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Fishing's decline looms; will fish eaters notice?
ap ^ | Feb 18, 2013 | JAY LINDSAY

Posted on 03/24/2013 5:25:53 PM PDT by george76

In May, New England's fishermen will again see a cut to the number of fish they can catch, this time so deeply that the historic industry's existence is threatened from Rhode Island to Maine. But as hard as the cuts are likely to hit fishing communities, local seafood eaters may not notice at all. In the region's markets, grocery stores and restaurants, imported fish dominate, and the cuts make that less likely to change.

The cuts will shrink the catch limit 77 percent for cod in the Gulf of Maine and 61 percent for cod in Georges Bank, off southeastern Massachusetts. That's the worst of a series of reductions to the catch of bottom-dwelling groundfish, such as haddock and flounder, that many fear could be fatal to the industry.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Alaska; US: Maine; US: Massachusetts; US: New Hampshire; US: Oregon; US: Rhode Island; US: Texas; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: agenda21; animalrights; ar; china; cod; farming; fishing; norway; ranching; un21; unagenda21

1 posted on 03/24/2013 5:25:53 PM PDT by george76
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To: george76

It’s about jobs....Plenty of fish in the sea!!

2 posted on 03/24/2013 5:27:13 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: george76

Damn government....He China poison or nothing??

3 posted on 03/24/2013 5:28:18 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: george76
UN Agenda 21's first target is America.

Once America falls, the rest will be easy.

4 posted on 03/24/2013 5:30:39 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("Somebody has to be courageous enough to stand up to the bullies." --Dr. Ben Carson)
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To: george76

Here in Md. they paid farmers not to raise tobacco for ten years.
The ten years is about up.

Many barns have fallen down equipment has rusted and fallen apart, farmers have found other jobs.
Most could not go back to raising tobacco even if they wanted to for these rason and the fact that a labor intensive industry has lost it’s labor force.

Much of the same will happen in new England, Boats will all apart, nets will go bad and fishermen will find different jobs or go on the poublic dole.

This is the great plan. Yes it’s stupid, but it will happen, the fishing industry in new England will die, and foreigners will soon be fishing our waters.

5 posted on 03/24/2013 5:41:02 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: george76

Why should we produce anything? We can always just print greenbacks and import all the stuff we need!

6 posted on 03/24/2013 5:41:47 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The ballot box is a sham. Nothing will change until after the war.)
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To: george76

We refuse to purchase any seafood which is not a product of the USA. The US river catfish is almost inedible—local pond-caught fish has been good.

7 posted on 03/24/2013 5:42:16 PM PDT by Silentgypsy (I must be all here, because everyone keeps telling me I'm not all there.)
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To: Sacajaweau

I have had this feeling for months now that something very”fishy” is going on between Obama’s handlers and the Communist Chinese.

8 posted on 03/24/2013 5:45:11 PM PDT by Quickgun (I got here kicking,screaming and covered in someone else's blood. I can go out that way if I have to)
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To: george76

I’m seeing more and more fish and shellfish coming from China.

I see that stamped on the package and put it right back.

Not taking any chances....

9 posted on 03/24/2013 5:51:42 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: george76
The article doesn't give the reason for the catch-limit (typical lame-stream "media" reporting), so I assume it's our government in their infinitely-limited wisdom. Won't others (foreigners) move into those fishing areas and catch all they want, especially if their own country's laws do not limit their catch, thus negating any "good" our idiotic "representatives" are attempting?
10 posted on 03/24/2013 5:54:57 PM PDT by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: Sacajaweau

What is the cause of these cuts exactly? Government regulation or the effects of overfishing?

11 posted on 03/24/2013 5:58:09 PM PDT by rbg81
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To: george76

No, they will just import polluted fish from china, enjoy the Gordon’s Fisherman’s fish while it lasts, next fish you eat will be Glorious People’s Polluted Polluck...

12 posted on 03/24/2013 6:08:44 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: Sacajaweau

They wanted to wipe out small farmers with the food safety bill in favor of industrial ag. Now they want to wipe out small fishermen for industrial seafood. It’s all tied into controlling the food supply. If you’re too weak to pull the trigger, the 2nd Ammendment doesn’t mean much.

13 posted on 03/24/2013 6:10:17 PM PDT by tbpiper
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To: Venturer
“...foreigners will soon be fishing our waters.”

They have for decades. Back in the late 70s the Federal fishery managers made a point of telling us that as far as they were concerned who fished our waters was all about who would pay them the most money.

They did not care about our jobs, lives, or anything else, just about the money flowing into Federal coffers.

American commercial fishermen only pay into the Treasury tax money which is insignificant compared to what a state sponsored foreign fishery operation is willing to pay.

