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No Ruling Yet, But Justices Skeptical of Arizona Voter Law [Kennedy Likely To Join Liberals]
NBCNews ^ | March 18, 2013

Posted on 03/18/2013 9:02:09 PM PDT by Steelfish

No Ruling Yet, But Justices Skeptical of Arizona Voter Law

Supreme Court justices expressed some skepticism on Monday about an Arizona law that requires people registering to vote in federal elections to show proof of citizenship.

The legal question before the nine justices is whether the voter registration provision of the 2004 state law is trumped by a federal law, the 1993 National Voter Registration Act, which outlines various ways in which people can register to vote in federal elections.

That law requires no proof of citizenship. Would-be voters simply sign a statement saying they are citizens.

Based on Monday's oral argument, it was unclear how the court will rule, but a number of justices, including regular swing vote Justice Anthony Kennedy raised some concerns about the law.

(Excerpt) Read more at nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com ...


TOPICS: Government; Mexico; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: aliens; arizona; electionfraud; justicesofinjustice; mexico; scotus; votefraud; voterfraud

1 posted on 03/18/2013 9:02:09 PM PDT by Steelfish
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To: Steelfish

Why would they be skeptical? Do they really think we should give foreigners the vote?


2 posted on 03/18/2013 9:06:53 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: GeronL

It shouldn’t even be a question before the court. OF COURSE someone should show proof of citizenship before they vote. I just got hired as a substitute teacher and had to show proof to get a frickin’ job!


3 posted on 03/18/2013 9:08:41 PM PDT by stansblugrassgrl (PRAISE THE LORD AND PASS THE AMMUNITION!!! YEEEEEHAW!)
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To: Steelfish

So, how are we supposed to know if someone voting in our elections is a US citizen? These so called “justices” are all on drugs if they think a worthless signature on a worthless piece of paper is proof of US citizenship . In God We Trust. All other must provide proof of citizenship.


4 posted on 03/18/2013 9:09:08 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Whatever happened to the land of the free, home of the brave?)
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To: Steelfish; everyone
A byproduct of the New World Order with a heap of New Normal. Katie bar the door, if this goes the wrong way. Sorry Katie, nobody will be able to bar the door. May as well get twenty aliases everyone and vote with each one, if this one goes the wrong way. The democRATS will.
5 posted on 03/18/2013 9:16:39 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
So, how are we supposed to know if someone voting in our elections is a US citizen? These so called “justices” are all on drugs if they think a worthless signature on a worthless piece of paper is proof of US citizenship .

The issue is not what the Justices think. Congress thinks that voter registration shouldn't require proof of citizenship. The Constitution says that Congress can decide the "time, place and manner" of federal elections. Arizona's law-- however good an idea it is-- can't override the Motor Voter Act.

6 posted on 03/18/2013 9:18:11 PM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: Steelfish

nbc trying to influence.


7 posted on 03/18/2013 9:19:33 PM PDT by Post5203 (I bought 6 marines a beer at a bar recently and not one said thanks. I won't do that again.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Ah, but proving citizenship is a sign of racism now! Haven’t you been paying attention these past 5 years? /sarc


8 posted on 03/18/2013 9:20:11 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: Steelfish

Why have borders then, Justice Kennedy?


9 posted on 03/18/2013 9:26:52 PM PDT by deadrock
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To: Steelfish

I watched at a Hispanic Festival while they got known illegals by the score to register to vote. They told them to just check the “US Citizen” block, no questions asked.

When I went up to register myself as a test, I asked them about how do I prove I’m a citizen. They said “Don’t worry about it - no one checks”.

I called the Registrar’s Office the next day and asked if there is any follow-up checks with these registration forms. Answer was “No, never - we don’t have the time”.

Illegal alien voting has already been the difference in getting Al Franken and Jim Webb into the Senate, and Sanchez into the House.
When I asked local Republican officials and state representatives and senators why they don’t fight it, their answer was “we don’t want to be accused as racists”. Not exactly a profile in courage.

