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The Other Drone Question: Is Obama Building A Federal Police Force?
American Thinker ^ | Mar. 18, 2013 | Tara Servatius

Posted on 03/18/2013 6:39:52 AM PDT by EXCH54FE

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To: JimRed
Navistar Defense to Provide $880M in Upgrades for MRAP Vehicle Fleet

LISLE, Ill., Jan. 10, 2011/PRNewswire/ -- Navistar Defense, LLC received a $880 million delivery order today to upgrade 2,717 International® MaxxPro® Mine Resistant Ambush Protected (MRAP) vehicles. The order from the U.S. Marine Corps System Command calls for MaxxPro units to be upgraded with the company's rolling chassis solution. The award also includes engineering changes, supplies and services.

"As Defense budgets are being reduced, it is imperative that we continue to develop economical solutions that repurpose assets  while also working to ensure warfighters have access to emerging technologies and capabilities," said Archie Massicotte, president, Navistar Defense. "Our rolling chassis solution allows us to leverage our unique vehicle design and replace an older chassis with a new, highly mobile independent suspension chassis. During all this we keep the armored capsule intact while creating commonality through the entire MaxxPro fleet."

Under the delivery order, MaxxPro vehicles will be retrofitted with new rolling chassis. This enhancement further improves the vehicle's off-road capability with the addition of the DXM™ independent suspension, a MaxxForce® 9.3 engine, 570 amp alternator and driveline.

The company has fielded nearly 9,000 MaxxPro vehicles and continues to anticipate needed vehicle capabilities and enhancements for its entire fleet of 32,000 vehicles.

"As the operational tempo continues to impact the Army's truck fleet, we will continue to leverage our commercial infrastructure to sustain the fleet through maintenance, repair and rebuild activities," said Massicotte.

Work will begin at the company's West Point, Miss., assembly facility in January 2012 and is scheduled for completion in October 2013.

In addition to rolling chassis, Navistar is also considering new vehicle options. In October, the company unveiled its new International® Saratoga™ light tactical vehicle, which Navistar has been testing for the last year at its own expense.  

Navistar International Corporation (NYSE: NAV) is a holding company whose subsidiaries and affiliates produce International® brand commercial and military trucks, MaxxForce® brand diesel engines, IC Bus™ brand school and commercial buses, Monaco® RV brands of recreational vehicles, and Workhorse® brand chassis for motor homes and step vans. It also is a private-label designer and manufacturer of diesel engines for the pickup truck, van and SUV markets. The company also provides truck and diesel engine service parts. Another affiliate offers financing services. Additional information is available at www.Navistar.com/newsroom. 

SOURCE Navistar International Corp.

For further information: Elissa Koc, +1-331-332-2669, or Investors, Heather Kos, +1-331-332-2406, both of Navistar International Corp., www.Navistar.com/newsroom


51 posted on 03/18/2013 11:45:50 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

OK, source checks out. Thanks. Next question: who (presumably) on our side spread the disinfo that they were bound for the HSA?


52 posted on 03/18/2013 11:50:10 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: Travis McGee

The ammo manufacturers have government orders for billions of rounds of ammo, as well they have a market for billions of rounds of ammo in the civilian sector. Why does the civilian sector face empty store shelves if the government isn’t in a tyrannical state?

Government doesn’t require all that ammo all at once. Government requires enough in stock with backup for that which they use in current military actions. There is no reason civilian store shelves should be empty as the manufacturers traditionally were able to fulfill the military requirements as well the civilian demand before Bozo, and his Leftist cohorts became the “rulers” over we the people.

Tyranny is here, and tyranny is now. NOT a potential down the road, but NOW. Without access to ammo we are without viable defense no matter how many more of us there are than there are of them.

Meanwhile the Leftist machine continues to muddy the waters, creating chaos in the political party of the Conservative movement trying to force we of the Conservative perspective to form a third party, and drift off into oblivion, and irrelevance as they take over the GOP, as they did the Democrat Party with the willing help of the moderate self serving establishment crowd currently in charge of giving Obama, and the Left precisely what they want in exchange for the Cocktail parties, treasure, and notoriety the Left bestows upon them for their willing treachery.

