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The Other Drone Question: Is Obama Building A Federal Police Force?
American Thinker ^ | Mar. 18, 2013 | Tara Servatius

Posted on 03/18/2013 6:39:52 AM PDT by EXCH54FE

Less than two weeks ago, Sen. Rand Paul's demanded to know whether the president believed he had a right to kill an American citizen on American soil with a drone, finally getting an answer that had to be dragged out Attorney General Eric Holder. An equally important, but still unasked question is whether the president intends to build a federal, drone-based "public safety" force to police local communities.

Somebody had better ask the president about this quickly, because it appears that his administration intends to use drones to actively usurp what were once local police and sheriff's department functions.

Put it all together, and it sure looks like Obama is building the backbone for that national police force he wanted the first time he ran for office.

Worse yet, both Democrats and Republicans are now openly discussing a plan to put all the drones flown in America's skies, including those owned and operated by local police departments, under the ultimate supervision of the Department of Homeland Security and the Department of Justice, consolidating the country's surveillance and law enforcement powers under one powerful federal police jurisdiction.

According to, DHS is now experimenting with how its drones can be used in "first responder, law enforcement and border security scenarios."

The DHS's drones could also be used, reported, "to support emergency and non-emergency incidents nationwide" and to give the department "situational awareness" in public safety matters or disasters, including forest fires. The department also plans to use its drones, and their attached cameras to surveil and police sporting events, political events and large public gatherings.

The problem with DHS's plans is that many of the above functions used to be handled by local law enforcement without any help from the federal government.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
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To: MrB

actually about a year ago I saw a cop car in our county, not knowing what it was I drove besides it and low and behold there was a sign saying federal police.

Now someone tld me we’ve had them for years but it;s the first time I;ve ever seen them .
I drove behind them for a few miles hoping they would stop at a gas station etc but they neevr but if they had I was going to ask them what exactly was their job and why come here when we have our own police

41 posted on 03/18/2013 10:32:56 AM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: ryan71

Bush was an idiot for doing that as well as setting up the TSA and then not getting rid of AMTRAK.

OK he and Rove were idiots for a few other things too

42 posted on 03/18/2013 10:34:00 AM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: Travis McGee


43 posted on 03/18/2013 10:40:10 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker
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To: kabar
Good question. Why do the police need 30 round magazines? They are trained shooters who shouldn’t need that many rounds to take down a suspect, especially since they operate in teams.

Glad they didn't drone these innocent ladies.

44 posted on 03/18/2013 11:05:21 AM PDT by 444Flyer
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
And credit where credit is due. Though Obama and his bureaucracy are using it, these authoritarian police agencies were for the most part given broad and unconstitutional authorities under George W. Bush, who, while he was correct in taking the War on Terror to our foreign enemies, devoted just as many resources to creating a police state in the US, against its honest citizenry.

You are exactly right! Doofus, dumb-ass, dumber than dirt, GW Bush, laid the groundwork or passed the laws, enabling just about every abuse & atrocity being committed today by 0dumb0 & his fascist gubmint! So in addition to destroying the Repub party and giving us 0dumb0, GW Bush laid the groundwork for a totalitarian dictatorial federal gubmint!

Way to go, doofus, dumbass GW Bush! His legacy continues to live on!

45 posted on 03/18/2013 11:07:18 AM PDT by rcrngroup
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Is there a mustach in Mexico?

46 posted on 03/18/2013 11:08:07 AM PDT by sport
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Excellent post.

47 posted on 03/18/2013 11:28:52 AM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off.)
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To: Carry_Okie

Yes, but he did so for the wrong reasons, resulting in the worst depression (that probably would have happened anyway) until the Great Depression. He insured it would happen by issuing his infamous Specie Circular just before he left office.

What brought the problem in the first place was the success of the Erie canal. Paid for with state bonds, it was finished before schedule and under cost. The bondholders made a fortune.

This gave other states the idea to do the same, but all of their ideas were based on connecting the Ohio river to the Great Lakes. So they issued bonds before asking if it was a feasible project. It wasn’t.

