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Legal pot means big changes for Washington's drug-sniffing dogs
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Posted on 03/20/2013 6:13:34 PM PDT by Daffynition

SEATTLE -- The passage of I-502 made things difficult enough for the humans tasked with creating and enforcing the laws for legal marijuana. Now, try explaining the difference between "personal use" and "intent to sell" or the gray area between state and federal law to a dog.

That's why many law-enforcement agencies around the state, including the Seattle Police Department and Washington State Patrol, will no longer be training their drug-sniffing dogs to alert for marijuana.

“Moving forward, it makes most sense not to train dogs to alert to marijuana as that would likely lead to unwarranted investigatory detentions of people who are not breaking any law," said Alison Holcomb, author of I-502 and drug policy director for the American Civil Liberties Union.

The Washington Association of Prosecuting Attorneys sent out a memo advising the state's law-enforcement agencies that narcotics dogs are no longer required to be trained to alert for marijuana in December. And, marijuana was removed from the Washington State Criminal Justice Training Commission's Canine Performance Standards test in January.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: cannabis; donutwatch; drugs; drugwar; marijuana; statesrights; tenthamendment; warondrugs; wod; wodlist; wosd
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1 posted on 03/20/2013 6:13:34 PM PDT by Daffynition
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To: Daffynition

so let me get this right.

College kids came out in force along wiht some druggies, OK they voted and that is their right.
Now AZ, FL, SC, AL etc all enforce immigration fedral law and get sued.
MA ignores immigration law and nothing.\
Tax money used to promote food stamps in Mexico, and illegals set free

WA, CO ignore federal law and the feds too ignore this and say they have bigger fish to fry

OK got it, what ever goes , then goes, no rule of law then and they wonder why some don;t bother with the law


2 posted on 03/20/2013 6:16:29 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: manc

Yeah, seems pretty clear to me, too.


3 posted on 03/20/2013 6:19:05 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I am a dissident. Will you join me? My name is John....)
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To: Cyber Liberty

hopefully common sense and the rule of law will come back to this country because we’re heading into anarchy if not.


4 posted on 03/20/2013 6:20:57 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: Daffynition

That’s a cool picture ;-)


5 posted on 03/20/2013 6:21:23 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: manc

So they won’t mind when millions of us ignore their stupid gun laws.


6 posted on 03/20/2013 6:21:25 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: Daffynition
If you live next door to a pothead and he smokes and the wind happens to be going your way and it smells REALLY bad and it is legal - whatchagonnadoaboutit?
7 posted on 03/20/2013 6:21:43 PM PDT by Slyfox (The Key to Marxism is Medicine ~ Vladimir Lenin)
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To: Daffynition

Breakdown of society. As planned. There is no right or wrong — there is just the big boss man.


8 posted on 03/20/2013 6:22:03 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The ballot box is a sham. Nothing will change until after the war.)
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9 posted on 03/20/2013 6:24:03 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: manc

Yep, you’ve got it. There’s no rule of law in America anymore. Just look at sanctuary cities, for example. This imbalance will ultimately lead to moral justification of vigilanteism.


10 posted on 03/20/2013 6:25:31 PM PDT by greene66
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To: Lurker

ah see here is the crux.

The feds right now with this admin only pick laws they want to enforce and then sue others who do enforce the laws they ignore.

Guns is not what they like so they want them banned even though it;s law to have them and it;s a constitutional right, some how the right to happiness to the founders wasn;t getting high or being a druggie , though I;m sure a liberal tarian will tell me other wise [yawn]


11 posted on 03/20/2013 6:27:06 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: greene66

they;re suing states which enforce their laws, ignore states which ignore their law on immigration and drugs, hell they even let illegals go and promote food stamps in Mexico.

We might as well close our neighborhoods, set up barricades and have states just leave the union now.
After all there is no laws


12 posted on 03/20/2013 6:28:50 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: manc

When law becomes “flexible,” we descend into the rule of men and not law.


13 posted on 03/20/2013 6:29:41 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I am a dissident. Will you join me? My name is John....)
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To: Cyber Liberty

a very good line, hope you do not mind me using this in the future


14 posted on 03/20/2013 6:34:30 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: manc

Indeed.


15 posted on 03/20/2013 6:34:51 PM PDT by Gator113 ( ~just keep livin~)
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To: Slyfox

I honestly don’t know if it will be any worse than a loud booze party at 3:00 AM — had to endure that a few weeks ago.

First legal MJ comes out here in WA at end of year — only 1 oz per person, no home growing and very expensive. Am curious to see how prevalent use really will be.

Anyone: Pardon my ignorance but is one ounce like one session for one person? I have no idea.


16 posted on 03/20/2013 6:36:15 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture™)
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To: Daffynition

Cool shot.


