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A Shocking Interview with I. Q. Rassooli, Islam Expert
Family Security Matters ^ | March 21, 2013 | CLARE M. LOPEZ

Posted on 03/21/2013 12:52:43 PM PDT by robowombat

A Shocking Interview with I. Q. Rassooli, Islam Expert by CLARE M. LOPEZ March 21, 2013

The Iraqi-born native Arabic-speaker who goes by the name "I. Q. Rassooli" has lived in Europe since his university days studying engineering in England. His mind is an inquiring and a questioning one, characteristics not much appreciated among the conformist Muslim community of his origins. And so he stayed in the West and, for the next 23 years, undertook "as thorough a study of Islam as humanly possible," as he says. His research and analysis about Muhammad, the Qur'an, Hadiths, Shariah, Arab and Islamic history, and a comparative, contrasting study of those with the Hebrew Bible, the New Testament, Zoroastrian (Persian) beliefs, pagan Arab religions and more culminated in a thesis that no publisher would print. Instead, al-Rassooli created a website, www.inthenameofallah.org that now contains over 780 chapters. He also put up over 280 audio/video chapters on YouTube that collectively received over 1.59 million visitors and 3,976 subscribers in the two years before YouTube removed took them down. Luckily, al-Rassooli had them all backed up on his blog site at www.the-koran.blogspot.com and he then put them back up on YouTube under another name. His website is at www.alrassooli.com Al-Rassooli also founded a movement called the Ummat al Kuffar (Nation of Infidels) that he hopes will develop and grow, given that some 80% of all humanity are not Muslims but rather the object of Islamic supremacist conquest intentions. He says his mission is the exposure of the facts and reality about Islam, based on the primary Arabic language sources themselves. Family Security Matters Contributing Writer Clare Lopez recently was granted the opportunity to interview I.Q. al-Rassooli about Islam. Here are his replies to her questions.

1. Is there such a thing as "moderate Islam" ? It is very difficult for decent, well-meaning Americans and Europeans - who truly believe the propaganda of Muslims that Islam is only a religion and as such must have redeeming characteristics - to be told by myself and others who know Islam from the inside that the truth is quite different.

Unfortunately, most Americans - as well as most of humanity - have been misled because Muhammadan Islam is not merely a religion but a cult belief system, the cult of Muhammad.

Believing Muslims must follow Sharia. It is obligatory for all Muslims, everywhere, for all time. Sharia - based upon Muhammad's Quran and Sunna (Muhammad's acts, deeds, thoughts, behavior, etc. as recorded in the hadiths and Sira) - explicitly commands deceit, hatred, misogyny, racism, and warmongering against non-Muslims. There is no other "religion" that does this and this is why I say that Islam cannot be considered merely a "religion" like any other - and it most certainly cannot be called "moderate".

For this is the command from Allah to all Muslims, as recorded in the Qur'an:

Al Tauba 9:29 "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and his apostle [Muhammad] nor acknowledge the religion of truth [ISLAM] (even if they are) of the People of the Book [Christians & Jews] until they pay the Jizya [onerous Tax for not being a Muslim] with willing submission and feel themselves humiliated"

Muhammad 47:4 "Therefore when ye meet the Unbelievers smite at their necks; at length when ye have thoroughly subdued them bind a bond firmly (on them): thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom"

2. How about "moderate Muslims" ?

There is no such thing as a ‘moderate Muslim'. Every Muslim - especially the males - is fundamentally a JIHADI. That is, one who will fight Unbelievers (currently 80% of humanity including ALL Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, Jews, Atheists, Agnostics, etc.) - any and all those who do not follow Muhammad.

Sharia gives the Unbelievers the following three choices:

(A) Convert to Islam (whether we like it or not) (B) Be subject to Islam as Dhimmis in humiliation and degradation forever (C) Be Exterminated

Al Imran 3:85 " If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah) never will it be accepted of him ..."

Al Tauba 9:33 "It is He (Allah) who hath sent His apostle (Muhammad) with guidance and the religion of truth (Islam) to proclaim it over all other religions..."

3. Why should defenders of Western civilization be concerned about core Islamic doctrine, law, and scripture? Very simple. Sharia is the nemesis of Democracy. Sharia is the destroyer of all known freedoms. Sharia is anathema to genuine individual liberty and must NEVER take root on the soil of any nation that is not Islamic. Under Sharia, not even a blade of grass can grow.

