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Drill To Prepare First Responders For The ‘Big One’ (CA)
CBSLA.com) ^ | March 21, 2013 6:58 AM

Posted on 03/21/2013 7:18:03 AM PDT by BenLurkin

LOS ANGELES (CBSLA.com) — First responders from across Los Angeles County are practicing for the “big one” Thursday in a drill designed to measure the response to a magnitude-7.8 earthquake.

The exercise is hosted by the Los Angeles County Office of Emergency Management and will take place downtown from 9 a.m. to 3 p.m.

“It’s our game day. The NCAA basketball tourney is starting, it’s their game day. It’s our game day for the Los Angeles County Chief Executive Offices, Office of Emergency Management,” Emergency Manager Kenneth Kondo told KNX1070.

This year’s functional exercise will feature the California Integrated Seismic Network’s Earthquake Early Warning Demonstration System and the participation of 53 city emergency operations centers, American Red Cross, Emergency Network Los Angeles, Southern California Edison and county departments like the Coroner, Fire, Health, Human Resources, Public Health and Sheriff.

The event will test and evaluate selected emergency functions and the interaction of various levels of government, response organizations, volunteer groups, and industry in a simulated environment, officials said in a statement.

“When a catastrophic disaster takes place, we’re all in it together and we all gotta help each other,” Kondo said.

Safety officials recommend all residents have an emergency kit that includes a battery or hand crank radio, whistle and food and water to sustain themselves for several days.

For more information on how to prepare for disasters, visit http://lacoa.org and http://espfocus.org.


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1 posted on 03/21/2013 7:18:03 AM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: BenLurkin

March is disaster preparedness month. Our local concern includes the 9.0+ mega thrust eathquake. Lots of bad things are expected for us on the coast. Power, water roads all out for very long time. 1-2 years to restore drinking water.


2 posted on 03/21/2013 7:35:35 AM PDT by Cold Heart
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To: BenLurkin
"Safety officials recommend all residents have an emergency kit that includes a battery or hand crank radio, whistle and food and water to sustain themselves for several days."

"Several days"? If the San Andreas does its thing, you're going to need more than "several days". The potential for long-term disruption of supplies is a reality. Plus, no mention of self-defense when the "takers" start looting local inner-city stores shelves and go bare. Guess where they will head? This is my Prepping scenario.

Anyone who doesn't remember the LEOs backing out of the Rodney King riots weren't paying attention, and that was just because of a verdict. Imagine the confusion and desperation if the water lines, gas lines, power lines, food distribution lines and major trucking routes are broken. Not to mention the further destruction by the rioters when Uncle Nanny can't re-supply quickly enough. It will make Katrina and Storm Sandy look like inconveniences.

3 posted on 03/21/2013 7:38:29 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever)
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To: BenLurkin
What they really mean to say:

"Thanks to liberals and the government, citizens have been disarmed and pose little threat to us when the food and water run out! They will be whining and begging for a place under big government's wing like Hurricane Sandy victims and they will have to relinquish those arcane so-called constitutional rights"

4 posted on 03/21/2013 7:38:38 AM PDT by DCBryan1 (Dear Congress Critter: Help create jobs and support RKBA by repealing 18 USC 922 (o).)
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To: BenLurkin
What if the"big one" happens while they are practicing for the "big one"? would it screw things up so badly it would take longer to get it sorted out? I seem to recall that the day Doolittles raiders attacked Tokyo they had just concluded an air raid drill so that when the American planes came overhead nobody thought anything of it and it totally screwed up their response to the raid. Just a quirky thought.

CC

5 posted on 03/21/2013 7:39:50 AM PDT by Celtic Conservative (Hey liberals, what part of "unalienable" don't you understand?)
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To: appalachian_dweller; OldPossum; DuncanWaring; VirginiaMom; CodeToad; goosie; kalee; ...

Preppers’ PING!!


6 posted on 03/21/2013 8:09:55 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: BenLurkin

7 posted on 03/21/2013 8:10:15 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE?)
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To: A Navy Vet

Don’t you know if you store more than a ‘few’ days worth of preps you are a ‘tinfoil’ nut job? Just ask any lib and there are more than a few FReepers who will tell you the same thing.


8 posted on 03/21/2013 8:12:06 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: DCBryan1; Kartographer; blam; The Duke; ChocChipCookie; Marcella; JRandomFreeper; ...

March is Emergency Preparedness Month.


9 posted on 03/21/2013 8:15:24 AM PDT by Old Sarge (We are officially over the precipice, we just havent struck the ground yet...)
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To: Kartographer

If you like to join us ‘tinfoil’ nut jobs this post is for you.

Its your choice you can prep or you can stand around on a bridge waiting for FEMA to bring you a bottle of water, a MRE, a warm blanket and a kiss for your boo-boo and maybe you can even get your picture as you stand there on the national news.

