Skip to comments.Universal Background Checks: the Liberal Holy Grail
Posted on 03/24/2013 1:15:05 AM PDT by neverdem
Feinstein's assault rifle ban has been removed from the Senate gun-control bill. While that is good news, it was recognized from the beginning as a bridge too far. What has survived, and may well become law, all in the spirit of bipartisan compromise, will actually be far worse.
The goals of the left have always been shrouded in deception and misrepresentation. Hide your true agenda behind a deceitful argument and then, after grabbing power, do what you really meant to do all along. That is what Hitler, Lenin, Mao, Castro and Obama have all done. By controlling the terms of the discussion, the left controls the argument. Actual Assault Rifles are not sold to the general public. The left invented the term "assault-style rifles" and the next thing you know assault-style rifles become assault rifles.
Fully automatic firearms have been restricted since the 1930s but recently the left has started combining "automatic and semi-automatic" weapons as one type of weapon. Another one of the left's favorite misnomers is the term "gun-show loophole." Loopholes, of course, are a way of skirting the law. They must be bad. Any chance to demonize firearms, like connecting the term "gun shows" with questionably legal practices like loopholes, is a win/win for the liberal media. The real goal behind closing the gun show loophole is actually to confiscate your personal property.
First of all, there is no gun show loophole. People who sell firearms at gun shows are licensed Federal Firearms Licensed (FFL) dealers to begin with. Other people can set up a table at a gun show to sell tee shirts, laser sights, hand grips and other shooting accessories. Unless they are FFL dealers, they cannot sell guns. If you read articles by journalists who visited gun shows, read carefully what they write...
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While your basic point is correct, you're using misconceptions to get there. It is correct that there is no "gun show loophole" but private sellers can and do sell at guns shows, just like they can in their garage or at a swap meet or the parking lot of a gun show or any other venue. The point is, rules for anyone whether FFL or private seller, are the same whether selling at a gun show or somewhere else.
Some gun shows allow private sales and some do not. Some states allow it and some do not. In the states that allow it, some shows allow it and some do not.
I realize that, but you’d never know it from what the author (not neverdem) wrote. He just says point blank, “It’s like this...”
Of course it is. It has been their primary goal all along. They will get this from the no-ball bastard Republican RINOs, and they they will argue, “we need a record of the check”. BLAMMMOOOO! A national Gun Registry.
Why mess with assault-whatevers, magazine sizes and the like? You have a national Gun Registry, and you have a DHS with a few billion bullets, MRAPs, black helicopters, 7000+ PDWs (actually what they call Assault Rifles, but elected to lie about in the solicitation as “Personal Defense Weapons.”) Just go out one day, week or month and round them up. You have their names, addresses, etc.
There, fixed it.
The Left wants universal background checks because that will close the net. Once that's in place, any criteria they pick to disqualify will be added incrementally, until jaywalking will be sufficient to disqualify a citizen from buying - or owning - firearms. There is a whole unit of the Los Angeles Police Department dedicated to finding "disqualified individuals" and confiscating their guns and arresting the owner.
Just the beginning, folks. Call and e-mail your elected representatives and fight this thing.
Written in 2000. Old but still good:
Gun Registration is Gun Confiscation
The so-called “gun show loophole” should be called a “private transfer loophole.” FEDERAL law is that unlicensed people (those who are not federal firearms license holders) may sell guns to each other within their own state. It matters not whether that transfer takes place at a gun show, a garage sale, a parking lot, a bar, a hunting lodge, a dining room table or across the back fence. According to federal law, unlicensed people who are residents of the same state may transfer guns without background checks.
What they are proposing will not just affect gun shows but nearly all private transfers of firearms. Do you want to sell a gun to your next door neighbor (co-worker, friend, brother-in-law). OK, trot on down to the local gun shop and have the buyer fill out a 4473 and undergo a background check. It doesn’t matter that you’ve been friends for years and you know the guy better than the government does. Go get your background check. After all, 92 percent of Americans support this . . . (or maybe they wouldn’t if they really understood what was being discussed).
Not quite. Two guys (not FFL's) are attending a gun show that "doesn't allow private sales". One is buying, the other has something to sell. The seller haunts tables where what he is selling are displayed. The buyer visits those tables, and is looking at weapons of the type the seller wants to get rid of. Buyer approaches seller...."dude, I have an .......that I want to sell, but we can't talk about it here......let's go out to the parking lot (or meet at the Starbucks across the street, of the McDonald's just down the road)". They meet, a deal is reached, hands shaken, and money changes hands.
The seller leaves with cash, and the buyer with his new acquisition. NO "gun show" rule can prevent this.
How about Universal Background checks for voters?
President Obama could set a shining example for the nation by volunteering to be the first.
After all, more people have been killed worldwide as a result of fraudulent elections than by criminals with guns.
“The seller leaves with cash, and the buyer with his new acquisition. NO “gun show” rule can prevent this.”
Remember the Lautenburg Amendment? The Senator from NJ tried to get this passed a number of years ago. This Amendment would have made it a felony to discuss such a transfer at a gun show and then make the transfer away from the gun show. Lautenburg’s amendment would also have made the gun show promoter guilty of the same felony.
Of course, the net effect would have been to make it impossible to promote a gun show. Just no way the promoter could have assumed such liability.
Funny thing was, the same transaction if initiated at a gun shop which was not a gun show would have been perfectly legal.
Real problem is, you cannot have an enforceable universal background check without gun registration.
So I say we flood the system with bogus data. Everyone who supports private gun ownership goes in for a background check, whether he has any intention of ever buying a gun or not. And he does it once or twice a week for the next year. The system gets overloaded pretty quickly and the data becomes useless.
Here in NC the background check for a rifle or shotgun consists of a call to FBI, seller says ‘long gun’ . Clean record, sale goes through. No record of actual individual firearm.
I think handguns are actually registered as to model/serial number.
The only way private long gun sales could be traced is to have all guns registered.
That would require universal registration.
Oh, IIRC the FBI handgun records were only supposed to be kept 90 days, then purged.
Guess what didn’t happen.
Everyone buying or inheriting a firearm must submit to the check. Everyone selling a firearm must make the buyer submit to the check. If a firearm is ever lost or stolen, it must be reported immediately.
Anyone who thinks that the feds will do this without keeping a database of every transaction is not thinking. Of course they will. And now they've got you.
We joke about losing everything in a boating accident. If this law were in place, we'd have 24 hours to report the boating accident, and they would investigate and send in divers. Saying that all your black rifles were stolen would look mighty suspicious. We can't let this pass.
And always ask what they plan to do after the guns are all registered, then after they are all confiscated,
that they couldn’t do before.