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Broke U.S. Postal Service paying $2M for conference, golf, party
Washington Times ^ | 2/19/13 | Cheryl K. Chumley

Posted on 03/18/2013 2:55:15 AM PDT by Libloather

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Another rate increase on the way?
1 posted on 03/18/2013 2:55:15 AM PDT by Libloather
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To: Libloather
Rearranging the deck chairs. Lets open another bottle of Champagne, too.
2 posted on 03/18/2013 2:59:01 AM PDT by Lockbar (Quality Factory Loaded Ammunition ------- The New Gold)
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To: Libloather

The way to limit all of these conferences...go ahead and hold them but put them all in cities like Ames, Iowa, or Topeka, Kansas, or Birmingham, Alabama. Put these folks all into three-star hotels.....give $20 a day for food, and let them have their conference. My guess is that half will turn down the deal.


3 posted on 03/18/2013 2:59:38 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: Libloather

Why don’t they simply jack up the price of postage to $2 per letter. Then money would no longer be a problem.


4 posted on 03/18/2013 3:02:23 AM PDT by Hoodat (I stand with Rand.)
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To: Libloather

I say we help push the demise of this arcane, obsolete agency. Utilize the Internet in every way possible; pay bills, electronic receipts, email, etc. then, write “Return to Sender” on every piece of junk mail you receive and put it back in your mail box.


5 posted on 03/18/2013 3:02:55 AM PDT by snoringbear (E.oGovernment is the Pimp,)
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To: Libloather

Party for me. No Saturday delivery for you.

Perception is EVERYTHING.

Buncha dumbasses.


6 posted on 03/18/2013 3:12:41 AM PDT by upchuck (Free Republic: faster than a speeding bullet!)
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To: Libloather

They just never get over themselves do they?


7 posted on 03/18/2013 3:13:44 AM PDT by wesagain (The God #Elohim# of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is the One True GOD.)
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To: Libloather

More EID stamps!!


8 posted on 03/18/2013 3:13:54 AM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Vendetta))
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To: Libloather
In the grand scheme of things........

In the New America™, our deficit isn't a problem!

9 posted on 03/18/2013 3:14:16 AM PDT by liberalh8ter (The only difference between flash mob 'urban yutes' and U.S. politicians is the hoodies.)
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To: Libloather
The trip is expected to cost the flailing agency — which is pushing to stop Saturday letter delivery due to revenue issues — more than $2 million

Should read, "The trip is expected to cost flailing taxpayers..."

10 posted on 03/18/2013 3:14:23 AM PDT by immadashell
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To: snoringbear

As long as there is a need for certfied legal service with hard copy , and package service tthat will deliver to every US address plus APO/FPO, the USPS is not obsolete.

Heck, it’s one of the few things the national gov does that is actually contemplated by the Founders.


11 posted on 03/18/2013 3:16:47 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (HRC:"Sometimes she looks like a primary schoolgirl and sometimes a pensioner going shopping,"-NKorea)
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To: snoringbear

Your junk mail with” return to sender” will be chucked at the post office.
They do not return junk mail.
Junk mail is just that. Junk.


12 posted on 03/18/2013 3:18:01 AM PDT by lucky american (The Democrats will follow the big "D"even if it means going over a cliff.)
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To: Libloather

Maybe they could sponsor Lance Armstrong to raise money.


13 posted on 03/18/2013 3:20:11 AM PDT by mkmensinger
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To: Dr. Sivana

Agreed... Between the unions and congress, they are bound and determined to strangle the organization. We either need to finish the split and make it a totally private corporation or undo the split and make it totally government.


14 posted on 03/18/2013 3:26:50 AM PDT by vet7279 (Those of you who think you know it all are very annoying to those of us who do!)
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To: Libloather

Regarding our small business, the worst part is, they’ve eliminated cheaper classes of international mail, so mailing our American-made products cost far more to international customers than it used to.

The same size packages overseas that used to cost $10 when we sent them “Surface Mail”, now everything has to be sent “Air mail”, which is $55 and up!

Our sales direct to consumer, both national and international, business is way down.


15 posted on 03/18/2013 3:36:32 AM PDT by Southern Magnolia
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To: vet7279

I agree, as a USPS employee. I’m glad they at least make an attempt to self-sustain as an organization, but it’s damned hard to do with a board of directors like Congress. And STUPID leaders like the PMG.

Something happens at every level of government down to the local city council. The idea that to increase revenue means to raise taxes, or in this case price of stamps and service. This ends up having the opposite effect, of course. Less people use the service.

