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Support for Same-sex Marriage Crosses Party Lines
Townhall.com ^ | March 18, 2013 | Michael Barone

Posted on 03/18/2013 6:24:44 AM PDT by Kaslin

In an opinion article in the Columbus Dispatch, Ohio Republican Sen. Rob Portman announced that he has changed his mind and now supports same-sex marriage.

He wrote that on learning that one of his sons is gay he "wrestled with how to reconcile my Christian faith with my desire for Will to have the same opportunities to pursue happiness and fulfillment as his brother and sister."

He is not the only prominent Republican to come to this view in this way. Former Vice President Dick Cheney is another.

And at the Conservative Political Action Committee convention, a panel sponsored by the Competitive Enterprise Institute drew a large and approving crowd for a discussion labeled, "A Rainbow on the Right: Growing the Coalition, Bringing Tolerance Out of the Closet."

It's clear now that support for same-sex marriage crosses party lines. That's what one might expect, from polls that show a huge shift of opinion on this issue over the last two decades.

In the early 1990s, large majorities opposed same-sex marriage. In 1996, Bill Clinton didn't hesitate before signing the Defense of Marriage Act, which barred the federal government from recognizing same-sex marriages. He now urges its repeal.

In 2004, after the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court by a 4-3 margin discovered that the state's 1780 Constitution required recognition of same-sex marriages, George W. Bush supported the Family Marriage Amendment, which would bar such marriages across the nation.

That was never going to be ratified, but it did help Bush mobilize tradition-minded voters in states like Ohio in the 2004 election.

Now many polls show majorities or pluralities of Americans favor same-sex marriage. Last November, voters in Maine, Maryland and Washington approved same-sex marriage.

Voters in Minnesota rejected a constitutional amendment that would ban it. That's in contrast to the results in 30 states, all but one of them in 2008 or earlier, where voters approved similar amendments.

Many of those states would surely vote the other way now, including California, whose 52-to-48 percent vote against same-sex marriage in 2008 was overturned by federal trial and appeals courts in a case now before the Supreme Court.

The Supreme Court could rule that the Constitution requires same-sex marriage everywhere. Or it could affirm the appeals court's rationale, which applies to California only.

Or it could say that the Constitution leaves this issue to the states. That's the outcome that, as a supporter of same-sex marriage, I prefer.

Nine states and the District of Columbia have legalized same-sex marriage, most by legislative or popular vote. Another 11 states have no constitutional amendment barring it.

And the 30 states with such constitutional amendments could repeal those amendments by popular vote.

That would require continuing debate and discussion. A good place to start is for everyone to recognize that, as Portman writes, "well-intentioned people can disagree on the question of marriage for gay couples."

I believe that large majorities of people on both sides take their stands out of good motives. Yes, you can find some haters on both sides if you look hard.

But the large majority of Americans believe that their view -- traditional marriage or extension of marriage to same-sex couples -- is or would be good for individuals and good for society.

Backers of traditional marriage can cite hundreds of years of experience and tradition. Backers of same-sex marriage can cite the growing acceptance of gay individuals and couples in all parts of the country.

Those who oppose it fear it will weaken the institution of marriage. But so far I haven't seen evidence that extending marriage to the 3 or 4 percent who are gay has weakened the institution nearly as much as the much larger number of Americans who get divorced or have children without getting married at all.

This is an issue that divides Americans not just on partisan or religious but most conspicuously on generational lines. Young people, including many Republicans, heavily favor same-sex marriage. Elderly people, including many Democrats, heavily oppose it.

If opinion continues to move toward same-sex marriage, it will be a tough issue for Republicans, since most of their voters currently are opposed. But it will be a tough issue for some Democrats, as well, since many black voters are staunchly opposed.

But it's an issue we can handle better if we respect and acknowledge the good faith of those on the other side.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; US: Ohio
KEYWORDS: 113th; abominationtogod; barone; dickcheney; gaymarriage; homosexualagenda; lgbt; marriage; portman; robportman; samesexmarriage
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1 posted on 03/18/2013 6:24:44 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

So I guess it’s safe to assume that if Portman’s son was born with kleptomania he would decide that stealing was acceptable?


2 posted on 03/18/2013 6:26:29 AM PDT by Josa
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To: Kaslin

A prostitute will do anything for a dollar and a vote.


3 posted on 03/18/2013 6:27:12 AM PDT by Rappini (Veritas vos Liberabit)
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To: Kaslin
Homo "marriage" is now the number one issue in America. Jobs and the economy mean nothing without allowing men to marry other men.

sarc/ People in this country need to get a life.