Grammar/punctuation purists will have a field day with that rant, but that isn’t the point people. It’s here now, NOT tomorrow.


53 posted on 03/18/2013 11:52:53 AM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: JimRed
Some blog reported that the 2717 were headling to DHS (DHS does have some MRAP's). Same blog called them "tanks," which should have tipped people off.

Confirmation bias took over, and the rest is history. Every "news" item I saw souced back to the original blog report.

I didn't dig too deeply.

54 posted on 03/18/2013 11:59:55 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: manc
OK he and Rove were idiots for a few other things too

Ok, but he built the fence right, I remember he asked for the funding and Congress did fund it just before the election. </sarcasm>

55 posted on 03/18/2013 12:01:39 PM PDT by itsahoot (It is not so much that history repeats, but that human nature does not change.)
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To: EXCH54FE
While the intentions here might not be totalitarian, the ultimate outcome could be...

Not that the strong ethical types that run for office could ever be compromised or anything... /s

56 posted on 03/18/2013 12:21:02 PM PDT by GOPJ (DHS HAS secured: 1.6 BILLION bullets - 2.700 tanks and 35,000 drones ...to use on American soil...)
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To: JDoutrider

mark to file


57 posted on 03/18/2013 12:34:33 PM PDT by JDoutrider
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To: bikerman

500 feet is a bit much for a shotgun. The neatest fix for such a flying eggbeater is a dummy rifle grenade towing a long, heavy weight, fishing line. My lightweight grenades are good for about 900 vertical feet. That’s enough to keep low flying geniuses honest and besides the rule is 500 feet minimum for manned craft. And I think it’s 400 feet max for unmanned aircraft. So if you’re concerned about low-flying drones make sure you have a rifle that can handle a 22 millimeter NATO standard rifle grenade. Practice grenades are available everywhere and light nylon cord is even easier.


58 posted on 03/18/2013 12:42:27 PM PDT by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
This gave other states the idea to do the same, but all of their ideas were based on connecting the Ohio river to the Great Lakes. So they issued bonds before asking if it was a feasible project. It wasn’t.

Eminent domain takings upon behalf of barge companies and railroads were Lincoln's stock and trade as an Illinois lawyer. It wrecked any future potential for a market in real estate options with which to build productive rights of way.

Thanks for the details.

59 posted on 03/18/2013 1:11:29 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (An economy is not a zero-sum game, but politics usually is.)
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To: rockinqsranch
Why does the civilian sector face empty store shelves if the government isn’t in a tyrannical state?

Ammunition manufactures have never seen demand like this before. Consider this February 1637 of the Tulip Mania.

60 posted on 03/18/2013 1:29:37 PM PDT by Sawdring
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To: EXCH54FE

>>>While the intentions here might not be totalitarian, the ultimate outcome could be...<<<<

A long time ago I took a class at college called “Authoritarian Regiemes.” Among the little nuggets of wisdom from that class was the idea that the modern totalitarian state operated by using the police to enforce its decrees instead of the military, since the military had a bad tendency to instill a sense of loyalty to the military itself and not the state.

In any case, the creation of a national police force goes as far back as Lenin, and as a matter of course there is no reason to create a national police force other than enforcing the will of the state.

God help us.


61 posted on 03/18/2013 1:38:47 PM PDT by redpoll
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To: EXCH54FE
[Art.] Put it all together, and it sure looks like Obama is building the backbone for that national police force he wanted the first time he ran for office.

This isn't the first place I've seen this, unfortunately, and people are starting to notice.

I think the most useful user-aid for any student of Obama's Regime is any history of the Third Reich, and its included analysis of what Hitler created, how the component parts worked, and what were his evident intentions for how they were to work, and what they might tell us about the real intentions behind some of the institutional monstrosities Obama is creating, without telling us what he is doing, as part of his recreation of East Germany here in America.

62 posted on 03/18/2013 1:56:31 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: EXCH54FE

What makes you think they might not be totalitarian?


63 posted on 03/18/2013 2:04:38 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
Though Obama and his bureaucracy are using it, these authoritarian police agencies were for the most part given broad and unconstitutional authorities under George W. Bush, who, while he was correct in taking the War on Terror to our foreign enemies, devoted just as many resources to creating a police state in the US, against its honest citizenry.

