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Elizabeth Warren: Hey, why isnít the minimum wage $22/hour?
Hotair ^ | 03/18/2013 | Erika Johnsen

Posted on 03/18/2013 10:28:05 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Oh, minimum wage — the simple- and friendly-sounding yet actually regressive and economy-damaging populist throwback that just refuses to die. President Obama once again resurrected the timelessly terrible idea in his State of the Union speech in February, and it’s been percolating among the Democrats as a potential 2014-oriented rallying cry for how those obstructionist Republicans must really, really hate poor people because there’s no other possible explanation for their opposition (except that, you know, minimum wage hikes are actually counterproductive to an inclusive and prospering economy, but let’s just rid ourselves of any lingering school-girl notions that facts are what matter here, shall we?).

Last week in a hearing of the Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions, Sen. Elizabeth Warren wondered, “If we started in 1960, and we said that, as productivity goes up — that is, as workers are producing more — then the minimum wage is going to go up the same. And, if that were the case, the minimum wage today would be about $22 an hour. So, my question, Mr. Dube, is what happened to the other $14.75?” National Review picked up on it:

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 Oof. Last month, HuffPo pointed out a 2012 ‘study’ that concluded pretty much the same thing:

President Obama’s call to increase the federal minimum wage to $9 an hour was one of the more significant proposals he laid out in his State of the Union address Tuesday night. But $9 an hour is still a far cry from what workers really deserve, a 2012 study finds.

The minimum wage should have reached $21.72 an hour in 2012 if it kept up with increases in worker productivity, according to a March study by the Center for Economic and Policy Research. While advancements in technology have increased the amount of goods and services that can be produced in a set amount of time, wages have remained relatively flat, the study points out. …

Between the end of World War II and the late 1960s, productivity and wages grew steadily. Since the minimum wage peaked in 1968, increases in productivity have outpaced the minimum wage growth.

I’m calling shenanigans. That is one wildly flawed premise, because the value of productivity is not a constant. As HuffPo’s writeup cedes, “advancements in technology have increased the amount of goods and services that can be produced in a set amount of time,” not to mention with fewer resources and at a lower cost — should in the increase in crop yield from a farmer using a donkey and plow versus a farmer using a tractor be directly proportional to an increase in those crops’ market worth because of some sort of imagined moral law about productivity and wages? No, because the market value of those crops has diminished as the ease of production has increased, and if that was the way the world worked, we’d all be paying a heck of a lot more for food right now.

Again, raising the minimum wage to some arbitrarily-determined level of ostensible just deserts is just another way of throwing market signals under the bus in exchange for more top-down control, which might benefit a few in the short run, but bogs down the entire economy in the long run. As Christina Romer, former head of President Obama’s Council of Economic Advisers, put it:

Raising the minimum wage, as President Obama proposed in his State of the Union address, tends to be more popular with the general public than with economists. …

First, what’s the argument for having a minimum wage at all? Many of my students assume that government protection is the only thing ensuring decent wages for most American workers. But basic economics shows that competition between employers for workers can be very effective at preventing businesses from misbehaving. If every other store in town is paying workers $9 an hour, one offering $8 will find it hard to hire anyone — perhaps not when unemployment is high, but certainly in normal times. Robust competition is a powerful force helping to ensure that workers are paid what they contribute to their employers’ bottom lines.



TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: 113th; bloggers; elizabethwarren; minimumwage; seenit

1 posted on 03/18/2013 10:28:05 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

..because a bag of Frito’s don’t cost $13.59 moron


2 posted on 03/18/2013 10:32:24 AM PDT by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: SeekAndFind

The Minimum Wage is used by Unions as a Benchmark. If the Minimum Wage was $22 and hour. All their jobs would be outsourced.


3 posted on 03/18/2013 10:32:46 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: massgopguy

Hey, why just $22/hour?

I say $32/hour for the minimum wage (So, want to one up me? I’ll just add ten to whatever you insist, and I got plenty of numbers !! ).

:)


4 posted on 03/18/2013 10:34:15 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
The minimum wage should have reached $21.72 an hour

To heck with a minimum wage - everybody should get $100K a year whether they work or not.

Why should I have to actually work? That's discriminatory!

5 posted on 03/18/2013 10:34:28 AM PDT by grobdriver (Vivere liberi aut mori)
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To: Doogle

RE: ..because a bag of Frito’s don’t cost $13.59 moron

I hasten to add that this is who teaches kids at Harvard University.

She was a Harvard Law School professor specializing in bankruptcy law.


6 posted on 03/18/2013 10:36:12 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Most integers are very large.

We have a ways to go.