Just like our local municipal golf course, having lost money for several years, they raise rates. This is why they started losing money in the first place. It used to be $7/day for all the golf you want, and it was profitable. Now you’re talking $40 a round if you rent a cart.

A buddy of mine that does shipping every afternoon at his job reported to the local Post Office that due to the recent changes in shipping rates, he’s now shipping more packages via UPS versus the Post Office. How is the Post Office benefiting?


16 posted on 03/18/2013 3:37:21 AM PDT by Big Giant Head
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To: Dr. Sivana

“As long as there is a need for certfied legal service with hard copy , and package service tthat will deliver to every US address plus APO/FPO, the USPS is not obsolete.”

The demand for certain services may not be obsolete but the business model (USPS) for delivery of said services is obsolete, broke. Why not privatize? Perhaps allow competitors to utilize privately owned or paid for mail boxes as an example. There are several possibilities if the government would just get out of the way.


17 posted on 03/18/2013 3:37:49 AM PDT by snoringbear (E.oGovernment is the Pimp,)
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To: Big Giant Head

Several years ago the USPS tried to compete in the market by creating eBillpay and Certificate of Authentication capability for certified email as well as several other tools but congress stopped them after UPS et all started whining.


18 posted on 03/18/2013 3:41:01 AM PDT by vet7279 (Those of you who think you know it all are very annoying to those of us who do!)
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To: Libloather
For some reason the UPS pressure group (group?) behind this story ~ which has been peddled for over 30 years, forgot to mention that Postal Forum costs are picked up in attendee fees.

The National Postal Forum is not USPS ~ and in some years UPS and FedEx have actually set up tradefair booths in the conference hall, as have equipment manufacturers (Noting that large mailing houses don't stick those cards, letters and SPRs together by hand these days).

So, raise your hands fellow posters ~ how many of you work for UPS or for countries with long term special contracts with that company? 1?

2?

Most likely all of you!

19 posted on 03/18/2013 3:42:08 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Dr. Sivana
Heck, it’s one of the few things the national gov does that is actually contemplated by the Founders.

The founders were fine with creating the USPS and roads to get to them, not necessarily operating them.

A1S8: To establish Post Offices and post Roads;

Websters on "establish":to found, institute, build, or bring into being

20 posted on 03/18/2013 3:43:00 AM PDT by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: snoringbear

Private companies can go on strike, or go out of business. When you forbid them from doing so, they become quasi-government agencies like it is now. I would almost prefer to make it all gov. like it was for 160+ years, and get them out of the junk mail business. It might still atrophy, but it would still have a role.


21 posted on 03/18/2013 3:45:20 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (HRC:"Sometimes she looks like a primary schoolgirl and sometimes a pensioner going shopping,"-NKorea)
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To: pepsionice
Sounds like your typical government related conference ~but your price estimates are a tad high ~ and things can be done for even less OUT OF SEASON, but the airfare to get to most of those places is outta'site

BTW, USPS already has thousands of employees all over the country who can easily be called upon to provide support services at the National Postal Forum meetings ~ at no more cost than would ordinarily be paid for their salaries.

What we need is information about how many employees need to travel to the conference and how many are already there.

San Fran this time of year is OUT OF SEASON!

22 posted on 03/18/2013 3:46:27 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: C210N
The founders were fine with creating the USPS and roads to get to them, not necessarily operating them.

Agreed. But since they were government operated from before the Constitution's passage, that hardly makes them extra-Constitutional.

Whatever form the U.S. Postal Service takes, private carriers can still be subcontracted as they are today. Pass a law contemplating shrinkage, so that new hires don't get defined benefit retirement pensions, and that would help the long term health of a smaller, though admittedly not leaner, USPS.
23 posted on 03/18/2013 3:50:27 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (HRC:"Sometimes she looks like a primary schoolgirl and sometimes a pensioner going shopping,"-NKorea)
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To: Big Giant Head

If the USPS doesn’t fix their tracking system, they’re going to lose the rest of their package shipping business.


24 posted on 03/18/2013 3:53:57 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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I’ve attended a few of these and they’re not “lavish” at all. We usually stayed at chain motels (the cheap paces filled up first) and ate mostly at the local dives. We had to pay an entrance fee and pay for our own hotel and meals and there were corporate sponsored/paid events like golf but to say it was lavish was be a major exaggeration.
I don’t think people understand how low key these things actually are. DMA and postal people are about as boring as they come. I tried to start a riot and nobody wanted to join.
Seriously, it was a great way to get familiar with the latest and greatest innovations and discuss the future with actual people that are most familiar with the industry.

But I can understand why people would prejudge, especially since the USPS is in such dire straits.


