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Rand Paul: American's wont pick crops for $8/hour when they can sit at home and get welfare
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Posted on 03/25/2013 8:13:54 PM PDT by JohnPDuncan

Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., who has emerged as the key advocate for secure borders, keeping to the rules and an organized handling of the millions of illegal aliens now inside the United States says there is a clear goal that Americans should have for the newcomers: Make them taxpayers.

“What I’m saying is let’s get them work visas, normalize them, tax them, make them taxpayers,” the senator said in an exclusive interview with WND reporter Taylor Rose.

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“You can’t have open borders and be a welfare state,” he warned. The solution is a secure border – and a process where someone on a work visa doesn’t get welfare, or someone with a green card doesn’t get welfare.

Paul said there are glitches, too, in America’s social services. There shouldn’t be 60,000 new people on the roles of the disabled every month, he said. In other words, America’s safety net sometimes is just too generous.

The reasons some Americans won’t work for the $8 per hour for an agricultural field worker, for example, is that they would rather do nothing and collect higher government benefits, he said.

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1 posted on 03/25/2013 8:13:54 PM PDT by JohnPDuncan
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To: JohnPDuncan

I like this guy more and more every day.


2 posted on 03/25/2013 8:16:05 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: Lurker

check out the videos at the link for his comments about welfare.. it’s a bit further down. They’ve split them all up on the page.


3 posted on 03/25/2013 8:17:21 PM PDT by JohnPDuncan
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To: JohnPDuncan

All they have to do for that government largess is vote Democrat. A lesson the legalized $8/hr legalized immigrants will quickly learn. Then who will do the work?


4 posted on 03/25/2013 8:17:44 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (And winter is coming.)
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To: Lurker

Rand is dead right as usual.


5 posted on 03/25/2013 8:18:19 PM PDT by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave ofo attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: JohnPDuncan

Once they are “normalized”, they aren’t going to work for $8 bucks an hour anymore. Once they are on the freeway to “citizenship”, the next stop is the union thug’s office.


6 posted on 03/25/2013 8:18:22 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Whatever happened to the land of the free, home of the brave?)
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To: Mike Darancette

The $4 an hour illegal immigrants, of course.


7 posted on 03/25/2013 8:18:59 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: JohnPDuncan

Eliminate welfare!!

Make your own way in this world or lie down and die!


8 posted on 03/25/2013 8:19:02 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Or SSI disability.


9 posted on 03/25/2013 8:19:19 PM PDT by DManA
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Aaah but the Unions are worried because there’s only so many jobs they can dole out and they usually go to friends and family don’t they? Nice little racket they run. That’s why proper immigration reform won’t happen or some stupid version of it will: The unions (Dem paymasters) want to protect their racket.


10 posted on 03/25/2013 8:19:50 PM PDT by JohnPDuncan
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To: JohnPDuncan

Living in America today is all about trying to mitigate the damage that the government is doing to it and its productive citizens on a daily basis.


11 posted on 03/25/2013 8:20:36 PM PDT by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: dalereed

Exactly. You can have open borders or you can have a welfare state but you cannot have both.


12 posted on 03/25/2013 8:20:42 PM PDT by DManA
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To: JohnPDuncan; BillyBoy; Impy; AuntB

This sounds great except his admitted he is for giving legalized illegals the vote.

He sure didn’t say this in front of that Hispanic group where he said he never met an immigrant who wanted a handout, and illegals are natural conservatives.

Come on Rand, I don’t care if you lie to them but not to us.


13 posted on 03/25/2013 8:21:40 PM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: JohnPDuncan

The title says it all. No need to read the whole thing! Lol!


14 posted on 03/25/2013 8:21:41 PM PDT by surroundedbyblue (Why am I both pro-life & pro-gun? Because both positions defend the innocent and protect the weak.)
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To: JohnPDuncan

I stand w Rand. Nail on rhe head again.


