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Retired Army officer warns DHS stockpiling for war against American citizens
BizPac Review ^ | March 24, 2013 | Michael Dorstewitz

Posted on 03/24/2013 7:19:55 AM PDT by cap10mike

A retired Army officer wrote to a U.S. senator Saturday about his concern that the Department of Homeland Security is preparing to arm itself against the people of the United States.

Retired Capt. Terry Michael Hestilow posted his letter to Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas, on his Facebook page, noting that Homeland Security has made a number of large ammunition, weapon and light-armored vehicle purchases recently and has refused to answer questions about them.

Hestilow begins by noting the large ammunition, weapon and light armored vehicle purchases recently made by DHS, as well as that agency’s refusal to answer any questions regarding those purchases.

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A retired military officer''s concern should awaken us all. Something is going on here and it's not good.
1 posted on 03/24/2013 7:19:56 AM PDT by cap10mike
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To: cap10mike

....maybe they are going to use it all for border patrols....(around cities...?)


2 posted on 03/24/2013 7:23:23 AM PDT by spokeshave (The only people better off today than 4 years ago are the Prisoners at Guantanamo.)
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To: cap10mike

I’d say its probably going overseas to illegally arm militants.


3 posted on 03/24/2013 7:24:26 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek

I’m thinking the govt is stocking up in preparation for the EPA shutting down domestic ammo production.


4 posted on 03/24/2013 7:26:41 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: cap10mike

If its possible, we’d probably need to look to statements made by HRC, she’ll be the president following Obama and she might telegraph the intentions.


5 posted on 03/24/2013 7:30:36 AM PDT by Rich21IE
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To: PapaBear3625
I’m thinking the govt is stocking up in preparation for the EPA shutting down domestic ammo production.

Can't remember where I read it, but there was something floating around the internet about the EPA getting ready to declare ammunition an "environmental hazard" as a precursor to banning all lead ammunition.

So I think there may be some truth to the DHS stockpiling enough ammunition to kill every man, woman and child living in America five times as they get ready to shut down the ammunition plants.....

6 posted on 03/24/2013 7:31:58 AM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: Rich21IE
“she’ll be the president following Obama...”

I sure hope you are wrong.

7 posted on 03/24/2013 7:32:03 AM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: cap10mike

I heard from a source that 7 of those MRAPs were sent to Alaska, to Anchorage and Fairbanks.


8 posted on 03/24/2013 7:32:45 AM PDT by Eye of Unk
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To: cap10mike

Maybe they will use all the equipment to storm terrorist training centers within our borders?? Subdue local uprisings where cities are taken over by outside elements who apply their own laws?? If they want your weapons all they have to do is write a law against possession and place a $100.000 fine for each weapon not turned in. That will knock the wind out of most who think they will bunker down and fight to the last bullet. Remember, talk is cheap and Conspiracy Theories abound.


9 posted on 03/24/2013 7:33:45 AM PDT by Bringbackthedraft (Who remembers Ty Woods, Sean Smith, and Glenn Doherty? Forgot already?)
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To: cap10mike

Let em buy it and stockpile it. Makes for an easy target for The Resistance.


10 posted on 03/24/2013 7:34:05 AM PDT by mosaicwolf (Strength and Honor)
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To: cap10mike

IIRC correctly they bought handgun ammo. Here in a rural area, the closest Walmarts still have plenty of .270, .308 and .30-06 ammo. The handgun ammo and the poodle shooter small arms stuff may keep the city folk pacified. In the rest of the country, it’s a different story. Locally the shots hunters make taking a deer should scare bureaucrats shitless.

Obviously they haven’t read “Unintended Consequences.”


11 posted on 03/24/2013 7:35:56 AM PDT by meatloaf (Support Senate S 1863 & House Bill 1380 to eliminate oil slavery.)
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To: cap10mike

If the Obama Administration thinks they’re going to use the D.H.S. as there own SS corp they she be reminded that they don’t want to go that route.

The U.S. military fought in South East Asia for ten years with everything at its disposal and what did it get us?

We court in Iraq and Afghanistan for How long and what did it get us?

These politicians fail to learn the lessons of history that you cannot win a guerrilla war when the populace sides with the guerrillas.

If I were DHS I would keep that in mind before they do something to start a revolution in this country.


12 posted on 03/24/2013 7:37:12 AM PDT by puppypusher (The World is going to the dogs.)
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To: cap10mike; Nachum; Joe Brower; archy; CodeToad
How many Americans have ever heard of the HSI, "Homeland Security Investigations," buried within the DHS supposedly "under" ICE? How many have heard of their paramilitary strike force, the SRT?