Until we can’t afford the ink for all those zeros on the end.


7 posted on 03/18/2013 10:36:45 AM PDT by Scrambler Bob ( Concerning bo -- that refers to the president. If I capitalize it, I mean the dog.)
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To: grobdriver

RE: everybody should get $100K a year whether they work or not.

I say $110,000. Hey, I got plenty of numbers.


8 posted on 03/18/2013 10:37:04 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Could not help but notice how well prepped and rehearsed the Dr. was as he responded to the obviously well rehearsed softball questions from Chief Sitting Squaw.


9 posted on 03/18/2013 10:37:17 AM PDT by Michael.SF. (Obama lied, Stevens died.)
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To: SeekAndFind
A thousand dollars an hour would be better - then we can all me millionaires. I'm sure it'll work... /s
10 posted on 03/18/2013 10:39:12 AM PDT by GOPJ (DHS HAS secured: 1.6 BILLION bullets - 2.700 tanks and 35,000 drones ...to use on American soil...)
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To: SeekAndFind

pehaps she wants a free hand to create inflation.

She is looking for a Jimmy Carter ecconomy.


11 posted on 03/18/2013 10:40:03 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: SeekAndFind
"“If we started in 1960, and we said that, as productivity goes up — that is, as workers are producing more — then the minimum wage is going to go up the same. And, if that were the case, the minimum wage today would be about $22 an hour. So, my question, Mr. Dube, is what happened to the other $14.75?”"

Minimum wage workers aren't worth $22 an hour. They aren't worth $22 an hour because your party has been successful in converting the focus of the US public school system from education to political indoctrination.

12 posted on 03/18/2013 10:41:09 AM PDT by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: SeekAndFind

Why shouldn’t the minimum wage be a million zillion dollars per year? If we are being compassionate with somebody else’s money, why not set the minimum wage to a million zillion dollars per hour?

This is actually a good thought experiment. What is the true reason -— not just “because that’d be crazy” -— that a minimum wage of a million zillion dollars per hour is a poor idea?

How about a million dollars per hour?

How about a thousand dollars per hour?

How about a hundred?

How about ten? Seven?


13 posted on 03/18/2013 10:41:20 AM PDT by mbarker12474 (If thine enemy offend thee, give his childe a drum.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Let’s just make it $100 per hour. That’ll wipe out all private commercial activity, but what the hell... as Newsweek said, “We’re all socialists now.”


14 posted on 03/18/2013 10:42:19 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Gun control: Steady firm grip, target within sights, squeeze the trigger slowly...)
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15 posted on 03/18/2013 10:43:47 AM PDT by Resettozero
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To: SeekAndFind

If the minimum wage were $22, a happy meal would be $20. Last time the raised the minimum wage, the economy went into a tailspin. Not that the minimum wage was the primary cause, but it certainly contributed.


16 posted on 03/18/2013 10:46:25 AM PDT by meyer (When people fear the government, you have Tyranny)
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To: SeekAndFind

Why don’t we just put a million dollars in every ones bank account. Liz. The minimum wage is for hiring people who don’t know anything. As you advance your wages increase. But that is something that someone who advanced through playing the AFFIRMATIVE ACTION INDIAN CARD would not know.


17 posted on 03/18/2013 10:46:41 AM PDT by spawn44 (MOO)
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To: SeekAndFind

:: Robust competition is a powerful force helping to ensure that workers are paid what they contribute to their employers’ bottom lines. ::

Precisely the basis for a “minimum wage”; there should be no ^competition^ among workers, all are the same (AKA:mediocre!). There are no “hard workers”, “concientious workers” or even “lazy workers”. there are just “workers”.

Workers of the world, Unite!


18 posted on 03/18/2013 10:48:29 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (*Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alteration: The acronym explains the science.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Do a study on minimum wage workers. If they voted heavily for Obama, pass the increase. Do it this year, before the 2014 elections. I don’t feel the need to save people from their choices anymore.


19 posted on 03/18/2013 10:49:44 AM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: SeekAndFind

Because McDonald’s Haburgers would be $11 each you DUMBASS WOMAN!!!

Anyone who had her for a college ‘professor’ should demand a refund.


20 posted on 03/18/2013 10:50:21 AM PDT by Mr. K (There are lies, damned lies, statistics, and democrat talking points.)
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To: Doogle

Fritos, Cheetos and grape soda are about the same as a few years ago. And flat screen TVs are way down so your minimum wage goes further these days you can live like a king if you are working at McDonald’s. And you are when compared to the poor worldwide


21 posted on 03/18/2013 10:50:36 AM PDT by dennisw (too much of a good thing is a bad thing --- Joe Pine)
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To: Sooth2222
:: as productivity goes up — that is, as workers are producing more

:: I think I see a fundamental assumption flaw in this statement.

