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Can you get Obamacare? This insanely complicated chart will tell you.
Washington Post ^ | March 20, 2013 | Sarah Kliff

Posted on 03/21/2013 3:45:58 PM PDT by Seizethecarp

Last week I posted a copy of the draft application for Obamacare benefits, which clocks in at a hefty 21 pages.

Consumer advocates and Wonkblog commenters had similar questions: Why on earth would the federal government create such a complex form to obtain a public benefit?

For me, at least, the flowchart below provides a bit of an answer. It comes from the National Association of Insurance Commissioners, which represents the regulators who oversee each state’s insurance market. It is an attempt to draw up the most basic, simple questions to determine eligibility for insurance subsidies or Medicaid.

It can take as many as six questions just to determine an individual’s ability to buy insurance. An eight-question chain sorts out eligibility to eschew employer coverage and buy an individual plan with a tax credit instead.

In a way, this is a natural extension of the law’s structure. The Affordable Care Act grows two different insurance programs, Medicaid and the individual market. Information on income levels is needed to figure out who qualifies for which one.

The Obama administration isn’t collecting 21 pages of information for its own entertainment. It’s collecting 21 pages of information to figure out where people land on this flowchart.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 0care; 0careapplication; defundobamacare; obamacare; zerocare
More proof that lame duck POTUS Barry will be the most reviled US president ever even in socialist US states! We won't have to wait long now as the public is waking up and Barry's polls are falling every week. He is underwater already.
1 posted on 03/21/2013 3:45:58 PM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: Seizethecarp

And he is already so paranoid that he has a food taster! Cracking up!!!! Cannot come soon enough.


2 posted on 03/21/2013 3:59:42 PM PDT by originalbuckeye (Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy)
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To: Seizethecarp

CAN YOU GET OBAMACARE? THIS AMAZINGLY SIMPLE IMAGE WILL TELL YOU!


3 posted on 03/21/2013 4:00:39 PM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Seizethecarp

4 posted on 03/21/2013 4:00:43 PM PDT by Slyfox (The Key to Marxism is Medicine ~ Vladimir Lenin)
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To: Seizethecarp

Government metastasizes like cancer.

The more laws, the more lawyers and bureaucrats required to interpret/enforce/administer.


5 posted on 03/21/2013 4:03:14 PM PDT by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: Seizethecarp
Anyone remember HillaryCare?


6 posted on 03/21/2013 4:04:26 PM PDT by Slyfox (The Key to Marxism is Medicine ~ Vladimir Lenin)
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To: Seizethecarp

Agreed. 0bamaCare will bury Barry.


7 posted on 03/21/2013 4:08:21 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: originalbuckeye
And he is already so paranoid that he has a food taster! Cracking up!!!! Cannot come soon enough.

From wiki:

A food taster is a person that takes food (or drink) to be served to someone else to confirm that it is safe to eat and does not contain toxins or poisons. The person to whom the food is going to be served is usually an important person, like an emperor or monarch, or anyone that could possibly be under threat of assassination or harm. In ancient Rome, the duty was often given to a slave (termed the praegustator).

8 posted on 03/21/2013 4:10:11 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: Seizethecarp
It'll hit him sooner or later. I'm not signing up for obamacare. To me, it's just a HUGE tax increase, like Roberts said, not a reason to do something I am opposed to doing.

Lots of people who didn't have insurance are going to have to face a $imialr reality and there are only a few people to blame for that mi$ery: Roberts and obama, and also Reid and Peelousy.

None the less, republicans will end up getting blamed for it because...well, they're repbublicans and that's about all they're good for: being blamed for demonrat disasters.

9 posted on 03/21/2013 4:12:44 PM PDT by GBA (Here in the Matrix, life is but a dream.)
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To: nascarnation; Seizethecarp; Slyfox
3/21/13 Fox News (Special Report with Bret Baier):

“There has been 17,000 pages of regulations issued so far. I don’t think anybody knows exactly what’s in all of them.”

Jim Capretta, The Ethics and Public Policy Center

“Most of what’s going to happen was not actually written in the legislation. It is up to the discretion of the Obama administration.”

John Goodman, National Center For Policy Analysis
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As many as 44 mil could still be without insurance after the law [fully] takes effect.

Congressional Report -
Congressional Report: Obamacare Leads to Skyrocketing Premiums, 200 Percent Possible

Sebelius: Health law has lowered costs, slowed premium hikes

10 posted on 03/21/2013 4:13:53 PM PDT by thouworm (DEMOGOGUE: leader who makes use of prejudices, false claims and promises to gain power.)
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To: thouworm
“Most of what’s going to happen was not actually written in the legislation. It is up to the discretion of the Obama administration.”

