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The Fort Hood Shooter Can't Dodge the Death Penalty
The Atlantic Wire ^ | March 20, 2013 | Adam Clark Estes

Posted on 03/21/2013 4:26:37 AM PDT by Zakeet

An Army judge in Texas just made a somewhat unconventional ruling in the trial of Fort Hood shooter Maj. Nidal Hasan: She refused to let him plead guilty. Why? It would enable him to avoid execution. Apparently, the Army would not be satisfied to see this alleged mass murderer simply go to jail for a few decades. It appears the prosecution is out for blood.

The situation is a little bit dicey, when you think about it. After Hasan's lawyers made it very clear that Hasan would plead guilty in order to avoid the death penalty, Col. Tara Osborn made it very clear that that wasn't going to happen on Wednesday when she ruled out any guilty pleas. Since it's against Army rules to plead guilty to a capital offense, the defense abandoned its original plan of pleading guilty to 13 counts of premeditated murder and instead asked the court to allow Hasan to plead guilty to 13 counts of unpremeditated murder, a charge that does not carry the death penalty. On Wednesday, the judge said no way since that "would be the functional equivalent of pleading guilty to a capital offense." Ditto to pleading guilty to the 32 counts of attempted premeditated murder. That would complicate a not guilty plea to the murder charges.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aidandcomfort; alqaeda; alwaida; domesticterrorism; enemyagent; fifthcolumn; forthood; friendsofobama; islam; military; nidalhasan; nidalhasantrial; traitor; treason; waronterror

This nice Muzzie isn't quite ready for his 72 virgins ... probably because the nitwits in the Obama administration determined that he was the perpetrator of workplace violence and therefore didn't commit an act of Islamic terrorism!

1 posted on 03/21/2013 4:26:38 AM PDT by Zakeet
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To: Zakeet

Why is he allowed to have a beard? It would be a shame if the razor slipped.


2 posted on 03/21/2013 4:30:50 AM PDT by novascotianative
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To: Zakeet
Typical islamist stare
3 posted on 03/21/2013 4:39:47 AM PDT by Robe (Rome did not create a great empire by talking, they did it by killing all those who opposed them)
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To: Zakeet

this case should be have been completed 3 days after the shooting was done. the muzzie piece of dog excrement should have executed the same way he executed his victims. lets end this case now blow the ......’.head off.


4 posted on 03/21/2013 4:44:19 AM PDT by hondact200 (Candor dat viribos alas (sincerity gives wings to strength) and Nil desperandum (never despair))
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To: Zakeet

Brick Top (Lock, Stock, and Two Barrels)

You’re always gonna have problems lifting a body in one piece. Apparently the best thing to do is cut up a corpse into six pieces and pile it all together. And when you got your six pieces, you gotta get rid of them, because it’s no good leaving it in the deep freeze for your mum to discover, now is it? Then I hear the best thing to do is feed them to pigs. You got to starve the pigs for a few days, then the sight of a chopped-up body will look like curry to a pisshead. You gotta shave the heads of your victims, and pull the teeth out for the sake of the piggies’ digestion. You could do this afterwards, of course, but you don’t want to go sievin’ through pig shit, now do you? They will go through bone like butter. You need at least sixteen pigs to finish the job in one sitting, so be wary of any man who keeps a pig farm. They will go through a body that weighs 200 pounds in about eight minutes. That means that a single pig can consume two pounds of uncooked flesh every minute. Hence the expression, “as greedy as a pig”.

Any votes on this sentence being used?


5 posted on 03/21/2013 4:51:08 AM PDT by BCW (http://babylonscovertwar.com/index.html)
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To: novascotianative
Beard? Because he is SPECIAL.


"Army Major (Hasan) Played Role in Presidential (Obama) Transition"

6 posted on 03/21/2013 4:55:12 AM PDT by Diogenesis (De Oppresso Liber)
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To: Zakeet

His victims couldn’t dodge the death penalty either.


7 posted on 03/21/2013 4:55:31 AM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: hondact200

Just. Kill. Him.

I’ll do it for N/C w/ a 230gr .45cal ACP, at my own expense.


