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Police State Raids Family’s Home: “The Fight Has Officially Been Brought To My Front Door”
SHTF Plan ^ | March 20th, 2013 | Mac Slavo

Posted on 03/20/2013 12:01:12 PM PDT by Mozilla

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To: metmom

Homeschool Legal Defense:
http://www.hslda.org

Heritage Defense:
http://www.heritagedefense.org

Join both if you can. Don’t answer the door without it.


51 posted on 03/20/2013 12:41:42 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: MrB

Thank you for the links, B!


52 posted on 03/20/2013 12:44:14 PM PDT by Old Sarge (We are officially over the precipice, we just havent struck the ground yet...)
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To: Mozilla

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, “If you are over 13 years old Facebook is not for you.” flame away


53 posted on 03/20/2013 12:44:51 PM PDT by knife6375 (US Navy Veteran)
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To: SkyDancer

I suppose since as minors by law children do not have autonomy or the right to make decisions on their own for themselves in any known jurisdiction of the world. Instead their adult caregivers, including parents, social workers, teachers, youth workers, and others, are vested with that authority, depending on the circumstances.

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children’s_rights#Justifications]

then being that the parent actually bought and owns the weapon, he can extend that right to minors under his tutelage.


54 posted on 03/20/2013 12:44:59 PM PDT by WCH
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To: WCH

So you’re saying that children have no rights but that which an adult chooses for them.


55 posted on 03/20/2013 12:46:26 PM PDT by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: Kartographer

Amen! Well said.


56 posted on 03/20/2013 12:47:17 PM PDT by Mozilla
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To: MrB

Where does one find these types of lawyers?


57 posted on 03/20/2013 12:47:38 PM PDT by US_MilitaryRules (Unnngh! To many PDS people!)
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To: Mozilla

Historians trace the death of the Roman republic to Julius Caesar when he crossed the Rubicon river to engage in Civil War. I think historians will trace the end of our republic to the day in 2008 that the SCOTUS did not look into the eligibility of Obama, which was their job. They didn’t do it because they feared the political consequences. The SCOTUS has been granted lifetime employment for that very reason, that they wouldn’t need to consider political consequences in upholding the constitution. They failed our republic.


58 posted on 03/20/2013 12:50:23 PM PDT by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: US_MilitaryRules

See 51...

Not sure these are the vindictive types or more of the defensive types.

Yes, we need some more vindictive types out there to push back and make these petty tyrants think twice about harrassing someone.

“You mean _I_ could be held accountable for my decisions?”


59 posted on 03/20/2013 12:50:36 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: SkyDancer

That’s what we use to tell our children. 8)

But, not everyone agrees...

http://www.examiner.com/article/minors-the-second-amendment-and-incorporation


60 posted on 03/20/2013 12:57:30 PM PDT by WCH
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To: PapaBear3625

“A licensed holder” bugs me. I couldn’t live in a place like that.


61 posted on 03/20/2013 12:57:53 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: knife6375

Each to their own. I’ve found it a good way to connect with old friends and family. You just have to be careful.


62 posted on 03/20/2013 12:59:54 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: SkyDancer
So you’re saying that children have no rights but that which an adult chooses for them.

In a rational society - one stable enough to continue - rights (authority) and responsibility are balanced. Since a child has no legal authority to do things like enter contracts and has no legal duty to do things like participate in juries, then with respect to social rights, they don't necessarily have any.

This is predicated on the definition of 'right' as a capability which the state has the power to take away from you, but not the authority to take away from you. Hence, there is a valid 'right' to keep and bear arms. You don't have a 'right' to pursue happiness because that is a tropism - even in the most vile prison on earth you can pursue happiness. If you're going to say that even a child has a 'right' to life, then you need to explain how that applies to a child that is at sea too far from land to swim. The same applies to the 'right' to self defense. If you face an adversary who is stronger (or better armed) and intent on violence, you have only the right to try to defend yourself. And the state has the power to penalize you for exercising that right, but not the authority to do so.

So, does a child have a "right" to self-defense? I know that if I were on a jury and a child acted in legitimate self defense, I would not convict him of any crime. But if he acted wrongly, claiming self defense but in a way that an adult would not find compelling, then I'd go after his parents, not him.
63 posted on 03/20/2013 1:14:24 PM PDT by Phlyer
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To: Kartographer
In Texas, the identity of a person going to/or calling, social services is not allowed to be identified.