Any one with half a brain can look arouns and see for themselves what is happening right before thier eyes. There’s a Great Storm coming you can feel it.
Listen to what the bible says: A prudent man sees danger and takes refuge, but the simple keep going and suffer for it. NIV Proverbs 22:3

One of the things Selco covers in this article is the fact that many will not accept that a breakdown is occurring even as they watch it happening before their eyes. Why don’t they realize it? It’s caused by a condition called ‘Normalcy Bias’ a mental state people enter when facing a disaster.

It causes people to underestimate both the possibility of a disaster occurring and its possible effects. This often results in situations where people fail to adequately prepare for a disaster, and on a larger scale, the failure of governments to include the populace in its disaster preparations. The assumption that is made in the case of the normalcy bias is that since a disaster never has occurred then it never will occur. It also results in the inability of people to cope with a disaster once it occurs. People with a normalcy bias have difficulties reacting to something they have not experienced before. People also tend to interpret warnings in the most optimistic way possible, seizing on any ambiguities to infer a less serious situation.

A good article on ‘Normalcy Bias’ is on our own ChocChipCookies Blog The Survival Mom:

http://thesurvivalmom.com/2010/12/29/normalcy-bias/

You either prepare and stand on your own beholden to no one or you become dependent on others to provide your basic needs and become their ‘serf’. Me I don’t want to be beholden to anyone for providing what is needed for me and mine. I certainly don’t want to have to kiss some ‘gubberment’ third class bureaucratic to try and coax some help from them, I don’t want some ‘jack booted’ thug herding me in line and telling me where to stand, sit, eat or sleep. And last but not least I don’t want to be shut up in with a bunch of ‘zombies’ and have to worry about not only trying to get basic necessities but having to fight to keep what I manage to get.

For those who are just starting or are old hands at prepping you may find my Preparedness Manual helpful. You can download it at:

http://tomeaker.com/kart/Preparedness1j.pdf NOTE! THIS IS A FREE DOWNLOAD. I DO NOT MAKE ONE CENT OFF MY PREPAREDNESS MANUAL!

For those of you who haven’t started already it’s time to prepare almost past time maybe. You needed to be stocking up on food guns, ammo, basic household supplies like soap, papergoods, cleaning supplies, good sturdy clothes including extra socks, underwear and extra shoes and boots, cash (I myself have been putting up change for the past few years both for the metal content and the fact that using change places to make what purchases you can will move you down the the list of possible marks during shtf), tools, things you buy everyday start buying two and put one up.

As the LDS say “When the emergency is upon us the time for preparedness has past.”

Again I like to recomend FReeper’s ChocoChipCookie Blog The Survival Mom (Please Blog Police let this one slide!) Where you can get lots of useful information like:

http://thesurvivalmom.com/2011/11/20/8-morale-boosters-for-any-worst-case-scenario/

http://thesurvivalmom.com/2010/02/02/survival-priorities-the-rule-of-three/

And More

Also there is Ferfal’s Blog a survivor of Argentina’s first collapse:

http://ferfal.blogspot.com/

And there is Selco’s Blog a Bosnian War survivor at:

http://shtfschool.com/

“There is no greater disaster than to underestimate danger. Underestimation can be fatal.”


10 posted on 03/21/2013 8:18:32 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: BenLurkin

I HOPE that the “Big One” slides LA and San Fruitcisco into the Pacific.


11 posted on 03/21/2013 9:03:06 AM PDT by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: US Navy Vet

And FLATTENS Sacramento.


12 posted on 03/21/2013 9:04:36 AM PDT by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: BenLurkin
If they're smart, they'll be stocking up and planning for a whole lot more than "several days" of inconvenience waited on by helpful first responders, accompanied with their own handy whistles, a battery radio, a few bottles of Evian water and cans of cold ravioli with Ritz crackers, followed up by a street party to eat up all the left over FEMA goodies...

A Failure of Civility

13 posted on 03/21/2013 9:08:10 AM PDT by Gritty (The Constitution's purpose is to insulate personal freedom from the lust for power-Judge Napolitano)
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To: Kartographer
"Don’t you know if you store more than a ‘few’ days worth of preps you are a ‘tinfoil’ nut job? Just ask any lib and there are more than a few FReepers who will tell you the same thing. "

Yes, I've read such. However, I am not a true end-world doomsday prepper. My 2 realistic concerns are:
1. The BIG ONE finally hits California;
2. A dirty bomb going off in Los Angeles;

I know there are many end-world scenarios, but to be honest, I probably wouldn't want to survive after an Extinction Level Event, nor an all out nuclear war. Ever seen the movie, "The Road"? It's about a father and son trying to make their way through a post-apocalyptic world. It was probably the most realistic and depressing movie regarding that scenario.

