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Beware the ‘Science’ of Same-Sex Marriage
National Review Online ^ | March 25, 2013 | Kathryn Jean Lopez

Posted on 03/25/2013 7:05:17 PM PDT by neverdem

Andy Ferguson is excellent, highlighting an amicus brief filed by Leon Kass and Harvey Mansfield:

Marriage is many things, all at once—much more than a simple mechanism for stability between husband and wife. The institution that social science has been studying so exhaustively for so many years is of a singular kind, with singular features. It is an ancient practice grooved by tradition and myth, shaped by social expectations as old as civilization. It arises from the natural sexual complementarity of woman and man, and formalizes the possibility of procreation and the renewal of life. 

There’s no way of knowing what combination of these singular features of marriage confers which of its demonstrated advantages, culturally and psychologically. We do know, however, that if the state suddenly creates the institution of gay marriage by fiat, the result will lack most of the features that make marriage unique—and uniquely beneficial. It will not be the same institution that has won the unanimous endorsement of social scientists. It will be a novel and revolutionary institution owing its existence to the devaluation of an old and settled one. Should we assume that the former will confer the same social and personal benefits as the latter, the two being different in such fundamental ways? The only honest answer—the only intellectually respectable answer—is, Who knows?

Which brings us back to the central point that Mansfield and Kass make in their compelling brief: We don’t know what the consequences of gay marriage will be. (We do suspect that such a thing will be less socially divisive if enacted by popular will than by the say-so of judges.) Social science is all but mute on the subject and will have nothing useful to tell us for decades. Lacking objective evidence, suspicious of a rising political hysteria, wary of hidden motives, and unmoved by social blackmail, we would do well to submit to humility, deference, discretion, modesty—all those virtues that conservatives are said to prize. If nothing else, these should be sufficient to stay the judges’ hand, and to let the people themselves decide, if a decision must be made, when or whether tradition is to be disowned.

I do worry some conservatives, with the best of intentions, are letting themselves be bullied into picking a side when, at the very least, caution is called for. 

That humility point, too, strikes me as important. The most compelling argument advocates of same-sex marriage have is what lousy stewards we’ve been of the institution. Expand it, it is argued, and it will be strengthened. But, as Andy points out, we are now talking about something fundamentally different when we are saying marriage is no longer between a man and a woman. We absolutely need to work to strengthen marriage. Changing its nature doesn’t seem the most obvious way to do so. 

The Heritage Foundation has been doing some excellent work making the case for the defense of marriage. Here Ryan Anderson speaks to conservatives in particular (based in part on the argument he advances with Robert P. George and Sherif Girgis in What Is Marriage?):

Marriage exists to bring a man and a woman together as husband and wife to be father and mother to any children their union produces. It is based on the anthropological truth that men and women are different and complementary, on the biological fact that reproduction depends on a man and a woman, and on the social reality that children need a mother and a father. Marriage has public purposes that transcend its private purposes.

Marriage predates government. It is the fundamental building block of all human civilization. All Americans, especially conservatives, should respect this crucial institution of civil society. This is why 41 states, with good reason, affirm that marriage is between a man and a woman.

Government recognizes marriage because it is an institution that benefits society in a way that no other relationship does. Marriage is society’s least restrictive means to ensure the well-being of children. State recognition of marriage protects children by encouraging men and women to commit to each other and take responsibility for their children. While respecting everyone’s liberty, government rightly recognizes, protects, and promotes marriage as the ideal institution for childbearing and childrearing.

Redefining marriage would further distance marriage from the needs of children. It would deny as a matter of policy the ideal that a child needs a mom and a dad. We know that children tend to do best when raised by a mother and a father. The confusion resulting from further delinking childbearing from marriage would force the state to intervene more often in family life and cause welfare programs to grow even more.

In recent years marriage has been weakened by a revisionist view that is more about adults’ desires than children’s needs. Redefining marriage represents the culmination of this revisionism: Emotional intensity would be the only thing left to set marriage apart from other kinds of relationships. Redefining marriage would put a new principle into the law—that marriage is whatever emotional bond the government says it is.

