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Jeb Bush: States Should Decide Gay Marriage
Newsmax ^ | Monday, 25 Mar 2013 06:59 PM | Todd Beamon and John Bachmann

Posted on 03/25/2013 8:11:16 PM PDT by Olog-hai

The day before the U.S. Supreme Court hears arguments on the constitutionality of gay marriage, former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush tells Newsmax TV in an exclusive interview that the issue should be decided by the states.

“I would prefer it to be a state-by-state issue,” Bush tells Newsmax. “That’s how we have dealt with a lot of issues in the United States.

“Our federal system is a spectacular way to deal with changing mores—and states can take advantage of opportunities much better than federal government,” Bush says. “This could be a place where the states play a role, as is the case right now.” …

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia
KEYWORDS: demagogicparty; gaymarriage; homosexualagenda; jebbush; lavendermafia; nambla; sodomy
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1 posted on 03/25/2013 8:11:16 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

That’s a dodge, Jeb. Where do YOU stand on it?


2 posted on 03/25/2013 8:13:52 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: Olog-hai

No....There is no such thing as gay marriage. Period


3 posted on 03/25/2013 8:15:37 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Olog-hai

It appears to me that this is a matter of belief, a matter that is clearly covered by the First Amendment.


4 posted on 03/25/2013 8:16:01 PM PDT by OldNavyVet
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To: Olog-hai; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; Gilbo_3; NFHale; Impy; AuntB; stephenjohnbanker; ...

Jeeze, just like Rand, JB refuses to say if or not he supports DOMA.... more bla-bla-bla dancing with his words.

This is what we got in GOP;

Do you support DOMA and if not 100% then which parts??


5 posted on 03/25/2013 8:16:52 PM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: Olog-hai

No kidding! This is just another of the States rights issues that will come up in the coming years. It is nice that one of our Republican leaders thinks that this is fact but it is not so among the rest of our so called Republican Representatives or Senators.

When these folks decide to transfer the power to the Federal Government they are deciding that they do not have the power (or want it) to change things (can you say that public opinion or the current way the wind blows - no beliefs) That means that what they believe has no bearing on what they will vote for but they will acquiescent to the Federal Government.

You not only need to realize that but vote accordingly.


6 posted on 03/25/2013 8:22:33 PM PDT by Deagle (quo)
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To: Viennacon

I think this is where Palin is on this issue as well....


7 posted on 03/25/2013 8:23:19 PM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: Olog-hai
Jeb Bush should be happy flitting between Kennybunkport and Texas and Fla.

I'd rather listen to W pontificating.

8 posted on 03/25/2013 8:24:39 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Olog-hai

OK Jeb should the federal government recognize those marriages in all the vast areas where they have to decide the validity of relationships, such as the military, or with huge numbers of federal employees, how about when a couple moves to DC, or applies to immigrate to America, how about testifying in federal cases?


9 posted on 03/25/2013 8:24:52 PM PDT by ansel12 (" I would not be in the United States Senate if it wasnt for Sarah Palin " Cruz said.)
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No law at any level should be established that forces the citizen to support and service homosexual behavior.

As far as I’m concerned, govt has no business in the affairs of marriage.


10 posted on 03/25/2013 8:25:27 PM PDT by Gene Eric (The Palin Doctrine.)
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To: sickoflibs

No state (or fed) should not be sticking its nose into a sacrament of the church! Marriage is a religious institution, NOT a civil institution! The attempt to redefine marriage is little more than a challenge to the power of the church to define its own sacraments!

No state should ever be in a position to usurp religious authority on the question of the church’s own sacraments! Jeb Bush is as wrong as the lefties on this!

What’s next? The state gets to redefine communion? Baptism??? The government has no business meddling in the sacraments of the church period!


11 posted on 03/25/2013 8:25:42 PM PDT by Stingray (Stand for the truth or you'll fall for anything.)
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To: Stingray
RE :”No state should ever be in a position to usurp religious authority on the question of the church’s own sacraments! Jeb Bush is as wrong as the lefties on this!”

Not sure what you are getting at here. How do these decisions directly affect the churches? And what JB said?

12 posted on 03/25/2013 8:29:27 PM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: Olog-hai

Bush I set about the destruction of the conservative movement, Bush II almost finished the task, Bush III will finish the task along with the likes of Ann “man neck” Coulture, Sean, and McCain.