The effect is happening as planned and is devastating to those involved. The more devastating the better. Lessons to others and all that.

Most commercial fishermen either already have other jobs shore-side, or are too old to start over... which leaves the later with humiliation, food stamps and welfare.

14 posted on 03/24/2013 6:12:59 PM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: george76

Does Chinese know the ole Deadliest catch saying there is right way, wrong way, and Norgerian way

Just sayin

15 posted on 03/24/2013 6:18:32 PM PDT by SevenofNine (We are Freepers, all your media bases belong to us ,resistance is futile)
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To: rbg81

“What is the cause of these cuts exactly? Government regulation or the effects of overfishing?”

Neither. It is a politically and monetarily motivated plan being flawless executed by the left for the past 40 years against all natural resource harvesters. The public pays the freight at the grocery store.

The goal is to eliminate all US natural resource harvesting other than by a certain ‘disadvantaged’ racial group entitled to do so by treaty and enshrined in the Constitution.

16 posted on 03/24/2013 6:19:57 PM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: ClearCase_guy

“Why should we produce anything? We can always just print greenbacks and import all the stuff we need!”

Yummy greenbacks. What’s your recipe?

17 posted on 03/24/2013 6:20:57 PM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: Silentgypsy

Trouble is that most of the US caught seafood is exported. So it is hard to find at a reasonable price from any grocer who knows the difference between fish and beef.

18 posted on 03/24/2013 6:23:15 PM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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Same way with Maryland farmers.

19 posted on 03/24/2013 6:23:53 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: george76

read the whole article.. at no point did it mention WHY they were being limited

I did read how a majority of the fish eaten in the US comes from foreign sources... even when domestic sources for the same fish exist.

instead of limiting domestic catch, they should be increasing tariffs on imports, helping to shift the market to domestic suppliers

people should point out that the ppl in govt aren’t trying to help them... but make them more dependent on govt assistance

20 posted on 03/24/2013 6:37:25 PM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: rbg81

21 posted on 03/24/2013 6:43:11 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: rbg81

22 posted on 03/24/2013 6:45:19 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Venturer

I know a third generation tobacco farmer who is calling it quits this season. He’s sold all his barns and is going to plant grains.

23 posted on 03/24/2013 6:47:51 PM PDT by Rebelbase (1929-1950's, 20+years for full recovery. How long this time?)
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To: tbpiper
Wiping out small commercial fishermen began in the late 70s under the Nixon regime and was almost completely wiped out nationally in state managed fisheries by the late 80s-early 90s, except for the Federally managed fisheries on the East Coast. It is just their turn now.

Those guys all thought they were immune to the forces we contended with. Some of them saw what was coming, but were roundly dismissed by their peers as kooks and crazy cranks, and so ignored.

Some irony here, in that while many FRs support natural resource harvesting, too many haven't a clue what the actual upshot is, thinking it just some other poor b. and has no effect on their personal lives.

Wish you guys could have been there as we were labeled: “the last of the buffalo hunters”, “worse than child molesters” and roundly decried as evil from the pulpits of the very churches we attended.

I do wonder at times how our lives might have been different had we been able to win WA vs Passenger Vessel in SCOTUS or manage to make the public at large understand what was at stake for them in all that nastiness.

We tried the best we could, but the Federal Gov had more money, the media had the public ear, and, despite a few victories, we lost in the end.

You are right in seeing that they now have virtual control of the food supply. But that is only the beginning. They have the long view, and are willing to wait. Look closely and you can see were this is headed years from now and what will become of you and yours in those later years.

They care about small fishermen as much as they care about industrially produced food; only the money industry is willing to directly pay them for the privilege is their concern ...

24 posted on 03/24/2013 6:50:42 PM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: george76


25 posted on 03/24/2013 7:16:27 PM PDT by Java4Jay (The evils of government are directly proportional to the tolerance of the people.)
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To: george76

The science used to measure fish population is not accurate enough to determine the true picture. You could be doing fish sampling in one area and find the fish down in levels while they would be at normal levels somewhere else. Yet because of that sample, you think there was a reduction in fish levels. Funding to develop better tracking is being limited by the cash-strapped federal government. Even then fish levels naturally undergo a boom and bust cycle and much can be blamed on natural cycles in the aqua-environment rather than over fishing. Even with lower fish harvests through quotas, the levels have been found to go even lower. What is happening? The answer may be the true cause of the current drop in levels is not understood and it may be a matter of Chicken Little causing an over-reaction. Until the science is there to understand what is really happening, policy makers are really shooting in the dark.

