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Pope greets Jesuit superior general: “He insisted I treat him like any other Jesuit”
The Deacon's Bench ^ | March 19, 2013 | Deacon Greg Kandra

Posted on 03/21/2013 8:03:18 AM PDT by haffast

A statement from Jesuit Superior General Father Adolfo Nicholas, following yesterday’s meeting with his fellow Jesuit, Pope Francis:

“At the personal invitation of the Pope Francis, I went to the Santa Marta House, which had been used for the Cardinals present at the Conclave, at 5:30 p.m. He was at the entrance and received me with the usual Jesuit embrace. We had a few pictures taken, at his request, and at my apologies for not keeping protocol he insisted that I treat him like any other Jesuit at the Tulevel, so I did not have to worry about treatments, “Holiness” or “Holy Father.”

“I offered him all our Jesuit resources because in his new position he is going to need counsel, thinking, persons, etc. He showed gratitude for this and at the invitation to visit us for lunch at the Curia he said he would oblige.

“There was full commonality of feeling on several issues that we discussed and I remained with the conviction that we will work very well together for the service of the Church in the name of the Gospel.

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KEYWORDS: catholic; curia; father; francis; nicholas; pope; popefrancis; superior; tulevel

Father General on His Visit with the Pope
James Martin, SJ | Mar 19 2013 - 9:31am | 6 comments
http://americamagazine.org/content/all-things/father-general-his-visit-pope

1 posted on 03/21/2013 8:03:18 AM PDT by haffast
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To: haffast

As a Catholic, I have no problem with this. Is this something about which I should be concerned?


2 posted on 03/21/2013 8:20:52 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: haffast
Superior General of the Society of Jesus

"The Superior General of the Society of Jesus is the official title of the leader of the Society of Jesus—the Roman Catholic religious order, also known as the Jesuits. He is generally addressed as Father General. The position sometimes carries the derogatory nickname of the Black Pope, after his simple black priest's vestments, as contrasted to the white garb of the Pope. The current Superior General is the Reverend Father Adolfo Nicolás."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superior_General_of_the_Society_of_Jesus#Black_Pope<.a>

3 posted on 03/21/2013 8:21:30 AM PDT by haffast (Books serve to show a man that those original thoughts of his aren't very new at all. -Abe Lincoln)
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To: rarestia

As a non-Catholic, I would be ecstatic. This may be the best Pope in hundreds of years.


4 posted on 03/21/2013 8:24:16 AM PDT by BipolarBob (Happy Hunger Games! May the odds be ever in your favor.)
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To: rarestia
"As a Catholic, I have no problem with this. Is this something about which I should be concerned?"

Only if you work for the Roman Curia...

...or are a liberal secular politician. Or are a conservative secular politician. This may well be the most interesting papacy of my lifetime.

5 posted on 03/21/2013 8:36:52 AM PDT by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: haffast

So far, I like him.

Love the liberal anti-Christian media calling him “the unpredictable Pope?

Each Pope is his own and he has the right and responsibly to be his own and there should be no mould.


6 posted on 03/21/2013 8:39:43 AM PDT by edcoil (If the man was accused of leadership, there would not be enough evidence to convict him.)
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To: BipolarBob
Society of Jesus
"The Society participated in the Counter-Reformation and later in the implementation of the Second Vatican Council in the Catholic Church." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Society_of_Jesus
7 posted on 03/21/2013 8:40:52 AM PDT by haffast (Books serve to show a man that those original thoughts of his aren't very new at all. -Abe Lincoln)
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To: haffast
Has he been laicized? What's with the civvies?
8 posted on 03/21/2013 8:44:54 AM PDT by Oratam
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To: rarestia
As a Catholic, I have no problem with this. Is this something about which I should be concerned?

It's got my antennae up. It may well be fine - Pope Francis is obviously a humble man. However, thoughts of Jimmy Carter and 70's malaise keep popping into my head. Humility is fine so long as it's not merely the MO of an ineffective leader.

9 posted on 03/21/2013 8:51:23 AM PDT by old and tired
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To: BipolarBob

Our thoughts are very similar.


10 posted on 03/21/2013 8:53:08 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: old and tired

He already cloistered paedophile Cardinal Law, which was a HUGE win in my book. He made an example of someone, as well he should.

If he starts denying communion to liberal, death supporters, that will be a huge positive to me. I’d like to see some excommunications too, but I have a feeling Francis is a bit more of a pacifist. I hope I’m wrong.

If nothing else, it’s refreshing to have a non-European pope for the first time in my lifetime. It feels as if he’s going to take us back to the roots of the church.


11 posted on 03/21/2013 8:55:47 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: rarestia
He already cloistered paedophile(sic) Cardinal Law,

Source?

Report that pope to exile (Cardinal Bernard) Law 'totally false,' Vatican says

12 posted on 03/21/2013 9:02:10 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro can't pass E-verify)
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To: rarestia
If nothing else, it’s refreshing to have a non-European pope for the first time in my lifetime. It feels as if he’s going to take us back to the roots of the church.