Redefining marriage to abandon the norm of male-female sexual complementarity would also make other essential characteristics—such as monogamy, exclusivity, and permanency—optional. But marriage can’t do the work that society needs it to do if these norms are further weakened. All Americans, especially conservatives who care about thriving civil society capable of limiting the state, should be alarmed.

Redefining marriage is a direct and demonstrated threat to religious freedom that marginalizes those who affirm marriage as the union of a man and a woman. We have already seen this in neighboring Canada and right here in places such as Massachusetts and Washington, D.C.

What should the Supreme Court do? The Supreme Court should not usurp democratic authority from citizens and their elected officials.



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1 posted on 03/25/2013 7:05:17 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

Excellent article.


2 posted on 03/25/2013 7:12:09 PM PDT by Clint N. Suhks (The amount of ammo you need is determined after the gunfight.)
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To: neverdem

They don’t mention Natural Law Theory which is the basis of our Legal system. Natural Rights come from Natural Law. Natural Rights/civil rights come from Natural Law Theory.

To recognize anal sex as a “Good”, as something “Natural”, is teaching lies and throwing out Natural Laws and God’s Laws and Reason.

No law can exist which is not “Reasoned” and be Constitutional in the US. That is why we have “Rule of Law” which MEANS there is a Higher Law (God’s) than arbitrary laws. Reason only exists in relation to Natural Law. Without the concepts of Natural Moral Law there is no Right and Wrong. It is unjust law and unconstitutional if there is no reason-—like with recognition of sodomizing others as a “Right” from God, which is absurd.

Also-—if biological parents aren’t required by law to raise their own biological children-—then we have a system which reduces children to commodities which is intrinsically evil by both Natural Law and God’s Law.

The family (genetics) is the foundation of a civil society-—destroy the family by making children into objects to be bred and sold is evil and Orwellian.

Marxism-—this “radical egalitarianism” which makes women and men interchangeable, is a provable, scientific Lie-—like all Marxist ideology. It is antithetical to a Constitution built on the “laws of nature and nature’s God”.


3 posted on 03/25/2013 7:24:13 PM PDT by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: neverdem

1) Marriage should be a decision for the States. I do agree that these decisions need to be determined by the State Legislature.

2) The Supreme Court should not have any decision in the decisions of the States.

3) Therefore, all decision of these States are to be held supreme and not challenged by the Federal Government.

Is there NOT any decision made by the States that can be overturned by the Supreme Court these days? These days of changing attitudes seems to say YES, they can do whatever they want and adjust the Constitution as necessary.

Let us pray...or heaven help us - whatever helps these days.


4 posted on 03/25/2013 7:26:43 PM PDT by Deagle (quo)
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To: savagesusie

Saving if you don’t mind. Excellent argument.


5 posted on 03/25/2013 7:29:04 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: Clint N. Suhks

Yes, good article...but how sad to have to state the obvious.
With all this evolving going on, and the polls showing movement toward public acceptance of gay marriage, I am convinced you can get folks to buy into just about anything.
Intellectual apathy I think.


6 posted on 03/25/2013 7:29:13 PM PDT by Ouchthatonehurt ("When you're going through hell, keep going." - Sir Winston Churchill)
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To: Deagle

But how would they sort out taxes and other issues if the homosexual marriage is recognized in one state and not another? I pray the court rules against homosexual marriage as a constitutional right, but I’m not optimistic.


7 posted on 03/25/2013 7:30:57 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: Ouchthatonehurt

They voted for the worst president in US history twice.

Nothing surprises me anymore.


8 posted on 03/25/2013 7:33:56 PM PDT by Clint N. Suhks (The amount of ammo you need is determined after the gunfight.)
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To: ilovesarah2012

Darn, what is the problem with State specific taxes, etc. They already do that! So what if they are not married in one state of another...if they wish to move to that state, that is their problem - kind of like weapons laws.


9 posted on 03/25/2013 7:37:40 PM PDT by Deagle (quo)
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To: Deagle

I wish they would all move to one state. That would be the perfect solution. Let them have California since they already do.


10 posted on 03/25/2013 7:39:53 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: ilovesarah2012

One. Get the Federal Government out of marriage!

