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Vicente Fox Says Mexico Will Not Act To Stop Illegal Immigration
Center For Immigration Studies ^ | 21 March 2013 | Jerry Kammer

Posted on 03/25/2013 11:59:32 AM PDT by zeestephen

"Mexico cannot limit the freedom of its citizens to go anywhere they like. If we would do so, we would be like Cuba....that's not our job. Our job is to create the opportunities for them in Mexico."

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TOPICS: Mexico; News/Current Events; US: Arizona; US: California; US: New Mexico; US: Texas; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; arizona; california; cuba; immigration; mexico; newmexico; texas; vicentefox; waronterror

1 posted on 03/25/2013 11:59:32 AM PDT by zeestephen
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To: zeestephen

If we had actual leaders in this country, that statement would tantamount to a declaration of war.


2 posted on 03/25/2013 12:02:32 PM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: zeestephen

I guess from their perspective, that is the way to go. See, they have leaders there who do the right thing for their country. Here, we have leaders who are either too dense to understand the damage this open border stuff does to the fabic of this society (me putting in politely), or more accurately only caring about whether their party goals will be furthered if they can pack the voter rolls.


3 posted on 03/25/2013 12:07:25 PM PDT by Mouton (108th MI Group.....68-71)
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To: zeestephen

But be dmaned those Guatemalans, eh Fox!!!


4 posted on 03/25/2013 12:08:03 PM PDT by avacado
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To: Da Coyote

Actually, he isn’t wrong. There is nothing stopping them from leaving the country.


5 posted on 03/25/2013 12:08:33 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Got a problem? Nothing a drone strike can't fix.)
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To: zeestephen

ZAP!!!

WRONG ANSWER!!

If we had an Administration run by patriotic, thinking Americans - unlike this one or the previous three - the government would militarize the border, seize Mexico’s assets, and use deductions from those assets to cover the cost of dealing with thye expense of their illegal alien invaders here - apprehending, incarerating, caring for, trying, and expediting them.

THis charade is permitted to go along as it has because most American don’t DEMNAD that it stop. The incentive to keep it going is political - from the Democrats who want votes and economic - from Republicans getting support from corportate interests who want cheap labor. It also comes from the large collection of fruitcakes who run America’s Mainstream Christian Churches who think we have an obligation to accept and feed the entire world,


6 posted on 03/25/2013 12:09:45 PM PDT by ZULU (See: http://gatesofvienna.net/)
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To: zeestephen

If the Mexicans were white, conservative people with a history of liberty and freedom, that border would be shut tighter than the Berlin Wall.


7 posted on 03/25/2013 12:10:53 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

And why would he WANT to ?


8 posted on 03/25/2013 12:11:06 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: zeestephen

He will empty their jails and send all of those here too..


9 posted on 03/25/2013 12:11:18 PM PDT by PLD
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To: zeestephen

“Mexico cannot limit the freedom of its citizens to go anywhere they like”

...of course, if you come into Mexico illegally (not that anyone would ever want to) we will arrest you, and throw away zee key. - Fox

Hypocrite!


10 posted on 03/25/2013 12:11:31 PM PDT by Batman11 (We came for the chicken sandwiches and a Sweet Tea Party broke out!)
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To: Da Coyote
Does our country stop people that are leaving and try to determine if they are doing so with illegal intentions in the country they are bound for?

I have a Checkpoint Charlie stamp in my passport, but how does it work for someone driving from Texas to Mexico? Are you detained by U.S. government security personnel to determine if you are free to leave the U.S.?

11 posted on 03/25/2013 12:11:50 PM PDT by Gunslingr3
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To: EQAndyBuzz

He’s right. Its just a coincidence, though. They don’t value freedom in any other sense. This just supports the influx of dollars into Mexico.


12 posted on 03/25/2013 12:11:59 PM PDT by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: zeestephen

They will never do anything except wait for the traitorous American politicians to pass amnesty over and over. Party be damned its only about pandering to special interest groups.


13 posted on 03/25/2013 12:12:34 PM PDT by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: zeestephen
BLUF - without the transfer of payments from ex-pat Mexicans to their families still in Mexico the Mexican governments would be one continuous series of revolutions.

Take a close look at the history of Mexico 100 years ago. The central governments were face will a continuous cycle of revolutions because their internal economy could not provide for the people of Mexico. Since the American economy across the international boarder was primarily ranching there was no outside sources of money to be sent “home”.

Unfortunately Northern Mexico will always be a economic part of the US. If that lifeline is ever cut off the ruling families of Mexico have only a small chance of surviving the resulting political upheaval.