I'm convinced these measures were a put-up job sold to Bush under the stress of (his) trying to prevent a recurrence of a big terrorist strike in the U.S. .... by people with further agenda, who did not fully disclose their intentions for these new powers and assets. People like, oh, the Federal Reserve and their Wall Street playmates, like elite players at CFR and the Chamber, and so on and so on, and other people with a vested interest in helotizing the American People.

I was afraid at the time, fears fully realized now, that laws like the Patriot Act would prove very empowering to would-be despots like Obama and his gang.

64 posted on 03/18/2013 2:16:18 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
Yes, but he did so for the wrong reasons, resulting in the worst depression (that probably would have happened anyway) until the Great Depression. He insured it would happen by issuing his infamous Specie Circular just before he left office.

No, the bankers did it -- in retaliation -- by severely contracting credit, something Andrew Jackson had no power to permit, or to deny. They had the power of the purse over the economy, they knew it, and they used it. In pique at Jackson.

Though the bonds were purchased with dollars, many of those indirectly backing them did so with privately issued currencies from local banks. Their accounts, purchased with dollars, were recorded in the bank’s currency.

Which made every bank issuing such scrip a sort of mini-Fed (and Nicholas Biddle merely intended his bank to be a much bigger version of the same thing), with all the bankers, collectively, in effect taking over the supply of money in the economy just as the Fed has done since 1913, howbeit with less legal leverage and with narrower bases of supply.

They hadn't the authority to "coin" real money, but the use of scrip put them in the game anyway .... contrary to the letter and intent of the Constitution, that only lawful money be used for tender.

65 posted on 03/18/2013 2:28:22 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: Travis McGee
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66 posted on 03/18/2013 3:01:32 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: lentulusgracchus

I just cannot buy the old idea that “The Czar is a good man, but surrounded by unprincipled villains”, that the Russians used to explain why their beloved Czar imposed such cruelties on them.

W. Bush knew exactly what he was getting, and was all in favor of it. It didn’t take a “rocket surgeon” to figure out that warrantless searches will almost exclusively be used against non-terrorists.

If you asked the FBI at that time how many terrorists and potential terrorists were in the US, they would have given you a low number, likely in the low hundreds. Oppressing 330 million people to sniff out a few hundred bad ones cannot be explained as a good faith technique.


67 posted on 03/18/2013 3:01:46 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: Travis McGee

If it “Walks like a duck” I’d say yes.


68 posted on 03/18/2013 3:11:22 PM PDT by bayouranger (The 1st victim of islam is the person who practices the lie.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
It didn’t take a “rocket surgeon” to figure out that warrantless searches will almost exclusively be used against non-terrorists.

I disagree. The concern was almost entirely with another truck-bombing or airliner-hijacking escapade. That's what they were telling the MSM, anyway.

You think Shrub and Big Dick Cheney actually sat around scenarizing sending a SWAT unit, a la the Elian grab, to crash into some woman's house and kitchen and drag her away screaming into the night?

69 posted on 03/18/2013 3:55:56 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
Oppressing 330 million people to sniff out a few hundred bad ones cannot be explained as a good faith technique.

The team that made the 1993 World Trade Center attempt were a small group, maybe what, six, eight guys including the Blind Sheikh?

At the time, USG sources were telling media that the towers were in no way ever in danger from Sheikh Abdul's truck bomb. More recently, I saw a statement that if it hadn't been for the prime spot's having been occupied by parked federal agency vehicles, their plan might actually have worked, and dropped Trade 1 with 25,000 people in it in the middle of the afternoon. Doubtful that bringing down Trade 1 would have broken the foundations of Trade 2 and brought it down, too (after all, that didn't happen on 9/11), but if it had, that would have been more than 50,000 dead, including the workers in WTC 4, 5, and 6 and the Marriott Hotel adjacent (and the Marriott hadn't yet been structurally strengthened, which was something done after the bombing).

That's the kind of stuff they were thinking about, not Obama's giant gun-grab wet dream.