4 posted on 03/18/2013 6:28:27 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Whatever happened to the land of the free, home of the brave?)
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To: Kaslin

>>>He wrote that on learning that one of his sons is gay he “wrestled with how to reconcile my Christian faith with my desire for Will to have the same opportunities to pursue happiness and fulfillment as his brother and sister.”>>>

I hope Will’s desire for happiness doesn’t include robbing a bank or Portman will claim he has the right. After all, we are ALL entitled to be happy.


5 posted on 03/18/2013 6:31:06 AM PDT by kitkat (STORM THE HEAVENS WITH PRAYERS FOR OUR COUNTRY)
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To: Josa
So I guess it’s safe to assume that if Portman’s son was born with kleptomania he would decide that stealing was acceptable?

The new moral standard is "whatever floats yer boat".
6 posted on 03/18/2013 6:32:06 AM PDT by Sopater (...where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. - 2 COR 3:17b)
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To: Kaslin

Just “un-friended” my fourth person on Facebook because of their support for Homo-Hitching.


7 posted on 03/18/2013 6:32:56 AM PDT by N. Theknow (Kennedys=Can't drive, can't ski, can't fly, can't skipper a boat, but they know what's best for you.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

You can say that again.


8 posted on 03/18/2013 6:33:01 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: Kaslin
"wrestled with how to reconcile my Christian faith with my desire for Will to have the same opportunities to pursue happiness and fulfillment as his brother and sister."

Portman is a dumb ass. His son had that opportunity but decided to follow another path. So now we have to change everything to accommodate his flaming son.

9 posted on 03/18/2013 6:33:34 AM PDT by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
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To: Kaslin
As I have said before;
Situational Morals, same as Situational Ethics. Unacceptable in my world but very common in the political arena.
10 posted on 03/18/2013 6:34:35 AM PDT by Tupelo (Old, Bald, Ugly, Fat and Broke in Arizona)
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To: Rappini

*rme*


11 posted on 03/18/2013 6:34:43 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Kaslin
he "wrestled with how to reconcile my Christian faith with my desire for Will to have the same opportunities to pursue happiness and fulfillment as his brother and sister

Nonsense. He didn't wrestle with squat! He hid this from the public during the campaign, got elected, and then crapped all over his constituency.

You can't wrestle with what the Bible says . . . it is quite clear . . . he should have suggested that his son get counseling with either church or secular advisers, and hoped that his son would get out of this dirty, filthy lifestyle that will probably do him in by the age of 39 or 41.

Portman is a liar and turncoat. Once again, Ohioans have a gun to their head to either elect the wishy-washy lying Republican or the alternative.

My God. When will this crap stop?

12 posted on 03/18/2013 6:37:32 AM PDT by laweeks
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To: Kaslin

To the degree America accepts something God calls an abomination, we’ll find a reciprocal degree of God’s rejection of us.

Strangers are devouring us while we watch.


13 posted on 03/18/2013 6:38:36 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: laweeks

Until the day comes that two men or two women can produce a child the way nature intended there is no such thing as sodomite “marriage”. Who in the hell would have ever thought this country’s politicians would stoop so low as to try and circumvent what marriage means. These lowlifes have let 2% (if that), control their lives and it’s pathetic and sickening. But, we must never forget that it all starts at the top and when the lying ass, self-promoting liar-in-chief, opens his dumb-ass mouth and says he believes in sodomite “marriage”, the immoral stooges in Washington follow suit. Elections have conseqences and turning this country into another Sodom and Gohorrah is the result.


14 posted on 03/18/2013 6:45:37 AM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: NKP_Vet
These lowlifes have let 2% (if that), control their lives and it’s pathetic and sickening.

It's more like 1-1/2%. But it's being shoved down our throats on TV, movies, music, ads, etc. And who's really surprised that our Kenyan-born, illegal alien resident of our White House endorses faggotry, when he himself has been involved in bathhouse sodomy in Chicago.

Portman has put a gun to our heads again with the old pitch, "Gee, if you don't vote for me, a wishy washy liar and turncoat, then you might get that Democrat over there. So you gotta' vote for me, ok?"

I am so fed up with the Boener, Portman, McCain, Dole, Graham, LaTourette filthy lying politicians destroying what's left of our party.

15 posted on 03/18/2013 7:00:02 AM PDT by laweeks
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To: Kaslin

What did people think when they watched politicians start saying that they are adopting a more libertarian view, or that to win voters conservatives must become more “libertarian”, what do they think “libertarian” means as a replacement for “conservative”?

