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India testfires World First Supersonic submarine launched Cruise Missile
China.org.cn ^

Posted on 03/21/2013 8:14:02 PM PDT by MBT ARJUN

India successfully testfired its submarine-launched version of BrahMos supersonic cruise missile for the first time on Wednesday in the Bay of Bengal off the coast of the southern port city of Visakhapatnam, a top official said. "The submarine-launched version of BrahMos was successfully testfired from an underwater pontoon near Visakhapatnam in the southern state of Andhra Pradesh. This is the first testfiring of an underwater supersonic cruise missile anywhere in the world and the missile traveled its complete range of over 290 km," Head of BrahMos A. Sivathanu Pillai told the media. With the testfiring, India became the world's first country to have this capability. The country has already successfully testfired the ship and ground- launched versions of the missile for the Indian Navy and the Indian Army respectively. "BrahMos missile is fully ready for fitment in submarines in vertical launch configuration which will make the platform one of the most powerful weapon platforms in the world," Pillai added. A hypersonic version of the missile is currently under development with speed of Mach 7 to boost aerial fast strike capability. It is expected to be ready for testing by 2017, according to sources. The BrahMos missile program is a joint venture between India's state-owned Defense Research and Development Organisation and Russia's NPO Mashinostroeyenia who have together formed BrahMos Aerospace Private Limited. The name BrahMos is a portmanteau formed from the names of two rivers, the Brahmaputra of India and the Moskva of Russia.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: china; india; russia; slbm

1 posted on 03/21/2013 8:14:02 PM PDT by MBT ARJUN
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2 posted on 03/21/2013 8:17:45 PM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: MBT ARJUN

Impressive!


3 posted on 03/21/2013 8:18:00 PM PDT by null and void (If the government is so worried about civil disturbance, why are they working so hard to disturb us?)
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To: MBT ARJUN

Meanwhile, we wind down our capabilities.


4 posted on 03/21/2013 8:20:10 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: null and void

Hope it works well against Chinese aircraft carriers.


5 posted on 03/21/2013 8:20:52 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: martin_fierro

Doubt it considering the intake


6 posted on 03/21/2013 8:21:51 PM PDT by AppyPappy (You never see a massacre at a gun show.)
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To: martin_fierro

BrahMos: It’s what’s fer dinner!


7 posted on 03/21/2013 8:22:43 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: MBT ARJUN

You think the “pock-ee-stan-ians” are a bit more nervous today?


8 posted on 03/21/2013 8:23:02 PM PDT by snuffy smiff (Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy.)
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To: MBT ARJUN

I should make a scale model rocket of it!


9 posted on 03/21/2013 8:23:14 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: MBT ARJUN

290km is just a hogwash to comply with MTCR.The actual range is around 500-600km.


10 posted on 03/21/2013 8:25:52 PM PDT by MBT ARJUN
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To: AppyPappy

Its an air breathing ,ram jet Missile.Currently the world Fastest CMissile.


11 posted on 03/21/2013 8:31:43 PM PDT by MBT ARJUN
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To: MBT ARJUN

Supersonic... because those boats might outrun a subsonic missile /s


12 posted on 03/21/2013 8:45:33 PM PDT by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: AppyPappy
Doubt it considering the intake

You doubt "what"?

Aero or propulsion expert, are you?

13 posted on 03/21/2013 8:53:09 PM PDT by doorgunner69
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To: Kevmo

It won’t need to outrun the boats, but just the anti-missile systems protecting it.

An aircraft carrier has a snowball’s chance in Hell of being able to swat out a supersonic missile locked onto it. Imagine a rainstorm of these...


14 posted on 03/21/2013 8:55:47 PM PDT by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: martin_fierro

India had those thousands of years ago...

15 posted on 03/21/2013 9:01:24 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: James C. Bennett
Soviet doctrine IIRC was for multiple compass point attack to overwhelm the defense.

Dunno how USN supersonic missile defense has improved in the last two decades, but all I can say is I hope for all our sailor's lives it is far more advanced.

We do not even have a realistic target for them to practice against.

16 posted on 03/21/2013 9:01:53 PM PDT by doorgunner69
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To: martin_fierro

It looks a lot like a Talos that was used by our Navy years ago. Talos was a surface-to-air missile carried on Los Angeles (?) class cruisers.


17 posted on 03/21/2013 9:02:37 PM PDT by wjcsux ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - George Orwell)
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To: Kevmo

They are working on a hypersonic version, also!


18 posted on 03/21/2013 9:05:35 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: wjcsux
Talos missile:


19 posted on 03/21/2013 9:08:32 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: James C. Bennett

An aircraft carrier has a snowball’s chance in Hell of being able to swat out a supersonic missile locked onto it. Imagine a rainstorm of these...
***I used to imagine exactly that about 5-6 years ago with China bearing down on our aircraft carriers, and I was characterized as a bedwetter, hah hah.


20 posted on 03/21/2013 9:33:09 PM PDT by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: MBT ARJUN

bttt


21 posted on 03/21/2013 9:37:57 PM PDT by TEXOKIE (We must surrender only to our Holy God and never to the evil that has befallen us.)
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To: James C. Bennett

If true, then the Indians just made a conventional warfare quantum leap over the rest of the world. Too bad Obama doesn’t believe in America making great strides forward.


22 posted on 03/21/2013 9:44:31 PM PDT by Crucial (Tolerance at the expense of equal treatment is the path to tyranny.)
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To: James C. Bennett

They can defend against anti-ship missiles fired at them that go just as fast. A supersonic cruise missile is just a larger target. However, like you mentioned a hail storm of these might be effective.


23 posted on 03/21/2013 9:52:04 PM PDT by miliantnutcase
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To: miliantnutcase

I’d be more afraid of supersonic submarines...