What should we do? I proposed in another post about this situation, that one solution would be to create hatcheries to produce cod hatchlings that would boost the natural levels and level out the boom-bust phenomenon. Such hatcheries would be as close to the natural spawning places as technically possible to preserve the genetic diversity found in the wild species. Such would be located in places that would have all the natural conditions to insure the maximum production of hatchlings. Once the hatchlings have reached a size to be on their own, they can be released to the wild using controlled release techniques that would not stress out any one area where they are released.

The question would be how to pay for them. State taxes? Fishing cooperatives? License fees? Federal emergency funds?

26 posted on 03/24/2013 7:35:51 PM PDT by jonrick46 (The opium of Communists: other people's money.)
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To: Vendome

Just 9 percent of the seafood eaten in the United States is domestically caught, the federal government estimates. In New England, locally caught cod was just a slightly larger fraction of all cod eaten, 12 percent, according to fisheries economist Jenny Sun of the Portland, Maine-based Gulf of Maine Research Institute. And she estimates that could drop to 4 percent after the coming cuts.

Much of the imported cod is caught and frozen in Norway and cut in China, and there’s plenty of it, Sun said. If the local cod catch dips to near nothing, fish processors “could easily fill in with imports,” Sun said.

27 posted on 03/24/2013 7:37:07 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: rbg81

What is the cause of these cuts exactly? Government regulation or the effects of overfishing?”

One of my very small commercial fishermen tax clients just went through a hearing with EPA who continues to reduce his red fish allocation every year. On one of the forms we had to prepare for the hearing he had to list all the kinds and number of fish caught during the last five years by month.

One of the women from EPA asked my client why he insisted on catching such a variety of fish in his nets when he was only supposed to be fishing for red fish. I had to get up and leave the room while he was thinking about how to explain to this dumbo that a net is a net and you catch what you catch. She also later asked why the number of fish caught was not more consistent from one month to another. She just didn’t have a clue but she was one of the ones who would decide whether or not my client would be able to catch enough fish so he could remain in business and support his family.

28 posted on 03/24/2013 7:42:38 PM PDT by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: Vendome

I’ve noticed the same thing. I went to pick up a bag of frozen crawfish meat the other day, and it was all from China. I passed, and found some domestically-raised shrimp instead. The etouffee was just as good, and I rested a bit easier that night.

29 posted on 03/24/2013 8:13:58 PM PDT by DemforBush (Bring me the head of Alfredo Garcia!)
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To: george76

Cod stocks have been dropping for a while now, so I’m not entirely surprised at the limits.

Still, one would think there’s a better way to manage the situation than draconian cuts that are going to destroy the livelihood and a way of life for a lot of NE fishermen. Anecdotally, I could point to market supply and demand.

A lot of the churches in my area have switched from cod to haddock for their fish fries because of the jump in cod prices stemming from the low stocks. As people substitute away from one good to another, demand will lessen, easing the pressure on the cod stocks. As supply naturally increases and prices once again fall, the balance is restored. It just seems to me that we have enough smart people in this country that we can figure out how to solve the problem without destroying an industry.

Assuming, of course, that isn’t the actual goal of the legislation...

30 posted on 03/24/2013 8:28:12 PM PDT by DemforBush (Bring me the head of Alfredo Garcia!)
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To: sten
I did read how a majority of the fish eaten in the US comes from foreign sources... even when domestic sources for the same fish exist.

A lot of processing is done in China, because it's cheaper to ship it there, have it cleaned and ship it back here. The round-trip shipping cost was about 20 cents a lb, port-to-port for refrigerated container-loads a few years back. I got this info second-hand, and have no idea if domestically-caught fish that are processed abroad have to be labeled as being of foreign origin.

31 posted on 03/24/2013 8:33:03 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: george76

I noticed this happening a few years ago and for whatever reason... Our side doesn’t touch it.

This a perfect opportunity to champion the little guy (probably Dems) and while doing the right thing.... Pick up sympathetic Dem votes for our side.

32 posted on 03/24/2013 8:34:05 PM PDT by WomBom ("I read Free Republic for the pictures")
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To: DemforBush
I’ve noticed the same thing. I went to pick up a bag of frozen crawfish meat the other day, and it was all from China. I passed, and found some domestically-raised shrimp instead. The etouffee was just as good, and I rested a bit easier that night.

I've never understood the point of crawfish etouffee. Crawfish is more expensive than shrimp in terms of meat yield, and a lot more work. Is there something magical about crawfish as an ingredient that only gourmands can taste?

33 posted on 03/24/2013 8:37:41 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Venturer
Much of the same will happen in new England, Boats will all apart, nets will go bad and fishermen will find different jobs or go on the public dole.