Though the bonds were purchased with dollars, many of those indirectly backing them did so with privately issued currencies from local banks. Their accounts, purchased with dollars, were recorded in the bank’s currency.

Would Jackson have known or cared about this developing crisis? He might have known, but his impulse was to attack the wealth and the major banks, because he hated them as people. This even included his own Democrat vice president, who got blamed for it. He also deeply distrusted the Second Bank of the United States, because as was long suspected in the South, he saw in it the end of slavery.

The Specie Circular, however, in one fell swoop, wiped out thousands of local bankers, their families, and national prosperity by requiring currencies to all be backed by specie. And when the states discovered that they were going to get the brunt of the depression, they all renounced their bond debts.

Some even incorporated into their constitutions that the bond debts would never be repaid, in whole or in part.

48 posted on 03/18/2013 11:32:40 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at
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To: Travis McGee
...under the control of ground techs, while still watching an entire city. It’s all stored, so they can go back in time to any minute and see who was where doing what, in recorded video.

So the problem is not so much the drone itself, but (1) those who give the ground techs their orders and (2) the ground techs and analysts. Find out who they are, where they live and work, how they travel, where they can be found when off duty. They will be among the primary targets when the SHTF.

49 posted on 03/18/2013 11:36:03 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: 1rudeboy
Right, but the 2717 that everyone’s howling about did not go to DHS, they went to the Marines.

Disinfo cover story? I thought the Marines did their own procurement. Source?

50 posted on 03/18/2013 11:40:37 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: JimRed
Navistar Defense to Provide $880M in Upgrades for MRAP Vehicle Fleet

LISLE, Ill., Jan. 10, 2011/PRNewswire/ -- Navistar Defense, LLC received a $880 million delivery order today to upgrade 2,717 International® MaxxPro® Mine Resistant Ambush Protected (MRAP) vehicles. The order from the U.S. Marine Corps System Command calls for MaxxPro units to be upgraded with the company's rolling chassis solution. The award also includes engineering changes, supplies and services.

"As Defense budgets are being reduced, it is imperative that we continue to develop economical solutions that repurpose assets  while also working to ensure warfighters have access to emerging technologies and capabilities," said Archie Massicotte, president, Navistar Defense. "Our rolling chassis solution allows us to leverage our unique vehicle design and replace an older chassis with a new, highly mobile independent suspension chassis. During all this we keep the armored capsule intact while creating commonality through the entire MaxxPro fleet."

Under the delivery order, MaxxPro vehicles will be retrofitted with new rolling chassis. This enhancement further improves the vehicle's off-road capability with the addition of the DXM™ independent suspension, a MaxxForce® 9.3 engine, 570 amp alternator and driveline.

The company has fielded nearly 9,000 MaxxPro vehicles and continues to anticipate needed vehicle capabilities and enhancements for its entire fleet of 32,000 vehicles.

"As the operational tempo continues to impact the Army's truck fleet, we will continue to leverage our commercial infrastructure to sustain the fleet through maintenance, repair and rebuild activities," said Massicotte.

Work will begin at the company's West Point, Miss., assembly facility in January 2012 and is scheduled for completion in October 2013.

In addition to rolling chassis, Navistar is also considering new vehicle options. In October, the company unveiled its new International® Saratoga™ light tactical vehicle, which Navistar has been testing for the last year at its own expense.  

Navistar International Corporation (NYSE: NAV) is a holding company whose subsidiaries and affiliates produce International® brand commercial and military trucks, MaxxForce® brand diesel engines, IC Bus™ brand school and commercial buses, Monaco® RV brands of recreational vehicles, and Workhorse® brand chassis for motor homes and step vans. It also is a private-label designer and manufacturer of diesel engines for the pickup truck, van and SUV markets. The company also provides truck and diesel engine service parts. Another affiliate offers financing services. Additional information is available at 

SOURCE Navistar International Corp.