15 posted on 03/25/2013 8:21:48 PM PDT by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave ofo attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: JohnPDuncan

***Americans won’t work for the $8 per hour***

EIGHT DOLLARS AN HOUR! I remember working picking beans in the hot hot summer for one cent a pound! On a good day after a rain I could make $5.00 a day! When the weather was dry we got about $2.80 a day even though we picked the same amount of beans.

But then, there was NO WELFARE back then.


16 posted on 03/25/2013 8:25:34 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (CLICK my name. See the murals before they are painted over! POTEET THEATER in OKC!)
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To: JohnPDuncan

Until he drops the other shoe regarding granting amnesty to illegal aliens to do the job.


17 posted on 03/25/2013 8:28:01 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: sickoflibs
—>>He sure didn’t say this in front of that Hispanic group where he said he never met an immigrant who wanted a handout, and illegals are natural conservatives.

That's right. And once they become legalized as Rush Limbaugh said, they will vote for the democrats.

18 posted on 03/25/2013 8:28:08 PM PDT by Christie at the beach
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To: JohnPDuncan

Rand is wrong on a “secure” border.

The US/Mexico Border is 2,000 miles long with few intersecting roads and mostly desert.

Make the USA as hostile as possible by enforcing existing Border Laws, and fining US employers $1,000 per day per illegal alien hired.

The Arpaio Desert Prison Model would be perfect to hold all captured border law breakers for the Federally required 6 months.

BTW, Sheriff Joe Arpaio claims that he feeds his prisoners for 22 cents a day.


19 posted on 03/25/2013 8:28:36 PM PDT by Graewoulf (Traitor John Roberts' Commune-Style Obama'care' violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: JohnPDuncan

I know people that use their Disability money to supplement their $10/hr, full time cash job.


20 posted on 03/25/2013 8:30:57 PM PDT by digger48
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To: sickoflibs

He sure didn’t say this in front of that Hispanic group where he said he never met an immigrant who wanted a handout, and illegals are natural conservatives.


I agree. Rand is on probation with me. A lot of what he says sounds good but this is just a daydream with the kenyan in the WH. None of it will happen. Limit welfare to green card holders? No chance. Rand knows that.

I find it hard to read what is real with him and what is PR strutting.


21 posted on 03/25/2013 8:33:53 PM PDT by lodi90
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To: Lurker

>> I like this guy more and more every day.

2016 is his to lose as far as I concerned — his political reach is significant.


22 posted on 03/25/2013 8:34:05 PM PDT by Gene Eric (The Palin Doctrine.)
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To: Christie at the beach; Liz; AuntB; Tennessee Nana; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; Gilbo_3; NFHale; ...
RE “—>>He sure didn’t say this in front of that Hispanic group where he said he never met an immigrant who wanted a handout, and illegals are natural conservatives.
That's right. And once they become legalized as Rush Limbaugh said, they will vote for the democrats. “

I disagree with Rush lots but I heard him say this on HIS weekend review and I agreed 100%’

Rush said exactly what I been posting for months, put that they (legalized illegals) cant vote in the reform bill and not one Dem will vote for it.

I post that over and over. Dems just want those voters.

23 posted on 03/25/2013 8:37:07 PM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: Lurker

Has Paul stopped to consider that he’s signing on for a process to mint millions of future Democrat voters, both through legalizing illegal aliens and expanding legal immigration? They’ll vote to keep in place generous welfare policies that Paul claims to oppose.

Do libertarians ever stop to think about this?


24 posted on 03/25/2013 8:42:23 PM PDT by Aetius
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To: sickoflibs

He told the Hispanics that if they want to come and work in America then he is for finding a place for them.

As far as citizenship goes they get the same pathway as if they were in Mexico City. That’s if they want to apply for it.

As for voting, they wouldn’t get the citizenship for maybe 10-15 years or longer .I bet there will be a huge backup and this ONLY goes forward once they know the border is secure and have voted on it.

After 15 years or whatever they become citizens and can vote... by then you’d hope they would learn about the US constitution, free markets and that the GOP is the party of jobs and prosperity.


25 posted on 03/25/2013 8:42:39 PM PDT by JohnPDuncan
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To: JohnPDuncan

Something like less than 5% of illegal aliens work in ag jobs. We went through this when McLame claimed he had lettuce picking jobs that no one would take.