25 posted on 03/18/2013 4:00:00 AM PDT by newnhdad (Our new motto: USA, it was fun while it lasted.)
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To: Libloather

disgusting...more money thrown at this inept managed dept,,and less service...like the schools...


26 posted on 03/18/2013 4:11:36 AM PDT by nikos1121
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To: Big Giant Head

Please understand, I’m sure you do, that the American people KNOW that the postal workers are hard working, dedicated and loyal. It’s your managers from the very top down who are incompetent.

ROmney would have cleaned things up. Let UPS, FED EX take it over, and employ all of you. The service will be great... prices will drop... etc.

How many gov’t agencies are totally over priced and worthless right now... ?

Dept of Energy, Education, Commerce, etc etc.....

Our country in the 50s truly was prosperous and every level...WE’re hostage to mediocrity and cronyism....

I pray that we will hit rock bottom in the next few years to unveil the waste and incompetency of our federal govt. Senators being elected by the people was NEVER intended...The states are the laboratories for excellence.

I turned the TV News off a year ago, during LENT and haven’t watched it but a few times since, and haven’t missed a thing. Not a thing.


27 posted on 03/18/2013 4:18:56 AM PDT by nikos1121
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To: Libloather

Someone please stop the madness in DC. Freeze the checkbook.


28 posted on 03/18/2013 4:20:37 AM PDT by FES0844
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To: Fresh Wind
If the USPS doesn’t fix their tracking system, they’re going to lose the rest of their package shipping business.

Do you mean the tracking system that reports the package pickup two days after shipment, reports the delivery the day after arrival, and reports nothing in between?

29 posted on 03/18/2013 4:20:56 AM PDT by Senator_Blutarski
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Your check is in the mail...


30 posted on 03/18/2013 4:22:14 AM PDT by abb
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No, I mean the tracking system that never reports the delivery at all.


31 posted on 03/18/2013 4:24:57 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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To: pepsionice

I tend to agree on holding the meetings in less expensive venues.

I tend to support the idea of having the meeting however. The concept of continental uniformity is pretty much blather. There are regional differences producing regional specific problems. The chance to mingle is the chance to increase understanding.

They are having an exhibit hall. This means the meeting is in some way akin to a trade show where you meet vendors eyeball to eyeball and get the latest info and convey gripes. It is very hard to place a value on such opportunity.

It is cool for those in a rut that never permits travel and interaction to bitch about costs. It is more difficult to convey understanding of the concept that meetings are not total boondoggles meant only for entertainment. The cost benefit ratio is conceptual and to a large extent not measureable with precision.


32 posted on 03/18/2013 4:35:23 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 .....The fairest Deduction to be reduced is the Standard Deduction)
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A government that can’t find $45 B in waste when spending 100 times that amount can’t be bothered to find a few packages here and there.


33 posted on 03/18/2013 4:38:44 AM PDT by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: Libloather

I wish the USPS would shut down already! It’s a completely useless anachronism that has become the poster child for inadequacy.


34 posted on 03/18/2013 4:39:51 AM PDT by dinodino
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To: bert

Your points are good—so why hold an expensive convention in California? Hold it in a USPS warehouse somewhere in the middle of the country, thus making it cheaper and easier for everyone to get there.

Hold it in Topeka.


35 posted on 03/18/2013 4:41:47 AM PDT by dinodino
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STOP THE MADNESS!!!!! DEMOCRATS think they are SO MUCH BETTER than anyone elese and they KNOW NOTHING WILL HAPPEN TO THEM!!


36 posted on 03/18/2013 4:47:40 AM PDT by Ann Archy
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-——so why hold an expensive convention in California?-——

I of course don’t know but would guess the meetings are moved around. East Coast last year, west coast this year.

I would also guess they got a good price from the host relative to other hosts there about.

Topeka would probably less expensive however.


37 posted on 03/18/2013 4:49:26 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 .....The fairest Deduction to be reduced is the Standard Deduction)
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To: Hoodat
Why don’t they simply jack up the price of postage to $2 per letter. Then money would no longer be a problem.

It wouldn't matter how much they took in, they would STILL spend more than they have.

They could be driving Ferrari's to deliver the mail and still complain it wasn't enough. They are parasites, plain and simple.

38 posted on 03/18/2013 5:15:18 AM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: lucky american

“They do not return junk mail. Junk mail is just that. Junk.”

I’m surprised that environmentalists, who have us driving around in tiny deathtraps, have not been able to stop junk mail in the name of saving the trees killed to make it.