We are simply prepared for local disasters. We have a year supply of Mountain House freeze dried foods, access to a lake (with Katadyn filters), and many other necessities, not to mention self-defense and cooperation on our street.

BTW, one thing I never see on prepper sites/shows or even read here is the 50 gallons of potable water in your home water heater, not to mention your toilet tanks and filling bathtubs if the water lines have not been cut off. That can last quite awhile if not world's end. The other matter that is never discussed is how to dispose of human fecal matter (you can pee anywhere). Our plan is a 5 gallon bucket lined with plastic bags for each use. Disposal is not a problem. Also, without showers, hygiene can be accomplished with a large supply of baby wipes (Mom To Mom). You can use them for armpits, groin, and potty wipes.

And yes, we have the crank radio (2), shaker flashlights (plus many regular flashlights and batteries), coleman stove with propane bottles, solar outside lights to bring inside, and now looking at the Sun Oven (http://www.sunoven.com/) It can not only cook, but boil water, depending on your location.

We will do okay unless an asteroid, nuclear war, devasting earthquake, or a complete meltdown of our economy. Even then have some gold coins.

That's as prepper as I'm going. We do have other items, but too numerous to list here. If you have a viable idea for a 6-12 month survival plan, please let me know. Feel free to Freepmail me or post it here. However, please be realistic about the threat.

14 posted on 03/21/2013 9:33:01 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever)
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To: US Navy Vet
"I HOPE that the “Big One” slides LA and San Fruitcisco into the Pacific."

Thanks alot, shipmate. There are quite a few of us good people here. If it's big enough to send LA and Frisco into the ocean, it will definitely kill countless patriots inland.

15 posted on 03/21/2013 9:40:45 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever)
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To: A Navy Vet

Clearly you have missed a number of prepper threads:

To: Kartographer; Eva; All
Get the WaterBob here for cheapest price, $17.99

http://www.hurricaneprepper.com/waterbob.html

If you wnat one, get if before hurricane season which means get it now because they sell out in hurricane seaosn. This place is in Florida, down the street from where they make these WaterBobs.

130 posted on Tuesday, March 19, 2013 2:36:15 PM by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: appalachian_dweller; OldPossum; DuncanWaring; VirginiaMom; CodeToad; goosie; kalee; ...
Preppers’ Ping!!

Seems like a good time to post a lick to a new water filter I ran across over at Cheaper Than Dirt:

Manufacturer: Monolithic JWDF14
Item: CAMP-352

Just Water, monolithic ceramic drip filter works as well as the high end British ones only at a fraction of the cost!

This half-micron filter removes water-borne bacterium with a 0.5 micron efficiency which exceeds NSF standards. The ceramic filter can be cleaned with a soft brush at least 100 times, and it produces 14 gallons of drinking water per day. This system includes a ceramic filter, filter sock, and spigot.

Simply double stack two clean five gallon buckets with lids, drill a 1/2” hole in the bottom of the top bucket and through the top of the bottom buckets lid, place sock over filter and install it in the bottom of the top bucket. Drill a 3/4” hole on the side and near the bottom of the bottom bucket and install the spigot. Fill the top bucket with water from a lake, rain, tap, river or stream and in an hour you will have bacteria free water to drink in the bottom bucket.

Non-returnable, buckets not included. See our item # CAMP-309 for a food grade, standard 5 gallon bucket. Need just a filter? See our item # CAMP-354. Same ceramic filter material and made by the same company, but in common “candle” shape and without the sock or spigot.

Filters are manufactured to meet:
National Sanitation Foundation (NSF) Standard 42
National Sanitation Foundation (NSF) Standard 53
ISO 9002 Quality Standard
USA AEL Laboratories
USA Analytical Food Laboratories
USA Johns Hopkins University Laboratory
Abbot Laboratory South Africa
University of Chihuahua Mexico
British 5750 Quality Standard
England’s Water Research council (WRc) Performance Standards

The filtration efficiency is 0.5 micron
Removal capabilities as follows:
99% Arsenic 5 and 99% Arsenic 3 (special order)
99% Hydrogen Sulfide (H2S special order)
95% Chlorine and Chloramines
99% Taste
99% Odor
98% Aluminum
96% Iron
98% Lead
90% Pesticides
85% Herbicides
85% Insecticides
90% Rodenticides
85% Phenols
85% MTBE
85% Perchlorate
80% Trihalomethanes
95% Poly Aromatic Hydrocarbons
99.999% of particles larger than 0.5 micron (Staffordshire University Labs) (includes Anthrax)
99.7% of particles larger than 0.3 micron (Staffordshire University Labs)
98% of particles larger than 0.2 micron (Staffordshire University Labs)
100% Giardia Lamblia
100% Cyclospora
100% removal of live Cryptosporidium (WRc Standard)
100% removal of Cryptosporidium (NSF Standard 53 – A.C. fine dust – 4 log challenge)
100% removal of E. Coli, Vibrio Cholerae (Johns Hopkins University)
99.999% removal of Salmonella Typhil, Shigella Dysenteria, Kiebsiella Terrigena (Hyder Labs)

Product is silver impregnated and will not permit bacteria growth-through (mitosis) provides a hostile environment for all microbiological organisms and will not support their growth. Ceramic elements may be cleaned 100 or more times with a soft brush or damp cloth.