26 posted on 03/25/2013 8:43:03 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: Aetius

Not all of them would apply for citizenship and they get the same pathway as if they appled from Mexico City.

After 15 years you would hope they would learn bout the constitution and that the GOP is the party of jobs and prosperity.

It’s not a given they’re all going to vote Democrats. We’d have to educate them.


27 posted on 03/25/2013 8:44:36 PM PDT by JohnPDuncan
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To: lodi90
RE :”I agree. Rand is on probation with me. A lot of what he says sounds good but this is just a daydream with the kenyan in the WH. None of it will happen. Limit welfare to green card holders? No chance. Rand knows that.
I find it hard to read what is real with him and what is PR strutting.”

They all are on probation with me (although Cruz knows how to make me smile) and between Paul, Rub, Jeb Bush and Ryan we got endless double-talk.

Ryan sweets talks that Hispanic group with reach out crap (which didn't bother me) but then he comes out with this fantasy budget after admitting to Wallace on FNS that he is for path to citizenship.

Notice his budget was AFTER his reach out speech.
Like illegals are going to support his budget.

28 posted on 03/25/2013 8:44:45 PM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: TigersEye

Rand says a million a year come and pick crops but only 65,000 get visas’. He wants them all to get visas.


29 posted on 03/25/2013 8:45:37 PM PDT by JohnPDuncan
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To: JohnPDuncan
RE :”After 15 years or whatever they become citizens and can vote... by then you’d hope they would learn about the US constitution, free markets and that the GOP is the party of jobs and prosperity”

Like the Hispanics who got amnesty in the 1980s are doing now?

30 posted on 03/25/2013 8:46:15 PM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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American's wont pick crops for $8/hour when they can sit at home and get welfare

So make work a requirement for welfare benefits. (of course that would require TEApublican majorities in both houses and a Chief Executive.

31 posted on 03/25/2013 8:46:51 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Hey RATS! Control your murdering freaks.)
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To: JohnPDuncan

They are going to be paying payroll tax. At the end of the year, any witholds as to income tax are going to be given back, and I believe they would qualify for Earned Income Credit and other credits. Social Security they may pay, but in the end, they won’t be paying income tax.


32 posted on 03/25/2013 8:47:05 PM PDT by machogirl (First they came for my tagline)
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Then who will do the work?

The new arriving millions of illegal aliens who will surely follow any amnesty for the present illegals.

33 posted on 03/25/2013 8:48:00 PM PDT by Will88
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To: sickoflibs

He’s for exact same path as if they applied from Mexico City.

Does it matter if they apply from Mexico City or from El Paso, Texas? They will be on the same path and in that queue. There is no special path for illegals under his plan. He treats them all as “immigrants”.


34 posted on 03/25/2013 8:48:14 PM PDT by JohnPDuncan
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To: JohnPDuncan

well hell,why not just give the welfare payments to the illegal aliens instead?Oh!i forgot,they’re getting them already.


35 posted on 03/25/2013 8:48:17 PM PDT by puppypusher (The World is going to the dogs.)
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To: puppypusher

He doesn’t want them getting welfare.


36 posted on 03/25/2013 8:50:37 PM PDT by JohnPDuncan
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RE :”As far as citizenship goes they get the same pathway as if they were in Mexico City. That’s if they want to apply for it.”

Except the suckers who follow the rules must wait in Mexico City for it, but those too good for the rules get to work and live here instead, which means the rule breakers are well rewarded for doing it.

So if the Senate comes up with a bill that gives the illegal rule breakers Obama-care, which that poor rule-following sap waiting in Mexico city will obviously not get, will Rand oppose it?

37 posted on 03/25/2013 8:52:14 PM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: JohnPDuncan

All this talk about schemes where illegal entrants would not become citizens, but as long as their anchor baby children become citizens then the kid and parents are eligible for “entitlements” and the whole family will be just as anchored here as in the past.


