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DOD to begin sending furlough notices Thursday
Politico ^ | 18 Mar 13 | STEPHANIE GASKELL

Posted on 03/18/2013 5:06:15 PM PDT by SkyPilot

Defense Department employees can expect furlough notices as soon as Thursday and then will have a seven-day window in which to appeal their place on the furlough rolls, the Pentagon said Monday.

Acting in response to the across-the-board budget restrictions imposed by March 1’s sequestration, the department must send its first notices, telling workers that they could be furloughed, from March 21 to 25; employees will have from March 28 to April 1 to appeal whether they should be furloughed; and the first official furlough notices will go out March 29, according to an announcement.

The first furlough will begin April 25, and then furloughs will extend over 11 pay periods from April 21 to Sept. 21. The Pentagon said those dates were “subject to change,” but they correspond with what top leaders have said before about how quickly they’d need to furlough many of the department’s roughly 800,000 civilian employees.

Uniformed service members are exempt from the furloughs, but defense leaders have warned Congress that they expect even active-duty units to experience some problems from sequestration given the close connections of the military and civilian parts of the department. Africa Command, for example, which is overseeing the U.S. forces assisting the French campaign against extremists in Mali, must furlough about 800 of its approximately 2,000 workers.

Defense officials have said they hope Congress would forestall the need for furloughs by undoing sequestration, but Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman Carl Levin said in a speech on Monday that he thought it would stay in effect at least for the rest of the fiscal year.

"We're not going to be able to avoid" sequestration this fiscal year, Levin said...

(Excerpt) Read more at politico.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: dod; furlough; military; sequestration

1 posted on 03/18/2013 5:06:15 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot

FAA sent some out already. Why now shut down IRS?


2 posted on 03/18/2013 5:09:08 PM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: SkyPilot

Fine.


3 posted on 03/18/2013 5:10:04 PM PDT by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: mountainlion
"Why now shut down IRS?"

Because if anybody needs to be shut down, its them. Unfortunately I haven't heard anything about the IRS getting cut.

4 posted on 03/18/2013 5:11:35 PM PDT by Wyrd bi ful ard (Gone Galt, 11/07/12)
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To: SkyPilot

When will they be sending them out to the Dept. Of Homeland “Security”, the EPA, the Dept. of “Education”, the TSA, OSHA, the Dept. of Labor, the EPA, the IRS, the EPA, the Dept. of Health and Human Services, the EPA and the EPA?


5 posted on 03/18/2013 5:12:42 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Whatever happened to the land of the free, home of the brave?)
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Entitlements (63% of all Federal spending) are exempt from Sequestration.

But the military (at 18% of the budget) must take 50% of all Sequestration cuts.

TRICARE will not have enough money for active duty and veteran care and will stop some payments to providers.

Tuition assistance for our active duty eliminated. Civilian DoD employees in all areas (maintenance, healthcare, operations, intelligence) furloughed and taking a 20% pay cut.

DoD teachers furloughed.

Family support programs for dependents of deployed members have funding slashed.

Operations and Maintenance accounts for all services reduced by up to 50%.

Meanwhile.....

Fifteen Percent of Americans Use Food Stamps

America is quickly decaying into one giant Welfare hell hole.

6 posted on 03/18/2013 5:13:53 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot

“800,000 civilian employees”

Let’s see......roughly 20,000 Soldiers in a Division......what’s that, 40 Divisions? I’ll bet they vote Democrat.


7 posted on 03/18/2013 5:16:28 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

Unfortunately I haven’t heard anything about the IRS getting cut.

Just a pleasant daydream.


8 posted on 03/18/2013 5:19:50 PM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: SkyPilot

Why any furloughs if they are receiving more this year than last?


9 posted on 03/18/2013 5:26:22 PM PDT by animal172 (I remember what we use to be.)
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To: animal172
The DoD is not receieving more money than last year.

People who really believe that are listening to Hannity too much.

Read this. Please.

In sequestration, president and Congress undermining military

The Continuing Resolution has frozen spending levels at a rate of nearly 2 years ago. On top of that, the military is reeling from a $487 Billion cut (over ten years) that began in 2011. Then there is Sequestration on top of that, cutting the military by 13% this year. Because military pay is exempt and much of the procurement dollars cannot be touched 1/2 way into the fiscal year, Operations and Maintenance dollars are cut beyond flesh and into the bone.

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"A huge blow to military funding was dealt by the Budget Control Act, the result of the 2011 debt ceiling negotiations. These negotiations cut $1 trillion from discretionary spending over a decade, nearly $500 billion of which came from the military. The military is still addressing this financial loss, with most of the cuts still ahead. The next funding trauma comes from the failure of Congress to approve the 2013 budget. Instead, Congress has pegged funding at 2012 levels through a device known as a “continuing resolution.” This creates circumstances in which the military cannot move funds between accounts without congressional approval, so the money from a program the military decides to eliminate in 2013 cannot be used to fund a new program. The final challenge thrown at the military is the sequester, which requires another $500 billion cut in this decade. Because the military must make so many cuts so quickly, and with little latitude on where to make cuts, training and readiness will be decimated. Those who support sequestration emphasize that the amount being cut is only about 2.4 percent of the federal budget. That is only part of the story. So much of the budget has been protected from cuts that the military must absorb a cut of about 9 percent – and they must do it in six months!

