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The Russians Think We’re Wrecking the World on Purpose
PJ ^ | March 19th, 2013 | David P. Goldman

Posted on 03/20/2013 11:03:39 AM PDT by george76

In Russia, most analysts, politicians and ordinary citizens believe in the unlimited might of America, and thus reject the notion that the US has made, and continues to make, mistakes in the [Middle East]. Instead, they assume it’s all a part of a complex plan to restructure the world and to spread global domination,” writes Fyodor Lukyanov

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It’s instructive to view ourselves through a Russian mirror. The term “paranoid Russian” is a pleonasm. “The fact is that all Russian politicians are clever. The stupid ones are all dead. By contrast, America in its complacency promotes dullards. A deadly miscommunication arises from this asymmetry. The Russians cannot believe that the Americans are as stupid as they look, and conclude that Washington wants to destroy them,” I wrote in 2008 under the title “Americans play monopoly, Russians chess.” Russians have dominated chess most of the past century, for good reason: it is the ultimate exercise in paranoia. All the pieces on the board are guided by a single combative mind, and every move is significant. In the real world, human beings flail and blunder. For Russian officials who climbed the greasy pole in the intelligence services, mistakes are unthinkable, for those who made mistakes are long since buried.

From a paranoid perspective, it certainly might look as if Washington planned to unleash chaos. The wave of instability spreading through the Middle East from Syria is the direct result of American actions

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How, the paranoids ask, could two administrations in succession make so many blunders in succession? It stretches credibility. I wish it were a conspiracy. The truth is that we really are that dumb.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; Israel; News/Current Events; Russia; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: arabspring; bho44; bhorussia; globalism; islam; miserablefailure; paranoid; paranoidrussian; pleonasm; russian; sunni; sunnis

1 posted on 03/20/2013 11:03:39 AM PDT by george76
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To: george76

Somebody in the WH is........


2 posted on 03/20/2013 11:05:44 AM PDT by Red Badger (Lincoln freed the slaves. Obama just got them ALL back......................)
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To: george76

Well, it’s 0bama’s Soviet-style Communist parents, Communist grandparents, and Communist mentor Frank Marshall Davis that gave us this mess.


3 posted on 03/20/2013 11:06:16 AM PDT by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (PRISON AT BENGHAZI?????)
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To: george76

We’re not?


5 posted on 03/20/2013 11:09:08 AM PDT by grobdriver (Vivere liberi aut mori)
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To: george76

There is a simpler explanation: these are will-to-power driven monsters who would rather rule in hell from atop a pile of rubble and rotting corpses rather than leave the rest of us alone to live our lives.


6 posted on 03/20/2013 11:10:17 AM PDT by Noumenon (One individual with courage, determination and a rifle can change the course of history.)
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To: george76
The Russians Think We’re Wrecking the World on Purpose

Hmmmm...so do I.

7 posted on 03/20/2013 11:13:47 AM PDT by pgkdan ( "Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not." ~Thomas Jefferson)
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To: george76
You ever play poker with an idiot? Same thing here. Is he that bad or is he that good?

The wave of instability spreading through the Middle East from Syria is the direct result of American actions.

This is FALSE. The Russians invaded Afganistan as well. Iran and Iraq fought a bloody war. Persian Gulf I? 6 Day War? I could go on. You get the point.

There has been war in that area since Persions in the south slaughtered Persians in the north some 8,000 years ago (according to archeologists).

I could see how some in the world could be so confused by this president and the obvious conflicting strategies. In history, America has a strong record of clever deception and keen strategic accumen. Today, the fumbling and bumbling about, getting embassadors killed, letting secret drones fall into Iran, letting close allies and informants rot in Pakistani prisons, drone strikes, take no prisoners, aplogize every 3 months for what we have and what we are going to do, etc.

I can see where some old KGB guys are pulling their hair out and going mad.

8 posted on 03/20/2013 11:16:36 AM PDT by Tenacious 1 ("The British are Coming (to confiscate weapons)" - Paul Revere (We know how that ended))
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To: Noumenon
There is a simpler explanation: these are will-to-power driven monsters who would rather rule in hell from atop a pile of rubble and rotting corpses rather than leave the rest of us alone to live our lives.

Well, it is the logic of Milton's "Paradise Lost" where the Devil said, "it is better to rule in Hell than serve in Heaven." I see many parallels here.
9 posted on 03/20/2013 11:18:39 AM PDT by Nowhere Man (Whitey, I miss you so much. Take care, pretty girl. (4-15-2001 - 10-12-2012))
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To: george76
Don’t give the Russians so much credit. If it wasn’t for an abundance of natural gas and oil they’d be struggling to to stay a second rate power while trying to pull out of the stagnation of sixty years of complete economic incompetence.
10 posted on 03/20/2013 11:22:57 AM PDT by Pan_Yan (I love it when spell check selects every single word in my post.)
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To: Nowhere Man

Puty-Put warned the Bamster.