For further information: Elissa Koc, +1-331-332-2669, or Investors, Heather Kos, +1-331-332-2406, both of Navistar International Corp.,

51 posted on 03/18/2013 11:45:50 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

OK, source checks out. Thanks. Next question: who (presumably) on our side spread the disinfo that they were bound for the HSA?

52 posted on 03/18/2013 11:50:10 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: Travis McGee

The ammo manufacturers have government orders for billions of rounds of ammo, as well they have a market for billions of rounds of ammo in the civilian sector. Why does the civilian sector face empty store shelves if the government isn’t in a tyrannical state?

Government doesn’t require all that ammo all at once. Government requires enough in stock with backup for that which they use in current military actions. There is no reason civilian store shelves should be empty as the manufacturers traditionally were able to fulfill the military requirements as well the civilian demand before Bozo, and his Leftist cohorts became the “rulers” over we the people.

Tyranny is here, and tyranny is now. NOT a potential down the road, but NOW. Without access to ammo we are without viable defense no matter how many more of us there are than there are of them.

Meanwhile the Leftist machine continues to muddy the waters, creating chaos in the political party of the Conservative movement trying to force we of the Conservative perspective to form a third party, and drift off into oblivion, and irrelevance as they take over the GOP, as they did the Democrat Party with the willing help of the moderate self serving establishment crowd currently in charge of giving Obama, and the Left precisely what they want in exchange for the Cocktail parties, treasure, and notoriety the Left bestows upon them for their willing treachery.

Grammar/punctuation purists will have a field day with that rant, but that isn’t the point people. It’s here now, NOT tomorrow.

53 posted on 03/18/2013 11:52:53 AM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: JimRed
Some blog reported that the 2717 were headling to DHS (DHS does have some MRAP's). Same blog called them "tanks," which should have tipped people off.

Confirmation bias took over, and the rest is history. Every "news" item I saw souced back to the original blog report.

I didn't dig too deeply.

54 posted on 03/18/2013 11:59:55 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: manc
OK he and Rove were idiots for a few other things too

Ok, but he built the fence right, I remember he asked for the funding and Congress did fund it just before the election. </sarcasm>

55 posted on 03/18/2013 12:01:39 PM PDT by itsahoot (It is not so much that history repeats, but that human nature does not change.)
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While the intentions here might not be totalitarian, the ultimate outcome could be...

Not that the strong ethical types that run for office could ever be compromised or anything... /s

56 posted on 03/18/2013 12:21:02 PM PDT by GOPJ (DHS HAS secured: 1.6 BILLION bullets - 2.700 tanks and 35,000 drones use on American soil...)
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To: JDoutrider

mark to file

57 posted on 03/18/2013 12:34:33 PM PDT by JDoutrider
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To: bikerman

500 feet is a bit much for a shotgun. The neatest fix for such a flying eggbeater is a dummy rifle grenade towing a long, heavy weight, fishing line. My lightweight grenades are good for about 900 vertical feet. That’s enough to keep low flying geniuses honest and besides the rule is 500 feet minimum for manned craft. And I think it’s 400 feet max for unmanned aircraft. So if you’re concerned about low-flying drones make sure you have a rifle that can handle a 22 millimeter NATO standard rifle grenade. Practice grenades are available everywhere and light nylon cord is even easier.

58 posted on 03/18/2013 12:42:27 PM PDT by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
This gave other states the idea to do the same, but all of their ideas were based on connecting the Ohio river to the Great Lakes. So they issued bonds before asking if it was a feasible project. It wasn’t.

Eminent domain takings upon behalf of barge companies and railroads were Lincoln's stock and trade as an Illinois lawyer. It wrecked any future potential for a market in real estate options with which to build productive rights of way.

Thanks for the details.

59 posted on 03/18/2013 1:11:29 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (An economy is not a zero-sum game, but politics usually is.)
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To: rockinqsranch
Why does the civilian sector face empty store shelves if the government isn’t in a tyrannical state?

Ammunition manufactures have never seen demand like this before. Consider this February 1637 of the Tulip Mania.

60 posted on 03/18/2013 1:29:37 PM PDT by Sawdring
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