Skip to comments.Natural Conservatives? Really?
Posted on 03/18/2013 12:32:39 PM PDT by AuntB
Ever heard the claim that Latinos are "natural conservatives"? The person repeating the conventional wisdom of the Beltway apparently hasn't examined the evidence.
That's why, for Republicans, to buy that canard spells disaster. The most recent evidence comes from a new Latino Decisions poll. It shows two-thirds of Latinos support "comprehensive immigration reform" that includes special immigration privileges for foreign-born gays and lesbians.
Of those Hispanic respondents who favored giving homosexual couples the same immigration rights as traditional couples, 92 percent view it as important (very or somewhat) to make the change part of any amnesty bill in Congress.
While the Christian community has taken a stand to preserve the institution of marriage, Latinos who report being Christians don't agree with the traditional biblical view on marriage. Some 71 percent of Catholic Latinos and 53 percent of Hispanics claiming to be "born-again Christians" support gay spousal amnesty and visas, according to the poll.
The foreign-born Latinos were even more supportive of this position 65 percent vs. 63 percent of native-born Hispanics.
Other surveys have found Latinos significantly more likely than the native-born to have single-mother households, use welfare, prefer bigger government that provides more services, and view free enterprise negatively. That doesn't sound exactly like a "movement conservative".
For liberal critics of amnesty and mass immigration this may not matter. But the Republican Party would wake up after an amnesty fling with open-borders special interests of all stripes to find they'd left them in the morning. The only thing to show for selling out their party's base is an even bigger Democratic electorate.
Latino Voters Poll: Same-Sex Couples Should Be Included In Immigration Reform
[snip]When asked whether same-sex partners should be allowed to petition for legal residency for a spouse, 64 percent of Latino voters said they would support such a policy, while 24 percent said they would oppose it. A strong majority -- 92 percent -- of those who support inclusion in immigration law said it was important that it be made part of reform.
Most Latinos who self-identified as Catholic or evangelical also supported provisions for same-sex couples. For Catholics, views were particularly pronounced when the survey asked about same-sex binational couples who were raising a U.S. citizen child. While 62 percent of Latino voters overall said it was "very important" that those children be able to keep both parents in the U.S., the ratio went up to 70 percent among Catholics.
Exit polling in November found that a majority of Latino voters -- 59 percent -- support state recognition of same-sex marriages, well above the 48 percent of voters overall who supported legalizing gay marriage in their state.
The Latino Decisions poll was conducted nationwide among 500 U.S. citizen Latinos who are registered to vote.
the myth that needs killed
That whole “natural conservative” is a liberal “media” myth.
I think we need to work harder at making American conservatives and leave the illegals to their own devices.
“That whole natural conservative is a liberal media myth.”
Yes, yes it is, and it’s sad how many over the years have used it right here on FR. This problem should have been solved and put to rest years ago!
Even more telling:
*Poll: Mexicans say Mexican-Americans Owe Loyalty to Mexico Over U.S.
Thu Oct 15 11:51:17 2009 ·
(CNSNews.com) - Nearly 70 percent of Mexicans surveyed said that Mexican-Americans including those born in the United States owe their primary loyalty to Mexico, not the U.S.
When you see “Latino or Hispanic” think MEXICAN! Mexicans ARE NOT AND HAVE NEVER BEEN “Conservative”! Mexicans are like GYPSIES.
The biggest secret conservatives are UNAWARE of is THIS!!..
Progressives gave people on the right wing the handle of “CONSERVATIVE”..
Non Leftists didn’t start calling themselves conservatives until the left did..
Progressives NEEDED a term to offset that “they” were “Progressive”..
Sooo they invented the term conservative which just means “SAME OLD, SAME OLD”..
AND........ the non left wing people “BOUGHT IT”..
The secret IS...... conservative still means “SAME OLD, SAME OLD”..
And it goes right over the heads of the republicans(conservatives)...
I tend to like the term “Stupid Party” it Soooo fits..
and leftists are no more progressive than any other Luddite..
RE-Gressive is what they are... republicans are so stupid.. Jeese..