This is the great plan. Yes it’s stupid, but it will happen, the fishing industry in new England will die, and foreigners will soon be fishing our waters.

Do you ever get the feeling dems want to destroy the country? That they don't really care about the fish or tobacco or anything - they just 'get off' on making other people miserable?

34 posted on 03/24/2013 8:50:29 PM PDT by GOPJ (DHS HAS secured: 1.6 BILLION bullets - 2.700 tanks and 35,000 drones use on American soil...)
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To: jeffc

The libs in the EPA are going to starve the american people to death, no fishing, no hunting, no cattle production, corn for fuel. soylent green is our future.

35 posted on 03/24/2013 10:06:11 PM PDT by Doomonyou (Let them eat Lead.)
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To: Zhang Fei

Well, in my case, I was just wanting to do something a little different. I like both shrimp and crawfish, but often have a hard time finding the latter.

The crawfish they were selling at the store had been cooked and cleaned already, too (kinda like lump crab meat, I guess), so a lot of the mess was already out of the way.

36 posted on 03/24/2013 10:06:22 PM PDT by DemforBush (Bring me the head of Alfredo Garcia!)
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Thanks, PIF, I’m new to the food fight and kind of overwhelmed with all the info I’ve come across. I apprciate your incight into this area. tbp

37 posted on 03/25/2013 3:15:22 AM PDT by tbpiper
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To: Grams A
One of the women from EPA asked my client why he insisted on catching such a variety of fish in his nets when he was only supposed to be fishing for red fish.

Probably had a PhD in fisheries management or some such. Yet the same will assert those who have lived on and fished a body of water for 50 years know nothing because they don't have a degree...

38 posted on 03/25/2013 3:51:31 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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Add to the list of reasons, the Progressive momentum to create Marine Preserves, void of any human interaction. See “Wilderness Areas” for terrestrial examples.

39 posted on 03/25/2013 4:38:19 AM PDT by Makana (.)
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I believe some people get off on minding other people’s business.

They believe themselves superior in their intelligence, their morals, in practically everything, and they expect others to live by their superior standards. They have to stick their nose in other people’s business.

Just ime Obamacare for example. If someone decides they do not wish to buy health care insurance, what business is that of mine. It is their life they should live it and they should face it’s consequences.Why is it up to some do-gooder nosy bastard to tell these people how they should spend their funds.

40 posted on 03/25/2013 5:01:53 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: Makana

“terrestrial examples”

Do you have any extraterrestrial examples? :)

Creating a marine preserve is only a mechanism, not a reason, however much they would like you and others to believe that - as in “marine preseves are a good thing, so why not make more?”

A self-justifying reason for their existance, but only as a way to convince others more are needed and so get more contibutions to make more momentum for still more preserves and more propaganda. So it has gone on for decades.

Just follow the money trail, if you can - complex, interwoven, and deliberately obscured as the money flows from one group to another and back again by a different route.

There was a woman I knew in the early 90s who edited a very small town paper. She did her homework very diligently, testified before Congress, wrote a book, but in the end had limiited success in convincing anyone she had uncovered the framework.

But that was then when times seemed desparate to some of us, now, however, more and more people are seeing just how truely bad the situation is becoming for everyone, not just a few here and there living in obscure towns around the nation.

41 posted on 03/25/2013 5:39:00 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: tbpiper

Dear tbp,

While the subject is about food, the object is about much more than food. Look up. Look to what was done to miners, loggers, and farmers. Look to takings in the name of eminent domain and confiscation by other means of private property. It is all there to be found and all connected.

Here’s a piece to help you catch up which I published by Jim Beers a dozen years ago - bit long:

Edited Report for readability - the content is largely as the author wrote it.

Introduction to the Animal Rights 2001 Conference at McLean, Virginia

For five days in early July I attended the Animal Rights 2001 Conference at the McLean, Virginia, Hilton Hotel.

The following (and also attached) 10 page report of what I saw and heard during those five days is something that I believe should be read and understood by every American. If you agree, please forward it to your friends and associates. Give it to anyone who will publish it in any publication that will do so. Talk to every one and every group that you can about it. If you can suggest anything further that I can do to help place this threat to our way of life before others, please let me know.

My purpose here is to make available what I learned at this Conference to as many people as possible. Anything you can do to help will be greatly appreciated.

Jim Beers, a Virginia Sportsman.