24 posted on 03/21/2013 11:25:05 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Kevmo
Supersonic... because those boats might outrun a subsonic missile /s

You;re almost right. Not outrun, outfight.

With a subsonic cruise missile the CIWS defence has to knock it out between 4km (when the fire control can first identifty it as a threat) and 1Km (after than, even if you destroy the guidance or flight control, the "dead" bird may still make a ballistic hit) that's about 10 seconds for a subsonic missle.

Now make the missile Mach 3. Far engagement range is the same, close engagement range moves out to 2Km. So 2/3 the engagement window at 3-4 times the speed. Time to target and hit goes down to 2 seconds.

25 posted on 03/22/2013 1:28:26 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (I think, therefore I am what I yam, and that's all I yam - "Popeye" Descartes)
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To: tet68

I’ve always wanted a supersonic submarine. Makes is easier to sneak up on enemy submarines.


26 posted on 03/22/2013 1:31:40 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: MBT ARJUN

Keep in mind too, for you doubters out there, the BrahMos is already active in the Indian military. This latest test is just of the *sub-launched* version. There’s already a land and a sea-surface-launched version in active service.

Now, if the Indian sub guys can just talk Russia into letting them use the Shkval supercavitating torpedo, China’s dream of a blue-water navy will have to take an extended hiatus.


27 posted on 03/22/2013 1:32:03 AM PDT by Little Pig (Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici.)
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Well, not really. The anti-missle systems have about 21 seconds to detect and counter inbounds once they clear the horizon.

Plenty of time for a RAM or Gatling gun system to take it out.

A swarm is of concern (5 < x < 10), but these are can be dealt with as well.

After that though, a ship is probably boned.

28 posted on 03/22/2013 4:18:03 AM PDT by Freeport (The proper application of high explosives will remove all obstacles.)
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To: Freeport

See Oztrich Boy’s reply above:

“With a subsonic cruise missile the CIWS defence has to knock it out between 4km (when the fire control can first identifty it as a threat) and 1Km (after than, even if you destroy the guidance or flight control, the “dead” bird may still make a ballistic hit) that’s about 10 seconds for a subsonic missle.

Now make the missile Mach 3. Far engagement range is the same, close engagement range moves out to 2Km. So 2/3 the engagement window at 3-4 times the speed. Time to target and hit goes down to 2 seconds.”


29 posted on 03/22/2013 7:00:26 AM PDT by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: tet68

LOL! Until they hit a reef doing 800mph. I wonder what an underwater sonic boom would be like?


30 posted on 03/22/2013 7:39:13 AM PDT by miliantnutcase
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To: BenLurkin
Hope it works well against Chinese aircraft carriers.

BrahMos is a joint venture between India and Russia. Think Russia will have a market for missiles capable of knocking out US ships?

The faster the terminal velocity, the less time the target has to react with anti-missile systems.

31 posted on 03/22/2013 7:53:11 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: mylife
Meanwhile, we wind down our capabilities.

And arm DHS - Domestic House Stormers - to the teeth...

32 posted on 03/22/2013 7:57:41 AM PDT by Sirius Lee (All that is required for evil to advance is for government to do "something")
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To: Little Pig

And the integration of air launched version for the Su-30MKI is already underway.


33 posted on 03/22/2013 12:45:05 PM PDT by ravager (I)
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To: Crucial; MBT ARJUN

Bit of hyperventilation in the article. The Brahmos is not the world’s first supersonic sub-launched CM. The Russians had the SS-N-19 Shipwreck for almost 30+ years now.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P-700_Granit


34 posted on 03/22/2013 1:21:11 PM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki
I believe the SS-N-22 Sunburn has been around for over 20 years as well.

I know for a fact that the Sunburn scared hell out of the Navy in the mid-80s.

35 posted on 03/22/2013 3:36:04 PM PDT by doorgunner69
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To: sukhoi-30mki; doorgunner69; MBT ARJUN; Crucial
I thought the Shipwreck was an anti-ship cruise missile, while the BrahMos can be used as a cruise missile targeted at land targets too? I thought that's the reason they are making the distinction that the BrahMos is the world's first supersonic submarine launched cruise missile, even though supersonic submarine launched anti-ship cruise missiles have existed for years. So have supersonic cruise missiles (e.g. various families of supersonic air-launched cruise missiles), but I cannot recall a supersonic submarine-launched cruise missile. I could be mistaken, but I thought the anti-ship cruise missile vs cruise missile was the main difference, and if that's the case, then the BrahMos is the world's first supersonic submarine launched cruise missile.

Again, I may have understood the article incorrectly, but that's what I gleaned from it.

I also know in the past there is one case (by India btw) where they used an anti-ship cruise missile (the Styx) as a jury-rigged land-attack cruise missile (when the Styx was used against Pakistani naval base, taking out facilities that directly or indirectly took out most of the Pakistani navy during that war). Thus, I am sure an (for example) Oniks could be jury-rigged into a land-attack cruise missile. But I still think, maybe incorrectly, that the BrahMos is the first submarine-launched, supersonic, cruise missile.

36 posted on 03/25/2013 5:29:22 AM PDT by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: spetznaz
You are likely correct. I was very fixated on the Sunburn back then, working on efforts to develop an aerial target to simulate it. The LTV candidate actually looked a lot like it, with cruciform intake.

Seems the Russians could have developed a ground attack version had they wanted to. But the supersonic capability is not nearly so desirable as in ship attack, and they had plenty of subsonic cruise stuff.

The flexibility of the Brahmos is impressive if it all works. Not sure how cost effective it is though.

37 posted on 03/25/2013 10:42:25 AM PDT by doorgunner69
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