Hence my tagline:

The Key to Marxism is Medicine ~ Vladimir Lenin

WE should probably be glad that they are being so quick and in your face about it.

We are the generation that will get rid of it and all it represents - come hell or high water.

They think they are so smart.

11 posted on 03/21/2013 4:20:50 PM PDT by Slyfox (The Key to Marxism is Medicine ~ Vladimir Lenin)
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To: Seizethecarp

For some reason, the question “Can you get 0bamacare from a toilet seat?” comes to mind.


12 posted on 03/21/2013 4:21:35 PM PDT by Hardastarboard (Buck Off, Bronco Bama)
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To: thouworm
As many as 44 mil could still be without insurance after the law [fully] takes effect.

Maybe my memory isn't working so well anymore (get me a doctor!) but didn't 0bamugabe say before this was passed that there were 15 million people with no insurance who of course just had to be covered.

13 posted on 03/21/2013 4:23:28 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: Seizethecarp

I suppose sooner or later people will figure out there is no actual health carefree or otherwise in Obamacare. It’s a scam where no one but the scammers will benefit. Call it the biggest money laundering and/or kickbacks ever.


14 posted on 03/21/2013 4:34:28 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: GraceG
In ancient Rome, the duty was often given to a slave (termed the praegustator).

Praegustator.

Good to know.

Our President has a praegustator on staff...

15 posted on 03/21/2013 4:36:36 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: nascarnation

It’s a proven fact that the larger the government, the less free are the people. The more laws there are, the less free are the people.


16 posted on 03/21/2013 4:45:06 PM PDT by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: TigersEye
Maybe my memory isn't working so well anymore (get me a doctor!) but didn't 0bamugabe say before this was passed that there were 15 million people with no insurance who of course just had to be covered.

LOL!!! I looked for that fact also and didn't find it. I did find this.

July 24, 2012
Obamacare falls far short of its promise for universal coverage. Since day one, it’s been clear that Obamacare will not achieve universal coverage, and every time CBO revisits the law, the numbers show just that.

In March 2010, when the law passed, CBO predicted that there would be 22 million people still without insurance in 2019.

In March 2012, the estimate increased to 27 million in 2022.

Now, the number has once again increased—to 30 million.

So Obamacare leaves just as many people uninsured as it covers.

Source

17 posted on 03/21/2013 4:49:15 PM PDT by thouworm (DEMOGOGUE: leader who makes use of prejudices, false claims and promises to gain power.)
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To: Slyfox

Thanks for putting the flowchart up on the thread!


18 posted on 03/21/2013 4:55:17 PM PDT by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: Slyfox

“The Key to Marxism is Medicine ~ Vladimir Lenin”

yep! -— the real reason behind ObamaCare. Good tagline.

Didn’t they estimate Obamacare would corner 1/6 of economy? Now, I think I read the estimate is 1/5.

...with third-world care for all.

Already, doctors are quitting practice.
Doctors refusing to take Medicare patients.
Group doctor’s appointments are being “promoted.”

The list could go on and on, and it won’t be fully implemented until 2014.

Hideous monstrosity that helps no one.


19 posted on 03/21/2013 5:06:18 PM PDT by thouworm (DEMOGOGUE: leader who makes use of prejudices, false claims and promises to gain power.)
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To: thouworm

By next Jan. 0bamaCare may succeed in dis-insuring a 100 million people.


20 posted on 03/21/2013 5:09:18 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: Seizethecarp

See FR thread on Obamacare “navigators” that need to be hired to help applicants fill out the 21 page application:

“For insurance exchanges, states need ‘navigators’ — and hiring them is a huge task”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2999462/posts


21 posted on 03/21/2013 5:17:12 PM PDT by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: Seizethecarp; Slyfox; All
...vast numbers who are confused by the myriad choices will need to sit down with someone who can walk them through the process.

Enter the “navigators,” an enormous new workforce of helpers required under the law.

In large measure, the success of the law and its overriding aim of making sure that virtually all Americans have health insurance depends on these people.

But the challenge of hiring and paying for a new class of workers is immense and is one of the most pressing issues as the Obama administration and state governments implement the law.

Tens of thousands of workers will be needed — California alone plans to certify 21,000 helpers — with the tab likely to run in the hundreds of millions of dollars.