14 posted on 03/25/2013 12:13:20 PM PDT by Nip (BOHEICA and TANSTAAFL - both seem very appropriate today.)
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To: zeestephen

15 posted on 03/25/2013 12:13:22 PM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: ZULU
No, the REAL reason it goes on is because Americans are terrorized by their own nation.

We're afraid of being killed or imprisoned by our own government if we attempt to ... um ... DO something about illegals crossing over

It ain't politics, or Fox, or anything other than our own nation stopping us from being free and independent.

16 posted on 03/25/2013 12:15:09 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: zeestephen

“Vicente Fox Says Mexico Will Not Act To Stop Illegal Immigration”

Very poor headline, or Fox’s American English isn’t all he thinks it is.

According to the headline, Fox will allow illegal immigration INTO Mexico. but of course they will incarcerate and/or shoot all of THOSE.

Fox probably means that “Mexico Will Not Act To Stop Illegal Emigration”.

...unless Hussein’s racist incompetent illiterate handlers handed Fox a script to read.


17 posted on 03/25/2013 12:16:21 PM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: zeestephen

Then so far you have failed to do your job.


18 posted on 03/25/2013 12:17:36 PM PDT by oldenuff2no
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To: zeestephen

Well, when East Germany built the Berlin wall to keep citizens in, we condemned it. And rightly so.

Logically, he’s right. It’s not his job to keep people from fleeing, it’s his job to make them want to stay. It’s our job to keep immigration in control.

Those are just the facts as I see them and my opinion as to what they mean.


19 posted on 03/25/2013 12:18:11 PM PDT by biggerten (Love you, Mom.)
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To: zeestephen

“Mexico cannot limit the freedom of its citizens to go anywhere they like. If we would do so, we would be like Cuba....that’s not our job.”

And our job, amigo, is to stop Mexicanos at the border just like you stop Hondurans, Guatemalans, Nicaraguans, etc. at the Mexican border.


20 posted on 03/25/2013 12:22:31 PM PDT by SharpRightTurn (White, black, and red all over--America's affirmative action, metrosexual president.)
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To: zeestephen

If I were president, we would be tossing their dead bodies over the wall. Then, perhaps, he might consider doing something to prevent the invasion by HIS people.


21 posted on 03/25/2013 12:22:38 PM PDT by Gator113 ( ~just keep livin~)
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To: Mouton

I’m with you. Mexico handles its illegal problem and we don’t. Can’t blame Fox for that and I think many would agree. What if our borders were sealed so WE couldn’t leave? If Fox sticks his nose into our immigration policy, then that is a different matter.


22 posted on 03/25/2013 12:27:52 PM PDT by trubolotta
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To: biggerten

The problem with your major premise is that Mexico isn’t making any effort to respect our territorial sovereignty.
To the contrary, it actively aids and abets, encourages and assists its citizens in breaking our laws.


23 posted on 03/25/2013 12:28:41 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: zeestephen

Why should they stop? They have not and will not make even a single effort to make the lives of their citizens better. They don’t have to as long as the political class in D.C. looks at the illegals as potential voters instead of people breaking the law.


24 posted on 03/25/2013 12:28:55 PM PDT by SCHROLL
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To: zeestephen

Being illegal is a human right!/s


25 posted on 03/25/2013 12:28:56 PM PDT by Dallas59 (America died a little bit more on 11/6/2012)
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To: central_va
Re: “shut tighter than the Berlin Wall”

Exactly.

Think Cuba.

The first exodus occurred around 1960, when the white, European linked, professional class fled from Castro.

They transformed Miami with their business skills and their enterprise.

And they voted overwhelmingly for Republicans.

In the 70’s and 80’s, the Democrats and race baiters constantly complained about the “special” immigration privileges enjoyed by Cubans.

Then, the second exodus began, around 1980.

It took a while for Democrats to catch on, but the second wave of Cubans were almost all unskilled poor Hispanics (plus about 25% criminals getting “early release” from Castro).

The only people who complain about Cuban immigration now are the Democrat race baiters who demand that Black Haitians should get the same privileges as poor Cubans do now.

26 posted on 03/25/2013 12:33:07 PM PDT by zeestephen
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To: zeestephen
"...Our job is to create the opportunities for them in Mexico."

OK, do your job.

27 posted on 03/25/2013 12:41:07 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: zeestephen

Mr. Fox is correct that a free country can’t stop their people from leaving if they want. The freedom to leave however does not carry with it the freedom to enter another sovereign country at will. Just as Mexico has the right and responsibility to control entry into their country, so does the United States. Mexico can’t be blamed for our government’s failure to control immigration.