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/CAMP-352?pagenumber=2

And they is a thread and instructions in my preparedness manual on making a DIY Berkey


16 posted on 03/21/2013 9:44:01 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Marcella

Forgot to ping you as I referenced one of your post.


17 posted on 03/21/2013 9:46:25 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: A Navy Vet
Also there's been a couple threads where I recomended look for theses 275 gallon totes:

18 posted on 03/21/2013 9:49:44 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: A Navy Vet

This is in my prepareness manual:

Emergency Toilets & Garbage Disposal-by Alan T. Hagan


19 posted on 03/21/2013 10:00:49 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Old Sarge; Kartographer; yorkiemom

One year around 2007, in summer, and this is Texas so the temp. was over 100 degrees, I had to leave my house fast as power went out for hundreds of miles around here, mostly north/south and my husband was just out of the hospital after a terrible surgery and he couldn’t take that kind of heat in his condition. A neighbor told me there was power 40 miles west.

Now, I was prepared for a hurricane but not leaving my house fast. I had to get items together to leave the house and the house was dark. I couldn’t remember where a flashlight was so wasted time to find one. Went upstairs and got medicines and some personal toiletries, a change of clothes for us, then downstairs to get a jug of water from the water stash, some food items to eat, etc. The car had just been filled up so that was a blessing as gas couldn’t be pumped at stations. We had some cash due to husband always having cash – I seldom had cash in my purse (another mistake).

We had to drive more than 40 miles to find a hotel because others got to that place before we did. Thousands were on the roads getting out of this area.

I said that would never happen to me again. I would fix it so I could grab and go - I can do that now. One major item I got was “Life Gear’s Wings of Life”. This prepared survival backpack is made in California. I read customer comments on there and most of those people were from California. They talked about they had this backpack, one for each family member, and the packs stayed close to the front door in case of an earthquake. I think Californians are likely percentage wise, to be more prepared than the general population in this country. If one grabbed this backpack and stuck their medicines in there, it would be a fast leave from the house. There is also enough room to put a change of clothes and other items one would want. I keep a change of clothes in there. I found this backpack on the Walmart website for $70. That was some years ago and they aren’t on that website now. Years later, I wrote about this backpack so looked it up on the web and they were about $100. I keep one of these backpacks in my car and one in my downstairs bathroom.

Sometimes we have severe weather with tornado warnings and when those are close I get an automated phone call from the city that says take cover. I pick up Prissy, the Yorkie, go in my downstairs bathroom with big cushions and we stay in there until it’s safe to come out. If the house falls down and we are still alive in there, we have three days of existence by having that backpack in there with us.

It’s the best backpack I have found and I wouldn’t be without them. Also, always know exactly where a flashlight with good batteries is in your house so you can find it fast. Mine right now is on the floor by my chair. Here is the list of the contents of the backpack:

Life Gear’s Wings of Life survival backpack provides the ultimate in survival preparedness. It is a complete three day survival kit with food, water and essential survival gear. The food and water have a shelf life of five years, and can withstand a temperature range of -40 to +120 degrees F. Detachable wings of life help keep things organized, accessible and easy to find in stressful situations.

Life Gear Wings of Life Survival Backpack
Features:
Sleeve system for storage of food and water
Waterproof tarp
Cell phone/walkie talkie carrying case
Water reservoir pocket
Multifunction tool sleeve
Cushioned shoulder straps
Lightweight ergonomic design for children and adults
Back ventilation system for cool air flow
See-through pockets for quick access to items
Ring hooks for added attachments
Two side pockets for storage of a personal safety device and bottle
Durable construction for long life
Backpack includes:
Thermal blanket
All weather poncho
Hygiene kit
First aid kit
Multifunction tool
Leather work gloves
Respirator mask
Compass
Signaling whistle
Thermometer
Red emergency flasher
Waterproof document/cash bag
Signaling mirror
Writing pad & pen
6-page disaster preparedness action guide
Emergency food rations:
Made in USA
Meets US Coast Guard standards (160.046/23/0)
Meets Department of Defense regulations (SOLAS 74/83)
5-year shelf life
Non-thirst provoking
Withstand temperatures of -40 to 300 degrees F
Ready to eat: each package contains 9 pre-measured 400 calorie meals
Individual portions eliminate messy breakup
Contains no cholesterol or tropical oils
Enriched with vitamins and minerals, exceeding RDA requirements
Emergency water packets:
Made in USA
US Coast Guard approved
No oxygen transfer (no chance of bacterial contamination)
Pre-measured packets make water easy to dispense
Easy to transport; no cups needed
Withstand temperatures from -40 to 210 degrees F
5-year shelf life
Model No. LGDLBPK01
Shipping Weight (in pounds): 10.2
Product in Inches (L x W x H): 13.0 x 6.0 x 19.0


20 posted on 03/21/2013 10:14:11 AM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: Kartographer

Two weeks worth of supplies would get 90% of people through the worst part of any disaster that has any likelihood of actually happening. Even if the “big one” hit California, you’d have the entire rest of the country pouring relief into the state. Two weeks would sustain the vast majority of people until then.

