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Teens: Why We Didn't Help Steubenville Rape Victim
Newser ^ | 03/23/2013 | By Neal Colgrass

Posted on 03/25/2013 11:42:50 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd

New video has emerged of police interviewing teenagers who saw the Steubenville rape victim getting more and more drunk before she was attacked, ABC News reports. "I could tell that she was gradually getting more drunk and worse throughout the night,” said 16-year-old Farrah Marcino. “Just, like, that she couldn’t, like, she didn’t walk." Anthony Craig, 18, described her as "a mess" and said she "wasn't responding."

But no one stopped her from leaving the party with her convicted rapists, Trent Mays and Ma'Lik Richmond—even though, Craig said, she was passed out and carried away. "She wanted to go with Trent," he said. "Like, we just kept trying to tell her: ‘You don’t want to do this. You don’t want to go with them.' I just let her do what she want[ed], which I understand was wrong." Ohio's district attorney seems to agree: He's convening a grand jury to investigate whether charges can be filed against teens who failed to report the attack.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Ohio
KEYWORDS: anthonycraig; farrahmarcino; malikrichmond; ohio; steubenville; trentmays
This gets uglier and uglier.

Will they really charge teenagers who didn't do more to stop this rape?

1 posted on 03/25/2013 11:42:50 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd
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To: Responsibility2nd

Sometimes you have to make an example out of someone, so others will know where there responsibility lies. A grand jury investigation is fine with me. Give them a good scare & hope it gets out in their social media.


2 posted on 03/25/2013 11:47:04 AM PDT by Twotone (Marte Et Clypeo)
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To: Twotone

There = their! Second time I’ve done that today. Sheesh!


3 posted on 03/25/2013 11:47:47 AM PDT by Twotone (Marte Et Clypeo)
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To: Responsibility2nd

No. The reason noone did anything is because this is typical. I went to parties when I was a teen. This same thing is happening in every city and small town in American every Friday and Saturday night. Girls much younger than 16 are being treated this way. Just not put on twitter.


4 posted on 03/25/2013 11:48:11 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: demshateGod

To do something would be judgmental - and the golden rule for the previous 25 years is, ‘Don’t judge!’ Nor did the kids have someone telling them what to do - they lack initiative and their moral compass has been passed over a magnet about a dozen time.


5 posted on 03/25/2013 11:55:35 AM PDT by AD from SpringBay (We deserve the government we allow.)
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To: Twotone

How about holding drunken people responsible for getting drunk?


6 posted on 03/25/2013 12:03:39 PM PDT by donna (Pray for revival.)
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To: Responsibility2nd
What is really needed is to make a horrific example of the coaches and and the authority figures. Whoever’s house(s) this stuff took place in should be looking at punishment that would shock the Chinese or KGB.

Personally, had that been my daughter, no matter *HOW* drunk she got, what she said or did... there would be a few shallow graves and some rubble where the house was and the football stadium was.

Rapists should die. slowly. No excuses, no mitigating circumstances, no mercy.

7 posted on 03/25/2013 12:04:41 PM PDT by RedStateRocker (Nuke Mecca, Deport all illegals, abolish the IRS, DEA and ATF.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

I don’t see in this story where they did anything wrong. Sounds like she wanted to go with them. Are the other teenagers to assume she was babout to get raped? I haven’t followed this story that closely, so please let me know if I am missing something here. Are the kids responsible for babysitting another kid? This isn’t the mentality I want my son growing up in.


8 posted on 03/25/2013 12:05:06 PM PDT by wolfman23601
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To: wolfman23601

Really? I have two sons. When they get older, I certainly hope they will step up and do their best to disallow a passed-out drunk girl from getting carried away by drunken assholes with history of this sort of thing.

(Rather, I hope they aren’t even near these types of parties, but if they are, I want them to do the right thing. And that means stepping in.)


9 posted on 03/25/2013 12:09:51 PM PDT by whattajoke (Let's keep Conservatism real.)
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To: donna
How about holding drunken people responsible for getting drunk?

I am not sure, but I think there has been a suggestion that a date rape drug was used. She could have sipped a beer and suddenly been far drunker than you or I ever have been.

I do think that one problem is that our culture (and its been this way forever) allows kids to go to parties and make mistakes with alcohol, and it's just "funny" it's just "having a good time". People see a girl being carried out of a building and it's just "Cool! She got wasted!"

