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Oklahoma Gun Owner Defends Home: I Just Put Three Rounds in his A** (911 AUDIO)
Guns.Com ^ | Mar. 23, 2013 | S.H. Blannelberry

Posted on 03/23/2013 7:35:54 PM PDT by EXCH54FE

On Thursday, during the predawn hours of the morning, an Oklahoma gun owner defended his home while on the phone with a 911 dispatcher, proving once again that when seconds count the police are minutes away.

The homeowner, whose name has not been released, is heard on the call pleading with the dispatcher to send help immediately as the intruder was kicking down his front door.

Though, he made it pretty clear that if police didn’t arrive in the very near future, he’d take matters into his own hands.

“You better get these *expletive* here or they will die,” the man told the dispatcher.

“They’re beating on my front door right now,” he continued.

“Okay, we’ve got them on the way,” the dispatcher replied.

The intruder did not stop beating on the door. He eventually kicked it in and (to his great displeasure) was shot three times, once in the face.

“I just put three rounds in his ass,” said the homeowner, who seemed both relieved and distraught over the encounter.

The Ponca City Police arrived on the scene right after the shots were fired. They were too late

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Oklahoma
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After hearing the call, what’s your take? Was the use of force reasonable? Or did the homeowner shoot the intruder too many times, as Mrs. Carney suggested?
1 posted on 03/23/2013 7:35:54 PM PDT by EXCH54FE
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To: EXCH54FE
Less talk would be good. 911 is for when the backhoe won't start.

/johnny

2 posted on 03/23/2013 7:38:45 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: EXCH54FE

If someone kicks in your door, I believe you can shoot as many times and use whatever force you like.


3 posted on 03/23/2013 7:40:30 PM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

BWAAAHAAAHAAAHA!


4 posted on 03/23/2013 7:41:09 PM PDT by bigheadfred
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To: demshateGod

Just be sure all the entry wounds are in front. An entry wound in the back will get you in trouble


5 posted on 03/23/2013 7:42:46 PM PDT by Mom MD (A million people attended Obamas inauguration. 14 of them actually missed work)
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To: EXCH54FE
I'd say shoot until they stop coming after you..but that's just me.

The never said what the guy was after...

6 posted on 03/23/2013 7:42:48 PM PDT by Earthdweller (Harvard won the election again...so what's the problem.......? Embrace a ruler today.)
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To: EXCH54FE

According to DHS, doesn’t the acceptable use of force in such circumstances involve scissors and/or urinating on yourself?


7 posted on 03/23/2013 7:44:57 PM PDT by Ouchthatonehurt ("When you're going through hell, keep going." - Sir Winston Churchill)
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To: Earthdweller

Exactly right. You shoot until the threat stops. It’s not just you.


8 posted on 03/23/2013 7:45:07 PM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: EXCH54FE
The Ponca City Police arrived on the scene right after the shots were fired. They were too late. The intruder, who was in an obvious amount of pain, was transported to a local hospital.

LMFAO. I'd say there weren't late at all!!!

Right on time, coppers!!!

9 posted on 03/23/2013 7:49:07 PM PDT by Gluteus Maximus
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To: Puppage

Keep shooting ‘til the cops arrive. Stop long enough to make sure your dog is in his kennel or locked in another room.


10 posted on 03/23/2013 7:50:12 PM PDT by Daffynition (The essential American soul is hard, isolate, stoic, and a killer. It has never yet melted. — D.H.)
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To: Earthdweller
I'd say shoot until they stop coming after you..but that's just me.

me too, he'll soon find out how man bullets my gun holds....law enforcement officers are trained to shot to kill....if you fire your gun at all, you are not Gene Autry and you don't try to shoot the gun out of the bad guy's hand....you shoot, he dies.

11 posted on 03/23/2013 7:51:45 PM PDT by terycarl
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To: EXCH54FE

The three rounds was not excessive. If he had dropped dead after the first round maybe the two additional shots would have been unnecessary. You never know when one of these creatures is hopped up on meth!

