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A Defeat for Demagogy - The failure of the "assault weapons" ban should make Americans proud.
Wall Street Journal ^ | March 20, 2013 | JAMES TARANTO

Posted on 03/20/2013 9:44:21 PM PDT by neverdem

"I don't have the words to describe the cowardice of Congress or the depravity of the gun lobby, which conspired to kill the assault-weapons ban," writes Ron Fournier of National Journal. We rate that statement PANTS ON FIRE, for Fournier turns out to be at anything but a loss for words.

"I can't explain the apparent impotence of President Obama who vowed to 'use whatever power this office holds' to convert the tragedy at Sandy Hook Elementary School into commonsense common good," Fournier continues. Apparently Fournier needs a refresher course in the separation of powers. "I'm Just a Bill," the "Schoolhouse Rock!" classic, is as pertinent today as it was 40 years ago.

Fournier goes on to quote what he laughably describes as a "must-read column" by wannabe-pundit sportswriter Mike Lupica of New York's Daily News:

Any fool knows that [Adam] Lanza couldn't possibly have killed as many children as quickly as he did on the morning of Dec. 14 without an assault weapon in his hands. So how does the president and any other big politician who allows the gun nuts from the National Rifle Association to win again answer the larger question about weapons that make killings like the elementary-school massacre ridiculously easy: If not now for a ban on these weapons, when?
The headline reads "Spineless Pols Spit on the Graves of Newtown Victims by Not Pushing for Assault Weapons Ban." Hillel the Elder this guy ain't.

This columnist takes considerable pleasure in these emotionally overwrought laments, which are a synecdoche for the failure of the entire post-Newtown gun-control effort. As Fournier puts it, Obama and his allies wished "to convert the tragedy . . . into commonsense common good." We disagree on the merits and would put it this way: They cynically sought to exploit...

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: assaultweaponsban; awb; banglist; guncontrol; secondamendment

1 posted on 03/20/2013 9:44:21 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

it’s not over.

this is just diversion. these people use the dialectic and the delphi techique all the friggin time. it’s not over.


2 posted on 03/20/2013 9:46:13 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Secret Agent Man
it’s not over.

I think it is. All of Reid's rats voted for Sotomayor and Kagan. That's plenty of damage already. Reid's not taking any more chances for a bill that will die in the House.

3 posted on 03/20/2013 9:52:37 PM PDT by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem

No, I’m not proud because it has just begun.

What Idiot wrote this?


4 posted on 03/20/2013 9:56:54 PM PDT by foundedonpurpose (It's time for a fundamental restoration, of our country's principles!)
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To: neverdem

If the economy was booming, the US was on top of the world, no major threats, Americans would have given up their AW after Sandy Hook much easier then now. Americans on Main Street sense we are on unsteady ground. Economy has not recovered (2 percent growth with 3 percent growth in population). Gov debt is piling higher and higher. It is just a matter of time before SHTF, and people want guns available as Plan B.


5 posted on 03/20/2013 9:57:29 PM PDT by Fee
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To: Secret Agent Man

Right, the b***ards will never give up. What’s most got my attention about this latest effort to strip Americans of their 2nd Amendment rights is the wholesale, orchestrated demonization of the Framers themselves. I’ve seen it before, but never to this extent. It’s unprecedented. When the rats do that, you can bet they are gearing up to upset the whole constitutional apple cart and dump us all into the street without any constitutional protections whatsoever. The commie menace isn’t far off, as it used to be. It’s at our door and trying to kick it down as we speak.


6 posted on 03/20/2013 10:01:07 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: Fee

“If the economy was booming, the US was on top of the world, no major threats, Americans would have given up their AW after Sandy Hook much easier then now. Americans on Main Street sense we are on unsteady ground. Economy has not recovered (2 percent growth with 3 percent growth in population). Gov debt is piling higher and higher. It is just a matter of time before SHTF, and people want guns available as Plan B.”

Bingo! But please don’t bunch liberal morons who voted for Klownie the Kenyan with the rest of Americans. They deserve every suffering that’s coming to them..


7 posted on 03/20/2013 10:01:39 PM PDT by max americana (Make the world a better place by punching a liberal in the face)
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To: Fee

It is just a matter of time before SHTF, and people want guns available as Plan B.