After several requests by Conservation Force, an international sustainable use conservation organization located in Louisiana, I agreed to attend the annual animal rights meeting. The Conference ran from 30 June to 5 July at the Hilton Hotel in McLean, Virginia. John Jackson, Chairman of Conservation Force, believed that it was important for hunters and other sustainable use supporters to attend this conference just as animal rights representatives attended annual wildlife management meetings. This made sense to me. I was surprised to learn that no other sustainable use or hunting or fishing group planned to have anyone attend this meeting in a suburb of Washington. As the five days passed, I discovered that no participants or attendees from any of the national conservation groups were to be found, here in their own backyard. To the best of my knowledge, no one else who questioned the goals or tactics of the animal rights movement was in attendance.

*Those of you who hunt, fish, trap, should have been there.
*Those of you who wear fur, leather, should have been there.
*Those of you who raise mink, should have been there.
*Those of you who sell fur or leather products, should have been there.
*Those of you who live on ranches or farms, should have been there.
*Those of you who log timber or graze animals, should have been there.
*Those of you who train animals, should have been there.
*Those of you who have pets, should have been there.
*Those of you who enjoy rodeos, circuses, should have been there.
*Those of you who use wood products, public lands, should have been there.
*Those of you who eat meat, eggs, cheese, wild fish and wildlife, seafood, should have been there.
*Those of you who attend dog races, should have been there.
*Those of you who support animal research for human treatments, proactive fish and wildlife management for human benefit, the 2nd Amendment, should have been there.
*Those of you who own guns, should have been there.
*Those of you who oppose terrorism, intimidation, physical threats, forcible establishment of rule by anarchy in our USA, the efforts of the UN to regulate everything to do with fish and wildlife and guns throughout the world, the continued expansion of Federal power, should have been there.
*Those of you who recreate in the outdoors with your families, should have been there.
*Those of you who want your religious institutions kept free from infiltration and manipulation, should have been there.
*Those of you who believe in the Constitutional freedoms of the USA, should have been there.
*Those of you who love your children, this nation and what it stands for should have been there.
*Organizations that represent your interests should have been there.
*Law enforcement organizations should have been there.

The people and groups that gathered at this luxury Hilton Hotel for five days made no bones that they are going to eliminate every traditional use of animals and many other American freedoms and traditions. They have been going about this incrementally for years. Since there have been no serious consequences of their activities, their boldness and arrogance has reached gargantuan proportions. They clearly believe and preach the radical reformation of the way we live, the way we relate to our government, and the elimination of most freedoms that we take for granted here in the USA. They intend to change the relationship between mankind and the animal world that has existed for millennia.

This radical movement must be brought into the light of day. Their agenda, from mandated veganism to obtaining legal rights first for apes and then for all other animals, must be understood by all of us. The current process where bear hunting is voted out in one state and all of us say, “I don’t hunt bears”. Where wild Himalayan sheep are added to UN Lists and all of us say, “I will never get to the Himalayas”. Where public land is locked up and we say, “I will never have to use that land”. Where dog breeders are restricted to low numbers or forbidden to breed their dogs and we say, “I have a cat”. This incremental process of dividing us and slowly taking away right after right, this must be exposed and responded to by all of us, including those vegans and disgruntled citizens who value freedom and America’s promise.

The only way for me to convey the truly frightening experience of attending this conference is to describe what I encountered. I earnestly hope that the reader will be convinced to treat this movement with the serious consideration and public scrutiny that it deserves. If all of us don’t pull together to maintain our freedoms and way of life, these people will surely turn us into a society that our forefathers would not recognize and in which we, and I ultimately believe they, will not want to live.

I can only report what I saw through the eyes of a 60 year old white male. These are also the eyes and ears of a Catholic wildlife biologist and ex-law enforcement officer who hunts, fishes, and understands the benefits of proactive fish and wildlife management. After a stint with the Utah Game and Fish, the US Navy, the Minneapolis Police Department, and 30 years in various locations with the US Fish and Wildlife Service I am what I am and I see what I see. All of these things are relevant to what I am about to report to you.

Although the First Amendment guarantees the right of free speech and free assembly, many of the things I saw and heard could only be characterized as inciting mayhem. Many of the people making presentations crossed state lines to get there and there were numerous inferences, suggestions, and encouragements to commit violent and unlawful acts of major magnitudes.

Arrival And Registration
Walking through the parking lot each day revealed an abundance of bumper stickers. Most referred to veganism in varying intensities. The eventual imposition of veganism nationwide was the most common. Other stickers referred to resisting globalism, disrupting NAFTA, outlawing circuses, outlawing rodeos, stopping fishing, stopping hunting, stopping dogracing, protesting at Seattle and Quebec, intimidating the World Bank, and outlawing all fur and leather.

