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Mirror, Mirror, on the Wall, Which State Has the Highest Food Stamp Usage of All?
Townhall.com ^ | March 20, 2013 | Daniel J. Mitchell

Posted on 03/20/2013 7:00:49 AM PDT by Kaslin

The food stamp program seems to be a breeding ground of waste, fraud, and abuse. Some of the horror stories I’ve shared include:

With stories like this, I’m surprised my head didn’t explode during this debate I did on Larry Kudlow’s show.

So exactly how bad is the food stamp program?

One way of measuring the cost of the program, both to taxpayers and to the people who get trapped in dependency, is to see what share of a state’s population is utilizing the program.

I just did a “Mirror, Mirror” post on states with the most education bureaucrats compared to teachers and got a lot of good feedback, so let’s do the same thing for food stamps.

Here’s a rather disturbing map from the Washington Post.

Food Stamp Map

A couple of things stand out. I can understand Mississippi, Louisiana, and New Mexico being among the worst states because they have relatively low average incomes. And that’s sort of an excuse for Tennessee, though it’s worth noting that economically and demographically similar states such as Georgia and Alabama don’t fall into the same dependency trap.

 

Why such a significant handout culture?

 

But the state that stands out is Oregon. Based on the state’s income, there’s no reason for more than 20 percent of resident’s to be on the dole. The state does get a “high” ranking on the Moocher Index, so there’s some evidence of an entitlement mentality. And welfare handouts also are above average in the Beaver State as well.

It’s also disappointing to see that food stamp dependency has doubled since 2008 in Florida, Rhode Island, Nevada, Utah, and Idaho. Though it’s a credit to the people of Utah that they’re still in the least-dependent category. But the trend obviously is very bad.

And it’s also depressing to look at the bar chart on the right and see that spending on the program has tripled in the past 10 years. Heck, food stamps were about 70 percent of the cost of a recent Senate “farm bill.”

P.S. A local state legislator asked an official in Richmond why Virginia got such a bad score in the ranking of teachers compared to education bureaucrats. The good news, so to speak, is that Virginia is not as bad as suggested by the official numbers. According to the response sent to this lawmaker, “VDOE has determined that the data it reported on school division personnel and assignments to NCES for 2005-2006 through 2009-2010 through the US Department of Education’s EdFacts Portal were inaccurate.”

The bad news, as you can see from this table, is that there are still more edu-crats than teachers, but the ratio apparently isn’t as bad with this updated data.

Virginia Bureaucrat-Teacher Numbers

As a Virginia taxpayer, I suppose I should be happy. But it’s hard to get overly excited when other states are taking positive steps to bring choice and competition to education, and the best thing I can say about the Old Dominion is that we’re not quite as infested with bureaucrats as we originally thought.

P.P.S. I guess I should give the left-wing Washington Post some credit for sharing the map on food stamp dependency. And, to be fair, the paper did reprint this remarkable chart showing how bad Obama’s record is on jobs compared to Reagan and Clinton. And the paper also printed this chart showing how the economy’s performance is way below average under Obama.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: oregon

1 posted on 03/20/2013 7:00:49 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Awesome data, thanks!

I’ve only visited Oregon once, so others will have far more insight, but I perceive it has sort of a slacker culture widespread across the state


2 posted on 03/20/2013 7:06:47 AM PDT by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: Kaslin

Has there ever been a case with such extreme handouts where people were actually weaned from such programs, the budgets were cut, and they again become productive citizens?

None come to mind

Rather, it seems the likely course that the US Gov’t will expand welfare for all, including favored banks and politically-connected corporations, until it simply can not continue, and then it all collapses


3 posted on 03/20/2013 7:12:29 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: Kaslin
Based on the state’s income, there’s no reason for more than 20 percent of resident’s to be on the dole.

Yes, there is: the spotted owl, endangered salmon, and Eugene.

4 posted on 03/20/2013 7:15:36 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (An economy is not a zero-sum game, but politics usually is.)
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To: nascarnation
Eastern Oregon, not so much. In fact, they are similar to their neighbors in Idaho more so than to their neighbors in Western Oregon.

But Western Oregon is where most of the big cities (Portland, Eugene) and population live. They are pretty much San Fransicko north along with their northern neighbors in Seattle and Tacoma.