Argentina is considered to be the most Europeon country in South America with the majority of people of either Spanish or Italian descent. Pope Francis is of Italian descent and received his higher education in Germany.

If you believe RCC apologists, Pope Francis just embraced his former boss.

If you believe anti-RCC and conspiratorial writers, Pope Francis just welcomed and embraced HIS boss.

13 posted on 03/21/2013 9:22:35 AM PDT by haffast (Books serve to show a man that those original thoughts of his aren't very new at all. -Abe Lincoln)
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To: rarestia
As a Catholic, I have no problem with this. Is this something about which I should be concerned?

I just happen to be doing research on the early Jesuit years, the days of Robert Bellarmine and Francis Suarez. I have been looking at the excellence of their moral philosophy and natural law. Pope Francis is of the old Jesuit stripe. Which is a huge plus in my book. He knows the difference between objective and subjective moral truth. And he prefers to dwell in the side of objective moral truth. This is the reason why someone said that he is very much like our Founding Fathers.

One thing that our Founders were really good at was being able to understand the difference between what is good and what "appears" to be good (the "appearance" of good is actually a vice pretending to be a virtue). Sort of a lost art, but a leader who can define the "appearance" of good is someone who is invaluable as a leader, because most leaders lack that ability.

Happily, Pope Francis has that ability.

14 posted on 03/21/2013 9:31:22 AM PDT by Slyfox (The Key to Marxism is Medicine ~ Vladimir Lenin)
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To: rarestia
He already cloistered paedophile Cardinal Law, which was a HUGE win in my book. He made an example of someone, as well he should.

Has he done this? I thought this was incorrect?

Of course I would love if he spoke forcefully on abortion loving politicians and the Catholics who vote for them. But honestly, I will be quite happy if he can beat back and finally oust the corrupt/homosexual wing of the CHurch. I think everything else would fall into line.

15 posted on 03/21/2013 9:35:40 AM PDT by old and tired
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To: A.A. Cunningham

Why would you request a source if you already have a source to the contrary?


16 posted on 03/21/2013 10:01:56 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: rarestia

Law disgraced himself through gross negligence and (effectively) coverup, but there is no evidence he is/was a paedophile. Nor has he been cloistered. Your readiness to spread damaging rumors is irresponsible to say the least.


17 posted on 03/21/2013 10:57:17 AM PDT by Romulus
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To: Romulus

I was not the initiator of the rumor, sir. Please direct your ire elsewhere.


18 posted on 03/21/2013 11:01:43 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: rarestia
Is this something about which I should be concerned?

Well, there is the fact that the Pope is NOT just "any other Jesuit", and it is very unhelpful for any of us to pretend otherwise. The Jesuits I know all understand the realities of a healthy superior/subordinate relationship in which each party knows clearly who he is and where he stands, and performs his duty accordingly.

I am quite willing to assume the new Pope's humility is genuine. I hope he will learn soon that unequality is natural -- which is to say, God-given -- and therefore cannot be fudged out of the picture without giving way to sentimental falsehood.

19 posted on 03/21/2013 11:05:28 AM PDT by Romulus
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To: Sooth2222; rarestia
"As a Catholic, I have no problem with this. Is this something about which I should be concerned?"

We will see. I hope that Pope Francis gets his fellow Jesuits back in line. The Jesuits of recent years have gained a reputation for being wild progressives. In fact, many of them go so far as to reject Catholic teachings in practice on many of the modern social issues (contraception, marriage, ordination, abortion, and "social justice.") Also, if I remember correctly, the Jesuits were heavily engaged in Liberation Theology until the CDF tried to suppress this Marxist rooted heresy during the papacy of John Paul II. Helping the poor is good, spreading a form of Marxism is not.

Hopefully, Pope Francis can get them back on the rails, so that they can do more good in the world than they otherwise could.

20 posted on 03/21/2013 5:29:55 PM PDT by old republic
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To: Romulus
Well, there is the fact that the Pope is NOT just "any other Jesuit", and it is very unhelpful for any of us to pretend otherwise.

Although, it may be a gesture of humility on the part of Pope Francis to allow himself to be treated as just another Jesuit, treating the pope as just another Jesuit contradicts the reality. Seeing as many of the Jesuits take a vow of complete obedience to the pope, it is hard to imagine that even the Jesuits could treat the pope as simply "any other Jesuit." Many of the Jesuit order have to vow special obedience to the pope....which of course implies that the Jesuits cannot treat the pope as if he were just another Jesuit. Even if the Jesuits tried to treat the pope in such a casual fashion, it would only mask the true nature of the relationship between the pope and average Jesuit.

21 posted on 03/21/2013 5:47:40 PM PDT by old republic
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To: Oratam

The picture might just show his jacket, at least I hope so.


22 posted on 03/21/2013 6:01:06 PM PDT by pbear8 (the Lord is my light and my salvation)
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To: rarestia

He sounds very humble.

Decent quality in a leader.


23 posted on 03/22/2013 3:40:40 AM PDT by Impy (All in favor of Harry Reid meeting Mr. Mayhem?)
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