An almost related friend in Dallas takes care of her mother who is senile. If the daughter gives the mom her social security check, she walks to a drug store when the daughter is not home and puts enough aspirin products in her cart to require the whole check for payment. As a result, the daughter, who is a responsible person, gives her mom money but not the whole check at a time. The mom, again being senile, calls 911 and says her daughter has her in prison and won't give her the SS money, or she goes to a neighbor to have them call social service.

The daughter has been grilled over and over by cops and social service every single time this happens. There is always someone who believes the mom and calls social service. The only one who gets in “trouble” is the daughter.

The senile lady is the sister of my ex-mother-in-law and she is almost 90 herself and has problems thinking correctly, so the senile one calls her to have her call Dallas social service, which she does, time after time, and the daughter is in trouble again.

I don't know what I would do if the senile one was my mother calling the cops and social service every time she got it in her head I was keeping her in prison and keeping her money away from her. In this case, I would be sorely temped to put the mom in a nursing home which would stop the harassment of me.

I know there are terrible things that are reported to social services and the caller could be even killed if the bad person knew who called, but this is terrible the daughter has to go through this time after time.

64 posted on 03/20/2013 1:20:25 PM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: Marcella

My friend went thru that with his mentally failing father and his gold digging Alcoholic girlfriend. He ended up having to petition the court for legal guardianship. His father’s girlfriend tried to fight it.

It was stressful for the Son and his Father’s friends who saw it play out. But in the end the Judge granted him guardianship and his father’s gold digger was sent packing.
Dad was put in a 24 hour care center (By then he didn’t even recognize his Son) and she was given an eviction notice.


65 posted on 03/20/2013 1:31:08 PM PDT by VRWCarea51
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To: ObozoMustGo2012
Even the “friends”you have on FB cant even be trusted.

I usually unfriend people after their first left-wing post to be safe. Family are temporarily except.
66 posted on 03/20/2013 1:37:24 PM PDT by Wanderer99
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To: Kevmo

Hate to disagree, but they’ll go back further than that.

They’ll go back to the 17th amendment, probably the 19th, Roe v. Wade and the ‘penumbras and emanations’. They’ll go back to causis belli of the Civil War, and the idea that the feds could tell the states what to do about slavery.

When the feds told the states whether they could or could not have slavery, it jumped the 9th and 10th amendments, and the slope has been slippery from there.


67 posted on 03/20/2013 1:38:31 PM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: Kartographer

I will teach my kids not to let the police in unless they have a warrant and to call me first BEFORE answering the door.


68 posted on 03/20/2013 1:39:26 PM PDT by Wanderer99
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To: Mozilla

I live in NJ. Does anyone know what town this was?


69 posted on 03/20/2013 1:41:20 PM PDT by certrtwngnut (')
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To: PGR88

ding ding ding...

“Texas Law Shield”

Well worth it in my book, and if they are not in a position due to the circumstances, Charles Cotton is my next phone call...But he has said, don’t call me a 3am...You’ll have to wait till later in the morning, and my first cup of coffee, hehehe...That has always been acceptable to me...

Unfortunately I have not had to think of a “Plan C” as yet...If I need that, we be in heap big time trouble kemosabe...


70 posted on 03/20/2013 1:48:55 PM PDT by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: RinaseaofDs

When Julius Caesar crossed the Rubicon river, historians consider this the defining moment when the roman empire to have begun and the republic to have died. Even people living at the time knew that this was the case.

Very few people living at this time would consider that the US republic died when the 17th amendment was passed. Some folks think it happened with the civil war, but it is a small minority and certainly not ‘most historians’.


71 posted on 03/20/2013 1:50:54 PM PDT by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: Kartographer
I needed an attorney to help me with some documents (she's a Republican and tough as nails) and I have her card in my purse along with other cards but I didn't put hers there to have it in case I was in trouble. That stack of cards is one from my doctor, one for Prissy’s vet, one for her groomer, my hair dresser, etc., just cards to find numbers fast.

Now that this gun situation has happened, I'm glad her card is in my purse. But, since this happened, I'm going to put her number in my cell phone so I can just punch it and it calls her.

The documents I needed help with and getting them recorded at the courthouse, was after my husband's death, and she wouldn't take any money for helping me and took them to get them recorded herself so I didn't have to go there and do that. I know we dump on lawyers all the time, but she is exceptional.

