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Booted and banned: Former U.S. troops battle to come home
NBCNEWS.com ^ | March 19, 2013 | Bill Briggs

Posted on 03/20/2013 8:57:04 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana

The deportations of undocumented veterans may follow convictions of felonies such as homicides or sexual assaults, but, as Shagin said, “they don't have to be felonies at all. They often are misdemeanors or unclassified crimes. Of course, I don’t look at the crime. They were punished for the crimes, whatever they were. As veterans who served this country, they should not face deportation.

minor, minor, crimes can lead to deportation,” Shagin added. “Under U.S. immigration law, there are certain offenses

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ICE spokeswoman Ernestine Fobbs: "ICE carefully reviews any potential enforcement action involving a veteran. Prior to removing an alien with military service, agents must first receive authorization from senior leadership in a field office, following an evaluation by local counsel. ICE exercises prosecutorial discretion for members of the armed forces who have honorably served our country on a case-by-case basis when appropriate and (ICE) Director (John) Morton's June 2011 memo on prosecutorial discretion specifically identifies service in the U.S. military as a positive factor that should be considered when deciding whether prosecutorial discretion is appropriate.”

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Groups pushing to halt illegal immigration and stiffen border security, like the nonprofit Federation for American Immigrant Reform (FAIR), insist that veterans like Rebolledo and Barajas all agreed to a sacred accord when they crossed into U.S. soil: obey the laws or return to their places of origin.

“When you come to the United States as a legal immigrant, the bargain is you are not going to get into trouble. It’s a conditional agreement. We allow you to come here and pursue life, liberty and happiness and, in return, we expect you’re not going to commit felonies,” said Ira Mehlman, the spokesman for FAIR. “They served in the military but that doesn’t exempt one from complying with the law."

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; Mexico; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: deportation; government; illegalaliens; immigration; military; veterans
This was the law when I immigrated to the US in 1971.

I swore an oath that I agreed with the law and I signed a document that stated I understood that I would be deported for felonies and that I could be deported for misdemeanors. There was no exception for veterans.

I dont know if all these guys are immigrants or if some are illegal aliens. Their attorney, Shagin, mentions "undocumented veterans". If they are immigrants they agreed to the same laws I did.

As enlistees all these guys swore also to uphold the Constitution. Again as I did when I enlisted.

Where's the loyalty from them to the Constitution? Where's the loyalty from them to our country?

Each one committed crimes and were duly proscecuted and spent time in jail and then were deported. I'm not crying for their veteran status.

They had the same breaks and chances I've had for the 40+ years I've lived here.

1 posted on 03/20/2013 8:57:04 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Liz; AuntB; La Lydia; sickoflibs

As veterans who served this country, they should not face deportation.
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Veterans are not exempt from the law...

If they were immigrants they agreed to the laws when they came here..

If they are illegal aliens then “Adios”


2 posted on 03/20/2013 9:00:21 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana

“undocumented veterans” ???


3 posted on 03/20/2013 9:01:39 PM PDT by ConjunctionJunction
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To: Tennessee Nana

1. Do not come here illegally
2. Do not break the laws

seems simple

am I supposed to feel sorry for these people?


4 posted on 03/20/2013 9:02:32 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Tennessee Nana

Uh. How could you possibly get through MEPS as an illegal? You have to prove pretty much every facet of your life to get in, there’s no faking MEPS.


5 posted on 03/20/2013 9:10:03 PM PDT by FreedomStar3028
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To: Tennessee Nana; Liz; AuntB; La Lydia
RE :”As veterans who served this country, they should not face deportation.......
.......Veterans are not exempt from the law...”

How did they join the military if they were illegal?

Fraud?? ID theft? Perjury?

If they saved some lives or some heroic deed then that is special circumstances,but plenty of 'military' jobs are sitting around doing nothing.

6 posted on 03/20/2013 9:11:29 PM PDT by sickoflibs (O's sequester Apocalypse tour just proved why we need the 2nd amendment more than ever NOW!)
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To: GeronL

Yeppers youre suppose to cry buckets...

Heres a hanky and a box of tissues...

also they want benefits, medical etc

they want the money for their medical conditions..

not war wounds though..

None seem to have been in Iraq or Afghanistan...

One was in the service from 1995 to 2001...no wars then..

He doesnt sppear to have put in a claim for his bad knees after he got out and before he committed a crime..

He had 3 years before he was deported to file..


7 posted on 03/20/2013 9:12:05 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: FreedomStar3028

Beats me...

a couple of them said they came here as children with their families...

Maybe they graduated from a US high school and knew some English ???

Maybe they had phony SSN ???


8 posted on 03/20/2013 9:13:51 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana

bump


9 posted on 03/20/2013 9:13:58 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: ConjunctionJunction

Yeah

:)


10 posted on 03/20/2013 9:14:26 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: GeronL

GeronL: “am I supposed to feel sorry for these people?”

Perhaps, depending on the nature of their crimes and the quality of their service, but then the law needs to be enforced anyway.

When I was in the military, I had some people kicked out. I didn’t wish them any ill will at all. Some were simply not fit for service. That doesn’t mean I wasn’t sympathetic to their plight, but I still did what I thought was in the service’s best interest.