The exhibit area inside lay between the registration desk and the conference rooms. Passing through the exhibits revealed an incredible range of protest topics. The following is a partial list of the handouts and publications:

*How the international chemistry industry is killing poor people around the world.
*How President Bush is using religion to kill our Constitution.
*Why we must stop the war on drugs.
*How the World Bank is being forced to meet the demands of protesters.
*Why we should teach children not to be ashamed of their bodies.
*How all religions were originally vegan.
*Ending the use of animals in research, testing, and education.
*Stopping the use of animals for meat, eggs, and dairy products.
*Spiritual Communication with animals.
*Using animal communicators.
*What would Jesus eat today.
*Stopping logging in the Philippines.
*How President Bush is oppressing minorities.
*Why we shouldn’t eat bananas, chocolate, or beef or use coffee.
*How to stop union busting in Haiti.
*Boycotting McDonalds, Macy’s, Anheuser Busch, and the Back Bay Restaurant Group.
*Why criminals start out as animal abusers.
*What’s wrong with - leather, hunting, seafood, fur, meat, etc.
*Protesting in Solidarity with the U’wa People.
*The Global Sweatshop Coalition.
*Ending Procter and Gamble Testing on animals.
*Internships for animal rights, indigenous rights, anti-sweatshop, and anti-fur.
*Internship for Direct Action/Civil Disobedience.

There were more things here but space is limited. I mention these to give the reader a taste of the atmosphere at this conference.

Video Presentations And Sessions
Videos were constantly being shown. The following selections represent the flavor of those presentations.

*Igniting A Revolution. A sympathetic primer by radical environmental and animal activists on “ecotage”.
*Sexual Politics Of Meat. Carol Adams, feminist-vegetarian author.
*Animal Liberation: The Movie. - ALF raids on British laboratories and factory farms.
*What’s Wrong With Hunting. By Buffalo Bills Coach, Marv Levy.
*Puppy Mill Expose. By actor, Charlize Theron.
*The Real Life Of Circus Animals. By actor, Ali McGraw.
*Great American Meatout. By actor, Ed Asner.
*Money And Myths. - How state wildlife agencies fail to protect wildlife.
*The Burger King Campaign. By CBS newsreader, Dan Rather.
*Australia Factory Farm Raids.

There were many others on trapping, chicken farms, the cowboy image, etc. There were four concurrent sessions throughout the days. Here are selections from the program.

*When Is Killing OK? (Attacking Animals? Unwanted Dogs & Cats? Fetuses Or Babies?)
*What Rights? Which Animals? (Should Intelligence Matter?)
*Getting Attention (Legally) (Effective Use Of Street Demonstrations)
*Getting Attention (Otherwise) (CD’s, Disruptions, Banner Drops, Rescues, Phone/Web Siege, Destruction)
*Animal Spirituality (Communicating With Animals)
*How Broad Our Ethics? (Can We Justify Lying, Cheating, Stealing, Subordinating Other Social Goals?)
*Animal Victimhood (Commonality Of Oppression Of Animals, Children, Women, Minorities)
*Winning Hearts And Minds (Changing Behavior Through Feelings And Beliefs)
*Your Son Or The Rat? (Whose Life Do We Value?)
*Role Of Violence
*Direct Tactics (Economic And Peer Pressure, Physical Threats)
*Enacting Federal Legislation (Issues, Coalitions, Legislators And Committees)
*How Can We All Get Together? (What Are The Opportunities And Obstacles? What Are The Steps?)
*Enacting State And Local Laws
*What Price Solidarity? (when should we tolerate damaging tactics or statements by other leaders?)
*What Price Animal Liberation? (how far should we go to liberate animals? What should be off limits?)
*Medicine Campaigns (Huntingdon, Coulston, OPRC, Procter & Gamble, WWAIL)
*Outreach To Women And Minorities
*Outreach To Religion
*Companion Campaigns (Property, Puppy Mills, Spay/Neuter, No-Kill, Korean Dogs)

General Comments
*Animals are like exploited workers and prisoners.
*WTO demonstrations helped to save turtles.
*Oppressed people are like labor and environmental supporters.
*Pollution is just like police brutality. Use it as an excuse to demonstrate and forge coalitions.
*Abortion rights activists can help to involve the women’s movement and the lesbian/gay activists.
*An eco-feminist ethicist ranted against patriarchy and the “Miss Vegan” contests.
*A German leftist studied right wing extremism. He concludes - People in power exploit, oppress, and exclude.
*Speciesism is racist and right wing, like Nazism talked about Slavs.
*Invading Russia was like invading the wilderness.
*Nazism today is the animal users who enslave and kill animals like slave laborers who were “hunted” for sport by Nazis.
*Competition establishes inequality and oppression.
*Guns must be eliminated from society.
*Anyone with a gun wants to kill.