The following is an extract from the linked article:

“....another neighbor, Carla Carney, believes that the use of force was excessive, that the homeowner did not need to fire his weapon three times....”

Perhaps the self righteous Ms Carney should post, in her front yard, a prominent sign that would read something along the lines of “OCCUPANTS HERE DON’T BELIEVE IN USING EXCESSIVE FORCE AGAINST HOME INVADERS”. That way home invaders would be less likely to target her neighbors and go for the less dangerous Ms Carney’s house instead—and I would no longer consider her to be a likely hypocrite.


12 posted on 03/23/2013 7:54:22 PM PDT by House Atreides
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To: EXCH54FE
States with strong Castle Doctrine and stand-your-ground laws include: Alabama, Arizona, Georgia, Indiana, Kentucky, Louisiana, Montana, Nevada, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Tennessee, Utah, and Washington.
13 posted on 03/23/2013 7:54:53 PM PDT by Daffynition (The essential American soul is hard, isolate, stoic, and a killer. It has never yet melted. — D.H.)
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To: bigheadfred
SSS is good philosophy, well thought out by taciturn men that had time to consider the question.

/johnny

14 posted on 03/23/2013 7:56:19 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: EXCH54FE

Sounds like a good shoot but.....

He ran his mouth too much to the 911 dispatcher. Perp is still alive, home owner may want to rethink his weapon and caliber selection. If perp survives there will probaby be a lawsuit based on the home owners, “I’m going to kill him” comment to the 911 dispatcher.

You shoot to stop the threat. If the perp dies after being shot 4 times with my .40 caliber 165 gr Gold Dot hollow points that’s unfortunate for him but I was merely defending myself. Killing the perp was not my intent.


15 posted on 03/23/2013 7:56:32 PM PDT by MtBaldy (If Obama is the answer, it must have been a really stupid question)
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To: Gluteus Maximus
LOL


16 posted on 03/23/2013 7:57:05 PM PDT by Daffynition (The essential American soul is hard, isolate, stoic, and a killer. It has never yet melted. — D.H.)
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To: terycarl

Uh, no. You shoot, he’s got something like an 80% chance of surviving. If your mindset is “shoot to kill” you’ll be dismayed he’s not in the 20% bracket and proceed, on preprogrammed autopilot, to continue shooting until he is. Forensics will figure this out, and the prosecutor will have a good grounds for a murder indictment.


17 posted on 03/23/2013 7:58:16 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (3% of the population perpetrates >50% of homicides...but gun control advocates blame metal boxes.)
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To: House Atreides

Calrla is stupid, plus in a life and death scenario who knows whether he remembers how many round he fired.


18 posted on 03/23/2013 8:00:44 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: Mom MD

Another reason to use quality hollow point bullets. You want the entry point to be easily determined.


19 posted on 03/23/2013 8:00:46 PM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: JRandomFreeper

Excellent


20 posted on 03/23/2013 8:00:54 PM PDT by jonno (Having an opinion is not the same as having the answer...)
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To: JRandomFreeper

I know some of them.


21 posted on 03/23/2013 8:01:10 PM PDT by bigheadfred
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To: Daffynition
Thanks for the list....but how does Texas rate on the "Castle" doctrine...?

Thanks in advance

22 posted on 03/23/2013 8:02:07 PM PDT by spokeshave (The only people better off today than 4 years ago are the Prisoners at Guantanamo.)
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To: EXCH54FE

You shoot until you are damned sure they are out of action.


23 posted on 03/23/2013 8:03:19 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: EXCH54FE

I always scrunch my face skeptically when I read about a “home intruder” loudly kicking / beating down a front frealing door. Really? Who does that? I prefer home defense victories where intruders are shot dead after coming through a back window, and there is no indication the intruder was there to steal a drug stash.


24 posted on 03/23/2013 8:04:35 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: EXCH54FE
shoot till the target goes down... then as needed
25 posted on 03/23/2013 8:04:53 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: demshateGod

what about if your on your back, getting your head smashed into the sidewalk?