For insurance exchanges, states need ‘navigators’ — and hiring them is a huge task

22 posted on 03/21/2013 5:21:42 PM PDT by thouworm (DEMOGOGUE: leader who makes use of prejudices, false claims and promises to gain power.)
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To: thouworm

it would have been cheaper to just buy private health health insurance for the uninsured, and leave the rest of us alone.


23 posted on 03/21/2013 5:24:56 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (So?)
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To: thouworm
Don't worry, the 21 page application comes with a 61 page explanatory document.

EDITORIAL: The Obamacare application March 18, 2013

The enrollment season begins Oct. 1, and the health bureaucrats have quietly posted a 21-page draft of the application for Obamacare. It’s accompanied by a 61-page explanatory document. The form offers 23 racial identities to choose from — including “other” — and individuals are encouraged to “check all that apply.” Detailed information about a person’s sources of income and expenses must be provided, so the government will know how much comes from alimony, how much from rentals, even how much revenue comes from fishing.


24 posted on 03/21/2013 5:33:29 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: freekitty

” It’s a scam where no one but the scammers will benefit. Call it the biggest money laundering and/or kickbacks ever.”

My first thought when I read the article in post 22.

Another gargantuan leftist crony deal, no matter if they are state/federal “navigators” or private contractor “navigators.”


25 posted on 03/21/2013 5:34:01 PM PDT by thouworm (DEMOGOGUE: leader who makes use of prejudices, false claims and promises to gain power.)
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To: Seizethecarp

Shades of Hillarycare.


26 posted on 03/21/2013 5:37:31 PM PDT by La Lydia
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To: Trailerpark Badass
it would have been cheaper to just buy private health health insurance for the uninsured, and leave the rest of us alone.

Seriously! That point was mentioned time after time before ObamaCare was jammed down our throats, but as Slyfox pointed out---healthcare was never the objective.

27 posted on 03/21/2013 5:38:08 PM PDT by thouworm (DEMOGOGUE: leader who makes use of prejudices, false claims and promises to gain power.)
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To: thouworm
I have a friend whose health insurance has been suspended because she is considered "high risk."

Yeah, she has high blood pressure so they dropped her.

I don't know how that works.

She is now searching for a new doctor.

If Obama and his goons cannot even create a less than 15 page sign-up form that is legible enough for an ordinary person to understand, how can the entire program be even remotely coherent?

ObamaScare is designed to grab all of our freedoms from us. It is not designed to provide affordable healthcare.

When good people realize the extent to which they have been lied to, that is when things will change.

Obama has not felt REAL change yet.

I do believe that the biggest effect of ObamaScare will be the wake-up call.

28 posted on 03/21/2013 5:49:04 PM PDT by Slyfox (The Key to Marxism is Medicine ~ Vladimir Lenin)
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To: thouworm
Enter the “navigators,” an enormous new workforce of helpers required under the law.

Think TSA and your local Social Security office.

29 posted on 03/21/2013 5:54:23 PM PDT by Slyfox (The Key to Marxism is Medicine ~ Vladimir Lenin)
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To: Slyfox
Isn't it great there is a "Office of Civil Rights" and a "Office of Minority Health" in there?


30 posted on 03/21/2013 6:03:45 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: Slyfox

“I have a friend whose health insurance has been suspended because she is considered “high risk.”

Yeah, she has high blood pressure so they dropped her.”
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Today, high BP generally can be controlled with low-cost medication.

How is that even possible that they would consider your friend “high risk”? Is friend’s BP uncontrollable even with BP meds?

Not asking for answers, but friend’s case seems too outrageous not to be appealable if that is the sole reason for being dropped.

PS: I like ObamaScare. I’ve been keywording some of the more recent threads with 0care or zerocare.

“ObamaCare” is now used in most news, and Obama swells with pride every time he hears it.


31 posted on 03/21/2013 6:34:22 PM PDT by thouworm (DEMOGOGUE: leader who makes use of prejudices, false claims and promises to gain power.)
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To: thouworm

Is “high-risk” just a bureaucratic euphemism for “pre-existing condition?”


32 posted on 03/21/2013 7:02:38 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (So?)
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To: Slyfox

Is this FPL based on gross income or AGI?


33 posted on 03/21/2013 7:03:00 PM PDT by reformedliberal
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To: reformedliberal
Is this FPL based on gross income or AGI?

I have no idea.

34 posted on 03/21/2013 7:48:17 PM PDT by Slyfox (The Key to Marxism is Medicine ~ Vladimir Lenin)
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To: thouworm

Believe it. That’s where all our money has been going for years.


35 posted on 03/22/2013 10:07:27 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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