The problem with hardcore preppers like you is that you’re way out on the irrelevent end of the probability curve. Your approach is based on the .001% case rather than the 1% case. The latter is what you would focus on if you really were interested in doing the most good for the greatest number of people.


21 posted on 03/21/2013 10:15:32 AM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Kartographer
I'll look into it. But most survival, campers and even military swear by Katadyn water filters and the convenience. It's a simple pump without all the need for buckets and such, but not as cost effective. Pretty sure they meet your requirements. They are top line filters for particles, bacteria, and some viruses. Below, is just one of their products. You may want a larger unit other than the "pocket filter" for home. Still, the one below could be a good bug out filter.

"Like a fine handcrafted Swiss timepiece, the Katadyn Pocket Filter has been one of our best SELLING water filters for the past 20 YEARS and for a good reason. With simple effort, the Katadyn Pocket filter can produce up to 1 quart of safe drinking water per minute. The Katadyn Pocket Filter's SILVER IMPREGNATED element has been used by the U.S. Military Special Forces, NATO, RED CROSS, U.S. Forestry Service, and other military and relief agencies worldwide. The Katadyn Pocket Filter has long been regarded as the "BEST" portable water filter made in the world. In addition, the Katadyn Pocket Filter is by far the best constructed filter on the market and built to last a lifetime. ONLY FILTER in the WORLD that carries a LIFETIME WARRANTY!"

I purchase many of my disaster supplies from Nitro-Pak. Reasonable prices and wide selection. That's where we got our Mountain House freeze dried food at a decent price. They ship quickly and have never had a problem with them.

22 posted on 03/21/2013 10:27:47 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever)
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To: Old Sarge; Kartographer; yorkiemom

I also keep a rolling bag with canned food, instant oatmeal, instant COFFEE, packets of water, dishes, canned heat, Sterno stove, eating utensils, etc., close to my front door. There is enough food/water in there to last a week. The rolling bag goes with me if I have to leave.


23 posted on 03/21/2013 10:29:08 AM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: Marcella

Looks like a good bug out pack.


24 posted on 03/21/2013 10:30:38 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever)
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To: A Navy Vet
I had four Katadyn Combi water filters. Then, when the Big Berkey came out, I got that. I gave one of the Katadyn Combis to my sister-in-law last Christmas, so now have three of those. The Big Berkey is first choice to use, with the Katadyns as backup. I always have three or more backups of everything required to sustain life.
25 posted on 03/21/2013 10:45:52 AM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: Yardstick; Kartographer; JRandomFreeper
You criticize Kartographer constantly, and guess what, we don't care if you prepare or not.

I may have more preps than Kartographer (bet he doesn't have a regular oven, just like one in his kitchen, that works outside) and over 26,000 people have read my prep articles on another website. Between us, Kart and I have reached many thousands of people who want to have insurance that their families will be safe in case of an emergency, whether it lasts one day or a year.

Please add my name to Karts when you post your useless criticism.

26 posted on 03/21/2013 10:57:23 AM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: Marcella; Kartographer

I stumbled across http://www.survival-gear.com/ when I first went looking for the “Life Gear’s Wings of Life”. I love their site, and “grab and go” is excellent option for me and the pyscho puppy.

I dont recall why I didn’t get the Life Gear one, it made sense to me at the time, but another great choice. :-)


27 posted on 03/21/2013 11:06:22 AM PDT by RikaStrom ("To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize." ~Voltaire)
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To: A Navy Vet
"Several days"? If the San Andreas does its thing, you're going to need more than "several days".

You're forgetting the whistle.

28 posted on 03/21/2013 11:06:57 AM PDT by TangoLimaSierra (To the left the truth looks like Right-Wing extremism.)
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To: Yardstick
My grandmother wouldn't have thought of going into winter without a solid 6 months supply of food. I do the same thing. I'm still eating harvest from last year out of my larder.

The whole "Just in Time" food thing is a recent phenomenon.

Is is prepping? Or is is prudent and conservative living?

I used stored, homegrown, and foraged foods for over a year and half after the 2008 market crash. And I'm glad I had them.