5 posted on 03/20/2013 7:16:40 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: nascarnation

I don’t imagine it would have anything to do with the almost 9% state income tax in Oregon? (If you want less of something, like employed people, tax it.)


6 posted on 03/20/2013 7:16:54 AM PDT by sportutegrl
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To: Kaslin
A couple of things stand out. I can understand Mississippi, Louisiana, and New Mexico being among the worst states because they have relatively low average incomes. And that’s sort of an excuse for Tennessee, though it’s worth noting that economically and demographically similar states such as Georgia and Alabama don’t fall into the same dependency trap.

Take a look at the red/blue voting maps from 2008 and 2012 - the ones that drill down to the county level. Look at the Mississippi River, from New Orleans to Memphis. Yes, it is a demographic issue, from which springs economic problems. New Mexico's problems are similar overall, despite being demographically different in origin.

7 posted on 03/20/2013 7:17:09 AM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: Kaslin

Great post. As a CA Freeper, am I reading this correctly? Texas has a higher SNAP than California?


8 posted on 03/20/2013 7:18:45 AM PDT by Shark24
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To: Shark24

As a percentage.


9 posted on 03/20/2013 7:22:32 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: PGR88
Has there ever been a case with such extreme handouts where people were actually weaned from such programs, the budgets were cut, and they again become productive citizens?

No, I don't believe so... not at this extreme level. German Reunification came close, but many people in East Germany *wanted* to be free of Communism and to live productive lives. Over fifty percent of this country is ideologically headed in the opposite direction.

The Germans had an easy time of it, compared to what lies ahead for us.

10 posted on 03/20/2013 7:23:14 AM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: Kaslin

So how does California have a lower rate of participation that Texas?


11 posted on 03/20/2013 7:24:21 AM PDT by LucianOfSamasota (Tanstaafl - its not just for breakfast anymore...)
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To: nascarnation

Oregon has more than it’s share of old hippies. If it is the same there as here in NM a lot of those old hippies got government jobs and government grants to create new government jobs and when you have so many government workers you need clients so you get them any way you can.


12 posted on 03/20/2013 7:36:42 AM PDT by tiki
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To: sportutegrl

I don’t think so. Tennessee has no state income income tax. Whereas some high tax states such as Minnesota, Illinois and Massachusetts have lower food stamp usage rates than many low tax states.


13 posted on 03/20/2013 7:54:00 AM PDT by Parmenio
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To: LucianOfSamasota

Just a guess but remember that calif still has a robust tech population as well as a robust entertainment popluation
That population may be enough to bring down the participation rate compared to Texas which also has a 1100 mle border where the economy really really sucks resulting in more people on welfare


14 posted on 03/20/2013 8:18:45 AM PDT by RWGinger
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To: Charles Martel
Has there ever been a case with such extreme handouts where people were actually weaned from such programs, the budgets were cut, and they again become productive citizens?

Sure...but it usually requires the fall of an empire and a mass die off for those that couldn't become productive citizens.

15 posted on 03/20/2013 8:38:45 AM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: RWGinger

I agree...
But CA also has open endorsement of immigration amnesty, refuge cities, etc.
Surely their illegal population exceeds that of Texas (as a percentage?)

Very strange...


16 posted on 03/20/2013 8:40:57 AM PDT by LucianOfSamasota (Tanstaafl - its not just for breakfast anymore...)
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To: Vigilanteman

“Eastern Oregon, not so much. In fact, they are similar to their neighbors in Idaho more so than to their neighbors in Western Oregon.
But Western Oregon is where most of the big cities (Portland, Eugene) and population live. They are pretty much San Fransicko north along with their northern neighbors in Seattle and Tacoma.”

like commierado. front range (plus aspen and vail) libtard cities and the rest real colorado.


17 posted on 03/20/2013 8:47:45 AM PDT by bravo whiskey (“People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people.”)
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To: Shark24

maybe they should list all illegals getting food stamps. then they could include mexico as the highest state.


18 posted on 03/20/2013 8:48:52 AM PDT by bravo whiskey (“People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people.”)
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To: LucianOfSamasota
The Texas counties along the US/Mexico border probably acct for close to half the state's takers. Add in the major cities of Houston, San Antonio, Dallas and Austin and Voila!