You know I have several defense weapons now but would we have thought five or six years ago that we could be in jeopardy having them and having magazines that hold over ten cartridges? As we are threatened bit by bit, we adjust to one bit, then another bit happens and we adjust to that one. At what point are there enough butterfly wings that flapped that critical mass is reached and an explosion happens? Where do we draw the red line (as Netanyahu did)?

72 posted on 03/20/2013 1:55:37 PM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: MrB

“We don’t have to take up arms to start resisting.

Just start resisting. Know your rights and insist on them.

“No, you may not see my identification. Am I under arrest or am I free to go?”

“No, you may not enter my house without a warrant, and I will not answer any of your questions without a lawyer, and I will not turn off the video recording device.””


MrB, while certainly what you stated should be our bare minimum response, I think you will have to agree that passive resistance has not worked in NY as for all practicable purposes the 2nd Amendment is null and void.

SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED is an absolute yet we allowed the communists on the left to distort the 2nd Amendment by focusing the debate on the Militia portion when in fact, and simple understanding of English would tell any honest person that the RTKBA SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED cannot be modified by the first part of the phrase.

In our airports, train stations, government buildings our 4th Amendment rights are null and void.

In our communications again the 4th Amendment is null and void.

As the scum of the earth Islam takes hold in the USA our 1st Amendment rights will be null and void as nothing can be said against Is_slime regardless of how true it may be.

As proved by Holder refusing to prosecute the NAPAs in Philly who were intimidating votes our right to free and honest elections are null and void.

A simple reading of the Communist Manifesto will reveal exactly what our ruling elite are doing and we are no longer in control of our government. It was never intended to get to this point hence the Thomas Jefferson moment.

This country has been lost from the roots on up. The public school system has destroyed the roots for decades such that the vast majority of citizens know more about American Idol than the very foundation of the country.

If we have not reached the appropriate line in the sand, just what else do the ruling elite have to do to use before that line is crossed? I submit the line was crossed years ago and we did not have the backbone to fight the communists.


73 posted on 03/20/2013 1:59:41 PM PDT by Wurlitzer (Nothing says "ignorance" like Islam!)
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To: Kevmo

By your own standard, the time between Julius Caesar and the fall of the empire was 500 years or more. Rome even had a golden age after Claudius.

They’ll probably look at the Civil War as the moment, not the Barack Obama BC thing. That’s when we decided to gut the 9th and 10th, which was the point of the founding document in the first place.

It would probably be more appropriate to say that when the US went from gold to fiat currency, that was the beginning of the end. No fiat currency has ever survived, and we knew that at the time and did it anyway.

It’s an interesting question.


74 posted on 03/20/2013 1:59:43 PM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: RinaseaofDs

By your own standard, the time between Julius Caesar and the fall of the empire was 500 years or more.
***I’m not talking about the fall of the empire, I’m talking about the beginning of the empire... and the fall of the republic.


75 posted on 03/20/2013 2:03:36 PM PDT by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: PapaBear3625

Facebook is privacy invasion on steroids, people think they are safe but they aren’t. Anything put on the net is out there for everyone with the know how to hack into at anytime. Seems like people think Hillary or the Bushes are the only people who can be hacked.


76 posted on 03/20/2013 2:04:23 PM PDT by pepperdog ( I still get a thrill up my leg when spell check doesn't recognize the name/word Obama!)
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To: Kevmo

Ah.


77 posted on 03/20/2013 2:07:05 PM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: MrB; Da Coyote; Mozilla
"Those people need to be sued for violation of civil rights under color of law."

ABSOLUTELY SPOT-ON.

Sue the agencies. ALL of them.
Sue the police officers involved. ALL of them as individual defendants. BY NAME.
Sue the DYFS people involved. ALL of them as individual defendants. BY NAME.

And I don't mean go levy some gadfly lawsuit amounting to ten or twenty thousands dollars; I man go for the throat, and make every credible attempt humanly possible to PERMANENTLY, TOTALLY BANKRUPT every last MF'n bastard involved.

Take their homes. Take their cars. Take their pension funds. Take their stocks & bonds. Take their gold. Take their land. Take their furniture. Take their appliances. Take their computers. Take every last thing of any value whatsoever. Take very clothes off of their quisling backs, and leave them with everything they wanted to leave you with: NOTHING but the ringing in their ears of their empty-handed, wailing wives and children.

THESE PEOPLE MUST BE BROUGHT TO UTTER RUIN!! PUBLICLY!!