4. Is the classic Islam of Muhammad and his companions and the early scholars compatible with Western-style liberal democracy? For those who have still not understood what I am revealing, there is no concept of Democracy either in the psyche or the language of Islam. That is why the Arabs and Muslims use the Arabized Greek word for "democracy," calling it "DEMOQRATIYAH"!

There is absolutely nothing ‘liberal' about either Sharia or Muhammadan Islam. Muhammad, after all, declared to his followers Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith 4.73 Narrated by Abdullah bin Abi Aufa Allah's Apostle said, "Know that Paradise is under the shades of swords." In fact, believing Muslims are not allowed to so much as question Islam, again per the Qur'an:

O ye who believe! ask not questions about things which, if made plain to you, may cause you trouble -- Q 5:101

...the command of Allah is a decree determined -- Q 33:38

5. If people, Muslims and non-Muslims alike, took the time to read and study the Qur'an, what would they learn? I have spent more than 30 years on these subjects and not once did I attempt to change the indoctrinated mind of a follower of Muhammad, knowing full well it would be extremely difficult. Most important of all, Americans must understand that any Muslim who leaves the faith would be killed by his own ‘loving' family and or friends. Even in our Western democracies, most of those who leave Islam must do so in secrecy.

"Whoever changes his Islamic religion, then kill him." - Bukhari 9.84.57

"When a person who has reached puberty and is sane voluntarily apostasizes from Islam, he deserves to be killed." -- Reliance of the Traveller, A Classic Manual of Islamic Sacred Law (08.1)

"If they [Muslims] had gotten rid of the punishment [often death] for apostasy, Islam would not exist today." Yousef al-Qaradawi, Senior Jurist of the Muslim Brotherhood, on Egyptian TV

Any decent and fair-minded person reading Muhammad's Quran must come to only ONE conclusion: It is a rambling, incoherent, jumbled scripture of hatred and enmity that no true God would have ever revealed to anyone.

6. What is the most important thing Westerners should know about the life of the Muslim prophet Muhammad ? First and foremost, Muhammad should not be called a "prophet" because there is nowhere in his Qur'an and Hadith that he prophesized anything. Instead, in the Qur'an, the hadiths, and the Sira (biography of Muhammad), we read in the original Islamic scriptures themselves that Muhammad committed crimes against humanity on a massive scale: these scriptures themselves recount that Muhammad ordered assassinations of the elderly and nursing mothers because they ridiculed him; that he raped and enslaved captured women; that he personally participated in the mass killing of POWs; that he led a military campaign of genocide against the Jewish tribes of the Arabian Peninsula; and that he married a six-year-old and raped her at aged nine (his child bride, Aisha). I say this not because of anger or a mere wish to be insulting. I do so based entirely on the Islamic records themselves that I can quote in chapter and verse to support my assertions.

For example, each of these assertions may be found precisely as described in the Sirat (biographies) of Muhammad, as written by faithful Muslims. One of the most authoritative of those biographies comes to us from the Muslim historian Ibn Ishak, as translated by Alfred Guillaume: "The Life of Muhammad." It is available on Amazon.com at http://www.amazon.com/Life-Muhammad-I-Ishaq/dp/0196360331

7. Is there a significant number of Muslims in the world today who are willing to contradict, either publicly or within their own communities, Islamic teachings on things like the death penalty for adultery, apostasy, or homosexuality?

No Muslim can live more than a few seconds if he/she in any way shape or form contradicts anything in Muhammad's Quran or says anything against him. Only a handful of apostates from Islam can do so in our democracies.

Please understand that the instant any follower of Muhammad criticizes anything about their cult belief system, that person becomes instantly an infidel worthy of death and destruction.

Again, to cite from the Reliance of the Traveler: A Classic Manual of Islamic Sacred Law: Acts That Entail Leaving Islam 08.7 (3) to speak words that imply unbelief... (4) to revile Allah or His messenger... (7) to deny any verse of the Koran or anything which by scholarly consensus belongs to it... (14) to deny the obligatory character of something which by the consensus of Muslims...is part of Islam...

8. What can or should free people do to ensure that their societies do not fall under the domination of Islamic Law (shariah) ? Each and every American who cherishes their Constitution and FREEDOM (of thought, belief, association, politics, religion, thought, etc.) must not allow any judge or administration to allow Islamic Law (shariah) the slightest chance of taking root on American soil because Sharia is like a virulent virus, the most deadly known to humankind.