19 posted on 03/20/2013 9:04:49 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: LucianOfSamasota

I think the % is about the same
using 2010 figures it was estimated tht Ca had 2.6 illegala and a pop of about 32.6 Million
Texas had estimated 1.8 million and population of 26.1

so give or take a few illegals here adn there the % is about the same.

We are all getting screwed.


20 posted on 03/20/2013 9:10:11 AM PDT by RWGinger
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To: Shark24

“Great post. As a CA Freeper, am I reading this correctly? Texas has a higher SNAP than California?”

Yeah, I noticed that too! And “Oregonians” are always making snide comments about California’s welfare! I guess they need to look in the mirror! Ditto for Texas!


21 posted on 03/20/2013 9:26:56 AM PDT by vette6387
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To: bravo whiskey

“like Commierado. front range (plus aspen and vail) libtard cities and the rest real colorado.”

Actually it’s more like the big cities vs. the country folks! The only states that have, (thus far more or less) “avoided these issues don’t really have any ( or at least very many) big cities. Take Utah. Twenty-seven of the 28 county sheriffs support the 2A, but the @$$hole in Salt Lake County is the lone holdout. Salt Lake City is really the only big city in the state. Here in CA with 58 counties, we already have something on the order of 20 plus sheriff’s doing the same thing. Maybe the Freepers from Texas can tell us what the breakdown is there. That would be an interesting number.


22 posted on 03/20/2013 9:34:37 AM PDT by vette6387
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To: Kaslin

“...best thing I can say about the Old Dominion is that we’re not quite as infested with bureaucrats as we originally thought.”

We are certainly on our way though. It’s taken me months to recover my equanimity after November’s horror.

I can see our wonderful state becoming the next infestation of “progressives” hell-bent on destroying it.


23 posted on 03/20/2013 9:38:34 AM PDT by OpusatFR
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To: Kaslin

Fewer ‘takers’ in CA than in Texas? Hmm.


24 posted on 03/20/2013 10:15:11 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: Vigilanteman

I see that UTAH’s usage has doubled since 2008.


25 posted on 03/20/2013 3:25:54 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: nascarnation
In line with the other replies, eastern OR has a lot of this kind of stuff:

Eastern WA, too. Except where libs have moved in from the western sides or California these areas are still conservative.

26 posted on 03/20/2013 3:38:08 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture™)
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To: steve86

Looks beautiful.
Sad that the lefties have taken over control.


27 posted on 03/20/2013 3:40:45 PM PDT by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: Liberty Valance
Interesting tid bit...a friend who lives in Amarillo told me that illegals there are few and far between. That's because they're all in Houston. :)

Are Dallas and San Antonio sanctuary cities? I know Houston is.

28 posted on 03/20/2013 3:57:43 PM PDT by Jane Long (Background checks? Dandy idea, Mr. President. Shoulda started with yours. - Sarah Palin)
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To: Durus

“...a mass die off for those that couldn’t become productive citizens.”
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I fear we have millions of young people in this country who will never be able to even support themselves, let alone support a family, even if they decided to try.


29 posted on 03/20/2013 6:44:44 PM PDT by RipSawyer (I was born on Earth, what planet is this?)
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To: RipSawyer

The young adapt as history shows. That is about the only silver lining that history is showing us right now.


30 posted on 03/20/2013 7:17:21 PM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: nascarnation
Looks beautiful.

Sad that the lefties have taken over control.

Lot selected the well-watered plains...




Genesis 13:10

31 posted on 03/20/2013 7:51:29 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: RipSawyer
I fear we have millions of young people in this country who will never be able to even support themselves, let alone support a family, even if they decided to try.

It mattereth not; as we have plenty of space for them: left behind by those who were CHOICED to death - 55,000,000 and counting.

More than 3K a DAY, every day.

Over a million a year...

32 posted on 03/20/2013 7:54:29 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Space for them is not the main problem, they have no life skills, they don’t have a clue how to make their own way.


33 posted on 03/21/2013 7:18:02 PM PDT by RipSawyer (I was born on Earth, what planet is this?)
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To: RipSawyer

Then we should emBRace Darwinism fully; and improve the genus.


34 posted on 03/22/2013 4:38:40 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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