11 posted on 03/20/2013 11:22:59 AM PDT by Big Red Badger
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To: george76

There is a clever player behind the pieces, the problem is that it is the Islamic player who got their guy into the White House. Brilliant play really , they knew the King Rat sets the rules for the rest of the Rats. They also knew with a black guy no questions would be asked.


12 posted on 03/20/2013 11:25:00 AM PDT by Nateman (If liberals are not screaming you are doing it wrong!)
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To: george76

The Clintons were writing off their dirty underwear when they came to D.C.. Now, they have loads of money. Being President has become too lucrative of a job. It’s attracting money grabbers like the Clintons and Obama. The Presidency is no longer about selfless service to the country. I guess we need to make it unprofitable to be President. Make them retire to government quarters on a military post/base.


13 posted on 03/20/2013 11:28:58 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: george76
America in its complacency promotes dullards

Who can argue with this ?

14 posted on 03/20/2013 11:29:32 AM PDT by layman (Card Carrying Infidel)
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To: george76

Not the world. Just this country. All the rest of you are collateral damage.

Sorry.


15 posted on 03/20/2013 11:32:07 AM PDT by SargeK
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To: Pan_Yan

I agree. This is “stopped clock” territory. Sad but true.


16 posted on 03/20/2013 11:32:41 AM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: george76

Obama couldn’t even dominate a neighborhood much less the whole world.


17 posted on 03/20/2013 11:32:45 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: SargeK

Oh my gosh Sarge! Great reply.


18 posted on 03/20/2013 11:37:35 AM PDT by Casie (democrats destroy)
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To: SargeK

Bang on.


19 posted on 03/20/2013 11:41:55 AM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: george76

Always was a Communist goal and the subversives in America now dominate academia, the media, and the Democrat Party. They also have influence in the State Department (as they did even in the McCarthy era).


20 posted on 03/20/2013 11:43:42 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: Tenacious 1

Obama gives open support to the Islamic theocratic powers in the Middle East. He isn’t pushing for liberty and democracy. His foreign policy is decidedly pro-Islamist.

WTF did we go to war against Libya? He boasted to the United Nations (essentially) “Mission Accomplished” about a year before our Ambassador was murdered in a siege on our embassy. He boasted that this was a “new way” of bringing change, without losing American lives (except we did).

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton boasted “WE came, WE saw, HE DIED!” when Momar Gaddafi was tortured and abused then ultimately murdered as a POW. That is nothing but a war crime. Who has even been charged in that case? I hear of no investigations, let alone our State Department’s support for the outcome.


21 posted on 03/20/2013 11:47:25 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: george76
Instead, they assume it’s all a part of a complex plan to restructure the world and to spread global domination

Here is the blueprint AGENDA 21

It not "us" per se, its the Globalist Banksters that have captured our government and own our leaders. They aren't Americans in any sense of the word, they hate free market competition, and have nothing but contempt for the US Constitution and everything it represents.

Superclass: The Global Power Elite and the World They Are Making

What price the new democracy? Goldman Sachs conquers Europe

The Real New World Order. Bankers Taking over the World

Wall St. and the Bolshevik Revolution

22 posted on 03/20/2013 11:51:44 AM PDT by Count of Monte Fisto
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To: george76
I wonder if this story is really based on Russian agitprop? Even if they don't really believe it, it serves their purpose to convince others that they do.

-PJ

23 posted on 03/20/2013 11:53:08 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: Tenacious 1

Did Russia supply free arms to Jihadist’s?


24 posted on 03/20/2013 11:56:14 AM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: george76

And more than likely they’re CORRECT.


25 posted on 03/20/2013 11:57:43 AM PDT by VideoDoctor
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To: george76

Can’t disagree.


26 posted on 03/20/2013 12:06:50 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: george76

Communists always accuse their victims of the very crimes they are perpetrating against them.


27 posted on 03/20/2013 12:07:48 PM PDT by Safrguns
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To: a fool in paradise

I love reading Spengler. Would somebody look up “pleonasm” for me?


28 posted on 03/20/2013 12:12:32 PM PDT by Sicvee (Sicvee)
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To: Sicvee

Pleonasm (from Greek, pleon: more, too much) is the use of more words or word- parts than is necessary for clear expression: examples are black darkness, ...