These SRT guys are NOT being trained for hostage rescue, these are assault vehicles. Five SRT troopers ride on each running board as they smash across fences right up to the building they are assaulting. Swing-out armor "wings" protect the assault troops on each side from the front. Snipers behind them and above them protect them. They are not coming to "rescue" anybody. They are training for assault missions. The heads of the DHS have already stated that they don't think civilians should be able to own semi-auto carbines.

Connect the dots. If and when any classes of weapons are outlawed, the SRT is the strike force that will be coming to confiscate them.

MRAP SRT youtube video


13 posted on 03/24/2013 7:38:42 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: cap10mike
To date, DHS has been unwilling to provide to you, the elected representatives of the People, justification for recent purchases of almost 3,000 mine-resistant ambush-protected (MRAP) armored personnel carriers, 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition (with associated weapons), and other weapons systems, when, in fact, the DHS has no war mission or war making authority within the limits of the United States of America.

Captain, it's to protect the illegal aliens, all the Muslims and the tens of millions of other foreigners the government dumps on and continues to dump on the U.S.

Why has the U.S. Government turned the U.S. into an immigration dumping ground?

Simple...In order to divide the once united.

And it's worked beyond belief.

Even Bush from the so-called red state of Texas dumped more Muslims into the U.S. AFTER 911, than the previous two decades.

Below: Dallas Texas, 2006. 500,000 illegals march on Dallas Texas, the so-called red state.

Here's downtown Dallas Texas, when tens of millions of illegals were so emboldened by Bush, they marched on most of our cities, making demands and threats while shoving foreign flags in your faces.

14 posted on 03/24/2013 7:38:57 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: pieceofthepuzzle

So do I, but face it, the Repubs got nothing on HRC; she’s a shoe in with the female vote and the low-information/no-information voters of the welfare plantation.


15 posted on 03/24/2013 7:40:28 AM PDT by Rich21IE
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16 posted on 03/24/2013 7:41:31 AM PDT by Nachum (The Obama "List" at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: cap10mike
Something is going on here and it's not good.

The American people just re-elected a commie rock sucker and could care less if he plans to destroy this country.

17 posted on 03/24/2013 7:42:58 AM PDT by dragonblustar (2 Peter 3:18)
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To: PapaBear3625
“I’m thinking the govt is stocking up in preparation for the EPA shutting down domestic ammo production.”

Close. It begins when the EPA an DHS shutter all remaining means of natural resource harvesting, and move all those rural folk into pre-approved and bounded cities.

In one colossal stroke all of us unwashed and hapless riffraff will be completely dependent on the Federal Government for food and living spaces. It is for our own good, you know. We can then relax in our newly formed completely secure, environmentally friendly areas.

All those rounds, vehicles and so on are just to keep good order and prevent any uppity, gun totting, right winger, nut jobs from interfering with public safety and national security - now given new meaning.

Ignore that buzzing from overhead, it is just our good friends at DHS keeping a wary eye out for any disturbances.

18 posted on 03/24/2013 7:43:03 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: meatloaf

Our local ammo store one of many has full stocks of big game calibers such as the Ultramags in .30 caliber, .338 and .375.

I have shot a .338win mag 4 times in quick succession, it was a bone bruiser, but years ago that very same caliber was shot at the Alaska pipeline, put a hole in it and shut it down.

So basically hunters in Alaska have already calibers that will defeat light vehicle armor.


19 posted on 03/24/2013 7:43:36 AM PDT by Eye of Unk
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To: cap10mike

Somewhere in the Obama administration there is concern about large scale armed rebellion against the government. What actions they are planning that they think might trigger such a rebellion is the question. Clearly there is a desire to disarm the American public by what ever means possible. However, there are equally as sinister other possibilities including an Obama coup to overthrow the republic and make him dictator. Arming DHS goon squads to quell a popular uprising makes sense if you believe that local law enforcement or the US military would likely not fire on US citizens.


20 posted on 03/24/2013 7:46:05 AM PDT by The Great RJ
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To: cap10mike
If the Obama Administration thinks they’re going to use the D.H.S. as there own SS corp they she be reminded that they don’t want to go that route.

The U.S. military fought in South East Asia for ten years with everything at its disposal and what did it get us?

We court in Iraq and Afghanistan for How long and what did it get us?

These politicians fail to learn the lessons of history that you cannot win a guerrilla war when the populace sides with the guerrillas.

If I were DHS I would keep that in mind before they do something to start a revolution in this country.

“Court”should have been fought.This iPhone keyboard just sucks.But what can one do when you have no computer available.