/johnny

29 posted on 03/21/2013 11:17:10 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Marcella

Yes, I post to Kartographer when he posts stuff that addresses unbelievers such as myself. People are allowed to respond to him, right?

For instance, on the last thread I posted to, he had listed a bunch of reasons why people don’t prep, but of course he had left out the most obvious and sensible reason. So I provided it. Surely that’s not too much for you to bear.


30 posted on 03/21/2013 11:29:08 AM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Yardstick
"Two weeks worth of supplies would get 90% of people through the worst part of any disaster that has any likelihood of actually happening. Even if the “big one” hit California, you’d have the entire rest of the country pouring relief into the state. Two weeks would sustain the vast majority of people until then."

Unfortunately, you are comparing apples to oranges. Hurricanes, tornadoes, flooding, Sandy storms don't disrupt the underground infrastructure as an earthquake can do. It's usually pretty much surface damage, which is bad enough.

As I said above, and been proven from large scale earthquakes, our water, natural gas, under ground electrical grid, and food distribution has been interrupted by broken freeways, overpasses, surface roads for an extended time.

It always take longer for services to come back on line because of all the digging they have to do, no matter how much FEMA can do. BTW, they did really great with Katrina, didn't they? sarcasm. There are still entire neighborhoods that are ghost towns. They still haven't recovered fully.

"The problem with hardcore preppers like you is that you’re way out on the irrelevent end of the probability curve. Your approach is based on the .001% case rather than the 1% case. The latter is what you would focus on if you really were interested in doing the most good for the greatest number of people."

What does my interest in "doing the most good for the greatest number of people" have anything to do with disaster preparedness for me and mine in case of a massive earthquake? Your hypothesis is pecurliar, and I'm not a hard core "prepper" - I'm a realist about mother nature. I even laugh at many on the Prepper Show (History channel?).

Really? You think I'm some apocalyptic doom sayer? I'm just prepared to last more than it takes to get the broken water mains, gas lines, food supplies (after the rioters loot), and freeway truck routes repaired. Apparently, you missed or forget about the Northridge, CA earthquake that destroy many of the above. People were living in parks for weeks, while the different city services were trying to repair all the underground lines. People were fighting for FEMA water and food and others were looting, as they did in Katrina.

Think what you will. Hope you're in a safe place, but there is no safe place on this rock. This planet is a dangerous place. Think Indonesia/Japan's tsumanis. Japan has yet to recover from that and thousands are living in temporary housing. Indonesia lost 10's of thousands of lives. Shit happens on this planet, and people make it worse as they try to survive. Japan, with their cultural ethics came together - Indonesia not so much. Our inner-city welfare types and lowlifes would be rioting for the first handout from FEMA.

Last thought: In 1991 after the Rodney King verdict, the inner-city went ballistic. It got so bad that the police pulled out and after a while the fireman wouldn't show up because of gunfire on them. It lasted around 2 weeks as the area went up in flames. Now extrapolate that to a massive earthquake or dirty bomb disaster and how would those same people deal with it? Hopefully, the Koreans will stand there ground with rifles in hand as they did then.

Starting to get the picture why some of us want to be prepared? I'm not talking about end of the world - so shut the f*ck up and don't try to lecture this 63 year old man about humanity. I've seen the best and worse. In massive times of trouble, the bad surfaces. Got my shotgun. Deal with it.

31 posted on 03/21/2013 11:55:40 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever)
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To: Celtic Conservative
I seem to recall that the day Doolittles raiders attacked Tokyo they had just concluded an air raid drill so that when the American planes came overhead nobody thought anything of it and it totally screwed up their response to the raid. Just a quirky thought.

I would think that the ground violently heaving under you would be a clue that it wasn't a drill.

32 posted on 03/21/2013 12:05:03 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Marcella

You mean that backpack comes with all that stuff, for $100?


33 posted on 03/21/2013 12:08:53 PM PDT by yorkiemom
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To: Yardstick; Marcella; Kartographer
For instance, on the last thread I posted to, he had listed a bunch of reasons why people don’t prep, but of course he had left out the most obvious and sensible reason.

There is no sensible reason to not prep.

But if you want to live with your head in the clouds, have at it. And let us know how those clouds are at keeping you warm, fed, and healthy when things go south.

We live in Upstate NY and the weather is so unpredictable, that I start every winter with several months of food and other supplies to get through with a minimal, and I do mean minimal, amount of shopping.

Aside from the fact that the nearest grocery store is 15 miles from us, just who wants to schlep heavy groceries in through the cold, snow, and slop we're inundated with every winter.

It's much nicer to just sit inside and watch the weather happen, than get on the roads with all the idiots who panic at the last minute, mob the stores and strip them of essentials, and drive like total morons in the crap coming down outside.

Mock away, but don't come knocking on my door when you're in trouble. Figure your own way out.