My conclusions based on over 30 years of studies are:

1. Islam is NOT a Religion but most definitely a CULT belief system as well as a legal, military, political, and social system of totalitarian control.

2. Allah is most assuredly NOT the same as the God of Jesus, Moses and Abraham because Allah is only the NAME of the supreme moon god of Pagan Arabia centuries before Muhammad and his Quran and represented to this day in the Kaba'a by an ancient meteorite called the Black Stone.

3. Jihad is most definitely NOT a spiritual struggle to commune with God but eternal WAR against all Unbelievers until all humanity is subject to Sharia.

4. No god called Allah nor any angel called Gabriel ever revealed a single verse to Muhammad because every letter, word, verse and Chapter in the Quran is the product of Muhammad's imaginings, the secretions of his depraved mind, his Alter Ego, his Autobiography, but very cleverly projected into the unsuspecting mouths of Allah and Gabriel to give them the aura of sanctity and divinity.

5. It is by Divine Will (Qidra Ilahyyah) and divine Justice (Haq Ilahi) that the very Hadiths that explain to the followers of Muhammad his Quran and Sunna, are the very same that utterly DISCREDIT Muhammad as a prophet and the ALLEGED divine origin of his Quran.

6. Although my statements may sound outrageous and hyperbolic to those hearing and seeing them for the first time, I can and do (as in this interview) corroborate every single assertion that I make with citations from the Islamic scriptures themselves.

Clare M. Lopez a senior fellow at the Clarion Fund, writes regularly for RadicalIslam.org, and is a strategic policy and intelligence expert with a focus on Middle East, national defense, and counterterrorism issues.

Read more: Family Security Matters http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/detail/a-shocking-interview-with-i-q-rassooli-islam-expert#ixzz2OCmw2sTS Under Creative Commons License: Attribution


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: islam
The Prez and the new Director of the CIA may find Islam to be a splendid institution. I note neither of them first encountered the followers of Mo in an Arab Islamic country. This fellow came from Iraq and had plenty of experience with Arab Muslims.
1 posted on 03/21/2013 12:52:43 PM PDT by robowombat
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To: robowombat

Hell, there are ‘tards right here on FR insisting that we should save the muzzies.


2 posted on 03/21/2013 12:57:14 PM PDT by Sirius Lee (All that is required for evil to advance is for government to do "something")
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To: robowombat

I figure Islam has as much validity as Christianity, but greater potential for harm. Followers of Christ can be good people, just as followers of Mohammed can be good people. If so, that is because of their individual traits, not because of their religion, and in many cases despite their religion.

Cardinal Mahoney believed in forgiveness, and the power of grace to change people, even for child molesting priests. How did that work out?

In like manner, Osama bin Laden believed in Jihad.


3 posted on 03/21/2013 12:59:15 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: robowombat

I believe the term for islam is that it is a political religion. Nazism was the same except it was a neopagan political religion.


4 posted on 03/21/2013 1:00:14 PM PDT by fso301
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To: robowombat

Now we know why the Crusades were necessary.


5 posted on 03/21/2013 1:12:10 PM PDT by b4its2late (A Liberal is a person who will give away everything he doesn't own.)
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To: donmeaker
Cardinal Mahoney believed in forgiveness, and the power of grace to change people, even for child molesting priests. How did that work out?

Oh, I sincerely doubt that.

Cardinal Mahoney spent way too much time hiding the sin and the sinners involved with abusing children to sincerely believing "in the power of grace to change people".

Cardinal Mahoney needs to spend a lot of time on his knees asking for forgiveness.

You'll know he has done this by the repentence he will do by telling everything he knows about the perverts he has hidden in the church.
6 posted on 03/21/2013 1:21:36 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: b4its2late
Now we know why the Crusades were necessary.

We have known it for years. But many cannot handle the Truth about Islam, which is an evil that must be eradicated.

A quote from an 1899 book by Winston Churchill, "The River War", in which he describes Muslims he apparently observed during Kitchener's campaign in the Sudan

“How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property - either as a child, a wife, or a concubine - must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.

Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the Queen; all know how to die; but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science - the science against which it had vainly struggled - the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome. “

7 posted on 03/21/2013 1:36:58 PM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: donmeaker

Christians are called to follow Jesus’ role model as best as possible. How would following Jesus result in anything but moving someone closer to being a ‘good’ person in your book?