Now these idiots like Priebus today want to give illegals by the tens of millions the right to vote (democratic).

Shear lunacy! The Republican party will cease to exist by 2030. There will be a Democrat Party and a Partidad de la Raza, once the hispanics reach 51% and decide they don’t need democrats. Of course, by then it will be a different and smaller country, like Russia, as hispanic states spin off to join Mexico or become new nations, California being the first.


10 posted on 03/18/2013 9:31:47 PM PDT by oldbill
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To: Steelfish

Nothing is over until the opinion is published. It is common practice to press both sides.


11 posted on 03/18/2013 9:32:06 PM PDT by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: GeronL; stansblugrassgrl; FlingWingFlyer; no-to-illegals; Lurking Libertarian; bigbob; DEADROCK; ...

If citizens here in the USA think they are 2nd class citizens in their own country as lawlessness increases, it could only make people angry.

Let’s de-fuse the whole situation by seeking the LORD in prayer.

Those of us who are Christians need to pray for the Supreme Court Justices to have Godly wisdom regarding who gets to vote in the USA.

I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, [and] giving of thanks, be made for all men; For kings, and [for] all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty. For this [is] good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
1 Timothy 2:1-4

The king’s heart [is] in the hand of the LORD, [as] the rivers of water: he turneth it whithersoever he will.
PROVERBS 21:1

And as Freeper oldbill pointed out, fraud and lying are growing more common all the time. We need to pray for ...

1) ourselves
2) our neighbors
3) our nation

... so that God will visit us in a holy restoration of Christian living, like we’ve had before in this nation. Please see paragraph 1 of http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2997910/posts for the details.

Lurking Libertarian : good point! Though the Supreme Court “interprets” the laws, ** Congress ** makes laws.

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12 posted on 03/18/2013 10:09:24 PM PDT by ROTB (CW2 = nuking & invasion. Pray for repentance, & our leaders. http://holyrestoration.weebly.com)
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To: Lurking Libertarian
The Constitution says that Congress can decide the "time, place and manner" of federal elections

Where?

My Constitution says

"The Congress may determine the time of choosing the electors, and the day on which they shall give their votes; which day shall be the same throughout the United States."

Nothing about manner or place.

13 posted on 03/18/2013 10:24:22 PM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius (www.wilsonharpbooks.com)
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To: Steelfish

Facebook REQUIRES a Govt. Issued Id for a Facebook account holder to change their name. You are supposed to upload a copy to the Facebook-Gods. But to vote? Libs opposed to that.


14 posted on 03/18/2013 10:27:13 PM PDT by machogirl (First they came for my tagline)
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To: Steelfish; All
I just tripped over a clarification about voting rights in the opinion of the Supreme Court case Minor v. Happersett. This clarification throws a monkey wrench into federal efforts to fight Arizona's citizenship requirement to vote imo.

First, Virginia Minor and her lawyer husband fought for her right to vote by arguing that her citizenship conferred the right to vote. But the Supreme Court said nope. So citizenship, even if you are of voting age, does not automatically guarantee the right to vote.

Minor v. Happersett (Wikipedia)

Minor v. Happersett, 1874

But what's even more damning for any federal laws that activist justices might argue trump Arizona's voter qualification laws is the following. Not only has the Supreme Court already clarified that citizenship doesn't guarantee the right to vote. but also note that the first part of each of the four constitutional amendments which protect voting rights clearly associate voting rights with citizenship.

15th Amendment, Section 1: The right of citizens of the United States to vote (emphasis added) shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.

19th Amendment: The right of citizens of the United States to vote (emphasis added) shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex.

24th Amendment, Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote (emphasis added) in any primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors for President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any state by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax.

26th Amendment, Section 1: The right of citizens of the United States, who are 18 years of age or older, to vote (emphases added), shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any state on account of age.

Again, although you don't necessarily have the right to vote just because you're a citizen as evidenced by the Supreme Court's decision in Minor v. Happersett, I read the Constitution as saying that you don't have the right to vote if you aren't a citizen.