If republicans had any sense they would invent terms for leftists.. creative ones.. funny ones..
And shout them from the house-tops.. reclaiming “the Language”.. maybe Limericks..
I am a natural conservative, never has been a liberal thought cross my mind, lifelong.
Oh, isn’t this special???
Oregon and Immigration
“Oregon is one of four official sanctuary states. Despite the documented presence of more than 50 Hispanic, Asian, and Eurasian gangs (most of which migrated there from southern California) involved in everything from drugs to sex trafficking to homicide, interestingly, there was not a single OCS arrest in the state over the period studied.”
- Jon Feere, CIS Legal Policy Analyst
And he didn’t even mention the destruction of millions of acres of public lands by the armed illegal alien drug cartels.
Oh and most of south and central America are bastions of conservatism and not socialist hell holes...
do i need a sarc tag on this one???
Another poll today...I think we knew this!
[snips]Latino voters said the naturalization process should begin immediately, while 25 percent said it should be delayed until the border was found to be secure.
WASHINGTON — Nearly two-thirds of Latino voters know someone who is undocumented, according to a poll released Monday by Latino Decisions, likely part of the reason the Latino population so strongly supports comprehensive immigration reform.
Latino voters are increasingly flexing their political muscle to push for new legislation, and have been more consistently pro-reform than the voting population overall. The gains by President Barack Obama over Mitt Romney in the 2012 election helped spark a renewed effort for bills in the House and Senate, and the Republican National Committee is expected to endorse comprehensive immigration reform on Monday.
The poll found that a larger proportion of Latino voters — 63 percent — personally know someone who is undocumented, versus the 53 percent who said the same in 2011. Just over half of them — 51 percent — knew a friend without legal status in the United States and 6 percent knew a family member, while 39 percent knew both, Latino Decisions found.
Polling took place nationwide in mid-February and was conducted with 800 Latino registered voters
I remember them well.
There's no satisfaction in being able to say we were right and they were wrong, and that their ignorance helped bring the country right to the edge. Where we are today.
Of course most didn't hang around to eat crow they should have.
“Of course most didn’t hang around to eat crow they should have. “
Oh, there are PLENTY of them left. Every conservative institution has been infiltrated.
And keeping vewy qwiet on this issue.
The RNC and CPAC, ACU believe that social conservatives will never leave the party no matter WHAT they do, as long as they pretend to be anti abortion! Prove them wrong!
RNC Supports Amnesty
March 18, 2013 By FAIR Gov’t Relations Team
Embracing the false notion perpetuated by the open-borders lobby that the Party will continue to lose elections until it pushes amnesty, the Republican National Committee (RNC) today told its members they must support comprehensive immigration reform. (See Growth and Opportunity Project at p. 8, Mar. 18, 2013)
The call to support an amnesty agenda appeared in a report released this morning entitled the Growth and Opportunity Project. Commissioned by RNC Chairman Reince Priebus in response to the Partys failure to win the White House or Senate in 2012, the reports authors include Henry Barbour, Sally Bradshaw, Ari Fleischer, Zori Fonalledas, and Glenn McCall. (Id. at p. 1)
If Republicans fail to embrace and champion comprehensive immigration reform, the report warns, our Partys appeal will continue to shrink to its core constituencies only. However, in making such a sweeping statement, the reports authors neglect to consider the number of Americans opposed to amnesty who may either leave the Party or simply refuse to vote for Republican candidates as a result of such an about-face by the Party establishment. (Id. at p. 8)
Despite the fact that granting a reprieve to the nations 11-12 million illegal aliens will increase job competition for the 22 million un/underemployed Americans, as well as the number of individuals who are eligible for public assistance and ObamaCare, the RNC also claims amnesty will help grow the economy. We also believe that comprehensive immigration reform is consistent with Republican economic policies that promote job growth and opportunity for all. (Id.)
In issuing the report, the RNC appears to be taking its marching orders on immigration policy from President Obama. In a closed-door meeting with Republican lawmakers at the White House last Wednesday, President Obama told them they would benefit more from passing amnesty legislation than the Democrats. (Associated Press, Mar. 13, 2013) Only five days later, the RNC appears to agree, calling on its members to support comprehensive immigration reform.