8 posted on 03/21/2013 4:55:41 AM PDT by carriage_hill (The Most Insidious Power The Corrupt, Criminal Media Has, Is The Power To Ignore The Truth.)
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To: hondact200
He was shot and paralyzed, so I'm willing to make some accommodations for him, but it shouldn't have taken this long to build a gallows with a wheelchair ramp and handicapped accessible trap door.
9 posted on 03/21/2013 4:56:16 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Choose one: the yellow and black flag of the Tea Party or the white flag of the Republican Party.)
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To: Zakeet

This case has been put off way too long already.

It will be interesting to see how Obama gets this guy away from a firing squad.


10 posted on 03/21/2013 4:58:40 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: Zakeet

And what do those who kept him in position plead?

They knew he was in contact with Al Qaeda and making death threats “cut off the heads of the infidel!” in public yet protected him for politically correct reasons.

Their support led to an act of domestic terrorism and they must be held accountable. NO RETIREMENT PENSION BENEFITS. And can Nasan’s pay be docked after he’s been found guilty as charged?


11 posted on 03/21/2013 5:07:58 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: Zakeet
It appears the prosecution is out for blood.

It's called justice. He deserves nothing less.

12 posted on 03/21/2013 5:13:20 AM PDT by showme_the_Glory (ILLEGAL: prohibited by law. ALIEN: Owing political allegiance to another country or government)
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To: Robe
Typical islamist stare

Yep.

Dark Knight killer James Holmes 'is now a Muslim who prays five times a day' (20 March 2013 Daily Mail)

"...believing he was on his own personal jihad and that his victims were infidels..."

13 posted on 03/21/2013 5:19:04 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: a fool in paradise

Wonder how he is spending his “pay”? Let him repay the cost of all the funerals he caused and if there is anything left over give it to the victims familes.

A simpler solution would have been let Texas try him for the civilian death. Only problem with that is the system, dictated by the federal government, requires years of delays before the execution.

But remember, if the federal government wants the job done quickly they can. Example: Mcveigh


14 posted on 03/21/2013 5:19:13 AM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: Zakeet
“Disciple of Muslim Terrorist can't dodge death penalty”

IF media were capable of reporting the truth.....

15 posted on 03/21/2013 5:21:40 AM PDT by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: Texas Fossil

Obama didn’t even give Momar Gaddafi the benefit of a trial before ushering his Islamist buddies into power in Libya. Sec. of State Hillary Clinton boasted “WE came, WE saw, HE DIED!!!”


16 posted on 03/21/2013 5:23:17 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: a fool in paradise

Yep, and Holder would not answer the question if Obozo could call for a drone strike within the US to kill a US Citizen on our soil. At first he said he had the authority.

He and his supporters clearly think they are not bound by the rule of Law and the political establishment in Washington DC seem to agree.

Remember, he “Won”.

FUBO


17 posted on 03/21/2013 5:28:33 AM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: novascotianative

I want to know why KSM is still alive

He should have been found guilty and executed 6 months after he was caught and the last bit of info was taken from him.


18 posted on 03/21/2013 5:29:45 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: Zakeet

He’s been dodging it for years now.

==

Maybe, eventually.

Maybe, eventually, he will be hit in the head by a falling meteorite.

Maybe, eventually, he will drop dead of a heart attack.

Currently, he is still managing to wiggle through legalistics and keep breathing.


19 posted on 03/21/2013 5:37:21 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: Zakeet
Apparently, the Army would not be satisfied to see this alleged mass murderer simply go to jail for a few decades

Nor me, either.

20 posted on 03/21/2013 5:38:36 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: KarlInOhio

Death by hanging is what Malik Hasan fears the most. Muzzies believe that the noose around the neck prevents the jihadi’s soul from escaping the body & ascending to paradise, and sentences it to rot in the ground as well.

Anyway, a long, drawn-out trial by court-martial is the only chance that justice will be done for the victims and their family members, as it will force the killing of each victim to be made a matter of record as an individual act of murder.

But as I’ve believed since the massacre happened & the absurd “workplace violence” report was issued, a full-blown court-martial will put Hasan’s entire chain of command on trial clear up to the Secy Army & maybe the POTUS himself. It will also give legal standing to the family members to unleash a blizzard of wrongful death civil suits.

Department of Defense’s best hope is that Hasan dies mysteriously in prison. Problem solved, unter der rug geschwept.