28 posted on 03/25/2013 12:42:09 PM PDT by etcb
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To: zeestephen

Fox is absolutely right. Why SHOULD he care if his people try to sneak into our country. I wish OUR deadbeats would sneak into Mexico. People go where the money is.


29 posted on 03/25/2013 12:43:16 PM PDT by New Jersey Realist (America: home of the free because of the brave)
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To: Gunslingr3

Re: “Are you detained by U.S. government security personnel to determine if you are free to leave the U.S.?”

They definitely check for outstanding warrants, or if you are a criminal suspect, or if you are smuggling items in, like guns (I guess drugs only move the other way).

And, you would be arrested if you try to sneak across without a Border Control check.

And, you would be arrested and put in jail by the Mexicans if they find you without proper documentation.


30 posted on 03/25/2013 12:44:37 PM PDT by zeestephen
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To: trubolotta
Re: “What if our borders were sealed so WE couldn’t leave?”

Each year, MILLIONS of Mexicans visit the USA.

Legally!

Then they go home.

Again, legally!

31 posted on 03/25/2013 12:50:52 PM PDT by zeestephen
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To: zeestephen

No problem with this. We didn’t like it when the East Germans and USSR did their part to prevent “illegal immigration.” People have the right to leave.

They just don’t have the right infiltrate another country unlawfully.

Fortify and mine the southern border.


32 posted on 03/25/2013 12:51:07 PM PDT by Little Ray (No "Comprehensive" Immigration Reform. Fortifiy the Borders First.)
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To: martin_fierro

OK, now that is funny!


33 posted on 03/25/2013 12:58:38 PM PDT by PTBAA
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To: central_va

You mean like the Canadian border?


34 posted on 03/25/2013 12:59:34 PM PDT by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: zeestephen

Not all Latins are mexicans....not all are looking for a handout...not all blame the gringo for everything...not all are products of a totally corrupt environment...not all are drug dealers/criminals.

If there is resentment its due to being cast with the mexicans.


35 posted on 03/25/2013 1:21:48 PM PDT by rrrod (at home in Medellin Colombia)
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To: tumblindice

While I see your point, they are acting in a rational manner, even if we don’t like it.

I don’t see what to do about it except control our borders.

Now, if only they could wall in D.C...........

Or San Francisco...........


36 posted on 03/25/2013 1:48:11 PM PDT by biggerten (Love you, Mom.)
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To: zeestephen

Well, the U.S. won’t stop illegal immigration, either. Not under this Administration.


37 posted on 03/25/2013 1:50:21 PM PDT by popdonnelly (The right to self-defense is older than the Constitution.)
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To: popdonnelly

...or under the PREVIOUS one.


38 posted on 03/25/2013 1:56:47 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: biggerten

I see your point, Mexico certainly doesn’t have to build a wall to keep its citizens in and I suppose we have become reconciled to dealing with the problem ourselves.
But if your next door neighbor raided your fridge, helped himself to your car keys, had friends and relatives living in your guest room and dumped his garbage cans over your fence?

That’s not just irrational behavior, it’s criminal. Mexico is a bad neighbor. Period.


39 posted on 03/25/2013 2:26:43 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: Gunslingr3

Actually, the answer to that question is yes. If you try to fly out of this country to another country that requires a visa or passport for entry, you cannot get on the plane unless you have the required visa or passport. As far as people coming from Mexico, you are mixing legally and illegally entering the country. Yes, Mexico has a responsibility as a neighbor to help to stop it’s citizens from coming to our country illegally. For those coming legally, there is no problem. As someone else said here, Mexico is a piss poor neighbor who is violating international norms.


40 posted on 03/25/2013 2:47:00 PM PDT by falcon99
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To: Da Coyote

Most countries aren’t too concerned with people leaving.


41 posted on 03/25/2013 2:48:18 PM PDT by discostu (Not just another moon faced assassin of joy.)
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To: zeestephen

We don’t check people leaving America to Mexico, you can just walk across any of the border checkpoints, nobody cares. And back before the mandatory passport law we barely checked people coming back the other way, even with the passport law there’s still hardly a check, show your card/ book and go through.


42 posted on 03/25/2013 2:52:52 PM PDT by discostu (Not just another moon faced assassin of joy.)
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To: discostu
Thanks for the update.

Only crossed it once, in the late 1990’s.

Seems very odd to me.

Every wanted felon in the USA must be heading to Mexico, just like a John Wayne movie.

43 posted on 03/25/2013 4:35:52 PM PDT by zeestephen
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