To express your views to the RNC, call 202-863-8500. You can also email them through the RNC Website.
“And keeping vewy qwiet on this issue. “
They don’t have to take the heat any longer. They have the RNC, CPAC and the ACU doing their bidding.
You are right. Karl Rove and the Bushes are full of caca. Mexicans want free stuff and they always want to raise other peoples taxes. That is their “Viva La Raza” culture. California’s prisons are full of Mexicans. They are not in prison for picking lettuce. Mexican boys join gangs and Mexican girls get pregnant out of wedlock and go on welfare. TAKE A LOOK AT CALIFORNIA.
They are more loyal to the country they risked death to escape from than this one, I think that says a lot
“You are right. Karl Rove and the Bushes are full of caca.”
Hannity just had Rove on again...he sure won’t cross ‘turdblossom’.
50 years of evidence regarding immigration law and voting behavior is conclusive. Proposed amnesty legislation will end the two-party system at the national level. The R party will no longer have a national majority in any legislative or executive realm. That is certain. Those who state the illegal immigrant is a natural conservative are in extreme conflict with the empirical evidence.
However, I need to be honest and state my support for immigration reform—I strongly support a new immigration policy that welcomes entrepreneurs, individuals with proven track records of accomplishment, and people who have a clear understanding and attraction to the principles of freedom and responsibility that have made the US the most awe-inspiring victory over oppression, poverty, and hopelessness the world has ever seen. To accommodate this new policy, we will have to accept that not all who want to join us fit in—we will have to say “no thanks” to those who embrace socialist beliefs. That’s my reform.
Let's start a new conservative party. We can call it almost anything.
The Big Lie that keeps on giving...
Can I get an "Amen!"?
After the vote on prop 8 in CA a survey showed that while most minorities voted democratic they voted for prop 8. I don’t think that makes them natural conservatives, just socially conservative on that particular issue (mostly because of their culture), and since they had the opportunity to vote on it seperately they did. In a package deal they would have voted democratic all the way.
Oh by the way. That poll at the top of the page?
Consider the source. It’s the Huffington Post, which is even more left-wing than The Nation. Roughly the same as Daily Kos, MoveOn.org, or Talking Points Memo. Count on them to spin-doctor the results in a way that makes left-wingers comfortable and makes conservatives believe that there is no hope. Also count on them to never question the source if it provides tasty fodder for their propaganda machine.
What do you know about the polling organization?
How the heck do you know the results would be different.
OTOH, if there's no outreach, there's never going to be a crossover.
Right now and for years the Latino community has been bombarded with leftist propaganda to the point where every truth is misrepresented.
My wife and I stopped at a Latino restaurant in LA a while back and she picked up one of the local Spanish ad/newspapers.
She was pointing out and say "What the hell is this?" in Spanish at articles stating that Obama had fixed everything from the economy to "ring around the collar." It was really disgusting, but this is common in the Latino papers, there didn't appear to be any conservative incursion via any written media source.
Then there's Univision which is MSNBC with hot women. There's absolutely an outreach required. We don't have it. No mojo there.
BUT NOT A COMPROMISE OF PRINCIPLE.
The Center is governed by a diverse board of directors that has included active and retired university professors, civil rights leaders, and former government officials.
University professors are almost exclusively socialist.
Civil rights leaders are exclusively socialist.
And the former government officials serving on the board of directors are from the socialist wing of the Democratic Party. What sort of poll do you think they'd commission, AuntB?
Have you ever heard of PUSH POLLING?
You're being fooled by the left-wing echo chamber, AuntB.
One left-wing source mirrors another left-wing source and they all pretend they're impartial. But they're in the business of making left-wing readers feel comfortable, and conservative readers believe that there is no hope.
Because in 2004, George W. Bush got 44% of the Latino vote.
Bwahahahahahahahahaha! Oh boy. Fourty-four percent! What an accomplishment. I know. They were still waiting for him to come through on his "new America". He didn't quite succeed but Obama and the dems will finish the job for Bush.
|We are now one of the largest Spanish-speaking nations in the world. We're a major source of Latin music, journalism and culture.