And Law Enforcement had better have some serious discussions with the gun grabbing politicians. LE wants us, the law abiding gun owners, on their side.


8 posted on 03/20/2013 10:02:46 PM PDT by laplata
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To: Secret Agent Man

Not. Over. It will show up as an amendment on the reconcilliation bill. As usual the stupid party will cave.


9 posted on 03/20/2013 10:03:02 PM PDT by Drill Thrawl (The Progs are pushing for war. Be ready.)
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To: neverdem

They aren’t done.
This is a headfake.
Smoke and mirrors.
They will never stop until the private ownership of any firearm is a felony. Until the possession of ammo means 5 years in the pen.
If they get the House and Senate in 2014 its all over.
I’m serious. They will ban most firearms and register all the rest.
Obama, Reid and Pelosi will slam it home just like Obamacare.
They will retire to a life luxury having done their progressive duty.


10 posted on 03/20/2013 10:03:14 PM PDT by servo1969
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To: servo1969

Please see my Post # 8


11 posted on 03/20/2013 10:04:58 PM PDT by laplata
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To: Secret Agent Man

There will be an effort to attach the ban to an all or nothing coninuing resolution that will result in dead puppies, snarfblats breeding strangely and such, should it fail.

The GOP will have no other choice but to do the work of the people and keep the lights on....

Same poop, different pooper. Oh and it will be done mid holiday weekend at about 3 AM.


12 posted on 03/20/2013 10:15:01 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: foundedonpurpose

Hello? Was that a forest that just went by? This, as you say, is only the beginning of an all out “assault” on our rights. King hussein ain’t done yet. Stay vigilant my friends.


13 posted on 03/20/2013 10:15:59 PM PDT by rktman (BACKGROUND CHECKS? YOU FIRST MR. PRESIDENT!(not that we'd get the truth!))
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To: rktman

There are just to many nice government tree’s !


14 posted on 03/20/2013 10:24:44 PM PDT by foundedonpurpose (It's time for a fundamental restoration, of our country's principles!)
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To: neverdem

They will still get their universal background checks and will soon go for registration and confiscation of certain classes and expand from there.


15 posted on 03/20/2013 10:34:58 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: neverdem

Ditto to those posters so far who recognize this crass bit of manipulation for what it is. There are many backroom meetings and deals yet to go. Any who believe themselves to be patriots will keep their wicks trimmed and powder dry.


16 posted on 03/20/2013 10:42:59 PM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: T-Bird45

CRAML ... Cleaned rifle and mags loaded


17 posted on 03/20/2013 10:46:23 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: laplata
This needs to be hollered from the mountaintops!

'If you’re the president, member of congress, govt. agent, etc, the only reason why anyone should listen to what you say, is because you exercise power via the Constitution'.

'If the Constitution doesn’t count, you don’t have any legitimate power, and should be (forcibly) removed for trying to exercise power you don’t possess'.

18 posted on 03/20/2013 10:58:22 PM PDT by Cololeo (`)
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To: Cololeo

Excellent!!!!!!!!

Thanks very much.

They work for us and need reminded of that fact. They should be fired if they don’t adhere to the constitution.


19 posted on 03/20/2013 11:02:55 PM PDT by laplata
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To: neverdem

We’ll have to Nuke it from orbit, just to be sure.

They will wait until they get the House back in 2014 and ram it through like Obamacare.

Non Compliance and Civil Disobedience will be the only options left for us.


20 posted on 03/20/2013 11:12:27 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (Compliance with Tyranny is Treason...)
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To: laplata

>”They should be fired if they don’t adhere to the constitution”<

If by “fired” you mean Hung until dead, I’m right there with you. Of course, you could just mean firing them by throwing them into an active Volcano.

Either way, I’m down with the struggle. (in my best Ghetto Rapper White Hut voice)


21 posted on 03/20/2013 11:16:52 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (Compliance with Tyranny is Treason...)
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To: Kickass Conservative

I can’t say what I’m thinking because they’d be at my door in 2 minutes.