21 posted on 03/21/2013 5:40:40 AM PDT by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam.")
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To: Diogenesis

Seen any pics of the Dark Knight shooter lately? He too is now special—a prison convert to Islam now sports a beard and claims those he killed were all infidels(did he check their religious chit? before he pulled the trigger? but the religion protected by our Govt. (Islam) will bite America in the behind before theyare done exacting Jizya.


22 posted on 03/21/2013 5:57:10 AM PDT by StonyBurk (ring)
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To: carriage_hill
Just. Kill. Him.
Public. Hanging.
23 posted on 03/21/2013 6:04:36 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: KarlInOhio

I had forgotten he was shot an paralyzed. Didn’t the LEO who shot him later lose her job?


24 posted on 03/21/2013 6:08:38 AM PDT by ladyjane (For the first time in my life I am not proud of my country.)
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To: Zakeet

Where’s the guy who took care of Dauhmer?

Please pick up the courtesy phone.

Notice how none of our perfumed military princes are outraged by this justice-denied. Speaks volumes.

See tagline for additional illumination.


25 posted on 03/21/2013 6:11:59 AM PDT by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: oh8eleven

That’ll work just fine. 4yrs of BS-delays are beyond intolerable for the families of those brave, murdered and wounded US Soldiers.


26 posted on 03/21/2013 6:14:32 AM PDT by carriage_hill (The Most Insidious Power The Corrupt, Criminal Media Has, Is The Power To Ignore The Truth.)
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To: elcid1970

The government uses lethal injection now, not hanging.


27 posted on 03/21/2013 6:15:33 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: exit82
Notice how none of our perfumed military princes are outraged by this justice-denied. Speaks volumes.

The flip side is that a general going on a rant about hanging him like we do could screw up the prosecution or provide an excuse for appeal, so I would expect both the real generals and the perfumed princes to remain silent on this. Although there might be blood from the real generals' mouths from having to bite their tongues.

28 posted on 03/21/2013 6:18:00 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Choose one: the yellow and black flag of the Tea Party or the white flag of the Republican Party.)
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To: carriage_hill
I’ll do it for N/C w/ a 230gr .45cal ACP, at my own expense.

Too quick, too painless. I've seen scaphism referred to here on FR several times in the past. I think it would do nicely in this situation.

29 posted on 03/21/2013 6:19:48 AM PDT by IYAS9YAS
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To: DoodleDawg
The government uses lethal injection now, not hanging.

So what does the Koran say about death by poison? Hopefully it's on the same level as eaten by pigs.

30 posted on 03/21/2013 6:21:19 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Choose one: the yellow and black flag of the Tea Party or the white flag of the Republican Party.)
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To: Texas Fossil
But remember, if the federal government wants the job done quickly they can. Example: McVeigh.

McVeigh was caucasian, male. Big difference.

Had he been black and/or muzzie, he would still be in the appellate process.

31 posted on 03/21/2013 6:24:33 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (_.. ._. .. _. _._ __ ___ ._. . ___ ..._ ._ ._.. _ .. _. .)
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To: IYAS9YAS

More appropriate; you’re right. But with a single shot, it’s over and the commie ACLU etc can’t do squat. Besides, that POS ain’t getting 72 raisins/virgins, or whatever; he’s getting the same river/lake of burning sulfur in hell that Chavez etc is going thru for all eternity.


32 posted on 03/21/2013 6:28:58 AM PDT by carriage_hill (The Most Insidious Power The Corrupt, Criminal Media Has, Is The Power To Ignore The Truth.)
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To: elcid1970

I did not know that. Perhaps that’s why Saddam Hussein was so adamant about getting a firing squad instead of his ultimate destiny: swinging from the end of a rope. Sweet Dreams, Pres. Saddam.


33 posted on 03/21/2013 6:31:58 AM PDT by Ax
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To: Zakeet

A plea of unpremeditated murder would not fit the crime.

Clearly this crime was premeditated. He thought about it, planned for it, and had his reasons for it.


34 posted on 03/21/2013 6:36:50 AM PDT by Haiku Guy (If you have a right / To the service I provide / I must be your slave)
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To: a fool in paradise

Hasan’s pay will come to an end after his conviction. But since his arrest, he has collected well over $250,000 in pay from the U.S. Army. As to retirement benefits, I wouldn’t worry about that; even if he escapes the death penalty, Hasan will be dismissesd from service as part of his conviction (the officer equivalent of a bad conduct discharge). So, if he ever regains his freedom, he won’t have an Army pension check to fall back on.

