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Pope Francis says atheists can be 'allies' for the church
cleveland.com ^ | March 20, 2013 | Alessandro Speciale

Posted on 03/21/2013 7:01:15 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe

VATICAN CITY -- Pope Francis extended a hand to those who don't belong to any religion, urging them on Wednesday to work with believers to build peace and protect the environment.

In his first ecumenical meeting, the new pope greeted representatives from Christian churches and other religions, including Jewish and Muslim leaders, who had come to Rome to attend his inaugural Mass on Tuesday.

Francis said that he intends to follow "on the path of ecumenical dialogue" set for the Roman Catholic Church by the Second Vatican Council (1962-65).

But he also reached out to those who don't belong "to any religious tradition" but feel the "need to search for the truth, the goodness and the beauty of God."

Francis echoed his predecessor, Pope Benedict XVI, saying that the "attempt to eliminate God and the divine from the horizon of humanity" has often led to catastrophic violence.

But Francis, who has set a humbler tone to the papacy since his election on March 13, added that atheists and believers can be "precious allies" in their efforts "to defend the dignity of man, in the building of a peaceful coexistence between peoples and in the careful protection of creation."

Francis also stressed the "very special spiritual bond" between Catholics and Jews.

"There is no doubt that Catholic-Jewish relations will go from strength to even greater strength during Pope Francis's pontificate," said Rabbi David Rosen, International Director of Interreligious Affairs of the American Jewish Committee, after meeting with Francis.

Earlier on Wednesday, the pope met privately with the spiritual leader of Eastern Orthodox Christians, Patriarch Bartholomew of Constantinople.

According to the Patriarchate of Constantinople, Bartholomew and Francis are planning a joint visit to Jerusalem in 2014 to mark the 50th anniversary of the 1964 meeting between Pope Paul VI and Patriarch Athenagoras.

That meeting led to the cancellation of the reciprocal excommunications between the leaders of western and eastern Christianity in 1054, otherwise known as the "Great Schism."

Bartholomew attended Francis' inauguration on Tuesday, the first Patriarch to do so in over 900 years.


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: papacy; pope; popefrances; popefrancis

1 posted on 03/21/2013 7:01:15 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Wake up, Francis! Atheists have no other goal than destroying faith all across the world. They’re the enemies of every person of faith.


2 posted on 03/21/2013 7:05:36 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: Tailgunner Joe

“to build peace and protect the environment”

Uhhh, OK.


3 posted on 03/21/2013 7:09:57 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: Tailgunner Joe; Viennacon

Ordinay atheists can and should be evangelized.

“Evangelical atheists”—the militant, ACLU types should be euthanized.


4 posted on 03/21/2013 7:10:49 PM PDT by lightman (If the Patriarchate of the East held a state like the Vatican I would apply for political asylum.)
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To: Viennacon

An Atheist like Richard Dawkins is an enemy... An Atheist like Penn Gillette who seeks truth can be an ally.

Understanding the difference is a healthy thing.


5 posted on 03/21/2013 7:13:13 PM PDT by rwilson99 (Please tell me how the words "shall not perish and have everlasting life" would NOT apply to Mary.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

The Catholics in America already vote with the atheists, and already clearly share the agenda of the democrat party and of the left.

So what is his message?


6 posted on 03/21/2013 7:17:05 PM PDT by ansel12 (" I would not be in the United States Senate if it wasnt for Sarah Palin " Cruz said.)
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To: rwilson99

He knows the diff.

Catholic teaching is that people are judged - at the time of judgment, that is - by what they know/their exposure and the disposition of their beliefs


7 posted on 03/21/2013 7:18:04 PM PDT by stanne
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To: rwilson99

I have met a lot more Dawkins-ites than Gillette-ites, including the most radical leftist I’ve ever had the displeasure of meeting, who said he thought abortions should be celebrated.


8 posted on 03/21/2013 7:25:38 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: Viennacon

Not necessarily the case. Simon Heffer, the British Conservative columnist is an atheist who believes in Christianity as force for good, even if he himself doesn’t believe.


9 posted on 03/21/2013 7:26:00 PM PDT by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: Tailgunner Joe

“But he also reached out to those who don’t belong “to any religious tradition” but feel the “need to search for the truth, the goodness and the beauty of God.”