17 posted on 03/20/2013 6:37:04 PM PDT by Gator113 ( ~just keep livin~)
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To: manc

Sure. I doubt it’s my original....


18 posted on 03/20/2013 6:39:25 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I am a dissident. Will you join me? My name is John....)
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To: steve86
I have no idea either, but I smelled some bad stuff when I visited my sister in AZ. She is allergic to cigarette smoke and weed bothers her also. But, the smell was really bad even if she wasn't allergic to it. She called the cops and they went to see the perps.

I asked my sister if MJ becomes legal what would you do, you wouldn't be able to have the cops take care of it.

There's were we are headed. Soon enough we will be fighting city hall to pass bad stench ordinances.

What happened to the old adage about do what you wanna do as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else?

19 posted on 03/20/2013 6:49:31 PM PDT by Slyfox (The Key to Marxism is Medicine ~ Vladimir Lenin)
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To: Slyfox

It depends on how much you’re forced to inhale. You might find that you need to buy munchies. ;>)

Just because it’s legal doesn’t mean that you should be forced to breath that crap... I’d either tell them to knock it off or call the cops. They will likely treat it like a loud music complaint.

Fortunately, I live in the sticks, so I don’t have to worry about it blowing onto my property.


20 posted on 03/20/2013 6:51:17 PM PDT by Gator113 ( ~just keep livin~)
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To: steve86
An ounce would last awhile. It's 28 grams, and someone smoking a gram a day would be pretty much high all the time.

A more casual smoker could probably make it last a couple months.

21 posted on 03/20/2013 6:52:36 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (So?)
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To: Slyfox

my friend who works in drug court says that marijuana these days is much stronger than it used to be. “This is not your father’s marijuana.”

So how stoned would someone get on one ounce? Would you get arrested for smoking one ounce of the new marijuana, but with the old-time stuff you could smoke two ounces? Where will it be sold? Will there be brand names? Advertising? Point-of-sale posters and other marketing aids? Who are the distributors? The state?

Will there be tests like breatholators for overconsumption? What will they measure?

What a mess, so many ways this can be done wrong.


22 posted on 03/20/2013 6:59:30 PM PDT by Veto! (Opinions freely expressed as advice)
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To: Gator113
Just because it’s legal doesn’t mean that you should be forced to breath that crap...

Well, the way ObamScare was thought up, you know, mandatory that we pay for other people's birth control including abortion.

It is possible that we will have to pay for other people's 'medicinal' mj.

Plus, boner problems and sex change operations.

Good Night, stop me before I croak!

23 posted on 03/20/2013 6:59:33 PM PDT by Slyfox (The Key to Marxism is Medicine ~ Vladimir Lenin)
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To: Veto!
Please see my post @ 23.

I am too verklempt.

24 posted on 03/20/2013 7:01:38 PM PDT by Slyfox (The Key to Marxism is Medicine ~ Vladimir Lenin)
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To: Daffynition

So are they going to force employers to have to hire the stoners?


25 posted on 03/20/2013 7:02:29 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Slyfox

We are certainly in trouble. Good Night.....


26 posted on 03/20/2013 7:06:11 PM PDT by Gator113 ( ~just keep livin~)
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To: Veto!
Where will it be sold? Will there be brand names? Advertising? Point-of-sale posters and other marketing aids? Who are the distributors? The state?

Yes to most of these questions, other than the distributor/sales, at least here in WA. The details are being worked out, including commercial growing permits, how much to grow in aggregate and how to price it (has to be high enough for the state to take a meaningful share of tax but not so high to lose many sales to the black market). Liquor sales just went from the state to private so I don't think marijuana will be sold by the state. Very likely some subset of the retail liquor distributors will get it. There has to be some identifying hologram or whatever on the package to distinguish it from black market. Maybe actual DNA identifiers later. State already has blood tests for DUI set up.

27 posted on 03/20/2013 7:15:55 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture™)
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To: Veto!

I read the same thing in an autobiography of a jazzman, who used to occasionally smoke reefers back in the 1930s. He tried marijuana on a lark decades later in life (1970s/80s, I think), and was absolutely floored at how more potent the strains had gotten. It scared the hell out of him, and he didn’t try it again.

Although, on the other hand, I always also recall my grandfather relating his first encounter with it. He never even heard of marijuana until he was about thirty years old, but he made a trip to Houston in the late-1920s or early-1930s, and saw some Mexican woman writhing in a gutter. Perplexed, he asked someone standing nearby, and found out she was all high from smoking reefers.


28 posted on 03/20/2013 7:16:03 PM PDT by greene66
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To: greene66
I read the same thing in an autobiography of a jazzman, who used to occasionally smoke reefers back in the 1930s. He tried marijuana on a lark decades later in life (1970s/80s, I think), and was absolutely floored at how more potent the strains had gotten. It scared the hell out of him, and he didn’t try it again.