21 posted on 03/24/2013 7:48:27 AM PDT by puppypusher (The World is going to the dogs.)
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To: cripplecreek

Most is .40S&W so it’s not for overseas use. 9mm is used overseas.

Also doubtful we’d be sending premium hollow point ammo overseas, too easy to trace back here.


22 posted on 03/24/2013 7:49:21 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: usconservative
Can't remember where I read it, but there was something floating around the internet about the EPA getting ready to declare ammunition an "environmental hazard" as a precursor to banning all lead ammunition. So I think there may be some truth to the DHS stockpiling enough ammunition to kill every man, woman and child living in America five times as they get ready to shut down the ammunition plants.....

Since the Feds banned incandescent light bulbs, they have shown they can ban anything. Banning bullets, for environmental "reasons", will be a piece of cake for them. Once they have all the bullets, the people can have all the guns they want, what does the Fed care? They have guns AND bullets.

23 posted on 03/24/2013 7:55:11 AM PDT by Flick Lives (We're going to be just like the old Soviet Union, but with free cell phones!)
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To: Rich21IE
"If its possible, we’d probably need to look to statements made by HRC, she’ll be the president following Obama and she might telegraph the intentions."
24 posted on 03/24/2013 7:55:32 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: cap10mike

Don’t worry. Our Republican House will save us.

Not.


25 posted on 03/24/2013 7:56:46 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: IMR 4350
Most is .40S&W so it’s not for overseas use. 9mm is used overseas.

So they lied about everything but that?
26 posted on 03/24/2013 7:57:59 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Rich21IE
“the Repubs got nothing on HRC”

There's plenty, but the gloves have to come off, political correctness has to go out the window, and a scorched Earth political approach used. Scare tactics, just like the Democrats consistently use, have to be applied to split off some of her natural factions. It has to be done in a way that divides her support among women. As a minor example, she has made comments about how she's ‘not going to sit at home and bake cookies’ - which is essentially saying that she doesn't respect women who make that choice. Make it look like she looks down her nose at stay at home moms. This is just a small example of an issue that can be used to divide one of her voting blocks.

She's made comments that can peel away some of the Jewish vote. She's made many demonstrably false statements over time that can be used to characterize her as a liar (e.g. named after Sir Hillary, attacks at the airport when she landed in the Middle East, cattle futures, etc. etc.), and then there's that Benghazi thing.

But, unfortunately, the Republicans in office seem to care much more about being liked than about doing what's right to protect that which is worth fighting for in this nation.

Even if you have to totally overreach and do the equivalent of Democrats

27 posted on 03/24/2013 7:58:33 AM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: Rich21IE

What about HRC’s health issues?


28 posted on 03/24/2013 7:59:26 AM PDT by Jane Long (Background checks? Dandy idea, Mr. President. Shoulda started with yours. - Sarah Palin)
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To: Rich21IE

> the Repubs got nothing on HRC; she’s a shoe in with the
> female vote and the low-information/no-information voters
> of the welfare plantation.

The exact same thing can be said of any DemonRAT presidential candidate of any race or gender, as long as said candidate supports ...

* government-funded abortion on demand

* government funded, mandated, and regulated “health care”

* government funded, mandated, and regulated “education”

* government funded “day care”

* “amnesty”

* gun bans

* banning any public expression of Christianity

... and basically any other massive, nanny-State, Politically Correct, multi-culti program or ideology.

The GOPe has been nominating Republicans who support all or most of those things, and they still can’t win. That’s because the people don’t trust the GOP, so Bill Clintoon’s strategy of faking one ideology and working the other, won’t work for the Republicans.


29 posted on 03/24/2013 8:03:39 AM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: dragnet2
Why has the U.S. Government turned the U.S. into an immigration dumping ground? Simple...In order to divide the once united.

IMHO it is also to redistribute Americas wealth WORLDWIDE, and to bring the USA to it's knees for the sins of slavery. Zero and his Marxist followers believe reparations are needed but know it will never happen by "normal means".
30 posted on 03/24/2013 8:05:25 AM PDT by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: Jane Long

She’s like a bad fungus that keeps coming back.


31 posted on 03/24/2013 8:09:10 AM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Great vid by ShorelineMike! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOZjJk6nbD4&feature=plcp)
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To: cap10mike

And Americans have replied by stockpiling arms and ammunition also, far in excess of what the feds can stockpile, and that’s just the suff they know about. And the real bitch for the feds is how to deal with the world’s largest standing army that not only surrounds them, but lives amongst them. Those aren’t very good odds if you ask me. Don’t forget, some of the bloodiest, most brutal warfare Americans have ever endured was when we fought against our own.