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Entitlements are destroying the nation.


10 posted on 03/18/2013 5:45:58 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: animal172
Mostly because the bean counters want to cause a lot of pain.

Cuts can be made in a smart way, or a dumb way. They've chosen dumb.

11 posted on 03/18/2013 5:46:13 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The ballot box is a sham. Nothing will change until after the war.)
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To: SkyPilot

My most recent source report (E ring, ground floor) says there’s not a peep about a new continuing resolution authority. 27 Mar may in fact be The Day.


12 posted on 03/18/2013 5:59:22 PM PDT by jagusafr (the American Trinity (Liberty, In G0D We Trust, E Pluribus Unum))
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To: animal172

Because half of the cuts were absorbed by the defense department and not spread across the entire federal budget


13 posted on 03/18/2013 6:01:17 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: SkyPilot

Many military budget problems are self inflicted. For example wasting money on “Climate Change” research, “bio -fuels” boondoggling, celebrating Black History Month, etc.

Remember DOD employees are also government employees!


14 posted on 03/18/2013 7:09:38 PM PDT by texican01
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To: SkyPilot
Post all the charts you want. My customer doesn't have a dime for my services starting April 1st. The zero budget will persist through July 1st at a minimum. Not a furlough. Fully dumped on the street with no contracts to cover my salary. I'm not a "government worker". I work for a private DoD contractor. We have already lost 3 staff members that were very expensive to recruit. It took a year to get them a TS clearance and most of a year to bring them up to speed. They now work elsewhere. Dropping a 3 month funding gap to your employees means they leave and won't be coming back. The investment in clearances and training is lost. The 3 we lost will be followed by the rest of the staff.
15 posted on 03/18/2013 7:26:31 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: SkyPilot

This is a bunch of b.s. If we are going to do this, do it across the board, everything should be cut, not primarily, the one thing the Federal Government is supposed to be doing, defending our country.


16 posted on 03/18/2013 7:34:13 PM PDT by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: xzins

bingo

now, what will obama handlers and democrats do next year? more of the same?? Focus spending “cuts” on the DoD - which they HATE - while Homeland Security/TSA ends up with more bullets than the US military?


17 posted on 03/19/2013 1:01:34 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: Myrddin

Sorry for your personaasituation- I think there will be many silent victims like you, especially in this region

helluva thing for our vets, with all the skills they have gained at such great cost, to come home to - part time work at WalMart


18 posted on 03/19/2013 1:04:46 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: silverleaf
helluva thing for our vets, with all the skills they have gained at such great cost, to come home to - part time work at WalMart

It is. I veteran of Afghanistan and Iraq that I know was hired to by the DoD last year. This guy is incredible. He has 3 small children. He has been forced to apply to a job working in a store in a strip mall, hoping to pick up some part time hours on the weekends and during his furlough day off to make ends meet.

The incredible thing is he keeps going - he is finding work. No job is too "demeaning" to him.

We have rewarded the takers, and we punish the noble.

Both Congress and the President share this shame. Sequestration never had a chance of "being stopped." Both sides wanted it. Obama's last minute offensive was for show - he was never willing to cut give away programs in exchange for cuts that eviscerated the military. Congress (especially our Republican masters) are Judas Iscariot. They have abandoned the military.

Congress wants to "hold hearings" as to why Tuition Assistance has been cut. Hold hearings?! THEY are forcing cuts on the military that are resulting in a 30-50% immediate cut to Operations and Maintenance funding, in the middle of a fiscal year! Congress will not even acknowledge their cowardice in this matter.

America will pay an awful price for this. Mark my words. When the next attack comes (and it will), our nation will have a rotted front door.

19 posted on 03/19/2013 3:33:15 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: 3Fingas
This is a bunch of b.s. If we are going to do this, do it across the board, everything should be cut, not primarily, the one thing the Federal Government is supposed to be doing, defending our country.

America is under a curse.

Our President.

Our Speaker of the House.

Our "brilliant" House Budget Chairman.

They have all betrayed our military.

20 posted on 03/19/2013 3:37:51 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: Myrddin

I am so sorry as to what is happening to you. Prayers to you.


21 posted on 03/19/2013 3:38:30 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot

“Make it hurt”...well, do it to those who you hate first.

Not long ago, and for a two year period, our county was in a bit of a financial crisis and needed to save some funding. We initiated furlough days as a way to recoup some of the needed funding. There was NO interruption to public services. Prior to enacting the furlough days, we met with all employees (unions and nonunion) and carefully explained what and why we needed the furloughs. The process worked out very well for BOTH sides and today the country AND the employees are better off. It does/can work if everyone pulls TOGETHER.