22 posted on 03/18/2013 10:51:01 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (*Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alteration: The acronym explains the science.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Spend four years working your *** off in college to earn $22/hour

...be an idiot and drop out of high school to earn $22/hour

Which will people choose? Huh Warren?


23 posted on 03/18/2013 10:53:38 AM PDT by Wanderer99
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To: SeekAndFind

This is part of Obama’s economic plan, and why he feels he does not need to cut spending. He has chosen inflation to devalue the value of the debts. Everything he does economically tries to spark inflation.


24 posted on 03/18/2013 10:59:09 AM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: Mr. K

Big macs will not cost $11, they will become unavailable. Customers will choose making peanut butter and jelly sandwiches over fast food, and the fast food industry will disappear.


25 posted on 03/18/2013 11:05:54 AM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: SeekAndFind; Revolting cat!; Slings and Arrows

I’m with you!

Legislate a $32/hour minimum wage then tax the hell out of it!

(it’s the argument used by some on drug legalization threads)

We should be able to pay off a $20,000,000,000,000 debt in our lifetimes! < /sarc >


26 posted on 03/18/2013 11:17:44 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel

“:: Robust competition is a powerful force helping to ensure that workers are paid what they contribute to their employers’ bottom lines. ::”

If this were TRULY the case, then she’d be arguing for an increase in the minimum wage abroad as well.

Degreed professions are having to compete with third world salaries in India where work is produced abroad and imported via the internet with no duty is paid.

Can’t outsource service industry jobs and SEIU knows it.


27 posted on 03/18/2013 11:26:42 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: SeekAndFind
I'm glad she is not an alumnus of my school. What a moron and embarrassment!
28 posted on 03/18/2013 11:29:21 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (It's not "GUN CONTROL"! It's "PEOPLE CONTROL"!)
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To: SeekAndFind
Consider this, there are 10’s of thousands of young American combat veterans that love this country. Their skills might come in very handy, some day. I think most things, maybe all things, happen for a reason.
29 posted on 03/18/2013 11:30:58 AM PDT by ryan71 (The republican party is dead to me. Dead. Don't bother trying to revive it.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Because the minimum wage is the benchmark hourly scale upon which Union wages are negotiated. 22 an hour from 7.25/hour would translate to over $110/hour for a us autoworker, for example. Even more for hourly truckers and.....voila.. incredible inflation of prices for goods.

Detroit UAW members who earn $75 an hour do not do work that could be done by unskilled workers. Minimum wage increases the earnings of union members who compete with low-skilled workers for jobs. The estimate is if the minimum wage rises 40 percent, unionized workers who earn between the minimum wage and twice the minimum wage could see their earnings rise between 20 and 40 percent.

A higher minimum wage increases the expense of hiring unskilled workers. This makes hiring skilled union members more attractive and could raise the earnings of union members who compete with minimum wage workers by 20-40 percent. Meanwhile, non-union, low-skilled workers’ earnings actually fall due to reduced working hours and fewer job opportunities. Raise the wage— fewer jobs, even at the mcdonalds.

Just remember...bankers and democrats..LOVE socialism because of the built in inflation, and the dems love it because taxes “have” to go up while the money to pay them has to go up. Meanwhile... all of the regular folks suffer in complete misery. Nice setup. This Warren fauxahontas is one stupid ahol biotch.


30 posted on 03/18/2013 11:31:11 AM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: grobdriver

You have defined the work scale for 50% of federal jobs— even the bait fish inspectors.. 100K a year...lol.


31 posted on 03/18/2013 11:32:45 AM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: SeekAndFind

Imagine someone making $21/hour for sweeping the floor or flipping a burger. Okay, well, the former already exists in government union jobs. Not sure about the latter.


32 posted on 03/18/2013 11:33:39 AM PDT by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: SeekAndFind

is that how much Liz pays her housekeeper?


33 posted on 03/18/2013 11:34:44 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: Scrambler Bob

LOL @ “most integers are very large” :-)


34 posted on 03/18/2013 11:34:58 AM PDT by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: SeekAndFind

We finally have someone to replace Biden as the dumbest person in the senate.


35 posted on 03/18/2013 11:38:28 AM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Why don’t we just make minimum wage a million dollars per hour so EVERYONE can be rich? Shoot, we’ll throw in some trillion dollar platinum coins to fix the debt too!


36 posted on 03/18/2013 2:41:46 PM PDT by Epsdude
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