You can’t just come into the republican party and say let’s be pro-homosexual because we are “liberal”, of course not, you have to use a new vocabulary, you have to convince people that the founding fathers created it as a right, that it is noble and enlightened to accept it, more intellectual and sophisticated.


16 posted on 03/18/2013 7:01:08 AM PDT by ansel12 (" I would not be in the United States Senate if it wasnÂ’t for Sarah Palin " Cruz said.)
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To: Josa

17 posted on 03/18/2013 7:02:50 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Kaslin

support for traditional marriage is where God draws the line


18 posted on 03/18/2013 7:02:54 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Kaslin

“And the 30 states with such constitutional amendments could repeal those amendments by popular vote.”

They range from MS with 86% in 2004 to SD and CA with 52% in 2006/2008. Some are are probably repealable now, the majority are probably at least 5-10 years away, some even longer.

“But so far I haven’t seen evidence that extending marriage to the 3 or 4 percent who are gay has weakened the institution nearly as much as the much larger number of Americans who get divorced or have children without getting married at all.”

The difference is that the issue of civil divorce and remarriage was never framed as a ‘civil right’, so those faiths that never bought into civil divorce and remarriage were not punished. Same thing with having children out of wedlock. ‘Gay marriage’ is being framed as a civil right, as a tool to punish those faiths who don’t let the state dictate the definition of marriage.

Freegards


19 posted on 03/18/2013 7:03:36 AM PDT by Ransomed
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To: laweeks

and besides his son Will’s depravity will only cause his life to be a blighted disaster


20 posted on 03/18/2013 7:03:57 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: laweeks

When Christians follow God’s formula for revival.

2Chronicals 7
Isaiah 1


21 posted on 03/18/2013 7:06:20 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: kitkat

Those two things really can’t be reconciled. Portman will have to abandon one or the other.


22 posted on 03/18/2013 7:07:28 AM PDT by tbpiper
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To: Ransomed

No Southern State WILL EVER VOTE IN SODOMITE “MARRIAGE”.


23 posted on 03/18/2013 7:09:38 AM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: yldstrk
and besides his son Will’s depravity will only cause his life to be a blighted disaster

Whatcha' gonna' do when you're surrounded with propaganda about how wonderful the sodomite's lifestyle is.

Even Disney has homosexual characters getting written into various children's shows. You have Billy Graham endorsing Hillary Clinton for presidency . . . a person known for her sexual weirdness . . . you have a sodomite living in our White House . . . you have all Christian anti-sodomites being portrayed constantly on TV shows as 3-toothed hillbillies or Bible thumpers . . . and laugh-tracks to show them as idiots . . . Oprah, Dr. Phil, you name it, unable to find the homosexual lifestyle particularly filthy, dirty, very unhealthy, and life shortening.

24 posted on 03/18/2013 7:11:41 AM PDT by laweeks
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To: laweeks
Add to that the images of men in ads, especially white males. I saw a Buffalo Wild Wings ad for “teams that didn't make the NCAA basketball tournament” and they show various white males not knowing how to dribble a basketball or shoot properly. In today's age, it is virtually impossible to show certain groups as a target. Imagine showing a hockey, volleyball or lacrosse ad in which a team of blacks “couldn't compete”? It would never be aired. Gays are cool, smart, gentlemanly and fashionable. Too many Americans are easily duped by these standards.
25 posted on 03/18/2013 7:17:27 AM PDT by ConservativeStatement (Obama is the "Disco Duck" president. A no-substance novelty that reached number one.)
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To: NKP_Vet

NC voted theirs in by 61% last year. That’s the same % CA voted in prop. 22 in the year 2000. So in 2012 NC basically tied the state of CA 12 years before. That trend doesn’t look too positive for me.

As far as a southern state never voting in ‘gay marriage’, no state anywhere would have done so 20 years ago. 20 years from now? 30 years from now? ‘Gay marriage’ wasn’t even an issue 30 years ago.

Freegards


26 posted on 03/18/2013 7:19:19 AM PDT by Ransomed
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Yeah it’s bizzare for young voters it seems to be their number one complaint about the Republican party. Doesn’t matter if Obama is one of the reasons they have to live at home burdened with 60k in student loans without a job....


27 posted on 03/18/2013 7:27:12 AM PDT by Blackirish (Forward Comrades!!!!!!!!!)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

The gay-controlled media sure wants people to think that it’s a number one issue.