“Francis echoed his predecessor, Pope Benedict XVI, saying that the “attempt to eliminate God and the divine from the horizon of humanity” has often led to catastrophic violence.”

... The media prioritizes quotes as it sees fit- to push whatever agenda they’re trying to push.


10 posted on 03/21/2013 7:42:54 PM PDT by SMCC1
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan

Oh, I have no doubt there are atheists who are lost, yet understand why Christianity is essential to our civilization. I’m just saying most of the ones I have met have been belligerent towards faith.


11 posted on 03/21/2013 7:44:57 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: F15Eagle
Uhhh, OK.

Got to admit my Catholic reaction is exactly the same.

12 posted on 03/21/2013 7:55:46 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not NurtureĀ™)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Our little pro-life group has one atheist, and I tell him he’s our secret weapon. People wonder what he’s doing there? He just SEES that abortion is wrong. Don’t need no dogma. Makes them think maybe, since they can’t brush him off as a religious clinger.


13 posted on 03/21/2013 8:07:40 PM PDT by firebrand
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Allies in the war against Islam, perhaps.


14 posted on 03/21/2013 8:10:00 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Francis also stressed the "very special spiritual bond" between Catholics and Jews.

"There is no doubt that Catholic-Jewish relations will go from strength to even greater strength during Pope Francis's pontificate," said Rabbi David Rosen, International Director of Interreligious Affairs of the American Jewish Committee, after meeting with Francis.

American Jewish Committee are Pro Obama Leftists
http://www.ajc.org/site/c.7oJILSPwFfJSG/b.8452673/k.948A/AJC_Google_Search.htm?q=obama

AJC’s Rabbi David Rosen Meets Pope Francis
March 20, 2013

"Rosen, one of only a select few Jews to have received the Papal Knighthood, was among twelve Jewish leaders from Argentina, Israel, Italy and the U.S. invited to the installation and today’s private audience with the Pope."

"At the installation ceremony the Jewish delegation was the only non-Christian religious group which Pope Francis publicly welcomed by name. “Today, at the private audience, we were greeted with special warmth,” said Rosen. "
http://www.ajc.org/site/apps/nlnet/content3.aspx?c=7oJILSPwFfJSG&b=8478375&ct=13047941&notoc=1

Papal Knighthood Given to a Jewish Rabbi
http://www.traditioninaction.org/HotTopics/a029htRabbiKnight_Morella.htm

15 posted on 03/21/2013 8:51:30 PM PDT by haffast (Books serve to show a man that those original thoughts of his aren't very new at all. -Abe Lincoln)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Yikes...he sounds like the head of the United Nations, hooked on globalism, unicorns and lollipops..


16 posted on 03/21/2013 8:55:26 PM PDT by txrefugee
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To: ansel12
The Catholics in America already vote with the atheists, and already clearly share the agenda of the democrat party and of the left.

Oh yeah?

Just like the late lamented Quix, I'm quite sure you wouldn't have the balls to say that to my Catholic face.

17 posted on 03/21/2013 8:57:47 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (So?)
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To: Viennacon

American atheists are just ignorant enough of history to think that the peace and prosperity we’ve enjoyed are endemic to the human condition.


18 posted on 03/21/2013 9:01:25 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (So?)
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To: firebrand
God's truth is discernible to even the most ignorant.

But the lies have been spread so thick, so effectively in the past century, that any sincere Christian who writes off those who have not yet seen is completely ignorant of Christ's message, and charge.

19 posted on 03/21/2013 9:12:45 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (So?)
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To: Viennacon

Animals fight hardest right before they’re about to give in.


20 posted on 03/21/2013 9:14:20 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (So?)
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To: Trailerpark Badass

Good cross aligned baloney. Heavy.


21 posted on 03/21/2013 9:29:23 PM PDT by RedHeeler
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To: Trailerpark Badass

Good Lord man, you don’t know who makes up the democrat vote?

Pointing out that the majority of Catholic voters and atheist voters both vote democrat, doesn’t attack you as a person or as a catholic, it is about voting, and it sure doesn’t call for internet threats, it is ordinary voting data.

You didn’t know that the Catholics vote with the atheists?


22 posted on 03/21/2013 9:41:12 PM PDT by ansel12 (" I would not be in the United States Senate if it wasnt for Sarah Palin " Cruz said.)
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To: ansel12
Don't be an ass.

I know, it's hard.