With a different culture, more people would step up and say, "Look, either she doesn't know how to drink and she just flat-out overdid it, or else you slipped her something. Either way, it's not right for you to carry her over to your place. You need to stop right where you are."

It would be nice if kids looked out for each other. But that's not cool.

10 posted on 03/25/2013 12:11:48 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The ballot box is a sham. Nothing will change until after the war.)
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To: AD from SpringBay

You’re right. At my high school, this would not have been strange. Those who disapproved didn’t have anyone who’d listen to them. These guys in Steubenville are among many who have taken advantage of a drunk girl.


11 posted on 03/25/2013 12:12:07 PM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

But won’t that hurt their self-esteem???


12 posted on 03/25/2013 12:14:31 PM PDT by Mr. K (There are lies, damned lies, statistics, and democrat talking points.)
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To: wolfman23601

From these two paragraphs there is nothing that crosses a legal threshold however there are several accounts of other teens who actually witnessed the rape/assualt. Apparently there is a video of a teen joking that the girl must be dead because (paraphrasing) no one could sleep through anal sodomy.


13 posted on 03/25/2013 12:15:29 PM PDT by RightOnTheBorder
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To: donna

Sixteen year olds are not held accountable because too many are irresponsible by virtue of age.

I haven’t followed closely, but I wonder who supplied the booze because these teens were not old enough to buy it without help from an adult.

I do not believe charges should be filed on these other kids, except if they were also boozing illegally.

I imagine some of those girls may think twice about ever getting in the position the victim was in.


14 posted on 03/25/2013 12:16:53 PM PDT by dforest (I have now entered the Twilight Zone.)
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To: donna

We do, if they do something that hurts another - like drunk driving that results in an accident.

The girl was certainly stupid to get drunk. That doesn’t excuse the boys who raped her or her friends who didn’t try to intervene. All are culpable, & it’s a tragedy for everyone concerned.


15 posted on 03/25/2013 12:18:07 PM PDT by Twotone (Marte Et Clypeo)
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To: ClearCase_guy
My super hot ex-wife got too drunk once out with friends at a bar in L.A..

I sent her into the bathroom because it was going to be a long ride home.

She came out of the bathroom with a new friend. “I am really worried about her she is too drunk. I've been in that situation before and I just wish someone had helped me.”

I said “Yes, I'm taking her home.”

She repeated “I am really worried about her she is too drunk. I've been in that situation before and I just wish someone had helped me.”

Suddenly it dawned on me that it was ME she was worried about! I'm holding up a sloshy hot blond and saying “I'm going to take her home!!!!!”.

I laughed and said “I'm taking her to HER home, she is my wife” - and I showed the rings.

She laughed and I thanked her for her concern.

16 posted on 03/25/2013 12:18:24 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: whattajoke

And if they don’t they belong in jail because he was supposed to know the girl was going to be taken somewhere and raped?


17 posted on 03/25/2013 12:19:01 PM PDT by wolfman23601
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To: allmendream

That’s awesome!


18 posted on 03/25/2013 12:21:44 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The ballot box is a sham. Nothing will change until after the war.)
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To: RightOnTheBorder

That’s different if someone actually witnessed the rape. That is aiding and abetting a felony.


19 posted on 03/25/2013 12:22:13 PM PDT by wolfman23601
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To: ClearCase_guy
It was pretty funny. I had never seen myself in that light as my default setting is as the protector of women. But there I am holding up a far too drunk blond saying “I’m going to take her home!” to the woman who was “worried about her”. Yeah - THAT was what she was worried about!
20 posted on 03/25/2013 12:23:41 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: dforest
I haven’t followed closely, but I wonder who supplied the booze because these teens were not old enough to buy it without help from an adult.

I'd also like to know who's responsible for an underage girl having access to alcohol.

And I'd also like to know who supplied the premises.

And I wonder why the parents of the victim haven't filed civil suits.

21 posted on 03/25/2013 12:28:13 PM PDT by Age of Reason
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To: whattajoke
When they get older, I certainly hope they will step up and do their best to disallow a passed-out drunk girl from getting carried away by drunken assholes with history of this sort of thing.

Back around 1980 when I was 30, I spent a weekend with my buddy at his family's cottage on a small lake north of Detroit. We partied hard at a bar on Saturday night then went out for breakfast. After leaving the restaurant, we saw a girl walking along the highway and stopped to offer her a ride. She accepted and got in the backseat and it was apparent she was drunk on her butt.