Getting old is a bitch. Grampa doesn't like roller coasters anymore, either.

Doesn't change the fact that the WOD has screwed up the country more than it's helped it.

29 posted on 03/20/2013 7:22:29 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: greene66

Interesting. I guess it’s getting stronger all the time, and not in a good way. Traffic accidents and crime rates will go up.


30 posted on 03/20/2013 7:25:39 PM PDT by Veto! (Opinions freely expressed as advice)
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To: steve86

Thanks for all that info.

I bet if we dug down to the roots of manufacturing, sale and distribution, we’d find tobacco companies. They’ve lost sales in the last decade, have knowledge and equipment to grow and process marijuana cigarettes. If indeed, it will be in cigarette form. Do you know?

Or does grannie have to roll her own?


31 posted on 03/20/2013 7:30:46 PM PDT by Veto! (Opinions freely expressed as advice)
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To: greene66

I would think it’s more likely for a person in a gutter to be drunk than stoned but certainly can’t talk from experience. Is a semi-comatose or confusional state common? Wonder if this involved some degree of ataxia?

Once marijuana becomes available here I certainly will be on the lookout for people writhing in gutters, and if it seems safe might ask one what led to their being there.


32 posted on 03/20/2013 7:32:50 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture™)
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To: Veto!

I think so too. More traffic deaths, more crime, more creepy dopeheads hanging around in public. Another step down into the degenerate cultural sewer that America has become.


33 posted on 03/20/2013 7:34:48 PM PDT by greene66
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To: steve86

I’m just relating what my grandfather told me, regarding his first ‘encounter’ with it. She might have been boozed up too. Whatever the case, it certainly left an impression on him, and probably solidified his notion of dope and the dregs of society going hand-in-hand. Which is a contention I pretty much share.


34 posted on 03/20/2013 7:38:41 PM PDT by greene66
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To: Veto!

They are considering building huge greenhouse-type structures adjacent to the hop fields near Yakima. There is water and plenty of sun six months of the year. I believe the crop has to be grown in state and none can be exported. Tobacco, of course, wouldn’t do so well here so there is no tobacco company presence.

The preliminary product depictions I’ve seen were baggie-type things that are imprinted with the state’s seal. They were also discussing something like brownies or cookies. If I ever tried it, one of those would probably be my choice. Probably only once as $5 cookies or whatever wouldn’t last long in my budget.

No idea if there will eventually be marijuana cigarettes. I don’t think the state knows yet. They just hired their primary consultant for business strategy as well as agricultural and distribution aspects. There’s a whole lot to do by December on this when you consider how long the state takes to get anything done (no problem for the black market).


35 posted on 03/20/2013 7:42:26 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture™)
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To: steve86

They also don’t even know where they will get the seeds yet for the first crop. That is kind of a difficult legal problem for the state.


36 posted on 03/20/2013 7:45:31 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture™)
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To: steve86

Speaking for some former associatess, pot was usually purchased in 1/8 and 1/4 ounce bags, or grams. A gram was good for 3-6 doobies, depending on how fresh the weed and how good the roller.

3.5 grams/eighth. Do your own math.


37 posted on 03/20/2013 7:51:02 PM PDT by Don W (There is no gun problem, there is a lack of humanity problem!)
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To: steve86
Anyone: Pardon my ignorance but is one ounce like one session for one person? I have no idea.

A single oz would get a hardcore pot smoker high all day every day for a few weeks.
38 posted on 03/20/2013 8:18:25 PM PDT by fr_freak
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To: Slyfox
She is allergic to cigarette smoke and weed bothers her also. But, the smell was really bad even if she wasn't allergic to it. She called the cops and they went to see the perps.
I asked my sister if MJ becomes legal what would you do, you wouldn't be able to have the cops take care of it.


Come on now, would she call the cops of someone were smoking a stogie? Strong smell is a pretty poor excuse for getting bent out of shape over pot (if it were legal). What about backyard BBQs, mulch piles for gardens, etc.? The only real solution, for someone who demands a smell-free environment, is to get a house out in the middle of nowhere where no neighbors bother you.
39 posted on 03/20/2013 8:23:05 PM PDT by fr_freak
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To: dfwgator
So are they going to force employers to have to hire the stoners?

Last election cycle, we had a proposition here in CA to legalize pot, but it had a provision in it to prevent "discrimination" against pot smokers in employment and some other areas. I believe that is why it failed to pass. I, myself, voted against it for that reason. I'm cool with legalization, but I also think that employers should be able to say "you're fired" to pot smokers if they want. Of course, I think that employers should be able to say "you're fired" to anyone, at any time, for any reason they choose.
40 posted on 03/20/2013 8:27:09 PM PDT by fr_freak
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To: Slyfox
Well, I just happen to know where there is a sizeable stash of fireworks.