23 posted on 03/21/2013 9:47:00 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (So?)
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To: RedHeeler

Not sure what you meant. Pretty sure I don’t care.


24 posted on 03/21/2013 9:48:18 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (So?)
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To: ansel12
You didn’t know that the Catholics vote with the atheists?

Here's a clue: those aren't Catholics, anymore than Bill Clinton is a Christian.

You said Catholics vote for atheists.

I am a Catholic, thus you've said I vote for atheists.

Good lord man, did the secular humanists at your public school teach you logic, forensic rhetoric??

25 posted on 03/21/2013 9:53:47 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (So?)
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To: Trailerpark Badass

Okay.


26 posted on 03/21/2013 9:56:29 PM PDT by RedHeeler
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To: Trailerpark Badass

Would you show me the quote of me saying that you or anyone votes for atheists?

You can also quit playing this game that Catholics who are members of the Catholic church, are not Catholics unless they vote like you do.


27 posted on 03/21/2013 10:06:31 PM PDT by ansel12 (" I would not be in the United States Senate if it wasnt for Sarah Palin " Cruz said.)
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To: ansel12
You didn’t know that the Catholics vote with the atheists?

Are you OK?

On medication?

28 posted on 03/21/2013 10:10:43 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (So?)
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To: ansel12
You can also quit playing this game that Catholics who are members of the Catholic church, are not Catholics unless they vote like you do.

Voting?

29 posted on 03/21/2013 10:13:59 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (So?)
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To: Trailerpark Badass

Votes WITH, not FOR.

The majority of atheists, and the majority of Catholics, vote for the democrat party, “The Catholics in America already vote with the atheists, and already clearly share the agenda of the democrat party and of the left.”.

That is just a political reality and of great concern to conservatives or will be if they find out about it, especially in view of more mass Catholic immigration.

We can educate conservatives and pro-lifers, and the many Catholics here on the truth of the Catholic vote, and what Catholic immigration means in regards to saving the lives of the unborn and preserving conservatism in America....if that is our goal.


30 posted on 03/21/2013 10:16:45 PM PDT by ansel12 (" I would not be in the United States Senate if it wasnt for Sarah Palin " Cruz said.)
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To: Trailerpark Badass
So if an atheist votes for your candidate, you're voting with atheists.

When an overwhelming majority of atheists (and militant anti-theists) vote for a certain candidate or Party, and one votes for that same certain candidate or Party, then it can be rationally said, one IS voting WITH the atheist voting block.

Now there could be more to the story concerning Catholic voting patterns...but still...given the above conditions...there is no way to escape the given aspect.

More than half of the overall Roman Catholic vote consistently goes to Democrats. In one primary aspect, there's really no if's, ands, or buts about it, tough guy.

Don't get me wrong...I'm not saying you yourself are aligned with atheists, but around half of the RC vote IS aligned with them. The Mexican immigrants get gimme's and immigration crumbs like the Dream Act, put into effect by Executive fiat, even though both the Senate and House rejected it (it didn't make it into law).

Hispanic voters went over to Obama in big numbers. Many or most were at least nominally RC. Hispanic Catholics voted overwhelmingly for Obama, even as "white" RC'ers in this last election, voted close to 60% for Romney, but then again Paul Ryan, a RC adherent, was on the ticket, too.

It wasn't enough to convince Hispanics to vote for long term interests (or even much see those)...save for the growing Reconquista contingent & sentiment among Hispanic immigrants (the word Reconquista itself, has RC origins, but is being presently reapplied by Mexicans wanting to "take back" California, Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas) which subset of the "Mexican immigrant vote" DID vote their own personal long term interests, which includes a partial take-down of America as we know it, and all the "free money" they can get in the meantime.

32 posted on 03/21/2013 11:57:51 PM PDT by BlueDragon (the beatings will continue until morale improves)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Pray for their conversion your holiness.


33 posted on 03/22/2013 4:24:37 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: txrefugee
he sounds like the head of the United Nations, hooked on globalism, unicorns and lollipops..

From his first homily as Pope, during Mass with the Cardinals in the Sistine Chapel:

"We can walk as much as we want, we can build many things, but if we do not profess Jesus Christ, things go wrong. We may become a charitable NGO, but not the Church, the Bride of the Lord."