The DHS has a standing army to deploy against Americans who resist the fascist takeover of America and the New World Order.

They will bleed us dry and leave us in ruin, and to finish my screed I leave you with this, Mooseshell Obama will run on the democrats ticket to replace her husband at the end of his term.


13 posted on 03/25/2013 8:40:00 PM PDT by stockpirate (Sen. John Kerry belonged to the terrorist group VVAW.)
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To: All

No more Bush’s.

I will not only not vote for Bush, I will vote for the Democrat to ensure we don’t get another Bush in the WH.


14 posted on 03/25/2013 8:40:58 PM PDT by rbmillerjr (We have No Opposition to Obama's Socialist Agenda)
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To: Olog-hai

Fence sitting is rough on the nuts.


15 posted on 03/25/2013 8:47:37 PM PDT by umgud (2A can't survive dem majorities)
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To: sickoflibs

It’s like living in Sodom. Lot wasn’t going to be allowed to stay in Sodom while the rest of the city burned around him.


16 posted on 03/25/2013 8:48:28 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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17 posted on 03/25/2013 8:49:03 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: Olog-hai
RE :”It’s like living in Sodom. Lot wasn’t going to be allowed to stay in Sodom while the rest of the city burned around him.”

I live in a deep blue state. When is the fire? New Housing developments are springing here everywhere.

Remember the 1980s aids days?

18 posted on 03/25/2013 8:54:53 PM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: Olog-hai

I do not give a f*** about anything you think, Jeb.


19 posted on 03/25/2013 8:58:02 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: Sacajaweau

My view on this has always been that marriage is between a man and a woman. Period. But if a gay couple can find a church that would marry them, GOOD for them. I support it.

I do NOT believe there should be a law nor should it be a right to marry. The government should stay out of it all together.

If the government gets involved and gay marriage becomes a right, churches can be sued for refusing to marry a gay couple just like they can now be fined for refusing to offer “health” insurance to kill unborn babies.

Another reason government should stay out of it (unless they rule that gay marriage is not legit)is because it could increase the number of gay immigrants in the USA who will marry their same-sex American partner for the free ticket to live in the United States.

If they find a church that will marry them that’s between them and their ‘god” whoever he or she might be.

It should NEVER be law or acknowledged legally.


20 posted on 03/25/2013 9:01:56 PM PDT by tsowellfan
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To: Olog-hai; All
“I would prefer it to be a state-by-state issue,” Bush tells Newsmax. “That’s how we have dealt with a lot of issues in the United States.

Yes, the Constitution, particularly the 10th Amendment, is optional. /s

21 posted on 03/25/2013 9:02:05 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: Olog-hai

Jeb needs to read more:

“Once again, Section 3 of DOMA provides: “In determining the meaning of any Act of Congress, or of any ruling, regulation, or interpretation of the various administrative bureaus and agencies of the United States, the word ‘marriage’ means only a legal union between one man and one woman as husband and wife, and the word ‘spouse’ refers only to a person of the opposite sex who is a husband or a wife.” The key point here is that this provision defines the word “marriage” only for purposes of federal law.”

http://www.volokh.com/2013/03/24/there-is-no-federalism-objection-to-section-three-of-the-defense-of-marriage-act/

Also: http://www.volokh.com/2013/03/25/more-on-doma-and-federalism/


22 posted on 03/25/2013 9:07:57 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (America is becoming California, and California is becoming Detroit. Detroit is already hell.)
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To: Olog-hai

Jebbie favors states rights when it’s convenient for a Bush; otherwise, he is nationalist and statist to the core. Much of our national woes are a result of failed Bush policies and appointees.


23 posted on 03/25/2013 9:18:25 PM PDT by Theodore R. ("Hey, the American people must all be crazy out there!")
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To: Olog-hai

Does anyone care what Jeb Bush thinks?


24 posted on 03/25/2013 9:31:38 PM PDT by gleneagle
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To: Olog-hai

Sorry Jeb, but God ruled on that issue a very long time ago.


25 posted on 03/25/2013 9:55:32 PM PDT by Gator113 ( ~just keep livin~)
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To: Olog-hai

The “I am personally against it, but...” crap didn’t help unborn babies at all.


26 posted on 03/25/2013 10:05:16 PM PDT by Slyfox (The Key to Marxism is Medicine ~ Vladimir Lenin)
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To: Olog-hai

Stay out da bushes.
STFU Jeb.