70 posted on 03/18/2013 4:02:08 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: rcrngroup

You are exactly right! Doofus, dumb-ass, dumber than dirt, GW Bush, laid the groundwork or passed the laws, enabling just about every abuse & atrocity being committed today by 0dumb0 & his fascist gubmint! So in addition to destroying the Repub party and giving us 0dumb0, GW Bush laid the groundwork for a totalitarian dictatorial federal gubmint!


Do you mean the mongoloid idiot that said about CFR that it was probably unconstitutional, but he’d sign it anyway and let the courts sort it out? That Bush?


71 posted on 03/18/2013 4:28:27 PM PDT by Peet (Notice: Due to the high price of ammo, there will be NO warning shots.)
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To: EXCH54FE

This is called “Federal mission creep” from fighting and protectin Americans from a “terrorist” attack to monitoring American at “ball parks.”

The reach into the private lives of Americans by this federal governmen should send a chill down the spine of every American, but, it won’t, some Americans will want even more regulation and control by this out of control government.

Sad state of affairs watching this once great Nation decend into a “police state” with the support of 1/3 of the American people. The coming civil war appears to be closer than ever before, since this federal government will NEVER surrender this power back to the American people and the never ending war on (place name here) will never be won, continuing to be used an an excuse for spending more and more of our hard earned tax dollars.

This is exactly why The American people cannot afford to “compromise” with these liberal socialist and must get this out of control government back under the limitations in our Constitution, this government will have to be forced back into the bottle, the federal government will never do it by its self.

Stay safe everyone, keep yourselves ready, it won’t be pretty when it comes, not “if” it comes, but, “when” it comes!


72 posted on 03/18/2013 4:54:52 PM PDT by PotatoChop (Respect is earned, not demanded by this out of control socialist government!)
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To: lentulusgracchus

Little of had to do with such snatch and grab. That already existed. What W. Bush did was authorized “front end” things like communications monitoring without warrant, compiling huge databases of personal information, GPS in cell phones, secret courts issuing warrants, etc. It is noteworthy that though the FISA court almost never turned down a warrant request, the intelligence community complained that even having to ask a judge was too bothersome.

(2008) “FBI headquarters officials sought to cover their informal and possibly illegal acquisition of phone records on thousands of Americans from 2003 to 2005 by issuing 11 improper, retroactive “blanket” administrative subpoenas in 2006 to three phone companies that are under contract to the FBI, according to an audit released Thursday.”

Then there was the infamous monitoring of books checked out and computers used in public libraries.

“Sneak and peek” search warrants, which let authorities search a home or business without immediately notifying the target of a probe.

“Under Bush, the attorney general’s guidelines governing FBI operations were overhauled, allowing investigative tactics from the infamous COINTELPRO era, such as infiltrating constitutionally protected ideological groups — on the basis of a secret legal standard that has never been disclosed. And even though the CIA is prohibited from operating within the United States, it has smeared critics and trained local law enforcement in counterproductive profiling techniques.”


73 posted on 03/18/2013 5:10:25 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: lentulusgracchus

If it is necessary to imprison 330 million people, because of six or a dozen terrorists, the terrorists do actually win.

The Bill of Rights exists, not because government granted it, or has any authority to reduce it, no matter how important they think a reason is for reducing it. The US fought in World War II while keeping its liberties, and when Nazi saboteurs landed in Florida, we captured then eventually hung them.

Face it, the FBI exists for domestic security, against enemies, foreign and domestic. You don’t need massive new agencies to do that. You don’t need to monitor all transportation and communications to do that. You do not need a police state to do that.


74 posted on 03/18/2013 5:18:00 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: EXCH54FE

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75 posted on 03/18/2013 6:04:30 PM PDT by Faith65 (Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior!)
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To: EXCH54FE; All

I have a simple recommendation...

Every time someone has to mention the US Attorney Generals name, we preface it with the term “IMPEACHED”...

I mean, IIRC he was impeached, right???

Why is he (the IMPEACHED Attorney General Eric Holder) still in that position of authority???