So Arizona is actually setting an example for other states to follow to insure voting compliance with the Constitution.

The only people who are concerned about the states prohibiting illegal immigrants from voting, imo, are corrupt federal government "leaders" who are trying to take advantage of votes from illegals to help unconstitutionally centralize government power in DC.

15 posted on 03/18/2013 10:31:42 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: ROTB; oldbill

Great Words and Thoughts ROTB. It is always a good time to pray for ourselves, our neighbors, and our nation.


16 posted on 03/18/2013 10:36:30 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: Steelfish

I know the solution. Poll “fees” and background checks. Libs like using it for the 2nd amendment. Haha


17 posted on 03/19/2013 12:19:56 AM PDT by I got the rope
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To: SgtHooper

In a sane world, the decision would be 9 to 0 in favor of requiring proof of Citizenship in order to Register to Vote.

In a saner world, it would already be required.

Motor Voter, the biggest Vote Fraud ever foisted upon this Country is still going strong, and guess what, nobody checks the validity of those Registering to Vote under Motor Voter either.


18 posted on 03/19/2013 12:58:43 AM PDT by Kickass Conservative (A Republican freed the Slaves and a Democrat murdered Martin Luther King.)
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To: oldbill

Not to mention Florida. I know at least 20 Brazilians personally who I KNOW are here in green card that voted.


19 posted on 03/19/2013 2:05:33 AM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to thoe tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: Steelfish

So, if the whole population of Mexico decided to register to vote in the US, these fools would be OK with that? Or what if everyone in the world registered? OK?


20 posted on 03/19/2013 2:11:28 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: Lurking Libertarian
. . . however good an idea it is-- can't override the Motor Voter Act.

Article I Section 2 and the 17th Amendment specify the qualifications of electors to the House and Senate have the same qualifications as electors to the most numerous branch of the State legislatures.

If a State requires proof of birth or citizenship to elect state assemblymen, I do not understand how that can be a contested standard for Congressional elections.

21 posted on 03/19/2013 2:26:09 AM PDT by Jacquerie ("How few were left who had seen the republic!" - Tacitus, The Annals)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius
Nothing about manner or place.

Yes, it does. See Article I Section 4.

22 posted on 03/19/2013 2:30:12 AM PDT by Jacquerie ("How few were left who had seen the republic!" - Tacitus, The Annals)
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To: Steelfish

“John Marshall made his decision; now I’ll make mine.” Andrew Jackson To my knowledge, Jackson was never fined, arrested or imprisoned for going against a Supreme Court ruling. If the SC votes to allow illegals to vote, it is the end of the republic and we might as well not vote.

Of course, Roberts could declare this is a tax and you can’t have a poll tax.


23 posted on 03/19/2013 3:42:51 AM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: NTHockey

This gets approved by the SC, why do we bother to have a vote anylong anyway? SEnd out all the free ballots to anyone in the world and let them also vote. Who needs to be living in this country if that happens. What REALLY gets me riled is that our military votes DO NOT GET COUNTED when coming from overseas.


24 posted on 03/19/2013 3:47:28 AM PDT by Progov
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To: Jacquerie
The times, places and manner of holding elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each state by the legislature thereof

The "times, places and manner" are determined by the legislatures of each state.

but the Congress may at any time by law make or alter such regulations, except as to the places of choosing Senators.

The Congress may alter the rules (note the exception for the place of choosing Senators. Senators had always been a State concern until the 17th Amendment) but the primary responsibility is the individual states.

But Article I Section 4 specifically covers elections of Representatives and Senators, and not the President.

25 posted on 03/19/2013 7:03:40 AM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius (www.wilsonharpbooks.com)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

Article I, section 5, clause 1, re Congressional elections.


26 posted on 03/19/2013 7:24:44 AM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: Steelfish
 
Don't let the MSM tell you what to think.
 
