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Cigars expected to be targeted by FDA regulation
Washington Post ^ | 3/23/13 | Brady Dennis

Posted on 03/24/2013 6:06:43 PM PDT by markomalley

Nearly four years after it began regulating cigarettes, the Food and Drug Administration is poised to extend its reach to a broader range of tobacco products. At the top of that list: cigars, which have experienced a boom in recent years even as cigarette sales have declined, in part because of growing popularity among young people.

Anti-tobacco advocates and industry representatives widely expect the agency to require changes in the marketing and manufacturing of cigars. But the central question remains: What kind of cigars will the FDA target, and how?

On one end of the spectrum are the hand-rolled Cohibas and Arturo Fuentes that stock the humidors of high-end cigar shops and are favored by aficionados who don’t blink at paying top dollar. On the other are the convenience-store brands that appeal primarily to young smokers, such as 59-cent blueberry Swisher Sweets, peach-flavored White Owl Cigarillos, Phillies Blunts Sour Apple and menthol Cheyenne “little cigars” that are barely distinguishable from cigarettes.

Public health experts and some anti-tobacco lawmakers are pressing the FDA to regulate all cigars, but they mostly worry about the inexpensive, flavored varieties that have proliferated in recent years. Such cigars “are marketed aggressively and have resulted in high school kids and young adults being twice as likely as their older counterparts to be cigar smokers,” the Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids said in a recent report.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: antitobaccoscam; bullystate; fda; nannystate; regulation; scam; smokingnazis; tobacco

1 posted on 03/24/2013 6:06:43 PM PDT by markomalley
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To: markomalley
52 tobacco starts in the cold frame, waiting to go out in the big garden after Easter. I had to put 6 starts out early because they were so big they were getting root bound.

Regulate my back yard FDA, and kiss my fuzzy butt while you are at it.

/johnny

2 posted on 03/24/2013 6:09:19 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: markomalley; Revolting cat!

The ATF should leverage back on the FDA. Meanwhile the DEA is worried about losing power and influence as medical marijuana goes over to regulation by the FDA-ATFM


3 posted on 03/24/2013 6:11:29 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: markomalley

Can’t this MARXIST government just leave people alone?

When do we say enough is enough? When?


4 posted on 03/24/2013 6:20:13 PM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: markomalley

Some yutes use “blunt” cigars to smoke weed.

Since Nanny Bloomberg’s 32+ oz drink exempted 40 oz. bottles of malt liquor and Barack Obama’s “flavored tobacco ban” exempted menthols, I assume blunts will not be regulated either.

It’s a HARD LIFE alreadys.


5 posted on 03/24/2013 6:21:35 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: a fool in paradise
The ATF should leverage back on the FDA.

What's that mean?

6 posted on 03/24/2013 6:22:28 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: markomalley
I bought 50 Macanudo Gold Label Ascot mini's a month ago (from Thompson Cigars...vy reliable...they called everyday until the cigars arrived) and built my own cheap-ass humidor with hygrometer from Walmart and florist's wet foam.

In ten years, I will have the best tasting cigars in the Western Hemisphere (Connecticut River Valley wrapper, BTW).

But if the Gov't (most likely with Mike Bloomberg leading the charge) wants to take them away...well, come ahead and frikken try.

I'll pour the officers a very large Coke and offer them a cigar (cigars go well with Coke)...but that's all they get.

7 posted on 03/24/2013 6:30:12 PM PDT by RoosterRedux (Get armed, practice in the use of your weapons, get physically fit, stay alert!)
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To: markomalley

Is Monica going to be in charge of cigar regulation?


8 posted on 03/24/2013 6:46:13 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: JRandomFreeper

I’ve often wondered why more people don’t grow their own.


9 posted on 03/24/2013 6:53:44 PM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: Last Dakotan
Frankly, because it's a pain in the @$$. It takes a lot to grow it and do it well, to harvest it, and do it right, and to process it.

I've got the time and the willingness to extend a finger of civil unrest toward DC, and that's why I do it. That, and I'm cheap.

/johnny

10 posted on 03/24/2013 6:59:15 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: markomalley
they mostly worry about the inexpensive, flavored varieties that have proliferated in recent years.

The "Saturday Night Special" of cigars, eh? And there's the threat of scary-looking Assault Cigars. . .

11 posted on 03/24/2013 7:02:47 PM PDT by SamuraiScot
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To: Last Dakotan

Tobacco Growing Information

Raising tobacco is very easy. The seeds you received should be started inside in flats. In northern states, start the seeds 4-6 weeks before the last frost. Tobacco can be ready to harvest for curing about 60 days after transplanting, therefore it can be raised in almost any state. If raising more than one variety of tobacco, use separate flats. A mixture of peat humus and potting soil should be used. Potting soil only can be used if you select a high grade of commercial potting soil. Place the mixture into the flats, soak the soil with water and allow the excess water to drain off. The next day, sprinkle the tobacco seeds onto the surface of the damp soil. Do not cover the seeds as they need light for germination. Tobacco seeds are very tiny, so be careful to spread the seeds evenly. Keep the soil damp being careful not to wash the seeds around when you water. You will begin to notice sprouts in about two weeks. Transplant outside after all danger of frost is past.