26 posted on 03/23/2013 8:10:05 PM PDT by digger48
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To: EXCH54FE
The neighbor Carney is an idiot. How calm can you be if a lunatic is smashing your door down?

But...To those folks saying things like "shoot til down and then as needed," please realize that while you can shoot a burglar, you are NOT going to get away with 'finishing him off.' They will pen you up for that.

27 posted on 03/23/2013 8:10:15 PM PDT by Wyrd bi ful ard (Gone Galt, 11/07/12)
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To: spokeshave

Looks like Texas has the best. Love that word *attempting*. :)

States like Texas allow citizens protecting their homes, car, or place of business or employment to use force – including lethal force – when an intruder has unlawfully entered or is attempting to enter using force; is attempting to remove someone from the home, car, or workplace by force; or is attempting to commit a crime such as rape, murder, or robbery. An attempt to retreat is not required before a citizen is justified in using force against the invasive party in Texas.

http://source.southuniversity.edu/castle-doctrine-from-state-to-state-46514.aspx

I have no idea how credible or good the source is.


28 posted on 03/23/2013 8:11:53 PM PDT by Daffynition (The essential American soul is hard, isolate, stoic, and a killer. It has never yet melted. — D.H.)
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To: Daffynition

Hell, tie the dog around his neck and push him toward the cops.


29 posted on 03/23/2013 8:15:08 PM PDT by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: Lancey Howard

>> Really? Who does that?

Thinking the same thing.


30 posted on 03/23/2013 8:17:55 PM PDT by Gene Eric (The Palin Doctrine.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

I’m so prepared at this point that the first hole has been dug and waiting for the perp.


31 posted on 03/23/2013 8:18:13 PM PDT by jy8z (From the next to last exit before the end of the internet.)
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To: Daffynition
The rules in Texas change after sundown. It's special that way.

What would be a misdemeanor during daylight hours becomes cause to use deadly force after dark.

I don't know of any other state that does that.

/johnny

32 posted on 03/23/2013 8:20:01 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: SgtHooper
My damn dog would start licking his face...and wag his tail off in hopes for a *cookie* treat and pick up a tennis ball...thinking he was going out to play fetch.


33 posted on 03/23/2013 8:20:30 PM PDT by Daffynition (The essential American soul is hard, isolate, stoic, and a killer. It has never yet melted. — D.H.)
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To: Lancey Howard
Really? Who does that?

The guys that just got out of prison and came to the house I had recently rented, looking for 'Dee-wayne'.

Stuff happens, and it's not always tied up as neatly as your television shows.

/johnny

34 posted on 03/23/2013 8:22:36 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

http://amarillo.com/news/local-news/2012-04-01/houston-lawmaker-wants-amend-castle-doctrine

Most justifiable homicides are *after dark*. And they are *up* according to those who keep count.

Did this guy present his legislation?


35 posted on 03/23/2013 8:28:46 PM PDT by Daffynition (The essential American soul is hard, isolate, stoic, and a killer. It has never yet melted. — D.H.)
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To: MtBaldy
He ran his mouth too much to the 911 dispatcher

Yes.

36 posted on 03/23/2013 8:30:18 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (The Obama Molecule: Teflon binds with Melanin = No Criminal Charges Stick)
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To: ltc8k6

And big enough to drive a bus through.


37 posted on 03/23/2013 8:30:19 PM PDT by Daffynition (The essential American soul is hard, isolate, stoic, and a killer. It has never yet melted. — D.H.)
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To: JRandomFreeper
...it's not always tied up as neatly as your television shows.

Exactly my point.
Plenty of these "homeowner shoots intruder, yippee" feel-good stories turn out to be drug arguments or something else besides innocent Mom and Dad and Billy and Jen randomly assaulted by armed intruders.

