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Gay marriage: After the Supreme Court, what then?
Washington Post ^ | 03/21/2013 | Jennifer Rubin

Posted on 03/23/2013 2:04:01 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan

In less than a week the Supreme Court will hear a pair of cases involving same-sex marriage. Since Chief Justice John Roberts made his unprincipled switch to rescue Obamacare, I have given up on predicting Supreme Court outcomes. If the justices are going to be unmoored to logical argument and careen from one position to another depending on their perceived need to defend the court’s historical reputation, far be it from me to figure out where they will land. (At least the liberal justices are entirely predictable.) In other words, I have no idea how the justices will rule or on what basis (10th Amendment, 14th Amendment?).

Let’s, however, consider what would flow from various rulings.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: amendment; constitutionalamend; gaymarriage; homosexualagenda; scotus; ssm
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See my post at #12 re: polygamy.

21 posted on 03/23/2013 4:00:56 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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To: BuckeyeTexan; All
Thank you for referencing that article BuckeyeTexan.

Please don't take anything in the following information personally BuckeyeTexan, but there are two reasons why patriots may not be able to reasonably predict the Supreme Court's decision on the constitutionality of gay marriage.

The first reason, unfortunately, is that activist justices may wrongly ignore the Constitution just like they ignored it when they gave the green light to Obamacare. More specifically, the Supreme Court ignored that the Founding States had made the 10th Amendment to clarify that the Constituton's silence about things like healthcare means that healthcare is a 10th Amendment-protected state power issue.

Otherwise, most patriots who have at least carefully read the Constitution should have already arrived at the following conclusion about the constitutionality of gay marriage.

Liberals are fighting California's ban on gay marriage because of the equal protection clause of California's corstitution. However, reason that PC interpretations of California's equal protection clause don't hold water is this. California's equal protection clause is expressly based on the Equal Protection Clause of Section 1 of the 14th Amendment. And the reason that liberals are wrong about their interpretation of both federal and state equal protection clauses is the following.

If liberals would make the effort to read Section 2 of 14A then they would know that 14A itself discriminates on the bases of sex, age and citizenship, regardless of their wide, PG interpretation of the Equal Protections Clause of Section 1.

14th Amendment, Section 2: Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States (emphasis added), or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.

In fact, regardless of the 14A's Equal Protections Clause, the Supreme Court decided against Virginia Minor's claim that her citizenship gave her the right to vote as Minor v. Happersett shows.

So what 14A's Equal Protecions Clause does is this. When a state makes a law that discriminates on a given basis, a basis that the states have not protected with a constitutional amendment, 14A indicates that state must discriminate equally on that basis, no breaks for certain factions. And since gay marriage is not an express constitutional right, the states can prohibit gay marriage, such discrimination ultimately up to a state's legal majority voters.

Again, the loose canons concerning this issue are activist justices who are long overdue for impeachment imo.

22 posted on 03/23/2013 4:08:57 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: manc

I think mass disobedeince to laws pushing faggotry is the next step.

23 posted on 03/23/2013 4:16:37 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: little jeremiah


24 posted on 03/23/2013 4:22:55 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: Amendment10

No offense taken!

I hope they rule that gay marriage is a States’ Rights issue, but I don’t think we’re going to get a big win like that.

25 posted on 03/23/2013 4:23:33 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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To: little jeremiah; manc

It might just be that time.

26 posted on 03/23/2013 4:24:46 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

they got to Roberts either through his foreign adoption or his homo-college days...

either way he is spoiled goods...

27 posted on 03/23/2013 4:36:21 PM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: BuckeyeTexan
you know, years ago I never cared about them, never gave them thought.
So long as they were where they were and kept silent on their sexual life ten so be it.

The day was a family day out in Boston and we turned a corner on a street called Boylston street, and WOW, what utter freaks, touching each other in certain parts of the body, dressed as nuns playing with a dildo, acting all weird etc.