If you have a moderate growing season and can start the seeds outside, try to sow the seeds where leaves or wood has been burned. The plants will thrive in these spots. Tobacco requires a lot of nitrogen and potash which is supplied by wood ashes. The ashes from charcoal grills are also beneficial. I recommend applying a good brand of garden fertilizer to the area where the plants will be grown. Working in rotted manure is very good for the plants. Never raise tobacco plants in the same spot in the garden for over a few years at a time as tobacco plants will totally deplete the nutrients in the soil.

You should space the tobacco plants about 2 ft. apart in rows 3 ft. apart when practical. The plants are large enough to transplant when the largest leaves are 2” or larger. Always transplant outside in late evening or when it is cloudy and overcast. Water plants thoroughly after transplanting and water daily each day until plants have become established. When growing in tubs, limit the number of plants grown. Tobacco plants need to be exposed to full sun while growing.

Tobacco roots grow quickly and often close to the surface. Be careful around plants when hoeing or cultivating around them. Try not to disturb the soil anymore than necessary. As the plant begins growing, remove all suckers as they will sap the plants growth.

http://www.organicaseed.com/tobacco.html


12 posted on 03/24/2013 7:04:22 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (_.. ._. .. _. _._ __ ___ ._. . ___ ..._ ._ ._.. _ .. _. .)
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To: Paladin2

No. She’s in charge of the humidor.


13 posted on 03/24/2013 7:04:51 PM PDT by Rebelbase (1929-1950's, 20+years for full recovery. How long this time?)
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To: Last Dakotan

It’s easy enough to grow. It’s the aging and fermentation that’s the tricky part.


14 posted on 03/24/2013 7:14:03 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: markomalley

I thought premium cigar use was declining. Apparently I’m very wrong because consumption is climbing back up into rates not seen since the mid-’90s. Something else to worry about finding and hoarding!


15 posted on 03/24/2013 7:17:32 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: Rebelbase

Yeah, but is it a High Capacity Humidor?


16 posted on 03/24/2013 7:27:07 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: unixfox

That is a question that goes unanswered with blank stares from so-called “progressives” that I personally know. When will they just leave us the hell alone??


17 posted on 03/24/2013 7:31:04 PM PDT by cld51860 (Oderint dum metuant)
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To: markomalley
They will be well advised to steer very clear.


18 posted on 03/24/2013 7:34:05 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: jjotto

I’ve noticed a lot more people in the shop I frequent looking at cigars than just picking up cigarettes lately. Especially the 20 something crowd. With the price of cigarettes shooting up so high, might as well get something with flavor.


19 posted on 03/24/2013 7:36:58 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: markomalley; All

Two of the oldest, best and cheapest places to buy premium cigars on the web:

http://www.jrcigars.com/jr/index.cfm

http://www.famous-smoke.com/


20 posted on 03/24/2013 7:37:28 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: Last Dakotan

I bought a bunch of old cigar presses the last time I was in New Orleans. I may be tempted to put them to a use other than wall hangings if things turn sour.


21 posted on 03/24/2013 7:40:37 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: unixfox
Can’t this MARXIST government just leave people alone?

No. Individual liberty is the antithesis of what the modern Democrats are working like termites to bring us.
22 posted on 03/24/2013 7:53:30 PM PDT by Trod Upon (The Second Amendment acknowledges our inherent right to revolt if tyrannized. It ain't about hunting)
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To: markomalley

23 posted on 03/24/2013 7:58:58 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not really out to get you.)
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To: Ken H
The ATF should leverage back on the FDA. What's that mean?

You do realize that the "T" in ATF stands for tobacco don't you? I think he's refering to the FDA cossing over into the ATF's business.
24 posted on 03/24/2013 8:25:57 PM PDT by CMS (I have not heard any politcians say how to take away guns from criminals, just law abiding citizens)
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To: markomalley

I am so tired of this liberal invocation of nanny state-ism. I have been spending some time in Northern Luzon, which has huge tobacco growing enterprises, results from the Spanish. Copenhagen ran out and is 9.20USD a can in Manila. The local commercial hand rolled from Tabacalera are nice smokes and a great value by US pricing, however I found hand rolled panatellas in a market where I buy them in a bundle of 50 for about a penny a piece. Expat is starting to come to my lips these days. I miss my hunting and fly fishing and the geography of the USA, but am so disappointed in the political crap and liberals in general.


25 posted on 03/24/2013 8:52:09 PM PDT by Trapper6012
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An acceptable cigar will cost between $5 to $10 which can account for a steep excise tax.