39 posted on 03/18/2013 5:20:03 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: Hoodat

As I understand it your postal service is only allowed to raise rates in line with inflation.

Unfortunately they are pinned to an artificial index that woefully underestimates actual inflation - this is one of the reasons why the USPS is going under.

But of course there is a deal of over-management, overgenerous pension provision and so forth as well.


40 posted on 03/18/2013 5:27:32 AM PDT by agere_contra (I once saw a movie where only the police and military had guns. It was called 'Schindler's List'.)
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To: lucky american

Do not return to sender. Send the Harry Reid. He enjoys receiving all kinds of mail.


41 posted on 03/18/2013 5:34:45 AM PDT by Vehmgericht
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To: Libloather

Golf? Is Barry invited?


42 posted on 03/18/2013 5:52:17 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (For Jay Carney - I heard your birth certificate is an apology from the condom factory.)
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To: Libloather

Funny. I’ve been seeing all these commercials lately asking me to contact Congress to “tell them to keep Saturday delivery”. They could eliminate Tuesday and Thursday delivery as well as far as I’m concerned.


43 posted on 03/18/2013 5:53:56 AM PDT by woweeitsme
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To: newnhdad

Newnhdad: You must have been pretty far down the food chain if you had to pay for your chain motel and meals at local dives. People in the Jeff Neely class don’t even have to pay for their rumba dancing lessons. Of course these meet-ups are essential because they provide an opportunity to “get familiar with the latest and greatest innovations and discuss the future with actual people that are most familiar with the industry.” Meetings like this probably explain why the USPS is so efficient and innovative.


44 posted on 03/18/2013 5:57:15 AM PDT by Vehmgericht
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To: vet7279

What’s wrong with holding a conference via the internet? They can sit at their desks and “talk”.


45 posted on 03/18/2013 6:07:12 AM PDT by tillacum
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To: Libloather

It is a government agency, despite the legal fiction that it is not. It is run by ruling elite that thinks that it deserves special privileges while it looks down its nose at the ordinary people.


46 posted on 03/18/2013 6:27:22 AM PDT by I want the USA back
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To: Dr. Sivana
Hmm ~ no defined benefit pensions for the retirees from the only federal government agency to actually set aside funds FOR those defined benefit pensions?

Sounds like yet another trick to divert postage revenues from postal operations over to subsidizing the department of education, or some other leech ridden bedbug of a federal agency.

47 posted on 03/18/2013 6:27:23 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Vehmgericht

They actually are, but most of what they do is behind the scenes and stifled by how they are able to do business. The legacy costs are what is killing them.
They have been on the cutting edge on barcode technology, including smartcodes and optical character recognition, handwriting recognition, streamlining and workforce optimization. Just about everything they do is geared towards eliminating as many people handling a piece of mail as possible but union demands and forced inefficiencies are suppressing innovations.

I believe if they were relieved of their union entanglements and allowed to compete with a more private sector mentality, they would offer a robust business model. Mail might be more expensive for the larger mailers, but they would be more market friendly.

A lot of the inefficiency that we see are due to constraints placed on them by Congress (because the fed government would be footing the bill otherwise)and more importantly, the unions.


48 posted on 03/18/2013 6:27:37 AM PDT by newnhdad (Our new motto: USA, it was fun while it lasted.)
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To: Libloather

The postal service is a vital part of commerce. Consider how much sorting, transfer and transportation is needed to pick up that one birthday card and take it across the country (or the world) and deliver it within a few days.

Compare that to a cab ride or any other delivery service - if there were no USPS. The cost of a stamp in the private sector would approach $2 per letter.

Certainly, improvements are needed in management of resources and cost containment - but this is a Government subsidized enterprise. No profit motive = no incentive. No surprise.


49 posted on 03/18/2013 6:35:27 AM PDT by sodpoodle (Life is prickly - carry tweezers.)
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To: bert

The Postal Forum charges fees to attend. http://www.npf.org/pdfs/RegForm.pdf ~ downloadable ~ if you want to attend ~ shows $900 is the fee. Then you can also rent a hotel room ~ be sure to do that early ‘cause there’s never enough. This center has 7,000 parking spaces and it is anticipated the Postal Forum will use all of them ~ there’s a fee you get to pay for that. Adding in the advertising and additional fees on exhibitors, this thing could easily top $5 million ~ and the only USPS cost is to provide the computer based registration and ID system for attendees and send a couple of dozen ‘executives’ to the show. The rest are local postal people sidetracked for a couple of days to check IDs, set up presentation sites, etc.


50 posted on 03/18/2013 6:38:14 AM PDT by muawiyah
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