8 posted on 03/21/2013 1:38:35 PM PDT by bramps (Sarah Palin got more votes in 2008 than Mitt Romney got in 2012)
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To: donmeaker
I figure Islam has as much validity as Christianity

Then you would figure incorrectly. You are uninformed about the true nature of Islam. It is more than a religion, it is a way of life based on the life of Mohammed.

Robert Spencer does a good job here explaining Islam - Blogging the Qur’an This is part of his introduction:

“To understand the motives and goals of Islamic jihad terrorists, one good place to start might be to explore what they themselves say about why they’re doing what they’re doing, and what they want. That in turn will lead you to the Qur’an (or Koran), the Islamic holy book. The jihadists quote it frequently and portray themselves as those who are following “pure Islam,” the genuine article as it is taught in the Qur’an and Islamic tradition. So in the course of my work explaining the jihadists’ objectives, I’ve quoted the Qur’an a great deal – and hardly a day goes by without my being accused of “cherry-picking” violent passages, and quoting them “out of context.” Meanwhile, the Council on American Islamic Relations and other Muslim groups say that in order to understand the true, peaceful Islam, we should read the Qur’an.

So over the course of the next few months, I’m going to read it, and discuss it in a series of columns. All of it. Not “cherry-picked” or “out of context.” The whole thing, beginning to end. … I’ll try to explain how mainstream Muslims who study the Qur’an will understand any given passage, and what its import might be for non-Muslims.”

Despite what is said of the Crusades, they were a campaign to reclaim the holy land from Muslims who had conquered it and they were led by men who knowingly bankrupted themselves and often died in this cause.

The example of Mohamed on forgivness Sahih Muslim, Book 17: 4206

There came to him (the Holy Prophet) a woman from Ghamid and said: Allah's Messenger, I have committed adultery, so purify me. He (the Holy Prophet) turned her away. On the following day she said: Allah's Messenger, Why do you turn me away? Perhaps, you turn me away as you turned away Ma'iz. By Allah, I have become pregnant. He said: Well, if you insist upon it, then go away until you give birth to (the child). When she was delivered she came with the child (wrapped) in a rag and said: Here is the child whom I have given birth to. He said: Go away and suckle him until you wean him. When she had weaned him, she came to him (the Holy Prophet) with the child who was holding a piece of bread in his hand. She said: Allah's Apostle, here is he as I have weaned him and he eats food. He (the Holy Prophet) entrusted the child to one of the Muslims and then pronounced punishment. And she was put in a ditch up to her chest and he commanded people and they stoned her. Khalid b Walid came forward with a stone which he flung at her head and there spurted blood on the face of Khalid and so he abused her. Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) heard his (Khalid's) curse that he had huried upon her. Thereupon he (the Holy Prophet) said: Khalid, be gentle. By Him in Whose Hand is my life, she has made such a repentance that even if a wrongful tax-collector were to repent, he would have been forgiven. Then giving command regarding her, he prayed over her and she was buried.

Killing is the nature of their religion. This has been going on for generations. You see the example of Mohammed played out today in Islamic countries. Somali adulterer stoned to death

The example of Jesus on forgivness (John 8:1-11)

But Jesus went to the Mount of Olives. Early in the morning He came again into the temple, and all the people were coming to Him; and He sat down and began to teach them. The scribes and the Pharisees brought a woman caught in adultery, and having set her in the center of the court, they said to Him, "Teacher, this woman has been caught in adultery, in the very act. "Now in the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women; what then do You say?" They were saying this, testing Him, so that they might have grounds for accusing Him. But Jesus stooped down and with His finger wrote on the ground. But when they persisted in asking Him, He straightened up, and said to them, "He who is without sin among you, let him be the first to throw a stone at her." Again He stooped down and wrote on the ground. When they heard it, they began to go out one by one, beginning with the older ones, and He was left alone, and the woman, where she was, in the center of the court. Straightening up, Jesus said to her, "Woman, where are they? Did no one condemn you?" She said, "No one, Lord." And Jesus said, "I do not condemn you, either. Go. From now on sin no more."

Robert Spencer does a good job here explaining Islam - Blogging the Qur’an Start at the bottom.

9 posted on 03/21/2013 1:50:17 PM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: FatherofFive

You got that right. And our history classes didn’t even give us the true meaning of why the Crusades had to happen. And I was in elementary/high school many many moons ago....


10 posted on 03/21/2013 1:58:24 PM PDT by b4its2late (A Liberal is a person who will give away everything he doesn't own.)
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To: fso301

Politicians have used Christianity and its variants for their own ends.