27 posted on 03/25/2013 10:05:32 PM PDT by FreedomGuru (Without Life nothing else matters.)
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To: Slyfox

The “personally against it” line automatically means liberal.


28 posted on 03/25/2013 10:12:50 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: gleneagle

He’s not revealing his thoughts here. Those have to be worse than his words.


29 posted on 03/25/2013 10:13:42 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai
Yeah, that's true. I think what Jeb is really saying is, "I know all this gay stuff is on the front burner and I got to appear to be deciding something, so let's get the states to decide."

It sounds like Karl Rove has been on his speed dial again.

30 posted on 03/25/2013 10:25:45 PM PDT by Slyfox (The Key to Marxism is Medicine ~ Vladimir Lenin)
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To: Olog-hai

This position is surrender. Either marriage is defended on every level, or the republic is finished.


31 posted on 03/25/2013 10:30:37 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Legislate that down is up if you will, but take my advice, don't jump off cliffs anyway.)
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To: Olog-hai

“. . . Virtue, morality, and religion. This is the armor, my friend, and this alone that renders us invincible. These are the tactics we should study. If we lose these, we are conquered, fallen indeed . . . so long as our manners and principles remain sound, there is no danger.” — Patrick Henry


32 posted on 03/25/2013 10:35:09 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Legislate that down is up if you will, but take my advice, don't jump off cliffs anyway.)
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To: Olog-hai

The problem with those of the Libertarian bent, folks who have been heavily influenced by Ron Paul and others, who are trying to surrender the fight to defend marriage and the natural family for us, is that they utterly fail to recognize a number of critically important things:

1) The fundamental nature of the marriage bond and its character as the basis for all human civilization, governance and economy.

2) The moral depravity that the homosexual idea represents.

3) The fact that if you give government over to moral depravity you will have destroyed the possibility of republican, constitutional self-government.

“Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim tribute to patriotism who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness — these firmest props of the duties of men and citizens. . . . reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principles.”— George Washington

“No government can continue good but under the control of the people; and . . . . their minds are to be informed by education what is right and what wrong; to be encouraged in habits of virtue and to be deterred from those of vice . . . . These are the inculcations necessary to render the people a sure basis for the structure and order of government.” — Thomas Jefferson

“The aim of every political Constitution, is or ought to be first to obtain for rulers men who possess most wisdom to discern, and most virtue to pursue, the common good of society; and in the next place, to take the most effectual precautions for keeping them virtuous whilst they continue to hold their public trust.” — James Madison

“We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry would break the strongest cords of our constitution as a whale goes through a net.” — John Adams


33 posted on 03/25/2013 10:36:34 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Legislate that down is up if you will, but take my advice, don't jump off cliffs anyway.)
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To: Olog-hai

Marriage is the familial, societal, governmental, and economic building block of our civilization, our country, and our communities. It is a God-ordained, God-given institution, the first and most important one. It is fundamental to the laws of nature and of nature’s God, and absolutely necessary to the fulfillment of the ultimate stated purpose of the U.S. Constitution, which is “to secure the Blessings of Liberty to our Posterity.” It must be fiercely defended on every front from any and all who would pervert it or subvert it, or America cannot possibly survive. The attack on the natural family represents an existential threat.


34 posted on 03/25/2013 10:37:35 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Legislate that down is up if you will, but take my advice, don't jump off cliffs anyway.)
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To: sickoflibs; fieldmarshaldj; BillyBoy; AuH2ORepublican

I’ve had it with that states should decide crap. It’s a wuss position.

Half the states are gonna have it soon then, Jeb. Cool with with you?


35 posted on 03/25/2013 11:50:33 PM PDT by Impy (All in favor of Harry Reid meeting Mr. Mayhem?)
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To: Olog-hai

Sounds like mike berry

Then what about reciprocation and businesses and so forth

A briar patch or tar pit


36 posted on 03/25/2013 11:59:03 PM PDT by wardaddy (wanna know how my kin felt during Reconstrucbtion in Mississippi, you fixin to find out firsthand)
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To: Stingray
Im confused..If I remember correctly, I purchased a “Marriage License” and was “Married” in the courthouse, by a judge?
37 posted on 03/26/2013 12:23:21 AM PDT by TheGunny
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To: Olog-hai

Jeb trying to run to the right of Rand Paul, who is increasingly shifting Left on immigration and “gay marriage”?