Just go to Miami, or San Antonio, Los Angeles, Chicago or West New York, New Jersey ... and close your eyes and listen. You could just as easily be in Santo Domingo or Santiago, or San Miguel de Allende.
For years our nation has debated this change -- some have praised it and others have resented it. By nominating me, my party has made a choice to welcome the new America.
Our future cannot be separated from the future of Latin America.
As I speak, we are celebrating the success of democracy in Mexico.
George Bush from a campaign speech in Miami, August 2000.
Here is an excerpt of a good critique of that speech:
In equating our intimate historic bonds to our mother country and to Canada with our ties to Mexico, W. shows a staggering ignorance of the civilizational facts of life. The reason we are so close to Britain and Canada is that we share with them a common historical culture, language, literature, and legal system, as well as similar standards of behavior, expectations of public officials, and so on. My Bush Epiphany By Lawrence Auster Bush was/is just as bad as the other Quislings in this country.
“in 2004, George W. Bush got 44% of the Latino vote”
Actually, that’s a media talking point that is false. It was debunked on VDARE.COM by Steve Sailer, but unfortunately VDARE is banned here on Free Republic. But go to vdare.com and get on Sailer’s archive and you can find that finding and many other interesting ones.
“This poll, which you rely on so heavily, was taken IN MEXICO.”
And Mexico is the number one source of today’s immigration.
So it’s quite relevant.
Oh, good grief! What is it you have a problem with in the survey? CIS didn’t take the poll! You must be schilling for Grover Norquist/CPAC! Death by association????
And YOU are a lawyer??? You don’t even want to go there. People like you are the problem, not CIS.
I’m aware what news venue had the article..yes, they suck. Doesn’t change it.
Why don’t you just come out and say you’re for the damn amnesty instead of trying to emotionally insult me??
Don’t waste any more of my time.
There are many Caribbean Latinos here in New England and they have long had a high number of out of wedlock births and teen births. Not exactly what we think of as family values.
And those two Baptist leaders Richard Land and Pat Robertson have signed on to amnesty.
“And I pointed it out for you twice. On two separate threads.
If a poll is taken among persons of Mexican heritage living IN THE UNITED STATES, the results would be very different.
Try to remember next time. I realize you’re getting old, but the Alzheimer’s hasn’t taken over yet, has it?”
You really are a piece of work. And an ignorant one at that...all you’ve got is insults. You could work for Obama.
You go ahead posting post after post of insults...maybe you can convince the brain dead. I won’t read anything you post again! People like you are the reason we are getting stuck with Amnesty and why the GOP is a piece of crap.
I wonder if his Latina sister in law and half-Latino niece and nephew helped get out the vote. Of course the Bushes want the Latino vote since the half-Latino nephew is waiting his turn in line after his father Jeb. It is all about the dynasty, don’t you know.
I need to know if immigration threads are going to go the way they have in the past with anyone trying to educate about this being dragged through the mud with insults, lies and attacks by some who consider themselves ‘FR insiders’ like ‘BRYAN’ on this thread. If so, please tell me now, so I don’t waste any more of your or my time. If your rule ‘please remember to use common courtesy when posting and refrain from posting personal attacks’ is not going to be enforced, fine, just say so.
Bryan sent several insulting replies to me and I have NEVER posted to him, so don’t blame me for starting it this time!
According to Dick Morris the percent of the latino vote going to Bush was closer to 35%. Which isn’t a great deal better than before and since.
Yes, in GWB first term when the economy appeared to be improving and Hispanics were buying those first houses and Iraq looking like an easy win and Bush was running deficits handing out free candy, they were able to nale down some Hispanic votes in 2004.
But those days are over because those things were not sustainable.
With the bad economy Obama did the best he could to dangle freebees in front of them, while the GOP did the best they could to convince them that only the rich matter to them,
If the GOP is going to court their vote then they need to be honest about what that means, and its not pretty.
“Mexicans ARE NOT AND HAVE NEVER BEEN Conservative! Mexicans are like GYPSIES.”