Islam uses politics for its own ends.

There’s the first major difference.


11 posted on 03/21/2013 2:11:04 PM PDT by Noumenon (One individual with courage, determination and a rifle can change the course of history.)
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To: donmeaker
I figure Islam has as much validity as Christianity, but greater potential for harm.

That has to be the most ill-informed statement I have read in a long time.

Actually take time to study both religions from every angle beyond even the religions themselves(scientifically, mathematically, historically, etc.) and there is no way a sane person can find them on the same plane much less find any validity for islam.

There is no need to "figure" anything when a little study done on your own can get you in the know. You only have to look at Christian societies and islamic societies as a whole to see major differences in their behaviors and freedoms that make huge statements on whether those religions are good or evil.

As a woman I never want to live in an islamic society....nor do I want my granddaughters ever exposed to one. You might have no problem with your daughters or granddaughters being slaves with no protections but I see that as an evil an evil religion commands....a religon worthy of destroying.

12 posted on 03/21/2013 2:37:45 PM PDT by Lady Heron
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To: Noumenon
Politicians have used Christianity and its variants for their own ends.

True but Christianity doesn't provide a framework of legalisms.

13 posted on 03/21/2013 2:38:31 PM PDT by fso301
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To: Sirius Lee
"...there are ‘tards right here on FR insisting that we should save the muzzies."

While simply exterminasting all of them (the "'tards") might at first blush seem harsh, at the very least they should all be spayed/neutered to preclude the rest of the useful gene pool from pollution by or with their progeny.

The very least.

;-\

14 posted on 03/21/2013 2:48:41 PM PDT by Gargantua ("Barbie O'Bunga ~ America's First Fly-Strewn, Maggot-Gagging Fag President")
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To: fso301

Nazism, Hitler & their bible ‘Mein Kampf’ might of survived if only an angel had delivered the message in a dark cave.


15 posted on 03/21/2013 3:17:53 PM PDT by SIRTRIS
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To: donmeaker

“I figure Islam has as much validity as Christianity”

You are shockingly misinformed.

The Catholic Church (I’m a former member) is a garden-variety Christian denomination. It allows members to break its rules and stay in the Church without punishment other than saying prayers and such. Those who wish to leave the Church may at any time and are no longer bound by the rules they weren’t really bound by as members.

You should check into how the above differs from Islam, which is a totalitarian political system using a religion to enforce its rules. When Islam is in full flower in an area, you either join, die or pay monetary tribute to Islam in exchange for staying alive.


16 posted on 03/21/2013 3:37:11 PM PDT by SaxxonWoods (....Let It Burn....)
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To: Noumenon

Jesus died for our sins. Muhammad wants you to die for his. Winston Churchill was right: Islam is the scourge of humanity. It has kept its people trapped in a Medieval mindset.


17 posted on 03/21/2013 4:16:11 PM PDT by NotTallTex
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To: robowombat

I don’t find this interview “shocking” in the least.


18 posted on 03/21/2013 4:21:16 PM PDT by Bob
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To: Lady Heron
Interestingly in Muslim Arab countries where there is an organic Christian presence (Jordan for instance, where certain tribes have been Christian since the time of Constantine and have never converted) the same shame and guilt ethic prevails among the Christian Arabs as the Muslims. These people embrace veiling, arranged marriage and honor killings with relish. Islam is toxic but Arab Islam ids social and political hydrophobia.
19 posted on 03/21/2013 4:36:40 PM PDT by robowombat
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To: donmeaker
Followers of Christ can be good people, just as followers of Mohammed can be good people.

Not in the same sense at all.

Folks like Mother Teresa who follow Christ devoutly are good people in anybody's eyes (excepting a few rabid atheists).

Folks like Osama who follow Mad Mo devoutly are definitely not good people as far as a non-muslim is concerned.

The only good people (in the Western sense) among the Muslims are those who don't take their faith seriously.

"Western sense" - good to family & neighbors & strangers; no code that allows you to rob, rape, and enslave or kill folks of another religion.

20 posted on 03/21/2013 4:53:36 PM PDT by slowhandluke (It's hard to be cynical enough in this age.)
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To: robowombat

bkmk


21 posted on 03/21/2013 5:54:52 PM PDT by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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To: FatherofFive

I often wonder, if an individual were to recite this passage in the UK, would he be arrested for ‘hate speech’. Imagine, repeating a passage written by one of the nation’s greatest leaders landing one in gaol. How the West has devolved.