11 posted on 03/20/2013 9:14:42 PM PDT by CitizenUSA (Why celebrate evil? Evil is easy. Good is the goal worth striving for.)
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To: Tennessee Nana

Undocumented Veterans = Illegal Aliens

If they are really veterans....they would be documented...as in DD Form 214, for starters

But, hey, Rubio, Paul, GOP are gonna give them Amnesty anyway


12 posted on 03/20/2013 9:15:18 PM PDT by SeminoleCounty (GOP = Greenlighting Obama's Programs)
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To: CitizenUSA

Someone suggested in the Comments section that they might not have had honorable discharges..

that would stop them from getting benefits..

I think that a veteran has to be honorably discharged to get medical, claim disability benefits etc..

They may have been “booted” from the military before they were so called “booted” from the country...


13 posted on 03/20/2013 9:29:46 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana

Bosnia could be a possibility. Maybe.


14 posted on 03/20/2013 9:31:29 PM PDT by ConjunctionJunction
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To: Tennessee Nana

Right. We already have too many criminals in this country without bringing in foreign criminals too.


15 posted on 03/20/2013 9:31:41 PM PDT by Psiman (PS I am not a crackpot)
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HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? A tiny handful would be my guess. Serving soldiers and vets get to the head of the line in requesting citizenship. Why are these people not citizens? Could it be that they do not have honorable discharges?


16 posted on 03/20/2013 9:36:16 PM PDT by Godwin1
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To: Godwin1

in the Comments a guy who worked for the VA was crying over a homeless immigrant veteran he had worked with

the veteran had been in the military 18 years, was honorably discharged, committed a crime and was deported...

If he had wanted to be a citizen he could have after being in the US for a mere THREE years since he was still in the service...

I became an American citizen while I was in the service..

I wore my uniform to the ceremony...


17 posted on 03/20/2013 9:51:13 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana

Thank you for your service, Nana!


18 posted on 03/20/2013 10:09:29 PM PDT by ConjunctionJunction
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To: Tennessee Nana

Right. Illegals cannot enlist or serve. Green card holders can. Although they are here legally, Green Card holders are still subject to removal if convicted of a crime of “moral turpitude.” But if these guys served honorably, they would have been able to become citizens. Why did they not do so? This is why I think the media are making a big stink, over a tiny number of folks. In the best case, they were imprudent in not obtaining citizenship. In the worst case,they did not serve honorably and were thus ineligible to request citizenship.


19 posted on 03/20/2013 10:14:06 PM PDT by Godwin1
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To: Godwin1
But if these guys served honorably, they would have been able to become citizens.

Green card holders don't have to join the military to become citizens - they just have to have been resident in the country for 5 years. Are you sure that a veteran's naturalization application requires an honorable discharge?

20 posted on 03/20/2013 10:22:35 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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Are you sure that a veteran’s naturalization application requires an honorable discharge?
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Well it is proof the applicant is fit to be a citizen...

But just serving honorably will be accepted so the serviceman can be naturalized while he or she is still in the military..

and not committing crimes always helps..

to get a green card the immigrant had to have a clean record in the first place...

and that makes them eligible to join the military etc also...


21 posted on 03/20/2013 10:52:55 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana

My knee jerk reaction is to say, give ‘em a break! Their honorable service in our armed forces proves they deserve it. But remember, foreign mercenaries were the downfall of Rome.


22 posted on 03/20/2013 11:13:26 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: Tennessee Nana
Being a U.S. citizen or legal immigrant of the United States is one of the basic requirements to join the U.S. military.
23 posted on 03/21/2013 12:09:37 AM PDT by South40 (I Love The "New & Improved" Free Republic!)
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To: sickoflibs; Tennessee Nana

“How did they join the military if they were illegal?

Fraud?? ID theft? Perjury? “

Yes, there are many in the military who are illegal using stolen ID.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2012/06/22/president-obama-mitt-romney-aim-help-illegal-service-members-who-shouldn-uniform/FAW5x8g0wvB1gaHNAjiXbO/story.html
Letting aliens in the military started under Bush. They came on temp visas, etc. Do you recall all the articles where gang bangers were just gang banging when they got in the army too?

It worked this way... let them join the military...keeps the numbers up in the service. The illegal aliens take the jobs that our young people would take if they could get them, but since aliens took them, they have no choice but go in the service.

Hey, someone has to fight the neocons/Obama wars.

2009 “Under a statute invoked in 2002 by the Bush administration, immigrants who serve in the military can apply to become citizens on the first day of active service, and they can take the oath in as little as six months.
.......Immigrants who are permanent residents, with documents commonly known as green cards, have long been eligible to enlist. But the new effort, for the first time since the Vietnam War, will open the armed forces to temporary immigrants if they have lived in the United States for a minimum of two years, according to military officials familiar with the plan. ....about 29,000 foreign-born people currently serving are not American citizens.” [snip] Last I saw, that was about 40,000.

Gang Activity in the U.S. Military
usmilitary.about.com/od/justicelawlegislation/a/gangs.htm -
According to a recently released FBI report, Gang-related activity in the US
military is increasing and poses a threat to law enforcement officials and national ..


24 posted on 03/21/2013 7:58:28 AM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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