22 posted on 03/19/2013 4:47:03 AM PDT by DaveA37
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To: texican01; blueunicorn6; elkfersupper

texican01Remember DOD employees are also government employees!

I would pay money to see you stand in front of the family members of the DoD civilians murdered and the hundreds wounded, burned, and maimed on 911 in the Pentagon attack and mock them.

Moreover, 45% of the DoD employees who getting furloughed are Veterans, and thousands of those are combat veterans from Afghanistan and Iraq who are disabled.

Further, 85% of these jobs are located outside of Washington DC - performing noble functions that are vital to our military.

Many federal workers facing furloughs are veterans

Free Republic is going down hill these days. We used to have primarily Conservatives and patriots here. These days, we have our share of malcontents and rock throwers.

It is tangible evidence signaling the overall rapid decay of our nation.

23 posted on 03/19/2013 5:35:47 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot

What a phony argument. Nice try at playing on emotions. 800,000 civilian Department of Defense employees is still the equivalent of 40 Divisions of Soldiers. When I signed up, I didn’t see anything about DOD being responsible for providing me with a job for life. The United States military exists to prevent, fight and win our wars. It’s not an employment agency. That said, I think the DOD civilians should be about the last people cut from Federal employment. How do the DOD civilians vote? Do the majority of them vote Democrat or Republican? I was a DOD civilian employee at one time. My experience was that most of them vote Democrat. Democrats don’t like the military. I can understand people voting in their self-interest, but the DOD civilian employees don’t seem to follow that.


24 posted on 03/19/2013 6:30:21 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: mountainlion

How about bringing back US jobs?

That is the problem, which nobody talks about.

We are going broke, while we are sending US jobs to China.

Let me repeat that: We are going broke, while we are sending US jobs to China.

China. With 4 times America’s population, just became the world’s largest exporter. Yet all our manufacturing there is done as a minority.

We have sold our industry.

Our industry has been SOLD. America needs to turn around, bring back industry now, and rebuild.

Now.


25 posted on 03/19/2013 6:36:19 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: silverleaf

Since Afghanistan is finished next year that should cover every dime. Besides, if they can give a 10 year cost by multiplying 1 year by 10, then they can give a 10 year cut by multiplying 1 year by 10


26 posted on 03/19/2013 6:37:47 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: blueunicorn6
What a phony argument.

There is nothing "phony" about those numbers.

45% of all DoD civilians are veterans.

The military is 18% of the budget, yet it must take 50% of the Sequestration cuts.

63% of all Federal spending is on Entitlements (TANF, Medicaid, Food Stamps, etc), and those are exempt from Sequestration.

The military has already been cut by $487 Billion (over ten years) starting 2 years ago, and on top of the Continuing Resolution, both Congress and the President are "piling on" the military (which is a Constitutional agency).

The United States military exists to prevent, fight and win our wars. It’s not an employment agency.

I have news for you - we won WW II by both fighting and employing people. We spent 39% of GDP during WW II to develop and manufacture weapons, employ doctors and nurses, technicians, maintenance professionals, logisticians, and on and on. This is how you win wars, and how you build a strong military.

I was a DOD civilian employee at one time. My experience was that most of them vote Democrat.

Even if I were to believe your anecdotal "evidence" - for every Democrat you cite I can cite a Republican. But even that does not seem to matter anymore, because the Republican leadership has chosen to betray the US military in the same vein that the Democrats have chosen.

27 posted on 03/19/2013 6:41:51 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot

Tell your fellow DOD employees to vote Republican. The people who vote Democrat almost unanimously think that the Democrat party will take care of them. The hard truth is that there’s only so much sugar for them to hand out. The sugar bowl is getting empty. I’m not a big Republican, but it seems like they understand that the sugar bowl has to be filled once in awhile. The Democrats just empty the bowl and blame the Republicans. And if you think civilians won WWII, then go to the American graveyards in Europe and see how many civilians are buried there.


28 posted on 03/19/2013 10:29:29 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: blueunicorn6
ME:"I have news for you - we won WW II by both fighting and employing people."

YOU: "And if you think civilians won WWII, then go to the American graveyards in Europe and see how many civilians are buried there."

I wonder why people on FR lately cannot deal with facts, but make feeble attempts at their own versions of false reality in order to try twist things.

29 posted on 03/19/2013 5:32:56 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot

Really? Employing people? Painting murals? You can’t even make your own argument. You’re trying to say that America produced a lot of weapons. Yep, they sure did. Private companies. Not federal civilian employees. I’ll start to feel sorry for DOD civilian employees when I see them voting 98% Republican. Until then, while you are probably a great American, too many of your fellow DOD civilian employees vote for the party that caused their problems.


30 posted on 03/19/2013 6:25:21 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: SkyPilot

FOrtunately, about 20% of their pay is benefits, and their benefits will not be affected by the furlough.


31 posted on 03/19/2013 9:01:45 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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