28 posted on 03/18/2013 7:27:56 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Kaslin

“Those who oppose it fear it will weaken the institution of marriage. But so far I haven’t seen evidence that extending marriage to the 3 or 4 percent who are gay has weakened the institution nearly as much as the much larger number of Americans who get divorced or have children without getting married at all.”

Michael Barone says, “hey, marriage is trashed anyway, let’s do it in”.

This, after Bill Bennett, this morning, professing to be an educator opining on this with no research. Then professing an opinion that is the opposite of Catholic teaching, and professing to be a Catholic, vocally , this very morning. He is dangerous He professes opinions cloaked as fact.


29 posted on 03/18/2013 7:30:28 AM PDT by stanne
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To: Kaslin

And Bill Bennett and Barone, here, do NOT understand the consequences.

Do they have any idea what this is doing to the military chaplains?

It IS religious persecutions.

Bill Bennett is a liberal dangerously professing to be conservative. He’s entitled to his opinions and to voice them, but to profess to be conservative and, God forgive him, Catholic - on the air - and to voice an opinion that leads public opinion without studying anything about it.

Dangerous.


30 posted on 03/18/2013 7:34:12 AM PDT by stanne
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To: dragonblustar

wrestled with how to reconcile my Christian faith with my desire for Will to have the same opportunities to pursue happiness and fulfillment as his brother and sister.”
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Will doesn’t want the same opportunities as his brother and sister. Will wants to plug up his buddies retum with his tool and call it marriage.

It isn’t marriage, It’s sodomy, and if the Senator wants that for his son, he is as sick as his on.


31 posted on 03/18/2013 7:37:47 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: Kaslin

Opposition to it also crosses pastry lines.


32 posted on 03/18/2013 7:46:13 AM PDT by Pikachu_Dad (Impeach Sen Quinn)
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To: Pikachu_Dad

Party... Dang auto correct.


33 posted on 03/18/2013 7:47:57 AM PDT by Pikachu_Dad (Impeach Sen Quinn)
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To: Kaslin; Josa; Rappini; FlingWingFlyer
"But so far I haven't seen evidence that extending marriage to the 3 or 4 percent who are gay has weakened the institution [of marriage]..."

One of the downstream results of the deconstruction of marriage, sex and gender (and that´s what this is) is that it will become illegal to even favor, advocate for, or try to strengthen, real marriage.

Exaggerating? Not at all. They´ve already shut down Catholic Adoption Services in IL, MA, and CA because they wouldn´t place kids in homosexual domestic arrangements.

They´ve made it a crime (in CA) to counsel a minor towards normal psychosexual development, even if both the minor and his parents have requested help in supporting normal gender identity/sexual orientation.

They´re penalizing anyone offering wedding, marriage, or family-related goods or services --- friving them out of business business if they don´t cater to sexual deviancy.

Gender confusion in very young children is not even being recognized as a problem: it´s a desired feature, even a proud achievement of the new revolutionary gender system!

Who´s it going to hurt?

It´s getting harder and harder to find anyone it isn´t going to hurt.

Watch.

34 posted on 03/18/2013 7:48:59 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (The Holy Catholic Church: the more Catholic it is, the more holy it is.)
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To: Kaslin
He wrote that on learning that one of his sons is gay he "wrestled with how to reconcile my Christian faith with my desire for Will to have the same opportunities to pursue happiness and fulfillment as his brother and sister."

And does Portman think he has somehow 'reconciled' God's express warnings against homosexuality with his need to feel good about himself?

35 posted on 03/18/2013 7:53:57 AM PDT by Colonel_Flagg ("Don't be afraid to see what you see." -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: Kaslin

Young people, including many Republicans, heavily favor same-sex marriage. Elderly people, including many Democrats, heavily oppose it.

Proof that the young and dumb can be brain washed and not only on gay issues.


36 posted on 03/18/2013 8:09:05 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: Vaduz

Yes, progressive control of education, the MSM, and most internet mammoths pretty much guarantees anybody under 30 will feel that way.


37 posted on 03/18/2013 8:11:00 AM PDT by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: Vaduz

You got that right, and they think they know everything better then older people who are actually experience in life


38 posted on 03/18/2013 8:16:24 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Ransomed

I stand by my statement. No Bible Belt state will ever vote in queer “marriage”. The only reason this abnormal BS has won in any state is because billionare liberals from out of state pour in millions and millions of dollars to bribe lawmakers. That is exactly what happened in Washington State. And in Washington State you have uber liberal Bill Gates, who loves to give away his millions to support more baby killing, queer “marriage” or any other liberal cause you can think of.