29 posted on 03/20/2013 12:24:51 PM PDT by bayouranger (The 1st victim of islam is the person who practices the lie.)
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To: george76

The Russians can rest assured that Obama is incapable of global domination.


30 posted on 03/20/2013 12:44:38 PM PDT by popdonnelly (The right to self-defense is older than the Constitution.)
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To: george76

I’ve always found ‘Spengler’ to be a nasty little neo-connish bankster/worthless POS! PJ Media has attracted quite a few, just as Breitbart and Daily Caller.


31 posted on 03/20/2013 1:31:34 PM PDT by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: george76
The Russians cannot believe that the Americans are as stupid as they look, and conclude that Washington wants to destroy them

Just another rexample of guvmint schools.

32 posted on 03/20/2013 2:56:06 PM PDT by VRW Conspirator (Sometimes it takes calamity to lead to serenity - FReeper RacerX1128)
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To: george76

Obama is. Blame the idiots who voted for him.


33 posted on 03/20/2013 3:10:31 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: george76
“Americans play monopoly, Russians chess.”

Not exactly. We won the Cold War by being smarter then the Russians. That was then, this is now. DC is no longer being run by people smarter then the Russians. It is being run by people more crooked then the Russians. Follow the money or more accurately, follow the debt load. That explains all the US actions. DC is being run by a bunch of crooks trying to steal money or more accurately put, trying to pay off their stolen debt.

BTW - Chess is highly over rated. Today's modern games allow you to command entire armies and deal with simultaneous real time events.

34 posted on 03/20/2013 4:02:19 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: george76
Pleonasm BTT.

Pleonasm.
Pleonasm...

35 posted on 03/20/2013 4:04:21 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: george76

It takes communists to know communists.


36 posted on 03/20/2013 6:03:28 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: george76

because of ZIGGY!!! I know, I lived in Russia for a few months awhile back. It’s Ziggy that freaked them out.


37 posted on 03/20/2013 10:05:54 PM PDT by MarMema
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To: listenhillary
Did Russia supply free arms to Jihadist’s?

With an open and ovjective mind, I've done some research on this. I assume we are talking about Egypt.

Argument #1: If we stop giving them funds, they'll REALLY hate us more worser than now....

Argument #2: As long as we are still giving the money we still have some influence, at least on the military side of the Egyptian government.

Argument #3: We should cut off all funding until they get their house in order. We'll really feel stupid when Egypt turns their American supplied military assets on Israel. Besides, we have some budget issues here in USA.

Argument #4: Instead of Egypt, give the money to Israel to demonstrate our disgust with Egypts current regime, their rhetoric and foreign policy. We should not only not support bad behavior but diplomatically punish it.

Objectively speaking, #1 is the liberal line and shortsighted and stupid. NIX IT!. #2 - Their might be some fringe benefit to this IF we have some covert CIA/NSA assets keeping REAL GOOD intel on what's going on. Egypt has had some of the best intel on terrorists and Iran (besides Israel). But.....I'm still thinking about it.

If it were me? I'd cut off funding and save the money while simultaneously start moving massive forces in support of Israel (carrier groups) against Iran and Egypt. Traditionally, American show of force sends a clearer message than words and money.

38 posted on 03/21/2013 9:54:54 AM PDT by Tenacious 1 ("The British are Coming (to confiscate weapons)" - Paul Revere (We know how that ended))
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

Except we have the stupid commies and they have the smart ones.


39 posted on 03/22/2013 8:49:40 AM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: george76

We’re simply being judged by God, who’s given us a president we deserve.

For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened.


40 posted on 03/22/2013 9:38:25 AM PDT by wolfman
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To: pgkdan

Pretty obvious, huh. It shows the Russians are paying attention. And apparently they don’t plan on going down with the ship.


41 posted on 03/22/2013 12:47:56 PM PDT by Terry Mross (This country will fail to exist in my lifetime. And I'm gettin' up there in age.)
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To: Terry Mross

I never thought I’d live to see the day when I agreed more with the message coming out of Moscow than Washington...


42 posted on 03/22/2013 12:50:01 PM PDT by pgkdan ( "Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not." ~Thomas Jefferson)
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To: blueunicorn6
Make them retire to government quarters on a military post/base.

And confine their presidential libraries to a single-storey, 4000-sq. ft. building. And, in the spirit of that law, pull down the hulking Temple of the Deified Lyndon in Austin near the football stadium.

43 posted on 03/23/2013 2:09:40 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: lentulusgracchus

bttt


44 posted on 03/23/2013 3:52:10 PM PDT by txhurl
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