22 posted on 03/20/2013 11:38:01 PM PDT by laplata
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To: neverdem

there was no failure... this was simply another push towards indoctrination. Every heavy push absorbs another percentage f the voting population and that is exactly how they have it planned. The knew from the beginning that atrocious bill could never pass and the commies were never willing to sacrifice seats in the house or senate for it either


23 posted on 03/20/2013 11:44:32 PM PDT by FunkyZero (... I've got a Grand Piano to prop up my mortal remains)
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To: Kickass Conservative
They will wait until they get the House back in 2014 and ram it through like Obamacare.

The chances of that are between slim and none for two reasons: House results in midterms during an administration's 2nd term and the redistricting done after the last census. The GOP will probably hold the House for a decade, IMHO.

24 posted on 03/21/2013 12:15:52 AM PDT by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: laplata

Having a gun is only half the right.


25 posted on 03/21/2013 12:35:10 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (Paul Ryan 2016)
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To: neverdem
Remember, Communism never flourished so much as it did after it was declared "dead".

Eternal vigilance....

No one's Rights are safe while the legislature is in session--and it's always in session.

26 posted on 03/21/2013 12:38:16 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: neverdem
Any fool knows that [Adam] Lanza couldn't possibly have killed as many children as quickly as he did on the morning of Dec. 14 without an assault weapon in his hands.

I guess I'm not "any fool". Lanza could have racked just as impressive a body count with a couple of three pound hammers. No one there could mount any effective opposition either way.

The people in that school were defenseless by law, and the fact was advertized.

27 posted on 03/21/2013 12:41:01 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: neverdem

Lyrics to I’m Just a Bill :
Boy: Woof! You sure got to climb a lot of steps to get to this Capitol Building here in Washington. But I wonder who that sad little scrap of paper is?

Bill: I’m just a bill
Yes, I’m only a bill
And I’m sitting here on Capitol Hill
Well, it’s a long, long journey
To the capital city
It’s a long, long wait
While I’m sitting in committee
But I know I’ll be a law someday
At least I hope and pray that I will
But today I am still just a bill

Boy: Gee, Bill, you certainly have a lot of patience and courage

Bill: Well I got this far. When I started, I wasn’t even a bill, I was just an idea. Some folks back home decided they wanted a law passed, so they called their local Congressman and he said, “You’re right, there ought to be a law.” Then he sat down and wrote me out and introduced me to Congress. And I became a bill, and I’ll remain a bill until they decide to make me a law.

I’m just a bill
Yes, I’m only a bill,
And I got as far as Capitol Hill
Well, now I’m stuck in committee
And I’ll sit here and wait
While a few key Congressmen discuss and debate
Whether they should let me be a law
How I hope and pray that they will
But today I am still just a bill

Boy: Listen to those congressmen arguing! Is all that discussion and debate about you?

Bill: Yeah, I’m one of the lucky ones. Most bills never even get this far. I hope they decide to report on me favorably, otherwise I may die.

Boy: Die?

Bill: Yeah, die in committee. Oh, but it looks like I’m going to live! Now I go to the House of Representatives, and they vote on me.

Boy: If they vote yes, what happens?

Bill: Then I go to the Senate and the whole thing starts all over again.

Boy: Oh no!

Bill: Oh yes!

I’m just a bill
Yes, I’m only a bill
And if they vote for me on Capitol Hill
Well, then I’m off to the White House
Where I’ll wait in a line
With a lot of other bills
For the president to sign
And if he signs me, then I’ll be a law
How I hope and pray that he will
But today I am still just a bill

Boy: You mean even if the whole Congress says you should be a law, the president can still say no?

Bill: Yes, that’s called a veto. If the President vetoes me, I have to go back to Congress and they vote on me again, and by that time you’re so old . . .

Boy: By that time it’s very unlikely that you’ll become a law. It’s not easy to become a law, is it?

Bill: No!

But how I hope and I pray that I will
But today I am still just a bill

Congressman: He signed you, Bill! Now you’re a law!

Bill: Oh yes!


28 posted on 03/21/2013 12:41:33 AM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

That’s true.


29 posted on 03/21/2013 1:04:23 AM PDT by laplata
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To: FunkyZero; All
“They have the guns and therefore we are for peace and for reformation through the ballot. When we have the guns then it will be through the bullet.”