It MUST happen, or these sorts of things will never cease.

78 posted on 03/20/2013 2:07:43 PM PDT by HKMk23 (Cultures succumb not to ideas, but to superior cultures. Invoke the "Super Culture." Matt. 9:38)
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To: Mozilla

Are they going after the little gang banger wannabes on FB that pose with all sorts of weapons? Or just white kids?


79 posted on 03/20/2013 2:20:21 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: cherry

I will second that one. Had a disgruntled neighbor call me in as a professional drug dealer. On my day off 2 hours after I finished cleaning my AK47 a dozen hopped up speed junkies and dogs smashed my front door in, went through everything in my computer, took 2 antiques and relieved 400+ bucks from my wallet, claiming there was 16 dollars in it.
I always suspected who made the anonymous call and put a half ounce of seeds and stems in my trash, but 8 years later I really don’t know. Sometimes the accusation is so important it deserves investigation regardless of merit...


80 posted on 03/20/2013 2:27:58 PM PDT by When do we get liberated? (A socialist is a communist who realizes he must suck at the tit of Capitalism.)
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To: Mozilla

A few weeks ago I was zeroing in my new very nice pellet rifle,birthday gift from my son, in my back yard. The yard is high fenced and I was shooting at targets well imbedded and backed with foam, carpet, and steel sheet in a cooler box. I had checked the city code and with PD the day before to make sure there were no restrictions. My wife comes and tells me PD is at the door. I invited the officers to the backyard to see what I had setup. Some neighbor had reported I was shooting at and killing birds. The police were assured and accepted only target shooting was going on. All turned out with good vibes but I wasn’t told who reported I was killing birds. At least the person making the false report got some satisfaction in that my wife who is more squeamish about such matters won’t allow any more shooting. If I want to pretend I can take a garden scoop and crack it on a brick for the same sound. I have the feeling now that I suspect many people had in Nazi Germany and Stalin’s Russia.


81 posted on 03/20/2013 2:28:40 PM PDT by noinfringers2
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To: Mozilla

Calling a GOOD, HONEST lawyer (if there are such critters).

Heres a cood opportunity to sue the crap out of N.Y. State and WIN.


82 posted on 03/20/2013 2:31:40 PM PDT by DaveA37
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To: Mozilla

so the police saw his FB, how , why?
Did they get a tip off by a loney liberal?

Then they have no right to go into his house and threaten them and then they told him they will take the kids away?

I see the MSM, the lap dogs have again not really covered this story and I hope the father sues the hell out of the NAZI’s


83 posted on 03/20/2013 2:34:42 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: Da Coyote

just who ratted this guy out anyway, name names and lets see them get some public attention and lets see how they like it


84 posted on 03/20/2013 2:35:38 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: driftdiver
“A licensed holder” bugs me. I couldn’t live in a place like that.

If you're talking about the sentence "The picture showed his son, a licensed hunter, holding his new birthday gift, a .22 caliber rifle", practically every state has licensing for hunters, usually involving proof of attendance at a hunter safety class and payment of a fee.

85 posted on 03/20/2013 2:51:31 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: PapaBear3625
I'd like to see the "tipster"s anonymity removed in cases where the tip turns out to be completely bogus

Actually isn't their a law about such kind of matters aleardy? Making false statements, causing public panic, etc.

86 posted on 03/20/2013 2:58:22 PM PDT by EBH ( American citizens do not negotiate with political terrorists.)
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To: Old Sarge

Wearing the blue of the Crips.

When it comes to gangs, my money is on the guys wearing RealTree and Mossy Oak “gang colors”.


87 posted on 03/20/2013 2:58:36 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Marcella
An almost related friend in Dallas takes care of her mother who is senile. If the daughter gives the mom her social security check, she walks to a drug store when the daughter is not home and puts enough aspirin products in her cart to require the whole check for payment. As a result, the daughter, who is a responsible person, gives her mom money but not the whole check at a time. The mom, again being senile, calls 911 and says her daughter has her in prison and won't give her the SS money, or she goes to a neighbor to have them call social service.

I had similar issues with my mom when she went through her dementia stage. I had her examined by a neurologist, diagnosed with dementia, went to court, and got guardianship.

She would still raise a fuss and demand the police be called, but after a while (it's a small town) they got used to it. I finally had to put her in a nursing home when taking care of her got beyond what we could do and still keep our own sanity.

88 posted on 03/20/2013 2:58:57 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: Mozilla

MyFace is vehicle for stupidity, real or imagined.

