Posted on 03/19/2013 6:18:04 AM PDT by Kaslin
I’ve thought about this over the years. I don’t believe that homosexual attraction is something one is born with. I’ve known one person in my life whom I think was probably of that persuasion as a young child. My kids referred to him with female pronouns and that was when they were three and four years old. I’ve been involved through my husband and kids with a lot of the music and theater culture. So I’ve known a lot of people who have made that choice. So I think it’s a choice. But I also think that there are a lot of bad choices right now that the 20 and 30 somethings are making. So if one of my children came to me with this declaration I would tell him/her that in my opinion it was a poor choice and not a good way to find the way to salvation. I would then ask when he/she would be at the Easter brunch and that he/she could invite a friend. I can only remember one time when a guest engaged in inappropriate PDA in my home and that was my former business partner and his skanky girlfriend. Did I mention “former”?
So in other words, I’m pretty sure such a “coming out” would not change my mind or my heart but I haven’t banished any family members so far because of poor choices so I don’t think I would start. When I last saw a long time friend and his boyfriend, I told them “God bless you both and take care of each other.” Now in my opinion, a blessing from God will help each move away from this attraction but that’s up to Him.
Considering the national trajectory that we are on you soon will.
And so now, in addition to seeing the ‘good’ in abortion (after all, it reduces the ‘cost’ of caring for all those children), you even see the ‘necessity’ for perverse sexual behavior, just to ‘fulfill those needs’ of course.
Wrong is wrong, you can not change it. And this behavior is wrong, in fact it is called an abomination, right alongside bestiality.
That’s a good idea, but the reality is, ultimately government or everyday people don’t want their definitions or beliefs left alone. Polygamists could tell you full well that the government wants to leave them alone, when they avoid bothering with marriage licenses for their relationships, and so on.
Are you sure about that? I think they know precisely what they are doing, and Who it is done against. And He will not be silent forever.
I often ask the question that if there were genetic markers for homosexuality, would the left support the right of parents to decide to abort their unborn child? Afterall, at the rate homosexuality occurs in a population, it could be considered a genetic defect much like Down’s Syndrome. What a quandry for liberals and probably for some conservatives too. ;-)
There is a Biblical answer, though the follow thru is hard.
Because of Abraham’s faith in God, he was willing to put even his son Isaac to death for the sake of his faith in God! Christ said he came to bring not peace but a sword and that even families would be divided for his sake.
Even if some in one’s family should decide they will be immoral and not follow Christ despite one’s best efforts then in the end that parent must follow Christ above all else.
A son or daughter coming out as gay should not lead one to abandon God’s priciples not matter what sort of pressures, manipulations, blame being put one one over parental mistakes made in the past...ect. At some point each person becomes accountable for their own actions before God.
A father might at times may need to cut off an errant one from damaging the rest of his family. Some parents have even killed homicidal children who were an immediate threat to the rest of their own kin. Good parenting is no guarantee that each child will come out perfectly. Yet what ever happens, Christ must not be abandoned.
I passed off as “feminine” for a lot of my childhood, got derided, and so on. But I did turn out to be a very capable husband, after a while. I think part of it, was they mistook my social awkwardness from trying to deal with Asperger’s Syndrome as something that was homosexual attraction, anyways, I do feel that the causality for same-sex attraction is complicated and may actually vary from person to person.
I do feel that some people may have a stronger likelihood for developing attraction to the same gender based on early developmental factors, but that’s just my speculation.
That environmental influence could have something to do with going to Yale where everything this young man was taught got turned upside down.
So you really don’t think he went through a difficult phase of introspection? Is it because the conclusion he came to wasn’t the same as yours?
Perhaps you two are different?
The entire homosexual “debate” is lynchpinned on the born that way myth.
there is no gay gene.
there is no behavior gene.
behavior is a choice.
homosexuality is a fetish.
a fetish is a choice.
A fetish is not the same as skin color or physical dna gender.
Congrats, you’re on top of things today! Figuring out what people think is getting to be second nature to you, huh?
cutting off the adult offspring is the correct answer.
Mrs WBill has a number of gay friends, leftover from college. It's easy for me to sit back and watch all of their trials and tribulations from the bleachers.
A fair number of them are decent guys who just happen to be gay - it's like being right-handed, or red-haired. It's just one facet of their lifestyle. However, I *have* noticed that they're very infantilized - things that you and I wouldn't give a second thought to, like smushing spiders or climbing under the house to fix a water leak, elicit an immediate "BLEAH!!! I could NEVER EVER do something like that!" reaction from them.
Strange, sez me, and undoubtedly a learned behavior.
As to the rest of the group, I've no doubt that homosexuality is a conscious choice. For lack of a better term, they are "Flaming Drama Queens", who engage in all (all!!) of the traditional gay stereotypes. This behavior is just one more attention-getter that satisfies their need, while maintaining their standing, socially. I've no doubt that if they could find something that was MORE attention-getting, while not harming their social status, they'd drop the whole "Flaming Gay Drag Queen" lifestyle like a hot rock.
As an aside, it's also interesting for me to watch the interactions in the group. Mrs WBill has pulled slowly away from all of them as she has gotten more and more conservative with age - marriage, responsibility, family will do that, I suppose. But the rest of the people in the group have shunned responsibility. The (non-gay, I assume) females are all single and employed in non-responsible positions (largely interacting with kids, which is concerning). Ditto that for the gay men.
Like I said, it's interesting to sit and watch the dynamic from afar. Would be a good long-term project for some psyche major, I'd think.
Indeed, I hope we are different.
I understand hat you're getting at, Goldstate, but I wouldn't put it quie that way.
I think it's more "If sentimentality is the rule..."
Real compassion meansa really caring for the other person's greatest good, his or her ultimate well-being. It is compassionate to understand that a person is yearning for acceptance and respect; it is not compassionate in the least to support and enable their sexual disorder, as if that were their greatest good. It is not compassionate to deepen another person's disorder.
The same "false compassion" is found in a welfare system which reduces your brother or sister to lifelong degraded dependency.
And toleration for alcohol and drug addition which cripples the addict's life-opportunities.
And misguided compassion for pedophiles which shields them from detection and thus enables them to keep on seeking their prey.
The problem here is not compassion. It's lack of insight into the other person's greatest good.
I have only your words. Why do they seem to be so easily ‘misunderstood’ as you claim?
It does not matter how the homosexuals see it. The behavior is wrong. The activity is wrong. Homosexuality is not an identity, it is a behavior.
We are given these ‘needs’ you refer to. They are for procreation and couple-bonding, AND these needs are to be fulfilled within the bounds of marriage. And marriage is the institution God created that is the union of a (as in one or a single) man and a (Again, just one) woman.
Other desires, and their activities, are so far beyond wrong they were given a special word to describe them - abomination.
Seems simple and clear cut to me, regardless of how a homosexual or lesbian, or zoophile, or pedophile, or necrophile might perceive it.
The correct word is homosexual. Gay is happy, joyful. We need to take the language back, and call the behavior what it is.
Would be a good long-term project for some psyche major, I’d think.
I’m happy for you to have things appear so simple to you.
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