their sensationalist ledes.”

Didn’t tell you what you wanted to hear, huh?


42 posted on 03/19/2013 12:35:02 PM PDT by AppyPappy (You never see a massacre at a gun show.)
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To: AppyPappy

Laz and I produced the goods. You haven’t. Case closed.


43 posted on 03/19/2013 12:46:27 PM PDT by Romulus
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To: Romulus

You didn’t didn’t like what it said. There are more references to the same information but I doubt they tell you what you want to hear either.


44 posted on 03/19/2013 12:56:19 PM PDT by AppyPappy (You never see a massacre at a gun show.)
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