26 posted on 03/24/2013 10:04:05 PM PDT by Gene Eric (The Palin Doctrine.)
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To: jjotto

Its the soil, climate and seed and of course some sweet senoritas to roll em on their thighs. Otherwise you will might as well buy a White Owl at the 7-11.


27 posted on 03/24/2013 10:24:28 PM PDT by X-spurt (Republic of Texas, Come and Take It!)
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To: unixfox

When the pensions stop coming. Meanwhile, just keep bending over.


28 posted on 03/25/2013 7:19:21 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: X-spurt
...you will might as well buy a White Owl...

Pretty much, except almost all machine made cigars contain a variety of added chemicals like cigarettes do. There used to be a small number of machine made brands that contained 100% tobacco with no additives.

It's also a question of just nicotine delivery versus the pleasurable experience.

And then there's the taxes thing.

29 posted on 03/25/2013 8:11:06 AM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: jjotto

Not to worry, the last thing I’m burning will be a store-bought machine made. Muchly prefer the hand-rolled from DR.

I have had a box of small machine mades, from a small maker in DR that I personally know, that uses their own 100% cigar tobacco from their hand roll trimmings and that has no chemical. The catch is I have to buy them at the Santiago factory as they are mostly local consumed.


30 posted on 03/25/2013 8:28:08 AM PDT by X-spurt (Republic of Texas, Come and Take It!)
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To: markomalley; SheLion; Eric Blair 2084; -YYZ-; 31R1O; 383rr; AFreeBird; AGreatPer; Alamo-Girl; ...

Nanny State PING!


31 posted on 03/26/2013 7:01:13 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Drag Me From Hell!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Thanks for the ping!


32 posted on 03/26/2013 7:41:47 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: unixfox
Can’t this MARXIST government just leave people alone?

No, that would imply there is freedom in this nation that was founded on that principle.

33 posted on 03/27/2013 11:50:27 AM PDT by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: RoosterRedux

how did you like the macanudo golds? I bought some rocky patel cigars from http://www.seriouscigars.com/Rocky-Patel_Cigars_list You might try those too before we get taxed to death on everything!


34 posted on 02/04/2014 1:00:02 PM PST by derhussl (cigars taxes)
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To: Paladin2

lets hope so I hear she likes a large ring gauge!


35 posted on 02/04/2014 1:00:34 PM PST by derhussl (cigars taxes)
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To: Graybeard58

Man I never realized that it was that easy to get tobacco to grow. Now To find a Cuban Roller and some cuban seed!


36 posted on 02/04/2014 1:00:34 PM PST by derhussl (cigars growing)
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To: markomalley
I've been smoking little cigars (filtered) for years now instead of cigarettes. They taste like a cigarette used to. Cigarettes taste like plastic now. Plus I can get a carton for as little as $10.00 where a pack of cigs is $8.00-$9.00 now.

Then there's E-Cigs.

37 posted on 02/04/2014 1:09:23 PM PST by McGruff (I'm a Conservative. Not necessarily a Republican.)
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To: jjotto

I think http://www.thompsoncigar.com/ is the oldest you can actually see on their wiki page that they are one of the oldest mail order companies in the USA http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thompson_Cigar

I personally like http://www.seriouscigars.com they have a good selection and availability is good they ship promptly. They also will throw a humidification pillow in the box to keep the cigars moist.

http://www.cigarsinternational.com/ is another one I have purchased from and had a good experience.

I prefer serious but I think that’s just cause I have dealt with them the most.


38 posted on 02/04/2014 1:09:49 PM PST by derhussl (cigars growing)
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To: mnehring

I wonder what brand Chuck’s beard smokes!


39 posted on 02/04/2014 1:09:49 PM PST by derhussl (cigars growing)
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To: Paleo Conservative

Wonder where that cigar is nowadays. Could get quite a price at auction.


40 posted on 02/04/2014 1:12:13 PM PST by McGruff (I'm a Conservative. Not necessarily a Republican.)
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To: McGruff

I have tried a few e cigs but I just cant get in to them. they just don’t taste like real tobacco to me. I bought one of those Blu ones and it works great but the taste is just not what I expected.


41 posted on 02/05/2014 7:57:48 AM PST by derhussl (illegal entry by police)
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To: derhussl

Used to be that Holt’s was one of the more dignified places to buy cigars, but they’ve gone all JR, too. Holt’s is a good source for top brands others seem always out of!

http://www.holts.com/home.html

Speaking of JR, they’ve been owned by Altadis for a few years now. Not quite what they were.

And there’s also

http://www.mikescigars.com/

and

http://www.smokeinn.com/

Both good companies.

I’ve never found Thompson even competitive except on specials, where they do offer some excellent deals.

Shop and compare, but remember: A low price on something that’s always out of stock isn’t really a bargain!


42 posted on 02/05/2014 5:35:41 PM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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