76 posted on 03/18/2013 7:23:39 PM PDT by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: Peet
Do you mean the mongoloid idiot that said about CFR that it was probably unconstitutional, but he’d sign it anyway and let the courts sort it out? That Bush?

That's the one! The same doofus, dumb-ass, dumber than dirt GW Bush, who in his first 4 years vetoed exactly..... ZERO bills sent to him from Congress. Even John E'ffn Kerry was astonished that GW Bush signed everything that came across his desk in the first 4 years, and mostly everything that came in the 2nd 4 years.

Another legacy....he allowed Ted Kennedy to write the trillion dollar prescription drug boondoggle that still did not fix the so-called "donut hole", was passed by both demoturds & repubs, and then hung like a millstone around doofus's neck. GW Bush... the dumb-ass, traitorous gift that keeps on giving!

77 posted on 03/18/2013 8:14:34 PM PDT by rcrngroup
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To: EXCH54FE

Big Brother Barack
Wants to give us all
A “Fair Shot.”

Could be a Silver Bullet?
Or an Obamadrone?
Or maybe a Breitbart drink - - - ?


78 posted on 03/18/2013 8:22:53 PM PDT by Graewoulf (Traitor John Roberts' Commune-Style Obama'care' violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: bikerman

Probably not. And that is probably the “why” behind the leftists banning or trying to ban certain weapons like sniper rifles and the AR-15. So angry Americans won’t be shooting down Obama’s spy drones.


79 posted on 03/18/2013 9:38:03 PM PDT by XenaLee (The only good commie is a dead commie.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
You do not need a police state to do that

Concur. Many of these security issues need to be revisited, de-PC-loused, and recast in the light of constitutionalism and federalism.

80 posted on 03/19/2013 12:33:04 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
“Under Bush, the attorney general’s guidelines governing FBI operations were overhauled, allowing investigative tactics from the infamous COINTELPRO era, such as infiltrating constitutionally protected ideological groups — on the basis of a secret legal standard that has never been disclosed. And even though the CIA is prohibited from operating within the United States, it has smeared critics and trained local law enforcement in counterproductive profiling techniques.”

Your source sounds awfully Lefty .... knocking COINTELPRO ... "constitutionally protected ideological groups" = ones being run by KGB Active Measures .... "on the basis of a secret legal standard that has never been disclosed": How about NSA decrypts of KGB intercepts, naming names and groups and outlining plans to grow an Obama in the ranks of the New Mobe and the SDS?

And profiling sounds pretty damned good to me, when applied to fanatical-to-the-death raggies bent on mass murder. How about you? In the Philippines in 1903, we shot people like that out of hand. It worked. You want to get all mooshy on them, and link up with Kunstler's crowd to strap on Shrub and Big Dick?

81 posted on 03/19/2013 12:48:57 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: lentulusgracchus

That was then, but how about those techniques applied to conservatives? Remember that after Timothy McVeigh in ‘95, the feds openly classified lots of conservative movements right alongside terrorist groups, and 9-11 did not change that one bit.

At no point did W. Bush tell them that conservatives were no threat to the US. So much of the Patriot Act is used today to spy on conservatives.


82 posted on 03/19/2013 3:53:34 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: EXCH54FE

Is Obama building? GW Bush started it. Department of Homeland Security sounded like “Stasi” when I first heard it.

The same guys who can’t protect our borders and missed the 9/11 attack get even more power and authority?


83 posted on 03/19/2013 5:43:54 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
Concur. Bush did very little to defend us, and could barely be inconvenienced to break with the Republican Unity Coalition (actually the predecessor of GOProud) to support DOMA.

He's from Midland and has a great Texas wife. I don't know what his problem is with conservatives. His ma and pa and Yale faculty must have done a hell of a job convincing him that we are all Spawn of Satan, Kluxers in street clothes. (George Sr. has always hated, just hated, conservative Democrats for that reason -- they're all trailer-trash Kluxers to him.)

Now the Left wants to herd us into extermination camps, and the GOP-E looks on all this with cold eyes and holds Sarah Palin in contempt, one of the best women in American public life today, because she has a regional accent and has shot and cleaned big animals with her husband, whose children she bore for richer or poorer.

84 posted on 03/21/2013 1:56:18 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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