38 posted on 03/26/2013 2:15:06 AM PDT by montag813
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To: EternalVigilance
Agree. I forget which Scotus judge determined that Christian teachings are anathema to the law, that Christian morality as the basis of law making is unconstitutional.

Our Framing generation and earlier philosophers distinguished between liberty and license, between ordered liberty in a civil society and abuse of liberty. The former promotes social cohesiveness essential to our happiness, while licentiousness divides our community into squabbling factions that may eventually disintegrate our (feeble) republic.

BTW, if Senators were appointed by the States, do you think Congress would be pushing the States around like this, over gay marriage and other issues like Obamacare?

39 posted on 03/26/2013 3:32:25 AM PDT by Jacquerie ("How few were left who had seen the republic!" - Tacitus, The Annals)
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To: Jacquerie
Oops. Make that do you think Scotus would be pushing . . .
40 posted on 03/26/2013 3:36:09 AM PDT by Jacquerie ("How few were left who had seen the republic!" - Tacitus, The Annals)
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To: Olog-hai

Go away Jeb Bush. Marry your dog.


41 posted on 03/26/2013 4:09:14 AM PDT by Houghton M.
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To: Olog-hai

THoughts? Jeb Bush?


42 posted on 03/26/2013 4:10:31 AM PDT by Houghton M.
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To: Jacquerie

Absolutely not. That’s why I’ve always advocated for the repeal of the Seventeenth Amendment.


43 posted on 03/26/2013 4:11:16 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Legislate that down is up if you will, but take my advice, don't jump off cliffs anyway.)
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To: Olog-hai

So, Jeb: Adam and Steve get “married” in a blue state and move to a red state. Does the red state have to recognize their wedded bliss?


44 posted on 03/26/2013 4:18:12 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (Fighting Obama without Boehner & McConnell is like going deer hunting without your accordion)
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To: Impy; fieldmarshaldj; BillyBoy; AuH2ORepublican
RE :”I’ve had it with that states should decide crap. It’s a wuss position.
Half the states are gonna have it soon then, Jeb. Cool with with you?”

I think your point is that Jeb should take a moral position on this. But we can guss what that really is, which is why he wont say.

I don't want the Federal government (including the courts) to tell the states what to do in this. But likewise I don't want the states telling the Federal government what they must do either. overturning DOMA.

Are Jeb Bush and Rand for or against DOMA? Its that simple but they wont answer.

45 posted on 03/26/2013 4:44:36 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: EternalVigilance
I have C-Span on in the background. Homo-marriage is the morning topic. The people of CA voted twice, once via statute and once via Constitutional Amendment, to recognize what civilization has long known. If Senators were State appointed I cannot imagine Anti-Tenth Amendment justices making it through the Senate Judiciary Committee, let alone the full Senate.

The 17th not only removed State agency from Congress, in its aftermath, it threatens the foundation of our republics: self government itself.

46 posted on 03/26/2013 4:53:57 AM PDT by Jacquerie ("How few were left who had seen the republic!" - Tacitus, The Annals)
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To: EternalVigilance

I agree but the “natural family” has been disappearing from America for some time now. Divorce, out of wedlock births, adultery, not sure who the daddy is, three kids by three different fathers. A family made up of married parents who have not been married to anyone else and have children together and are still married is becoming rare.


47 posted on 03/26/2013 4:54:40 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: Impy; fieldmarshaldj; BillyBoy; AuH2ORepublican
Remember, more and more of the GWB administration are coming out for gay marriage.

One that really annoys me is GWB admin's spokes wommin Nicolle Wallace. She is on MSNBC regularly and the Sunday shows laughing saying how those like us who believe in marriage are dying off and dont matter anymore. This is who McCain hired to 'help' Palin in 2008 too.

She is this smiley happy faced FAT troll who the networks give a break to by never letting the camera go below her neckline, usually she's behind a BIG table

Here's a hard to find picture of her below the neck:


48 posted on 03/26/2013 5:23:38 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: Olog-hai

I rarely cuss but if I were judge and jury I’d require Jeb Bush to STFU and observe two weeks of total silence in the second half of March for the rest of his wretched life.


49 posted on 03/26/2013 7:18:15 AM PDT by HomeAtLast ( You're either with the Tea Party, or you're with the EBT Party.)
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To: Houghton M.

Aren’t those two mutually exclusive . . . ?


50 posted on 03/26/2013 7:38:25 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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