32 posted on 03/24/2013 8:10:10 AM PDT by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: cap10mike

It would be a real hoot if some percentage of that 1.6 billion .40 smith and weak rounds were deliberately tampered with, the .40sw is a notorious kaboomer in some unsupported barrels. I’m familiar with the .40sw and I don’t like it, the .45 is more controllable, the 10mm the big brother has MORE power.

The .40sw is a high pressure finicky cartridge pushing the envelope of case pressures or CUP.


33 posted on 03/24/2013 8:11:54 AM PDT by Eye of Unk
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To: Bringbackthedraft
Patriot Act III

Terrorist training centers within our borders shall be stormed, if necessary and all appropriate force applied. Lethal force may be used if active armed resistance is encountered and cannot be quelled by other means.

Prisoners, if any, will be duly questioned, and held for the duration. All rights normally granted are suspended under this provison.

Definitions:
Terrorist Training Centers: for the purposes of this provision shall be deemed in any location where one ore more guns are known, believed, imagined, or hoped to exist.

Lethal Force: for the purposes of this provision shall be deemed use of small arms, or heavy weapons - as appropriate - up to and including the use of armored vehicles - including tanks (specifically M1A2SEPs and M1A3 {when available}) surface missile strikes, and Hellfire armed drones.

Use of tactical nuclear weapons and long range missiles can only be authorized by Presidential Order, including Executive Orders.

Prisoners: are those individuals taken during an action, including family members, friends, neighbors, and passers by who are still living but without serious medical needs. The badly wounded are too expensive to our national health care system and would be too great a burden to maintain for any length of time. Rapid termination is authorized, unless public execution is warranted to deter other miscreants.

34 posted on 03/24/2013 8:13:38 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: pieceofthepuzzle

Hope springs eternal, and it’s valuable in these times for keeping an eye on these weasels while keeping a sense of humor, but, the big money is on HRC.

I think a lot more work than hope is in order.


35 posted on 03/24/2013 8:14:48 AM PDT by stanne
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To: cap10mike; All

You know, I once thought I was pretty darn clever advertizing myself on dating websites as a French model...

And then these guys come along and ruin the whole environment...

Now nobody believes ANYTHING they see on the internet anymore!!! Dangit!!!


36 posted on 03/24/2013 8:14:51 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: Rich21IE

You will know if HRC is involved because she follow’s a pattern.

HRC follows the Weather Underground playbook.

Find an incident, a spark to ignite the flame, ratchet it up to a raging inferno.

If HRC is involved it will be an attempt to recreate another “Rodney King” type incident.

Start looking for an uptick in news stories involving police misconduct, mainly against minorities, but any pattern of news stories involving police misconduct.

One that caught my attention recently was the ACLU’s “concern’ of military style weapons being used by police.

Watch for statements from the SPLC concerning “racism” being rampant in law enforcement.

Look for more and more extreme left wing groups, like Code Pink, voicing the same concerns as the right about there being a “police state established”.

I also expect there to be an uptick in news stories to gin up the Hispanics, mainly the militants.

I expect them to gin up civil unrest with all three groups, Whites, Blacks, and Hispanics.


37 posted on 03/24/2013 8:19:00 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: meatloaf

I’ve hunted deer and elk since I was a kid, and have taken many with head shots...

Over the last few years I’ve practiced head shots as the most humane and quickest kill with no loss of edible meat...

Head shots...The best way to go...

Unintended Consequences...My favorite...


38 posted on 03/24/2013 8:21:08 AM PDT by elteemike (Light travels faster than sound...That's why so many people appear bright until you hear them speak!)
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To: stanne
“I think a lot more work than hope is in order.”

I entirely agree, but what I wrote before is part of that work. I believe, without question, that where we are right now is the product of a >60 year effort to infiltrate, propagandize, and as Obama put it ‘fundamentally change’ the nature of the USA. As part of that process there have been many more ‘plants’ within the Republican party than most of us here would be willing to believe. Believe it. When one is driven by ideology, and sees their mission as a ‘war’, all tools potentially available will be used.

The point is that the road back may also take >60 years, and will require the same long term planning, subterfuge, and patience that the worldwide left has employed. The mantra of the left is always ‘divide and conquer’. Unfortunately, the same approach will be required to defeat the left, and it needs to start yesterday.

39 posted on 03/24/2013 8:26:21 AM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: puppypusher
The U.S. military fought in South East Asia for ten years with everything at its disposal and what did it get us?

We court in Iraq and Afghanistan for How long and what did it get us?