That day shocked me.
I ten got a job driving trucks and had to deliver to bars around the city of Boston.
Sadly I had to go to a couple of queer bars and hey were the most disgusting vile bigoted freakish people I have ever had the misfortune of seeing.
Every time we went in there to deliver beer they made disgusting remarks, they all acted like little children ,laughing over immature comments,.

I kept away from them and thought what ever they do in their bedroom was private but then I was being naive, \as time went on they wanted civil unions and harped on about seeing someone in hospital.
Then it was marriage which that was it for me then.
We packed up, left everything and moved south as there was no way I would let my kids be around that kind of perversion.
Even nice places like one place called blue hills with hiking trails and a beautiful view of Boston form afar was a hunting ground for them, so much so that at night they had to close the place and families could not even walk in the day due to men behind trees waiting for a stranger to have sex with.

The more I heard and saw the ore I started to fight them.
Boy was I naive but no more.
I tell others what their agenda is, how marriage is a step and when I have mentioned to a supporters of theirs how marriage should be defined for everything if they do this sham marriage then their supporters state usually they had no thought of it like that and once a picture is put into their heads about feces then they say either Yuck or go away as they do not want to hear the truth.

All of this keep Govt out of the bedroom is a load of B/S.
The left used religion to ban drinking in the 20’s they now are using Govt out of the bedroom and marriage much the same way.

Men are men, women are women, a woman for how many years has ot have sex with a guy and then they raise that child.

Because of how they have their sex they actually think they should be given special rights, and play family while messing up any kids if they get them.

They;ve got to where they are due to the low info voter and our side being cowards.
Talk radio and others need to be called and forced to mention what a family is

28 posted on 03/23/2013 4:37:41 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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hey muslims have mroe of a right than these turd pokers as they could argue that it;s their religious freedom as Islam states thye can have 4 wives and many do in places like france and England.

Once marriage and family is defined then all is chaos.

Yes I love the family and want it protected because growing up I never had that, I so much longed for a mother and a father and I can tell you that I or any other child in those foster homes did not want to be taken into a house with two turd pokers and no they still do not

29 posted on 03/23/2013 4:40:02 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

that is the most win we can hope for I think .

Usually the court has gone in favor in states rights but it seems that our side is not fighting this on that issue and that was back when this country had some common sense and the rule of law

30 posted on 03/23/2013 4:41:34 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: Cementjungle
and 2 guys attempting to mate will still never bear fruit.

they are fruits.

but the lesbos will get knocked up and in the ‘right’ states, rather than butt-babies, they will be allowed to adopt. and that is the crime against is all part of the far lefts plan to turn America into a Marxist state...

31 posted on 03/23/2013 4:42:38 PM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: BuckeyeTexan; mrsmith

That’s my prediction too; 6-3 in favor of imposing gay marriage on the entire nation.

I think if either Kennedy or Roberts decides to go left on this, then the other will follow so as to give the decision more weight and so that the media can present opposition as just the kook 3 far right extreme conservatives on the Court.

32 posted on 03/23/2013 5:25:40 PM PDT by Aetius
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To: BuckeyeTexan

Rubin’s argument makes no sense whatsoever. This isn’t too surprising considering how clueless and liberal she is on immigration, but still it bears pointing out.

She actually says that conservatives are to blame for the prospect of the Sup Court using the DOMA case to wipe out gay marriage bans. She says that if conservatives hadn’t pushed DOMA, then the Sup Court wouldn’t have an avenue for a sweeping national decision.

But who is to say the Sup Court would use the DOMA case for a sweeping national decision instead of the Prop 8 case? Maybe they will choose to use DOMA instead of Prop 8, but so what? If Roberts and/or Kennnedy are inclined to impose gay marriage, then it wouldn’t matter if there was no DOMA. Then they’d just use Prop 8, or some other future challenge to another state marriage amendment.

Rubin pretends like the law and the Constitution actually matter to these judges. It doesn’t. Only the outcome and their legacy matters to them, and the lack of DOMA wouldn’t change that one bit.