DING! DING! DING! We have a winner!
About half of what you said is accurate, sickoflibs. The rest shows signs of spin. The closer you got to the end of your post, the more accurate you became. AuntB is hooked on presenting a Mexican poll and pretending it’s a poll of Latino-Americans. I think your spin is unintentional and you’re just repeating what you’ve been told. Hers is deliberate.
I know a lot of Latinos. The ones who are here legally. The ones who were born here. The ones who can vote legally. You know, there are Latino families in the Rio Grande Valley in Texas and New Mexico who have been living here for 200-300 years.
AuntB claims that she’s “educating” us. Here’s some real education.
The illegals cause a lot of problems for Latinos who are here legally. To a very large extent, the illegals are predators and the legal Latinos are their favorite prey.
Think about it. If you’re here illegally from Mexico, with brown skin, and you speak about seven or eight words of English with a heavy accent (if you can speak any at all), whose identity are you most likely to steal: Mike Murphy, Vladimir Volkov, or Tony Gonzalez? Obviously you’re going to steal the identity of Tony Gonzalez. Because you can convince a potential employer, a potential landlord, and even the cops that you really are Antonio Gonzalez.
Illegal Latinos drive up the cost of renting an apartment or buying a used car for legal Latinos, because they stay in the Latino community. And they drive down wages for legal Latinos for the same reason.
If they’re dealing drugs, they’re dealing to the sons and daughters of legal Latinos. If they’re stalking young girls, their most likely victims are the daughters of legal Latinos. Because those victims are the ones they see every day.
Yes, some legal Latinos have family members who are illegal or still living in Mexico, and they want to reunite their families here where the money is. Where the good life is. Who can blame them?
But the ones who have their entire families here are very much opposed to amnesty. And if we can just get the illegal Latinos out of the country, and prevent them from voting illegally, you will all see a substantial change in the way the rest of them vote, and respond to polls.
If we turn our backs on legal Latinos, and drive them away with harsh, racist rhetoric, we are finished as a political party.
On the other hand your attack on her was unprovoked and out of line.
The obvious point of the thread was to refute the canard thrown around by certain open border types as a justification for loosening conservative attitudes towards the illegal population. Polls consistently show it is not true, and while it may be harsh theres nothing racist about calling an untruth what it is.
most immigrants vote democrat...legal too
even Cubans now
white immigrants tend to vote GOP but all else doe not...some claim Sikhs vote GOP and maybe older Viets and older Cubans but now
as a majority THEY ALL vote for identity preference\
and being personal with AuntB ain;t gonna fix anything
the only thing that will is just temporary political victories
a conservative candidate might get out more white conservatives to vote
but we will never know since we can't seem to nominate one with folks who think like you are talking here running FOX, the GOP and National Review and Wall Street Journal and Wash Times and most importantly state primaries etc
latinos have not as a rule assimilated to our ways...their crime, unemployment and illegitimacy rates are only slightly below tropical Africans...native or immigrant
Orientals...I hate that non specific term Asian..who knows why...like Jews most are well off and enjoying the “dream” but they buy into the victimhood culture and I guess view America and the West as one long transgression of white Christian excess that has only held folks different down rather than been the purveyor of civilizing and liberty bearing forces
I got news for you Bryan
comes down to it...this won't be settled with votes
at some point the race...yes I'm saying it...the race or culture if that sounds better that pretty much conquered the world is going to wake up and fight back and folks of color and non Christian who believe in the same things will join us...there are a few
and those who don't can join Blue State whites and non whites and we'll see how it goes
I do not think the heritage I came from will surrender all with just a whimper...i sure hope not and I am training mine to resist
You’re speaking a lot of truth.
Democratic Party operatives are speaking to Latinos constantly in Spanish: in Spanish language newspapers and magazines, on Spanish language TV and talk radio, and on the Internet. They’re lying. They’re constantly telling the Latino community that Obama is a miracle worker, that he fixed the economy, that he’s kind and just and wise, and that all Republicans are racists.
And from us? Nothing. We’re letting them get away with it.