It is worth noting that some officers have dodged the dismissal bullet in non-capital offense cases. In the most infamous example, Air Force Colonel Michael Murphy, director of the Air Force Legal Operations Agency, was found guilty on various counts related to his lack of a law license during much of his Air Force career.

However, a military judge determined that since the White House (where Murphy once served) refused to release details of his service, the defense team could not present the “good airman defense.” Consequently, Murphy could not be sent to jail or dismissed from service, even if convicted. As a result, Murphy retired from the Air Force as a 1st Lieutenant, the last grade at which he served “honorably.”

In a second outrageous example, another Air Force Colonel was convicted (back in the early 90s) on charges stemming from his organization of a swinger’s club. At his courts-martial, it was revealed that the Colonel organized orgies at his home and other locations. His many “lovers” included a male NCO in his command; a female SSgt that worked for him, and a female officer as well. Apparently, the missus had no problem with his recreational activities, since she was a participant as well.

Cutting to the chase, the Colonel was convicted on various fraternization and adultery charges and sentenced to one year at hard labor at Leavenworth. But since his sentence did not include “dismissal from service,” he emerged from the disciplinary barracks with pension and full retirement benefits. Twenty years later, he is running a major non-profit in a southwestern city, with an annual salary well north of $300,000 a year.

Hasan’s conviction is a slam dunk, and hopefuly, th judge will order some form of restitution. But as you probably know, offenders virtually never make any payments to the victims and their families. Hasan lived very frugally before the attack, so he probably has quite a bit of money stashed away. But the odds of any of it going to his victims are virtually zero.

And, as you observe, the senior Army leaders who ignored the obvious warning signs were allowed to continue their careers or retire with full benefits. It’s how the feds operate. How many intel officials were held accountable afer 9-11? Zero. How many Fannie and Freddie executives were sent to jail for their role in the sub-prime housing collapse that triggered the Great Recession? Zero. And more recently, how many Obama officials are facing sanctions for Benghazi? See a pattern?


35 posted on 03/21/2013 6:39:06 AM PDT by ExNewsExSpook
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To: Texas Fossil

McVeigh waived his appeals, as I recall.


36 posted on 03/21/2013 6:59:55 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: DuncanWaring

Thanks for that info. Seems I remember that after you reminded me.

The Ft. Hood Muzzie will not do that. There is something very wrong with a legal system that shelters that vermin. I know the rules must fit every case, but this is a clear in our face insult.


37 posted on 03/21/2013 7:09:56 AM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: Graybeard58

Yep, you’re probably right. Some animals are more equal than others.


38 posted on 03/21/2013 7:15:40 AM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: Zakeet

The Army death penalty is meaningless, because it is never carried out. If the Army is serious about him meeting his maker, they will just give him a normal criminal sentence—then turn him over to the state of Texas for a trial over the Texas civilians he killed.

Anyone doubt that Texas would execute him?


39 posted on 03/21/2013 7:34:03 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: KarlInOhio

40 posted on 03/21/2013 7:37:36 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have IngSoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Zakeet

Execution is too good for this piece of swine manure, but it is the best alternative we have. They will not allow us to inflict a slow, exruciating death on him like he deserves. I will volunteer to serve on the firing squad.

Better yet, some of the soldiers he wounded should be on his firing squad detail.


41 posted on 03/21/2013 7:38:28 AM PDT by RatRipper (Self-centeredness, greed, envy, deceit and lawless corruption has killed this once great nation.)
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To: DoodleDawg

Then Hasan should wish to hasten his own death & ascend to his 72 virgins posthaste, if the means of execution is not an issue. But he is determined to live.

What gives, O fearless jihadi disciple of Allah?


42 posted on 03/21/2013 7:44:42 AM PDT by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam.")
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To: Zakeet

From what I understand, the UCMJ doesn’t have a charge for terrorism. Because of that, he couldn’t be charged with it; since it doesn’t exist. As an active duty Major, and who committed a crime on post, he’s charge as a military man, under the UCMJ, not under civil criminal charges.

That’s why there is no “charge” of Terrorism, or Terrorist actions/threats, etc.


43 posted on 03/21/2013 8:17:36 AM PDT by ro_dreaming (G.K. Chesterton, “Christianity has not been tried and found wanting. It’s been found hard and lef)
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