Both of those wars were fought against an external source of supply, the Soviets in Vietnam and the Iranians in Afghanistan. Fighting the long guerrilla war without functional communications, a command structure, or extensive cached supplies, and against an enemy surely willing to use biological weapons and drug gangs is not a pretty prospect.

These politicians fail to learn the lessons of history that you cannot win a guerrilla war when the populace sides with the guerrillas.

No, I think it is you who has failed to learn the lesson of history. The better analogy to the war you envision is the American Indian. They lost, utterly. You are also failing to learn the lesson of the Torah, for we were instructed not to be so tolerant of evil in our midst, not to mention the logistical preparations found in Exodus and Leviticus.

40 posted on 03/24/2013 8:28:54 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (An economy is not a zero-sum game, but politics usually is.)
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To: cap10mike

You think the gov is afraid that the tea party will challenge them?

I will say it here. If there is an uprising in the streets, the US government will fire upon its citizens.


41 posted on 03/24/2013 8:30:37 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Pi$$ed off yet?)
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To: The Great RJ
One only needs to look at whose running Obama - Valery Garrett, an Iranian by birth - to see which model they are using to mold the country into becoming. Iran is an interesting place to visit, but not to live ... but if they have their way we all will ...
42 posted on 03/24/2013 8:34:59 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: cripplecreek

OK, so you tell me what you think it is if it’s not mostly .40S&W.


43 posted on 03/24/2013 8:36:32 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: cap10mike

The upcoming war against Americans is why the Kenyan wonder boy and his ‘RAT comrades are going to “push ahead with gun control”. Sandy Hook, Aurora and Gaby have nothing to do with the ‘RATS’ people control blitz. The commie ‘RATS could care less about the “massacres”. They are just a tool to help the communists gain total control over the American people.


44 posted on 03/24/2013 8:39:14 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Whatever happened to the land of the free, home of the brave?)
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To: factoryrat
world’s largest standing army -— that would be the Peoples’ Liberation Army of China with nearly one million more soldiers than the US, barely squeaking into second place ahead of India.
45 posted on 03/24/2013 8:41:10 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: Bringbackthedraft

“That will knock the wind out of most who think they will bunker down and fight to the last bullet. Remember, talk is cheap and Conspiracy Theories abound.”

About half the states have state guard units that are already in operation with the necessary logistics and command structure. They are also in active training with assorted weaponry to take out threats. It won’t be a matter of lone wolves taking on the federal government. It will be states and sheriffs mustering battalions and divisions of volunteers who will be led by commanders who have combat experience.

This is what the criminal fascist syndicate infesting Washington fears. A more likely scenario is that the fascists will unleash weaponized smallpox or swine flu to first weaken the population. Thus, it’s imperative to discover where these vaccines are stored.


46 posted on 03/24/2013 8:44:43 AM PDT by sergeantdave
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To: cap10mike
something wicked this way comes...
47 posted on 03/24/2013 8:48:29 AM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Bringbackthedraft
Maybe they will use all the equipment to storm terrorist training centers within our borders??

Hilarious!!

Of course, the GOP's well connected wealthy insiders like George Bush might wink and nod at your comment...He even convinced those in Texas he was somehow a conservative, as he enacted DHS and put DHS into motion with his signature .....Funny stuff huh?

Not enough humor?

This Bush character allowed in more Muslims into the U.S. after 911, than the previous two decades..during war...It's a religion of religion of peace ya know? All this while tens of millions from God knows where poured into the U.S. illegally from Mehico, during war time...As the Bush family celebrated Cinco de Mayo up in the White House.

Who they really worried about Mr. Backdraft?

48 posted on 03/24/2013 8:50:21 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: cap10mike

The administration is concerned that the citizenry will not take kindly to an Obama third term. Look for events following the 2014 midterms that will compel Obama to postpone the 2016 elections. He’s not going anywhere.


49 posted on 03/24/2013 8:53:38 AM PDT by Delta Dawn
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To: Carry_Okie
I think may reading your post will fail to understand your points - particularity that of the importance of logistics in winning wars. Most of FRs posturing about their abilities and proficiencies with small arms have no experience against heavy weapons.

Never does the thought of food, clothing and all the necessities logistically needed to sustain any form of guerrilla war cross their minds.

When items like food become scarce, they imagine they will just shoot a deer or two, failing to understand just how rapidly that resource will disappear once every one has the same idea in their area.

Just the action of going to an area where deer are, will expose them to overhead surveillance and any appropriate action ...

Gardens require open areas. How will they attend their crops unseen?

50 posted on 03/24/2013 8:54:08 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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