39 posted on 03/18/2013 8:16:53 AM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: Kaslin

Indeed hire a teenager while thay still know everything.

And they think they do.


40 posted on 03/18/2013 8:20:49 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: nascarnation

Agree the two tools that work best for progressiveism are MSM and Hollywood.


41 posted on 03/18/2013 8:22:41 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: NKP_Vet

I remember when many on FR thought no state anywhere would ever lose a ‘gay marriage’ popular vote. I hope you are right. But if you look at the % the amendments passed by, where and when they passed and what regions, it doesn’t look too good, in my opinion.

“The only reason this abnormal BS has won in any state is because billionare liberals from out of state pour in millions and millions of dollars to bribe lawmakers.”

I think the biggest reason that so many accept impossibilities like ‘gay marriage’ is that many have been conditioned to think the state defines marriage. How does the state define marriage? It defines it by whatever judges, pols, or 51% of the voting public think it is at any one time. And that’s it. I think the average % the amendments passed was 67% or so, but that was a few years ago before the resent votes, it would be lower now.

Freegards


42 posted on 03/18/2013 8:32:51 AM PDT by Ransomed
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It's clear now that support for same-sex marriage crosses party lines. That's what one might expect, from polls that show a huge shift of opinion on this issue over the last two decades.

Well duh. We've had two decades of an unending onslaught of propaganda, not to mention outright bullying, until people are afraid to oppose it.

For whatever reason, the Powers That Be appear to have picked this issue a few decades ago and started pushing it (it certainly wasn't the "gays" themselves, since there aren't enough of them). Maybe this is one way to slow down our "surplus" population growth?

Rashi said that homosexual-filled non-Jewish societies were not destroyed by HaShem because at least they had the basic decency not to write out "marriage" licenses for such people. Looks like that deal's about to run out.

43 posted on 03/18/2013 8:39:06 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: NKP_Vet
Until the day comes that two men or two women can produce a child the way nature intended there is no such thing as sodomite “marriage”.

Nailed it!

44 posted on 03/18/2013 9:03:54 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell (Better the devil we can destroy than the Judas we must tolerate.)
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To: Kaslin

There is no organized response to this. The left framese this as liberty vs religious bigots. We shoudl be responding that gay marriage is intollerence against hte religious. It forces people to accept, celebrates, and subsidize behavior they don’t like. But that argument is never allowed in the media because the gay media won’t run it and the religious right is too dumb to try it.


45 posted on 03/18/2013 10:37:59 AM PDT by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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I really don't have any strong sentiments for or against homosexual marriage. The truth is, if the subject weren't shoved in my face 24x7 by the media, I simply wouldn't care either way.

Having said that, what I can't understand is why an issue that is only relevant to a tiny fraction of the population (2-3% of which is homosexual, and of these an even smaller fraction are remotely interested in "marriage") gets headlines and attention that you'd expect for the most pressing issues of the day.

Why is this getting more press than the budget debate, immigration reform, and other matters that are relevant to all of us rather than a noisy minority (and an equally noisy contingent who obsess over them)?

46 posted on 03/18/2013 10:51:43 AM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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To: N. Theknow
>> Just “un-friended” my fourth person on Facebook because of their support for Homo-Hitching. <<

I got unfriended by a "devout Catholic" on facebook for pointing out her support of homo "marriage" went against her faith. I guess the truth hurts. I don't see why liberal Catholics just don't become Episcopalians instead of demanding the church change it's views to suit them.

47 posted on 03/18/2013 12:01:44 PM PDT by BillyBoy ( Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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To: BillyBoy

“I don’t see why liberal Catholics just don’t become Episcopalians instead of demanding the church change it’s views to suit them” DITTO!

You should ask her why she wants to be a member of a faith that she does not agreed with? Thousands of Episcopalians have flocked to the Catholic Church because of the liberal views of the Episcopalians.


48 posted on 03/18/2013 12:10:30 PM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: Zionist Conspirator

I like your take. This was a God inspired union of man and woman that has been taken over and re-interpreted by the vulgar, secular state. Marriage apart from God becomes whatever secular elitist rulers want it to be. As far as I’m concerned marriage is dead. Let them marry their dogs, cats,and pet rabbits next. That’s all the value it has.


49 posted on 03/18/2013 12:12:55 PM PDT by Luke21
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To: NKP_Vet
>> You should ask her why she wants to be a member of a faith that she does not agreed with? <<

Tried to and got unfriended for it. The most I got out of her is "God is not a hypocrite"

50 posted on 03/18/2013 12:16:43 PM PDT by BillyBoy ( Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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