Here is the transcript for the oral arguments heard before the court. 12-71. Arizona v. Inter Tribal Council of Ariz. Inc.. My apologies for it's being a PDF, but that's what the court publishes. I don't have time to convert it to HTML today.

27 posted on 03/19/2013 7:36:16 AM PDT by zeugma (Those of us who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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To: Lurking Libertarian
"Each House shall be the judge of the elections, returns and qualifications of its own members, and a majority of each shall constitute a quorum to do business"

Uh, that has nothing to do with the actual "election" (i.e. selection of people who will serve) of the members of the house (see Article 1, Section 4 for that), but rather how "Each House" of Congress has the right to run each house how they see fit.

28 posted on 03/19/2013 7:57:58 AM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius (www.wilsonharpbooks.com)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

Those who make peaceful change impossible
make violent revolution inevitable.


29 posted on 03/19/2013 7:59:17 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: stansblugrassgrl

interesting, you have to show proof you are a licensed attorney in all your pleadings via a bar #.


30 posted on 03/19/2013 10:02:11 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Amendment10; All
I forgot to mention the following in my previous post concerning the citizenship requirement to vote. Not only do the voting rights amendments to the Constitution clarify, imo, that you have to be a citizen in order to vote, the Supreme Court clarifying in Minor v. Happersett that citizenship does not automatically confer the right to vote, but also note Section 2 of the 14th Amendment. Section 2 seems to likewise indicate that citizenship is a prerequisite to being able to vote.
14th Amendment, Section 2: Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States (emphases added), or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.

31 posted on 03/19/2013 10:45:28 AM PDT by Amendment10
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius
Sorry, I cited the wrong clause. I meant Article I, section 4, clause 1: "The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such regulations..."

The only issue before the Court, unfortunately, is whether the Motor Voter law is one regulating the "manner of holding elections" for Congress. If it is, it trumps Arizona's law.

32 posted on 03/19/2013 10:47:36 AM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: Steelfish; Lurking Libertarian; JDW11235; Clairity; TheOldLady; Spacetrucker; Art in Idaho; ...

FReepmail me to subscribe to or unsubscribe from the SCOTUS ping list.

33 posted on 03/19/2013 11:14:05 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

I’m not sure what you were getting at, but Motor Voter cannot trump the Constitution. Each State determines, subject to the Constitution, the qualifications of Congressional electors.


34 posted on 03/19/2013 11:59:06 AM PDT by Jacquerie ("How few were left who had seen the republic!" - Tacitus, The Annals)
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To: oldbill
Shear lunacy! The Republican party will cease to exist by 2030.

You are dreaming. The GOP is already irrelevant in CA, NY, MN, and many other states. I have lived in AZ for over 40 years, and it has gone from bright red to deep purple and for the first time since I can remember have more RAT reps than GOP seated in the 113th Congress.
92nd 2 GOP, 1 RAT
97th 2 GOP, 2 RAT
102nd 4 GOP, 2 RAT
107th 5 GOP, 1 RAT
112th 5 GOP, 3 RAT
113th 4 GOP, 5 RAT
35 posted on 03/19/2013 8:27:00 PM PDT by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: oldbill
When I went up to register myself as a test, I asked them about how do I prove I’m a citizen. They said “Don’t worry about it - no one checks”.

This one has all but been forgotten (Jun 1, 2006, Spanish Question)

Video here ILLEGAL ALIENS VOTING. "YOU DON'T NEED PAPERS!" SAYS FRANCINE BUSBY .

CA-50's Busby (RAT): "You Don't Need Papers for Voting"

“You Don’t Need Papers For Voting”
36 posted on 03/19/2013 9:13:40 PM PDT by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: Jacquerie

Yes, but as noted above “the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such regulations”. So we’ll see how the Supremes interpret it.

I could see them making either argument. But I’m choosing to be hopeful.


37 posted on 03/22/2013 7:53:02 PM PDT by highball ("I never should have switched from scotch to martinis." -- the last words of Humphrey Bogart)
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