33 posted on 03/23/2013 5:32:53 PM PDT by Aetius
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To: BuckeyeTexan
--Thomas Jefferson
Got Natural Law?
Sex, Evolution and Behavior
By Martin Daly and Margo Wilson
Got Socio-Biological Fitness?
 "Gay" penguins don't - not even in the San Francisco zoo

34 posted on 03/23/2013 5:56:41 PM PDT by TArcher ("TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS, governments are instituted among men" -- Does that still work?)
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To: BuckeyeTexan
This is perversion today and will still be perversion AFTER SCOTUS hands down its ruling.

Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people.
-President John Adams to the Officers of the First Brigade of the Third Division of the Militia of Massachusetts, 1798.1

These words of President Adams remind us of what used to be a common idea–liberty entails responsibility, and absent religion (even with it, alas) many people will choose immorality and irresponsibility. President Washington said much the same thing in his “Farewell Address”: “Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. . . . And let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion.”2 Because the American republic is a free republic, therefore, it was designed for a religious people. That is the proper context in which to understand Adams’ 1790 comment on the French Revolution, “I know not what to make of a republic of 30 million atheists.”3 By then Adams was already on record predicting the collapse of the French revolution.

35 posted on 03/23/2013 7:20:11 PM PDT by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: RobbyS
What strikes me is how the extraconstitutional principle of judicial supremacy is accepted by conservatives. Judicial review ought to apply only to the case in controversy. Even a Supreme Court decision is only a precedent. Now it is taken as an edict.

Agreed, SCOTUS is but one of three branches UNDER the rule of law (self evident from God and in all other matter from the people)...

36 posted on 03/23/2013 10:50:21 PM PDT by DBeers (†)
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To: DBeers

Decisions such as Dred Scot, Plessy and Roe v. Wade, show how the court can screw things up.

37 posted on 03/23/2013 10:54:39 PM PDT by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: BuckeyeTexan
Regardless of how the court rules, democracy does matter. Public opinion over time prevails. Whether that is by judicial fiat or legislative wrangling remains to be seen. But as the country shifts from virulent opposition to gay marriage to acceptance, the laws will follow. Those who try to hold back the tide eventually get swept away.

Democracy is another name for mob rule. Yes, mob rule matters because at times it forces evil, injustice and disorder upon the people.

Yes again, those who try to hold back the tide eventually get swept away but only temporarily. The pendulum tends to swing back to reality from delusion NEVER to return again as was the case with abolition...

Homosexual sex will never be accepted as normal and never be worthy of societal privilege or benefit REGARDLESS what today's mob of useful idiots 'feels'.

38 posted on 03/24/2013 1:50:01 AM PDT by DBeers (†)
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To: Ransomed

It is because the people are corrupt.

This IS the slippery slope we were warned about, and there is nowhere to go but down.

People don’t change until they absolutely have to.

39 posted on 03/24/2013 7:37:36 AM PDT by ecomcon
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To: skeeter

When the US Supreme Court ruled the act of sodomy was no longer illegal the next logical step for the sodomites is to say they are being discriminated against because they can’t get “married”. A blind man could have saw this coming. When the government legalizes the perverted, demented, unnatural act of sodomy - and all the deadly diseases that come with it, there is no turning back. Sodom and Gomorrah redux. My prediction is John Roberts will be the deciding vote and say DOMA is unconstitutional, and throwing his Catholic faith right out the window, he will defy 5,000 years of recorded history and say that marriage is nothing more than a contract (a legal piece of paper), and anyone can enter into this contract. I will then go down to the courthouse and demand that I be allowed to marry both my St Bernard dogs so I can claim them as exemptions on my income tax, and depending on how I’m feeling, I might also fill out a marriage application on 50 or so of my chickens. My neighbor Joe wants to marry his two goats.

40 posted on 03/24/2013 8:42:19 AM PDT by NKP_Vet
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