I could only attend one fourth of the sessions because there were four presented at a time in four locations. I can only say that those I did attend ranged from very old rhetoric about trapping and hunting to scary references to the violent change of our form of government.

There were reportedly over a thousand attendees. Many were my age and boasted about starting in the Vietnam protests. Many of the middle-aged attendees boasted of other protest movement experience on behalf of radical feminism, the environment, and oppressed workers and minorities.

About a third of the attendees were under 25. Many of these were heavily tattooed and made liberal use of metal rings through various body parts. My guess would be that half of them were attending their first such conference. In my opinion, they were being scrutinized by many of the sponsors and session instructors. They were encouraged to meet with instructors later in hallways and at dinner if they were interested in learning “more” about what was discussed and the things only alluded to.

It appeared to be a bazaar for inducting young people into terrorist activities. Keep this in mind as you read the following excerpts from sessions which I attended.

I’ve been arrested six times and I still teach at my University. Some places like San Francisco will never prosecute you for anything.

Put bricks through widows to intimidate wives and children. Baseball bats when they pull into their driveways have a way of discouraging people.

Sometimes you have to ‘blow shit up.’ Some people should be ‘blown up’. Bomb threats at key moments in England have won the day for us.

Harass business acquaintances on the golf course and their neighbors. Break up stockholder meetings and company parties.

Here’s how to find out where people live. There is ‘other’ stuff that I will be glad to tell you about in the hall or after the dinner. There are no consequences of arrest. Break-ins, destroying property (fire, etc.) is all justified since society refuses to protect animals. Make things as costly as you can. I’m proud of all my arrests.

Propagandize and energize the young, especially radicals in their teens and twenties who will take risks.

Institute demonstrations and maximize disruptions and publicity.

Use ‘comely’ people as spokespersons and always appear rational and reasonable. Coordinate harassment by any means that destroys key businesses, business leaders, and other opponents.

Lying, cheating, destruction, and ‘anything else’ are justified since society won’t listen and the laws are against us. The end justifies the means.

Stress victimhood. Racism equals Sexism equals Speciesism.

Women and blacks had to chip into men’s rights. Now animals are chipping in also. ‘Person’ is not just humans. The privilege of ‘whiteness’ equals privilege over animals.

Attack history notions and focus on our progressive enlightenment on all these matters. Break up traditions and change the status quo to where we are in charge. Disrupt lawmaking that threatens us at any level.

European culture is our enemy. White males must be suppressed.

The Huntingdon Life Sciences Model from England - ED NOTE: Huntingdon Life Sciences has been exhaustively targeted, at all levels, by these groups - can serve American activists as an example of what to do. No one owns a pet. We are guardians only. The whole man/pet relationship needs to be revamped.

NOTE: There were many comments about cockfighting in states that still permit it, dogracing, meat, eggs, dairy products, animal research, and other matters that resemble the foregoing but are simply redundant and too much for this already extensive report.

Focus on progressive Churches. I’m a Buddhist but I speak at every progressive Church that will let me. Manipulate progressive Christians, Jews, and others. Assert that all early Churches were vegan. Identify and support vegan ministers and other religious leaders.

One humane leader compared himself to Mother Theresa. He, like she, ‘could save X many more animals per day or week if he had X more dollars.’ Go beyond dogma. Go beyond religion. Enter the circle of life.

Unity and Unitarian Churches are good bets to turn people to veganism. We are establishing a vegan-spiritual based society. We may soon convert the Dalai Lama to veganism. Tell people that we all come to this planet from somewhere.

Saint Francis and Suma Ching How support us. The religious issue is really the health / ethics / spirituality issue. Christian tradition has been adulterated. Beware of hierarchical priests.

Utilize professional animal communicators who engage in telepathic communication with animals. Establish conversations with ‘the other side’ (meaning the dead). Animal souls fit with all religions.

Read Angela Davis. Talk about dietary racism. Establish solidarity with women of color. Be very careful that you don’t get a Clarence Thomas.

Stress solidarity with all progressive movements. People of color are at great risk around hunters and trappers.

Get whites upset, this energizes minorities. Anti-nuclear protesters share our goals as do people against slave labor and those against using the third world to grow our food.

Always keep an eye out for free floating radicals who can help. Globalization is the issue to forge coalitions around. (Cheers) Preach solidarity with unions, minorities, feminists, and gay/lesbians.

Animals equal the Holocaust equals child abuse.

New Jersey is running out of kids indoctrinated to hunt. Training kids with guns endangers everyone.

Stress issues that divide hunters like ‘canned’ hunts. Dog hunting and baiting also divide hunters so use these topics. Hunters are already divided, keep dividing them.