Well, she kept asking one of us to join her back there but I wouldn't have anything to do with that and when we spotted a cop car, I demanded my buddy signal him over where we then turned the gal over to them.

You just don't know what can come of a situtation like that and I sure as hell didn't want to be accused in a potential rape case.

As it turns out, when the cop looked at my drivers license, he recognized my name and told me that he was a student at the Detroit Police Academy when my dad was an instructor there.......

22 posted on 03/25/2013 12:38:27 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco
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To: wolfman23601

Wholly different question. But one worth asking.


23 posted on 03/25/2013 12:41:21 PM PDT by whattajoke (Let's keep Conservatism real.)
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To: Hot Tabasco

Each situation is different. Put yourself in that same situation but you see some other guys, whom you know have been involved with totally sketchy sexual assault of drunk girls before, throw her into their car before you try to help her.

Then you see the cop drive by.

Would you have flagged him down? That’s the question here. Personally, I’m confident I would have. (But I’m in my 40’s and have a wealth of experience. The kids in this story are in high school with a whole different set of things going on. I get that.)


24 posted on 03/25/2013 12:46:27 PM PDT by whattajoke (Let's keep Conservatism real.)
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To: ClearCase_guy
I am not sure, but I think there has been a suggestion that a date rape drug was used. She could have sipped a beer and suddenly been far drunker than you or I ever have been.

Where's her responsibility for taking that sip of beer? Setting the rape aside, what she was doing was illegal. She went to the party knowing full well what type of party is was. Where were her parents and where were all the kids' parents? I don't buy the excuse that this is normal these days. Who let it become normal?

25 posted on 03/25/2013 12:56:03 PM PDT by bgill
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To: whattajoke
Put yourself in that same situation

I can't because I was never in a situation like THAT one..nor did I ever drink or attend booze parties as a high schooler....

Of course being the grandson of a Detroit cop and the son of a Detroit cop might have had something to do with that..........

26 posted on 03/25/2013 1:03:48 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco
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To: Responsibility2nd

I’ve been familiar with too many girls (not just teens) that no matter how much warning I can give them about not doing something like that and getting drunk (or with drugs) and running around in a crowd like that (or in ‘situations’ like that) - they’ll PERSIST despite all the absolutely desperate warnings I can give.

Usually I’ll hear about things much later, about what happened - as nothing was clearly going on ‘at the time’ I gave the warnings. I know where it’s leading and where it’s going - but NO MATTER to the girls involved ... because they’ll persist all the way to the end. With some I figure they know what’s going to happen and they’re okay with it - because afterwards, it’s like it was no big deal.

I’ve seen way too much of it where these girls will ABSOLUTELY PERSIST in going down this track no matter what (even when they are clear-headed at first). Of course, when they’re not clear-headed later on, it’s even more useless at that time.

With many of these parents who say they are mad at the guys, they should be mad at the girls because they absolutely persist in getting totally wasted knowing that this is where they’re going to end up.


27 posted on 03/25/2013 1:12:20 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler

Young girls can be very stupid. Young girls who have had sex with a young man can be even more stupid. The prolactin kicks in and they put themselves on the line, pregnancy, rape, drunkeness. They go stupid.


28 posted on 03/25/2013 1:27:29 PM PDT by Chickensoup (200 million unarmed people killed in the 20th century by Leftist Totalitarian Fascists)
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To: Responsibility2nd
There is no respect for human life & dignity in our society today - from adults or kids. It's getting to be like Sodom & Gomorrah!! Human life is cheap. This is shown daily by our politicians, the laws we accept to live by & the smut shown on TV. Teen age crime gets a slap on the wrist. Just walk through the mall & listen to how freely teens use the 'F' word.

Immorality in all forms is an accepted way of life. Some parents let their daughters allow boyfriends 'sleep overs' without a second thought. Teens of that age are not stupid. They know deep in their hearts what is wrong & what is right. They are given the lowest denominator to live by & they oblige.

This girl was treated like garbage, was laughed at & it was spread all over the internet. How truly sad if she was actually given a date rape drug, One of the kids asked "What if this was YOUR sister" & the answer was "She's not'. Not everyone takes responsibility for their actions & they certainly won't for others actions. Even the team coach fluffed it off & didn't take any action to keep these guys from playing.

It is a difficult task for decent parents & kids ro cope with these problem. The parents of all the involved teenagers should at least have some notion of who their kids hang out with, if they are actually at the place they say they are going & what is going on at that place.