Or sell your freedom and soul to FEMA for rations of food and water.

34 posted on 03/21/2013 12:16:17 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Yardstick; Kartographer
The problem with hardcore preppers like you is that you’re way out on the irrelevent end of the probability curve. Your approach is based on the .001% case rather than the 1% case. The latter is what you would focus on if you really were interested in doing the most good for the greatest number of people.

My goal is not the save the greatest number of people.

It is to save myself, my family, and to 'help' some others in my group that are also helping themselves.

You seem to think our goal here is to form a welfare society.
35 posted on 03/21/2013 12:17:18 PM PDT by yorkiemom
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To: A Navy Vet

People haven’t learned yet from what Hurricane Sandy did to parts of NYC, have they?

Two weeks didn’t even begin to touch some areas. That’s when the magnitude of what happened was really beginning to sink in.

And compared to the big one hitting CA, that was child’s play.


36 posted on 03/21/2013 12:18:00 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Marcella

Thanks. Went to their site. Although expensive, they look good for larger amount of filtration than my Katadyn pump. However, couldn’t find exactly what they filter out other that flouride.


37 posted on 03/21/2013 12:21:34 PM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever)
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To: TangoLimaSierra
"You're forgetting the whistle."

Also forgetting the "panic button" on campus. Oh wait, I don't live on campus. So then, I should get a double-barrel shotgun like Joe Biden suggests. Just have to make sure I shoot up in the air. Pfft!

38 posted on 03/21/2013 12:28:31 PM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever)
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To: A Navy Vet
“It always take longer for services to come back on line because of all the digging they have to do, no matter how much FEMA can do.”

The Ike hurricane polluted the water in Galveston and north to Houston and it took weeks to do repairs and get good water back. In my area, the newspaper put out an edition every day which was delivered to every household in Conroe free of charge. That paper told us every day if the water was safe and the condition of repairs that had to be made to utilities. One of our water stations was flooded out so all that machinery had to be replaced.

Farther north it was worse than that. The town of Cleveland had no water for weeks - it had to be trucked in and their power was out for weeks. A county that encompasses the San Houston National Forest didn't have power for weeks. Trees in that forest fell and took down lines. States north of us didn't escape, either. Power and water up into those states were out.

Some people here were killed by falling trees and many houses here had trees in them. Some had to leave their houses.

Your earthquake possibility would kill many and you won't be able to get a regular life back for months.

This shows no one knows how bad an event could be until it happens. It is folly to “guess” one won't have such an emergency, that the percentage of the possibility is low, so one does nothing. Depending on FEMA to save one, is double folly.

I don't know if I will get a hurricane this year, so maybe I shouldn't be ready for one. That makes no sense at all, because they do come through here. Maybe our water won't be contaminated or power won't be off long enough for water to stop flowing. I don't know the percentage of the possibility of that, but if it is anything above 0, which it is, then I'm prepared already if it happens.

One more example: Hospitals have backup power so don't worry that they won't be operational. Except when Ike came through, the hospital's main generator did not work. The hospital was in the dark. Critical patients had to be taken to San Antonio, 5 hr. drive away. No operations could be done at our hospital. The non-critical patients were still there in dark, hot rooms.

If you had an accident or illness happen at home then, you better be ready to deal with it because the hospital was out of commission. Who would have thought the generator wouldn't work? What was the percentage the generator would go down? No point in having medical supplies at your house since you could just go the hospital.

When preparing for an emergency, assume NOTHING works that you depend on right now.

I had no power but I had lights that worked, a phone that worked, a TV that worked, fans that worked, radio with TV verbal stations on it that worked, several ways to cook, good fast food needing no cooking and food to cook. My standard of living was pretty much the way it was before power went out. If a hurricane comes this year, I have nothing to fear as long as my house keeps standing.

39 posted on 03/21/2013 12:54:01 PM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: yorkiemom

“You mean that backpack comes with all that stuff, for $100?”

Yes, it does, give or take a few dollars. If you have just that and nothing else when you head out the door, or have one in your car, you have what you need to get out to a safe place.


40 posted on 03/21/2013 12:57:22 PM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: A Navy Vet

“However, couldn’t find exactly what they filter out other that flouride.”

A Big Berkey or any Berkey model, is a water “purifier”, not a filter. It is much better than a Katadyn “filter”. If the website you are on doesn’t list the properties of a Berkey, go to another website.


41 posted on 03/21/2013 1:02:02 PM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: A Navy Vet
After re-reading your input, I have to say you are obviously a liberal pussy. I don't enjoy insulting people, but you asked for it. Sit your butt down and shut the f*ck up while us adults discuss the realities of the world.

Or, you can always go back to DU and spout your feel-good crap there. Nanny state will take care of you, no matter how bad the disaster. Oh wait, FEMA didn't do so well in New Orleans. But then that was Bush's fault wasn't it? Even though he tried to convince the Governor to give him FEMA authorization. You should read up on those regs.