34 posted on 03/22/2013 6:37:45 AM PDT by ELS
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To: ELS

Francis...what has light got to do with darkness? Mix them and you just get an ugly, muddy shade of gray. The Lord is not a compromiser. As Joshua said: Who is on the Lord’s side? Either choose one way or the other, but you cannot have it both ways. Francis should know this.


35 posted on 03/22/2013 6:46:21 AM PDT by freepertoo
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To: Viennacon

Who knows what people really think. Perhaps someone is an atheist and just keeps it to himself. From his point of view it might seem as rude as telling a kid there’s no Santa Claus.


36 posted on 03/22/2013 7:08:29 AM PDT by conejo99
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To: ansel12

Really. I do?


37 posted on 03/22/2013 11:17:39 AM PDT by Hildred Castaigne
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To: Hildred Castaigne

My guess is that you know that the “Catholic vote” means the majority of Catholic voters, not each and every single individual, but maybe I take too much for granted in thinking that you would know that.


38 posted on 03/22/2013 11:41:38 AM PDT by ansel12 (" I would not be in the United States Senate if it wasnt for Sarah Palin " Cruz said.)
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To: ansel12

Generally, when someone says “Catholics vote Democratic.” or similar without a qualifier of “a majority of” or “some” or whatever, I take them at their word. Considering the hostility of a large majority of Protestants towards Catholics, I consider it wise to do so.


39 posted on 03/22/2013 12:28:41 PM PDT by Hildred Castaigne
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To: Hildred Castaigne

You must be a ball in conversation as everyone has to stop and spell things out for you.

How do Catholics vote? democrat.


40 posted on 03/22/2013 12:34:09 PM PDT by ansel12 (" I would not be in the United States Senate if it wasnt for Sarah Palin " Cruz said.)
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To: Hildred Castaigne
Generally, when someone says “Catholics vote Democratic.” or similar without a qualifier of “a majority of” or “some” or whatever, I take them at their word.

Hmmm, hard to believe anyone would think ALL Catholics voter in the manner described and would just take a stranger's word on it.

Considering the hostility of a large majority of Protestants towards Catholics

Similar situation. You statement is not true. At least not here at FR nor in my experience.

41 posted on 03/22/2013 12:34:28 PM PDT by Syncro ("So?" -Andrew Breitbart [1969-2012] RIP King of The New Media)
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To: ansel12

LOL!


42 posted on 03/22/2013 12:34:51 PM PDT by Syncro ("So?" -Andrew Breitbart [1969-2012] RIP King of The New Media)
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To: txrefugee
Yikes...he sounds like the head of the United Nations, hooked on globalism, unicorns and lollipops..

Um, no. Pope Francis has seen the disastrous results of the workings of the ultra-right, with the Argentine Govt., and of the ultra left, with the Communists in Latin America, and some of his Jesuit brothers working with them. He is not interested in over-arching government. He has also seen more grinding poverty than any in his country will ever know, and knows that it isn't something God wants for those people.

He is also of the belief that the world God has given us is precious, and we shouldn't destroy it with unbridled pollution and wastefulness. We should be good stewards of God's creation.

43 posted on 03/23/2013 3:59:59 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Tailgunner Joe

According to the Bible, God is going to destroy the environment. Mr. Pope should focus on saving men’s souls rather than trees. Not much time left.


44 posted on 03/23/2013 4:21:33 PM PDT by Dogbert41
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To: SuziQ
"Pope Francis has seen the disastrous results of the workings of the ultra-right, with the Argentine Govt., and of the ultra left, with the Communists in Latin America, and some of his Jesuit brothers working with them. He is not interested in over-arching government."

I'm still trying to get Pope Francis' perspective on a prevailing ideology down south - Social Justice. I believe your opinion is that he rejects the Marxist Social Justice doctrines. I truly hope so. It’s a government controlled “race to the bottom”.

It seems to me that your comment equates "ultra-right" as promoting statistism (government control). Please correct me if I’m wrong.

My comment on your quote above is that “ultra-Right” is the opposite of government control and power. From a pure Left vs Right perspective, Left is government power (Marxist/Fascist/Socialist) and Right is NO government power (Anarchy). Somewhere toward the left is Democracy (mob rule) and toward the right is a Constitutional Republic (rule by law).

45 posted on 03/24/2013 2:26:40 PM PDT by uncommonsense (Conservatives believe what they see; Liberals see what they believe.)
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