22 posted on 03/22/2013 2:09:59 PM PDT by pluvmantelo (Better 99 men suffer than 1 enjoy illicit narcotics-M Bloomberg)
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To: bramps

My limited understanding is Jesus didn’t have a steady job.


23 posted on 03/22/2013 4:09:22 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: donmeaker

Why not increase your understanding then by reading the New Testament? Depending on what others tell them is what gets liberals into trouble.


24 posted on 03/22/2013 8:47:13 PM PDT by bramps (Sarah Palin got more votes in 2008 than Mitt Romney got in 2012)
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To: bramps

Do you have evidence that he had a steady job?


25 posted on 03/23/2013 4:05:53 AM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: donmeaker

What is your point?


26 posted on 03/23/2013 5:31:22 AM PDT by bramps (Sarah Palin got more votes in 2008 than Mitt Romney got in 2012)
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To: bramps

My primary point is the separation of church and state that is traditional and accepted by Christianity makes even the errors of its adherents less harmful than those of Islam.

Second, when discussing religion, language changes. We all seem to accept that the exact opposite of the truth is the greatest form of “TRUTH” when discussing religion. For example,

“Jesus Christ is the perfect man and worthy of emulation.” can be accepted by a religious Christian in a religious setting. When it is pointed out the Jesus Christ was not documented as having a job, never married, didn’t have any children, his value as a role model diminishes for those of us who have steady jobs, marriage and children, but religious Christians have difficulty with statements that his value as a role model is diminished. Christians just don’t apply bad examples to their every day life, in part due to our habit of separation of church and state. That habit built on the Jewish domination by Rome, and the European reformation where state churches often had to come to terms with many people in their country that were dissenters.

By contrast Mohammed is held by Islamists as a role model, and his example as a married (with multiple wives) man with children, his occupation as a successful caravan raider is pointed out. His example of having murdered the local Jews after the battle of the ditch is considered as a good example for what to do after resistance stops, not just to the enemy, but to those insufficiently enthusiastic. That murder of innocents is their guide for what they would do after they took over Israel, or Detroit.

As such though I as a matter of conscience do not hold to either faith, I find the Muslim faith significantly more harmful.


27 posted on 03/24/2013 12:56:32 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: donmeaker

Have you studied the New Testament?


28 posted on 03/24/2013 6:36:52 PM PDT by bramps (Sarah Palin got more votes in 2008 than Mitt Romney got in 2012)
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To: bramps

Oh yes, back when I was at Evangel College, Springfield Mo.

Took both Old Testament, and New Testament.

Also read “The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross” by John Hanson.

I use the New American Version (RC imprimature) by preference.


29 posted on 03/25/2013 5:50:05 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: NotTallTex

I think you are an optimist. Medieval would be a step forward for many Muzzies.


30 posted on 03/25/2013 5:53:04 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: donmeaker

Oops, John Allegro, not John Hanson.


31 posted on 03/25/2013 5:54:59 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: donmeaker
So do you think Jesus was insane, an extraordinary liar, or the actual Son of God, God in the flesh, as he said he was? He had to be one of the three.
32 posted on 03/25/2013 6:35:15 PM PDT by bramps (Sarah Palin got more votes in 2008 than Mitt Romney got in 2012)
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To: bramps

He could be a fiction.

Mark wrote a fiction. The author of Matthew wrote a fiction, cribbing from Mark, (but falsifying his identity, Matthew the apostle wouldn’t need to crib from a mere secretary to Paul).

Luke cribbed from Matthew.

John is different. Different stories, different message. Rather like reading a translation of Beowulf and reading the writings of Ibn Fadlin from 922.

Well, some of the names are the same.


33 posted on 03/27/2013 4:24:02 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: donmeaker
Hold on now. Earlier when you wanted to denigrate Jesus he certainly existed to you. So talking about the Jesus you say had many negative traits, was he insane also, a liar, or the son of God, God in the flesh as he said he was?
34 posted on 03/27/2013 6:16:40 PM PDT by bramps (Sarah Palin got more votes in 2008 than Mitt Romney got in 2012)
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To: bramps

I said there was no evidence that he held a job. That would be true of a fictional character, or of an actual person who didn’t have a job, or any number of common people.


35 posted on 03/27/2013 8:39:52 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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