Of course, you liberals will always re-write history. However, it is Federal law (look it up) that the Fedgov can not intervene in State emergencies without a direct request from the State. Blanco DID NOT request assistance as Katrina was bearing down on her.

So to seque, you think that there would only be (2) weeks of service disruption if Cali gets hit by the big one? You are so naive that I have to wonder how you get out of bed and find your shoes. You're a fool to not prepare with some simple food, water, communication, supplies, et al.

42 posted on 03/21/2013 1:05:00 PM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever)
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To: A Navy Vet

Berkey® Systems are the world’s most powerful and economical water purification systems, providing incredibly clean, pure water in both normal and hostile environments. Berkey® systems can purify both treated water and untreated raw water from such sources as remote lakes, streams, stagnant ponds, and water supplies in foreign countries with substandard regulations.

They come in sizes large enough to meet the sustained water needs of up to 325 people per system, yet they purify without electricity or moving parts, and their portability allows them to easily be taken, and used, anywhere. Berkey® systems will operate in any location where gravity is present—and they always preserve the healthful minerals you need.


43 posted on 03/21/2013 1:05:38 PM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: A Navy Vet

Unequalled Effectiveness: Berkey® purifiers using the Black Berkey® purification elements are proven to reduce pathogenic bacteria (including E. Coli, Klebsiella, Pseudomonas Aeruginosa, Giardia and Cryptosporidium) by 99.99999%. The Berkey Light® System has been tested with the highest pathogenic contamination levels that can be produced in a laboratory. When contamination levels exceed one billion pathogens per liter of water (10,000 times the density of contamination used in the standard test protocol for bacteriological removal) they’re classified as “TNTC” (too numerous to count.) Under normal testing protocol, one pathogenic organism is tested at a time, each with a fresh purifying element. For this test, however, the laboratory was directed to combine three separate pathogenic TNTC cultures. Tested under this extreme contamination level, absolutely no pathogens were able to make it through the purification elements. The laboratory then incubated the water, and nothing grew. When the filtered water was viewed under an electron microscope not even in-viable (dead) microbes were detectable — nothing was present but pure H2O. Furthermore, contaminants reduced to below-detectable-limits include Trihalomethanes, Radon 222, and volatile organic compounds including Benzene, 2,4-D, Heptachlor, MTBE, Styrene, Tetrachloroethylene and Toulene, among many others.


44 posted on 03/21/2013 1:08:36 PM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: yorkiemom

I see the one I got on this page of this website for $129.95 with 20% off this weekend.

http://www.chiefsupply.com/8612-Life-Gear-Wings-of-life-Backpack-w-Life-Essentials-3-day-Food-And-Water.aspx?sku=LG567&source=Bing_CHIEF+Supply


45 posted on 03/21/2013 1:17:47 PM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: Marcella

I’ll look further into that product. Thanks.


46 posted on 03/21/2013 1:20:14 PM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever)
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To: A Navy Vet; Marcella

I buy mine of Ebay same product better price.


47 posted on 03/21/2013 1:30:23 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Marcella; Yardstick; JRandomFreeper; metmom; yorkiemom

Let him go. For my work I have been thanked on numerous posting, Freep Mail, e-mails, my Preparedness Manual has been downloaded over 50,000 times. I have had several FReepers effected by Sandy alone that have contacted me about how they were much better able to get by afterwards because of my work. All of Yardsticks bitter post can not undue that. I know positively that I have helped people while he stood by and did what?


48 posted on 03/21/2013 1:42:35 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: A Navy Vet
“The other matter that is never discussed is how to dispose of human fecal matter (you can pee anywhere). Our plan is a 5 gallon bucket lined with plastic bags for each use. Disposal is not a problem.”

I have thought of that as well. Here's what I think may work
Sort of an instant outhouse.
1.Seymour AUA2 Adjustable Auger to dig the hole.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000H5T46E/ref=oh_details_o02_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

2.Guide Gear® Pop-up Privacy Shelter with Camp Shower, also doubles as potential outhouse.
http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?a=775717

3. Rid-X or garden lime for odor control

4. Plenty of TP

5. Inflatable kids pool from Target. Instant cistern for wash water. They run about 900+ gallons some more some less.
Cover with tarp and treat water with pool shock to keep algae out. They can be filled from water line if intact or roof run off.

Water can be a problem in California insomuch as the rainy season is essentially over. What Cali does have at least along the coast is fog. Look into water harvesting from fog. Its done in the 3rd world with reasonable success

49 posted on 03/21/2013 1:53:33 PM PDT by Polynikes (Hakkaa Palle)
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To: Polynikes
3. Rid-X or garden lime for odor control

Hadn't thought of that! Thank you!
50 posted on 03/21/2013 1:56:41 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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