Is it really worth posting photos of your kids for anyone to see?


89 posted on 03/20/2013 2:59:38 PM PDT by Rebelbase (1929-1950's, 20+years for full recovery. How long this time?)
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To: Mozilla

“While Moore’s son proudly displaying his semi-automatic personal defense rifle was completely legal, an anonymous tipster contacted New Jersey’s Department of Children and Family Services and declared that the Moore family was neglecting and abusing their child, an unfounded accusation that led to the mobilization of local police who were apparently not at all concerned with the unconstitutionality of their actions which violated numerous protections of the Moore family including their right to bear arms, their right to be secure in their homes, their right to speak freely, and their right to be considered innocent until proven guilty.”

You see this is why I don’t shed a tear when lawless officers like that get killed. If your not going to uphold your oath you deserve no more respect than that of a common criminal for that is all you are.


90 posted on 03/20/2013 3:08:40 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: PapaBear3625
“I finally had to put her in a nursing home when taking care of her got beyond what we could do and still keep our own sanity.”

Well, I am 80 and sharper than most people of any age. I use my brain constantly studying and researching and writing prepper articles for another website. I'd rather learn than eat and have been that way all my life - I started reading at age 3 and read the World Book Encyclopedia and the big dictionaries that came with those. I thought words were great. So, I have been reading and studying since I was 3.

I meet older people who talk about what they “used to be” as though they are nothing now. I studied to be an EMT when I was in my sixties and made the highest on the state test of anyone in that class and I was way older than they were.

Getting old in age does not mean your brain has to go away. Using it keeps it sharp. I also play computer games that require fast decisions.

If I ever have to go to a nursing home it will be because my joints gave out, something like that. And, if the nursing home didn't have Wifi so I could use my computer, I wouldn't go.

91 posted on 03/20/2013 3:49:31 PM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: Marcella
"If I ever have to go to a nursing home it will be because my joints gave out, something like that. And, if the nursing home didn't have Wifi so I could use my computer, I wouldn't go. "

I love your spirit...keep up the fight!

92 posted on 03/20/2013 4:27:55 PM PDT by blam
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To: Mozilla

The answer is to abolish the doctrine of Parens Patriae. But potential victims wouldn’t listen during the ‘80s, ‘90s or more recently. Why would they listen now? They’d rather believe that they’re somehow inherently superior to others whose families were busted, and their lives, ruined, but millions of the families of such “superior” people have been robbed and scattered since. Most of our fellow Americans are fascists and don’t realize it (or have much connection to many realities)—much like fascists of other nations past.

Let the default process take care of it. Take a seat. Have fun. Enjoy the slide.


93 posted on 03/20/2013 4:28:19 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: PapaBear3625

I probably misread it but the tone of the article is still like that. They had to make sure all the guns were registered.


94 posted on 03/20/2013 4:30:17 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Mozilla
"I was told I was being “unreasonable...”

Unreasonable will soon be re-termed as "mentally unstable", if the libs have their way.

95 posted on 03/20/2013 4:47:56 PM PDT by APatientMan (Pick a side)
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To: MrB
Heritage Defense: http://www.heritagedefense.org Join ... if you can.

Guess I can't; their FAQ page says "Heritage Defense membership is currently limited to home educating families." Did that, but now I don't have anyone under 18 to teach.

96 posted on 03/20/2013 5:18:25 PM PDT by HomeAtLast ( You're either with the Tea Party, or you're with the EBT Party.)
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To: knife6375
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, “If you are over 13 years old Facebook is not for you.” flame away

I disagree completely! Facebook is not even for those under 13. There was just a case in Va. where a young girl went off to meet her "boyfriend" she met on facebook. She was 15 and he was 21. He told her he was 16. the Police said that he had ties to a sex ring.

97 posted on 03/21/2013 2:39:41 AM PDT by Hope for the Republic (The 1st amendment is protected by the 2nd amendment)
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To: Hope for the Republic

Your right I did not think about that. But I still refuse to use facebook, friends I call them if I want to know what they are doing. If they can’t call on occasion to talk are they really friends. Family is family and I talk to them as I need or want. Nobodies day to day life is so important that everybody needs to read about it. My life is my life and I don’t want anyone to know what I do unless I think they are worthy of my friendship.


98 posted on 03/21/2013 6:41:01 AM PDT by knife6375 (US Navy Veteran)
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