Two. Get the Government out of marriage!

Three. Well, there would be nothing left if the first two happened.


11 posted on 03/25/2013 7:40:14 PM PDT by Deagle (quo)
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To: Deagle

Well, isn’t that the ideal? Why not let the folks decide?


12 posted on 03/25/2013 7:42:45 PM PDT by Deagle (quo)
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To: Deagle

We need to get the federal government out of a lot of things - like our bank accounts - but it isn’t going to happen.

I wonder if Las Vegas is taking odds on what the court will do?


13 posted on 03/25/2013 7:43:22 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: neverdem
In recent years marriage has been weakened by a revisionist view that is more about adults’ desires than children’s needs.

Redefining marriage is a direct and demonstrated threat to religious freedom that marginalizes those who affirm marriage as the union of a man and a woman. We have already seen this in neighboring Canada and right here in places such as Massachusetts and Washington, D.C.

The points I would like to emphasize.

14 posted on 03/25/2013 7:43:32 PM PDT by RatRipper (Self-centeredness, greed, envy, deceit and lawless corruption has killed this once great nation.)
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To: ilovesarah2012

There is NO reason to give married couples benefits nor is there any reason to give same gender benefits. That is just another Federal/Local tax benefit. Get rid of it!


15 posted on 03/25/2013 7:46:18 PM PDT by Deagle (quo)
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To: Deagle

Sounds good to me but we know it won’t happen.


16 posted on 03/25/2013 7:47:13 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: NewJerseyJoe

P4L


17 posted on 03/25/2013 7:47:13 PM PDT by NewJerseyJoe (Rat mantra: "Facts are meaningless! You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!")
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To: savagesusie

The Orwellian aspect is they can change the definition of anything as the will. A bike is a boat. I rock is a roll. If I’m holding up 4 fingers and I tell you it’s five you better see five.

And if I’m holding holding up four and you don’t see five, Big Brother Help you.


18 posted on 03/25/2013 8:02:19 PM PDT by DManA
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To: neverdem

Good post.

The problem with Same Sex Marriage is it is it furthers the deconstruction of the family pushed by radical leftists/feminists. I know most young “conservatives” are often too lazy to even research what the goals of the radical left and radical homosexuals have been for the past several decades but their number one target has been the “patriarchy” as they call it. Also the norming of homosexuality makes it easy to extend the damage done with the advent of no fault sex (ie birth control) coupled with the rise of massive government services. They no very well that the ultimate intention is to make sexual orientation increasingly ambiguous and gender increasingly androgynous which is why we’ve seen the rise of the gender neutral classroom and the re-defining of maleness in the traditional sense as a disease (ADHD). Once gay marriage is achieved it will increasingly become a requirement that homosexuality as well as other forms of sexual orientations not just be taught but encouraged. Kids will be told that they should explore and experiment to find out what their “true” orientation is and that their fulfillment of that “true” orientation is essential to their mental health. If you don’t believe me research some of the crap that is being implemented in Blue states and even within some red states. Anyone who thinks that gay marriage is just about equal rights is in denial just as one who believes that homosexuality is primarily inborn.
Thomas Sowell put it best “Gay Marriage is the product of Sloppy Thinking”.

Here is the article if you desire to read it.

http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/sowell032400.asp

The unfortunate thing is that this “sloppy thinking” has infected conservatism or rather mostly Progressive Republicanism masquerading as conservatism. The reason it has made it so far is through intimidation and silence of those who disagree but have been made to feel they have no right to express it.


19 posted on 03/25/2013 8:18:22 PM PDT by Maelstorm (This country wasn't founded with the battle cry "Give me liberty or give me a govt check!")
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To: ilovesarah2012

Yes, unfortunately that is true of almost everything that is wrong with the Government! We can bitch and complain but it does no good - the power of the Federal Government will and does overcome all of our complaints (especially when most of the population needs them to exist).

That alone should be enough to rouse a complaint but alas, it will be too late, such is history. Yes, we are doomed, we just don’t realize it yet.


20 posted on 03/25/2013 8:28:27 PM PDT by Deagle (quo)
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