Vladimir Ilyich Lenin

30 posted on 03/21/2013 1:39:12 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: neverdem
Americans should be very wary. While the "big bad assault weapon ban" is very publicly being swept off the table with one hand, magazine limits and a national firearms registration database is being put on the table with the other hand.

Once DiFi and her cronies have that list of who owns what, then they can begin their "Mr. and Mrs. America, turn 'em all in" campaign.

31 posted on 03/21/2013 2:09:20 AM PDT by Yo-Yo
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To: LibWhacker

“The commie menace isn’t far off, as it used to be. It’s at our door and trying to kick it down as we speak.”

It’s in the White Hut/Crib, US Congress, state houses, local towns. It’s been inside the gates for the past 20-30yrs, and has the power it’s sought. Look at the CPUSA ‘45 Goals”. How many have already been achieved? How few are left to go?

http://rense.com/general32/americ.htm


32 posted on 03/21/2013 3:30:28 AM PDT by carriage_hill (The Most Insidious Power The Corrupt, Criminal Media Has, Is The Power To Ignore The Truth.)
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To: Yo-Yo

“The failure of the “assault weapons” ban should make Americans proud.”...

This doesn’t make the proud at all. There should NEVER have even been any “Bill”. While there were no “assault” weapons banned, there certainly was considerable other crap that got through. We have a 2nd Ammendment to our Constitution. Unfortunatley the folks who pushed the bill trough, failed to read (or can’t understand).


33 posted on 03/21/2013 3:30:45 AM PDT by DaveA37
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To: neverdem

They pulled the AW Ban so as to make sure the rest of the gun bill goes through. Harry reed KNOWS incrementalism.


34 posted on 03/21/2013 3:36:28 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: neverdem

What did they enact in law while we were fighting this battle?


35 posted on 03/21/2013 3:42:50 AM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

“Having a gun is only half the right.”

We don’t need your weapon we got all the ammunition!

Ha Ha! Senator Di Feinstein, D California


36 posted on 03/21/2013 4:08:24 AM PDT by urbanpovertylawcenter (where the law and poverty collide in an urban setting and sparks fly)
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To: neverdem

What a bunch of crap. One little victory is not the end of a war. There is no pride in this. The Senate did what was correct and their job. This was put out to put people to sleep.


37 posted on 03/21/2013 4:25:17 AM PDT by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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To: neverdem
So, the gun-grabbers would prefer a 20-30 minute response time from good-guys with guns instead of an immediate response from good-guys with guns?

That is some pretty messed-up thinking there, Pal.

38 posted on 03/21/2013 4:44:21 AM PDT by JPG (Stay strong.)
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To: neverdem
The magazine ban would be far more onerous than an AW ban. I am a little concerned that I only hear about dropping the AW ban.

And universal background checks, which is de facto registration, is even worse.

39 posted on 03/21/2013 4:51:25 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (So?)
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To: neverdem

It won’t be over until these evil tyrants no longer have power, however that comes about.


40 posted on 03/21/2013 4:59:02 AM PDT by EricT. (The Republican Party is a friend to conservatives the way Pakistan is an ally in the War On Terror.)
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To: neverdem

We need to reclaim the language here. Lanza used a personal defense weapon in a way not intended. It’s not the tool, but the user that is evil.


41 posted on 03/21/2013 5:15:25 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: neverdem
Reid is doing his best to hide a dirty little secret, and in situations like this it's hard to keep that secret under wraps:

At the state level and below, most Democrats in office outside the Northeast and California know full well that they'd lose their next election if they ever signed on to the gun-grabbing agenda of the national Democratic Party.

42 posted on 03/21/2013 5:22:10 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I am the master of my fate ... I am the captain of my soul.")
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To: neverdem

“Any fool knows that [Adam] Lanza couldn’t possibly have killed as many children as quickly as he did on the morning of Dec. 14 without an assault weapon in his hands.”

So claims an idiot. One pistol with 5 ten round magazines and a locked room with 20-30 children would mean (20-30) dead children in a matter of minutes. It takes a split second to drop one magazine and insert another. So who is the fool Mr Lupica?


43 posted on 03/21/2013 5:34:09 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I sign up for the American Revolution 2013 and the Crusades 2013?)
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