*Honey, isn't it a nice night to light up the sky?*


41 posted on 03/20/2013 8:32:34 PM PDT by Daffynition (The essential American soul is hard, isolate, stoic, and a killer. It has never yet melted. — D.H.)
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To: dfwgator
I can imagine special programs that will retrain the dogs. And the dogs need handlers, right? So we'll need legislation and billions for rehab sessions for both hoomans and canines with PostTraumticDrugSniffingDisorder [PTDSD]


42 posted on 03/20/2013 8:42:53 PM PDT by Daffynition (The essential American soul is hard, isolate, stoic, and a killer. It has never yet melted. — D.H.)
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To: steve86

>>as that would likely lead to unwarranted investigatory detentions of people who are not breaking any law,<<

Since when did this stop cops from illegal search and seizures? ...or being at the wrong house?


43 posted on 03/20/2013 8:45:23 PM PDT by Daffynition (The essential American soul is hard, isolate, stoic, and a killer. It has never yet melted. — D.H.)
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To: manc; Cyber Liberty; greene66
WA, CO ignore federal law and the feds too ignore this and say they have bigger fish to fry

OK got it, what ever goes , then goes, no rule of law then

How will you react when, say, Texas ignores a new federal gun law?

44 posted on 03/21/2013 7:47:45 AM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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To: Veto!; greene66
Traffic accidents and crime rates will go up.

Available research shows that the first effect of marijuana on driving is to make the driver more careful in order to compensate for their impairment, which is not (for wahtever reason) the case with drinkers. And crime went down when the mind-altering drug alcohol was legalized; there's no reason to expect it to go up here.

45 posted on 03/21/2013 7:53:54 AM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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To: Veto!; Slyfox
my friend who works in drug court says that marijuana these days is much stronger than it used to be. “This is not your father’s marijuana.”

So how stoned would someone get on one ounce? Would you get arrested for smoking one ounce of the new marijuana, but with the old-time stuff you could smoke two ounces?

It was never possible to smoke an ounce of marijuana worthy of the name (as opposed to ripoff ditchweed) in a single session; an ounce has always been good for several dozen joints, the more typical unit of consumption. And if the weed is more potent, one will smoke less to get the desired effect - just as a beer drinker who switches to liquor lowers his volume consumption.

What a mess, so many ways this can be done wrong.

Hard to do worse than the War on Marijuana, which only hyperinflated marijuana profits and channeled those profits into criminal hands. Our alcohol regulations may not be perfect, but they beat the Hell out of Prohibition.

46 posted on 03/21/2013 8:01:01 AM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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To: Veto!

I expect to be shouted down over this but how would they know how much ‘stronger’ it is? There were many strengths and varieties 35 years ago when I was in school.

Also nobody smokes a whole ounce in one sitting, it is a waste after you catch a buzz. Anything after that is wasted and you can not overdose on it!

Questions for LEOs / dog trainers: How much does it cost to train a dog? Can they be re-trained? Are they always ‘on-duty’ to alert for anything they’re trained to smell?

Just asking so please no flamings...


47 posted on 03/21/2013 8:21:10 AM PDT by BrandtMichaels
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

then I;ll cross that bridge when it happens but I won’t hold my breath.

You state you;re not a liberal-tarian, LOL

any kind of marriage, make all drugs legal like heroin,LSD

Nah you’re not in tune with the occupy radcial left there LOL


48 posted on 03/21/2013 8:22:39 AM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: manc
WA, CO ignore federal law and the feds too ignore this and say they have bigger fish to fry

OK got it, what ever goes , then goes, no rule of law then

How will you react when, say, Texas ignores a new federal gun law?

then I;ll cross that bridge when it happens

You can't predict how you'll react? I can predict how I'll react to states ignoring any unconstitutional federal law, be it gun or drug: "You go!"

You state you;re not a liberal-tarian, LOL

any kind of marriage,

I'm opposed to that.

make all drugs legal like heroin,LSD

Nah you’re not in tune with the occupy radcial left there LOL

Unlike Occupy, I'm against ALL utopian big-government programs - including the futile and counterproductive War on Drugs.

49 posted on 03/21/2013 8:29:58 AM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

The point was the arbitrary and inconsistent nature of enforcement of laws, which delegitimizes the government. Less and less reason to abide by laws. ANY laws. Whether it’s a state ignoring federal drug laws, or a doper who illegally lights up in a public park, or another guy who comes by and bashes the doper’s skull in.

As a Texan, I would obviously tell the federal government to go to hell regarding any new federal gun laws. Same with Obamacare. Same with EPA regulations. Considering the pathetic direction of the country, I’m within inches of becoming a big supporter of secession. But it’s not just due to federal overreach, but also to say good riddance to worthless, degenerate states that legitimize fag marriage and legalize dope.


50 posted on 03/21/2013 8:41:11 AM PDT by greene66
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