38 posted on 03/23/2013 8:31:55 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: EXCH54FE

you’re in your house, you have family, kids, wife , in laws and someone breaks into your house.
Do you just ignore them and hope for the best?
Do you then call and just hope the police get there in less than 1 minute\\?
Do you get your gun and shoot him and take the danger away from you and your family?

o and hello newbie

I know that I would protect my family and myself, not that I would expect a far left liberal / socialist idiot to understand that.


39 posted on 03/23/2013 8:33:05 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Yes!


40 posted on 03/23/2013 8:33:49 PM PDT by Jane Long (Background checks? Dandy idea, Mr. President. Shoulda started with yours. - Sarah Palin)
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To: Daffynition

FL too


41 posted on 03/23/2013 8:33:50 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: Lancey Howard
turn out to be drug arguments or something else

Well, get back to me if this one turns out to be the case, and I'll catch, cook, and chill the crow I'll have for supper.

/johnny

42 posted on 03/23/2013 8:35:16 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: EXCH54FE

hang on I know you’;re new but you;re asking if 3 rounds is too many etc, do you know a woman hid in her house, in GA, the intruder came into the room where she was hiding and she fired 5 rounds into him, and he still made it.
3 rounds too much, hell no

and that was a few weeks ago, a few days ago an elderly couple had to fire a lot of rounds to a couple of intruders and the police said they did everything right and it was a good job that they had that many rounds to defend themselves


43 posted on 03/23/2013 8:35:50 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

it;s why I have hollow point and I shoot for the head or heart.
one round to the head or heart with hollow will do the trick


44 posted on 03/23/2013 8:37:19 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd
But...To those folks saying things like "shoot til down and then as needed," please realize that while you can shoot a burglar, you are NOT going to get away with 'finishing him off.' They will pen you up for that.

The man breaking into your home Here's what a cop said he was told in the academy. If someone is coming at you & your life is in danger, you empty the gun.

CCDW instructor told me the same thing. "I was so scared I didn't even know how many times I fired, until I realized the gun was empty."

It's only in the fantasy world of TV and movies that selective shots are so well made. If you truly believe your life is in danger (what else can you assume if someone smashes in your door?) then doing anything less than shooting to kill is stupid and suicidal.

The man breaking into your home doesn't wear a sign saying "non violent burglar, just here to rob you" or "I am a rapist, but I won't kill you unless you resist".

Monday morning quarter backs (like the dipsh1t liberal neighbor) using their 20/20 hindsight and divining the intentions of the criminal after the fact, well screw them.

45 posted on 03/23/2013 8:38:03 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there)
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To: Daffynition
I don't know if he did or not. It won't go anywhere, even with Dewhurst (spit) in charge of the schedule.

/johnny

46 posted on 03/23/2013 8:38:19 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: manc

Yes. :)


47 posted on 03/23/2013 8:38:41 PM PDT by Daffynition (The essential American soul is hard, isolate, stoic, and a killer. It has never yet melted. — D.H.)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

hope you’re doing well pal,. we’re having awful weather tonight aren;t we?

I;m waiting for the newb who posted this to tell us what he or she thinks


48 posted on 03/23/2013 8:38:49 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: EXCH54FE
As my lawyer once told me, if you ever pull your firearm on someone, never shoot to maim, always shoot to kill: estates settle for less, and dead men can't testify against you in court.

I thought that was good advice, specially coming from a lawyer.

49 posted on 03/23/2013 8:47:14 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: ChildOfThe60s

I don’t how many FReepers who are commenting [unless they are combat military] have had the experience of drawing a firearm on someone intent on doing you harm.

Parenthetically, I have, in home defense. And every thing you have been taught/told races through your mind. It comes down to *him or me*. Confidence in your ability to hit your target b/c of practice and training, using a hollow point/12gu. and F’ the neighbors. And, I’d do it again, if necessary.


50 posted on 03/23/2013 8:49:21 PM PDT by Daffynition (The essential American soul is hard, isolate, stoic, and a killer. It has never yet melted. — D.H.)
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