The one saving grace about this story is that people responded with outrage & forced the prosecuter & the coach to finally deal with the problem of these football hero rapists - who broke down in court & cried like babies.

29 posted on 03/25/2013 1:32:32 PM PDT by LADY J (You never know how strong you are until being strong is the only choice you have. - Author Unknown)
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To: wolfman23601
I don’t see in this story where they did anything wrong. Sounds like she wanted to go with them. Are the other teenagers to assume she was babout to get raped?

Why else would two boys carry a drunk girl off bodily? Based on videos of their filthy language that accompanied this situation, they probably made their intentions to rape crystal clear.

They were all drinking illegally and depending on one another not to call the police; but their partying is over now because they did nothing to save this girl's health, not even call the parents in whose house this was taking place to help out. But the party in jail will just be startin' when those two nice-looking boys get there.

30 posted on 03/25/2013 1:35:53 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (Liberalism: knowing you're better than everyone else because of your humility. -- Daniel Greenfield)
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To: whattajoke
(...I hope [my sons] aren’t even near these types of parties, but if they are, I want them to do the right thing. And that means stepping in.)

One of my younger family members first met his future wife by rescuing her, a complete stranger, from a pest who was hitting on her at a party. They've been married for years now. Chivalry is not entirely dead!

31 posted on 03/25/2013 1:39:09 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (Liberalism: knowing you're better than everyone else because of your humility. -- Daniel Greenfield)
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To: Age of Reason

I believe I read in the DailyMail that the parents at whose house the drinking happened are going to be charged.


32 posted on 03/25/2013 1:41:51 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (Liberalism: knowing you're better than everyone else because of your humility. -- Daniel Greenfield)
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To: RedStateRocker

Rape? In any other state, these kids would not even be charged. There was zero intercourse. Wasn’t it a finger. I am not trying to belittle that fact, but only in Ohio is that considered rape.


33 posted on 03/25/2013 2:05:01 PM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: LADY J

I live fairly close to Steubenville and have followed this case from the beginning. This is my take:
This type of partying was commonplace and there was talk of another rape that happened in April. There may also be other girls who were treated like this. The family of the girl “raped” in April was turned away by the authorities in Steubenville. The other girls have said nothing. The current victim’s parents did not go away quietly. And they have death threats against them now.
This current victim is the ex-girlfriend of one of the boys present that night who filmed and took pictures. She broke up with him and he tweeted 2 weeks before this incident that he would “destroy her”.
So the modus operandi was in place. The only difference was that they were to take pictures and video and spread them around to “destroy” her. What they were too stupid to understand was that the video, pictures and texts would bring them down. They provided all the evidence the police needed.
Because the teenagers did not even come forward with information when asked by police. None of them. The three eye witnesses were compelled to talk with immunity. The coach did not help. The Grand Jury will compel these awful people to talk.


34 posted on 03/25/2013 2:41:02 PM PDT by theycallmemom
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To: Responsibility2nd
"She wanted to go with Trent," he said. "Like, we just kept trying to tell her: ‘You don’t want to do this. You don’t want to go with them.' I just let her do what she want[ed], which I understand was wrong."

If a drunk girl demands to be allowed to do something unwise, are the people around her allowed to physically restrain her from her unwisdom? Because that's what it would have taken: use of physical force against the football players AND the girl.

Another complicating factor was that calling the police would result in their officially taking notice of the underage drinking at the party.

35 posted on 03/25/2013 2:41:15 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: napscoordinator

Oh, so it’s ok to insert random digits, items, etc., into an unwilling/incapacitated female’s vagina. As long as it’s not a penis. Right?


36 posted on 03/25/2013 2:49:31 PM PDT by coop71 (Being a redhead means never having to say you're sorry...)
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To: coop71

Everywhere but Ohio...yes. That is the law not my personal feeling on the subject.


37 posted on 03/25/2013 4:18:14 PM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: PapaBear3625

Another complicating factor was that calling the police would result in their officially taking notice of the underage drinking at the party.

Steubenville is a river town. Football is king. I think all (21?)coaches should be investigated. As well as all the LE agencies in Jefferson County. Investigated by the FBI that is.


38 posted on 03/25/2013 4:48:23 PM PDT by Rannug ("God has given it to me, let him who touches it beware.")
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To: AD from SpringBay

To do something would be judgmental - and the golden rule for the previous 25 years is, ‘Don’t judge!


Exactly!


39 posted on 03/25/2013 6:58:17 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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