Oppose all right to subsistence hunting by indigenous people. Use kites, recordings, bullhorns, and ‘other’ things.

This last comment brought a titter of laughs from many of the young people.

Hunters want to kill bears in New Jersey and we saved the bears. Hunter Constitutional Rights at the state level are funny. They are a placebo to hunters and just put control in state legislatures which we will soon control. The restrictions on ballot initiatives in Utah must be fought anywhere that they pop up. Hunters are getting old. Pretty soon they will just disappear.

We are successful in getting to children early in school so they learn to hate hunting. We need to work more with the UN to bring more animals under their control.

PETA has cracked the wholesomeness of fishing. This will deter families and help us with the wholesome labels of other animal uses.

Always deal with sport fishing and commercial fishing bans separately. Fishermen are tools of international businesses. All killing of fish must be stopped.

PETA is proud to be forcing the Boy Scouts to drop their fishing and wildlife management merit badges. They are proud to be in solidarity with others who are trying to change that indoctrination organization.

Confront anyone wearing fur and intimidate them. Use any tactics to put fur stores out of business. Confront people wearing fur trim. Embarrass fur wearers in front of their friends and at places where they wear fur.

Personalize the animals to children and the public.

Trappers are dying out.

The propaganda about animal control is all lies. No animals need to be controlled.

Predators must all be protected and allowed to spread everywhere.

Europe and especially England is way ahead of us here. The Labor Party is very sympathetic.

Cowboys are all sissies. Confront them and they run.

Take concealed videos to circuses and try to get footage of what goes on. Get local ordinances passed that make it more expensive and more difficult to put on performances.

Identify and support local law enforcement vegans and sympathizers.

The NARAL representative described how she is working with and supporting the Great Ape Project. The only goal is to obtain legal rights for apes as the crack in the wall for all other animals (like abortion, endangered species, and gun control).

Since industry bribes politicians, anything we do to get political support is good. Remember that we have friends who are not Democrat. Senator Smith (R-NH) and Senator Jeffords (I-VT) are two of our best friends.
Our new PAC will be an umbrella for all of us to give money directly to those we favor and to defeat those who are not our friends. We look forward to a large PAC.
We have eliminated several enemies like Sen. Slade Gorton (R-WA).

Eighty percent of the people are ‘assholes.’ If we can control 11% of the voters we can win control.

Clinton didn’t do enough for us. Bush is an enemy to all of us.

If 2% of the voters are ours, we can succeed beyond our wildest dreams.

The Animal Welfare Act is the vehicle for expansion and amendments that we had hoped it would be. The Federal Bear Protection Act proposed by Senator McConnell (R-KY) will transfer control of bears from the state to the Federal government.

We control the Federal Congress and the Federal bureaucracy now. In a few years we will control the state legislatures too. Get supporters in Federal agencies and work together.

We need Federal laws over dogs and cats. Training dogs for security, hunting, and performing must be controlled by the Federal government. Most Federal legislators are pro-animal rights and soon most state legislators will be too.

Federal controls break the back of the state fish and wildlife agencies that are pro-hunting. State agencies are enemies.

These selected comments are but a few of what I heard over five days. The more explosive sessions were avoided by the leaders and lawyers. Often hands were put over microphones and comments from spontaneous participants were not audible but caused considerable chuckling. I shudder to think about those things which they didn’t mention but invited participants to ask about “in the hall” or “after dinner”. The sessions held anywhere from 50 to 200 people, depending on the topic, and not once was anything questioned.

At one point I felt as if I was attending a communist training program back in the 50’s or 60’s for a cadre of insurgents to be sent into a country to be subverted. Some are trained to control the media, others to influence politicians and control bureaucracies, still others to control religion and schools, demonstrators were to disrupt things, and others to do the “other things” that ultimately underpin all the rest. Frightening is too weak a word to describe what it is like to watch this take place in a luxury hotel in a free country.

We all owe a debt of gratitude to John Jackson of Conservation Force for having the persistence to have me attend this Conference. Everyone who reads this should share it with your family, your neighbors, your associates and everyone else you come in contact with each day. All of us, whether or not we are concerned directly with one of these animal issues should understand what is happening and protect the traditions and rights of all of us whether or not we are an absolute majority. Allowing these tactics and organizations to succeed threatens all of us in every way.

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42 posted on 03/25/2013 5:59:35 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: Rebelbase

I hope he has found himself a job, because grains will hardly pay the fertiliser, and seed bill and certainly will not pay his taxes, and mortgage.

43 posted on 03/25/2013 6:12:40 AM PDT by Venturer
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Many thanks. tbp

44 posted on 03/25/2013 8:53:31 AM PDT by tbpiper
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