38 posted on 03/25/2013 8:52:18 PM PDT by Will88
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To: JohnPDuncan

Where did he get those figures?


39 posted on 03/25/2013 8:53:10 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: sickoflibs

I suspect he will oppose anything that gives them benefits, Obamacare, etc. There is no bill yet.


40 posted on 03/25/2013 8:55:15 PM PDT by JohnPDuncan
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That’s true, it won’t be all; just between 60 and 75%.

There is very little chance we’d ever do better than that so long as mass immigration continues. The only way we’ll ever avoid a total rout with them is if mass immigration comes to an end (legal and illegal) and assimilation has time to work.


41 posted on 03/25/2013 8:57:52 PM PDT by Aetius
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To: sickoflibs

The point is the illegals are here anyway. It makes no sense to try and round them up and send them to Mexico City and tell them to then apply for citenzship. It’s just not possible. So offer them a route: apply as you would from Mexico City and get in line. We’ll deal with you when we get to you in about 10-15 years. In the mean time learn about the constitution, free markets and logon to freerepublic where you will get educated rather than spat at and mistreated. The GOP welcomes you if you want to work. That’s what the message should be and that’s the only way we’ll ever win again.


42 posted on 03/25/2013 8:58:01 PM PDT by JohnPDuncan
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RE :”Does it matter if they apply from Mexico City or from El Paso, Texas?”

YES, you want to be a US citizen and vote like me?
then you go back outside the US and apply just like the others and get in fing line and follow the rules like everyone else does.

What is US citizenship and the vote like handing out free samples of gum to you?

43 posted on 03/25/2013 8:59:31 PM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: Aetius

Why dont you go back and read what the man said. Feel free to move your lips if you need to....


44 posted on 03/25/2013 9:02:32 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: Aetius

If the border is secure and new technology like DRONES are used (yes Rand doesn’t mind using drones for proper things like surveillance just not killing them!) then hopefully the tide can be stemmed of illegal crossings. Legal immigration and giving more visas out can only happen if there’s jobs for them and businesses need the immigrant. If the immigrant is working and not claiming welfare then he has a good work ethic and I would argue when/if he becomes a citizen is more likely to be a GOP voter after he sees how the Democrat policies work out.


45 posted on 03/25/2013 9:02:43 PM PDT by JohnPDuncan
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To: sickoflibs

They’re all here anyway, how are you going to round up 11 million people and send them back to Mexico City and tell them to apply legally in order to back in? It’s just not possible.


46 posted on 03/25/2013 9:03:51 PM PDT by JohnPDuncan
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RE :”The point is the illegals are here anyway. It makes no sense to try and round them up and send them to Mexico City and tell them to then apply for citenzship.”

Now you are talking like paul.

Who TF here is telling illegals to apply for citizenship?
Who is rounding them up to force them to be citizens?

You know that is nonsense,
Rand is offering them US citizenship after their breaking in and living here illegally. that is wrong.

If they want to vote then they need to get on line and that line forms OUTSIDE this country.

This is really your argument?

47 posted on 03/25/2013 9:06:41 PM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: machogirl
They are going to be paying payroll tax. At the end of the year, any witholds as to income tax are going to be given back...

I have always thought that the quickest way to reduce illegal immigration is just to set the tax rates higher for non-citizen workers. So the payroll tax, for example, could be 20% instead of 12.4%. And to keep the liberals happy the burden could be on the employer. Also no EIC for non-citizens.

What employer would take the risk of hiring an illegal immigrant if it meant the IRS could show up a couple of years later and recover the taxes you failed to pay - plus penalties, interest, etc.? Nobody, since we all know the government would be out looking for any illegal immigrant they could find on a business' payroll since they would be a goldmine of taxes and penalties.

Also, any illegal immigrant who didn't pay the tax would be a tax evader, and there is no way the federal government is going to look the other way at that. They need the money too much.

Illegal immigrants already pay tens of thousands of dollars to smugglers. Why not capture that money too - charge fees for expedited visas.

48 posted on 03/25/2013 9:07:42 PM PDT by freeandfreezing
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RE :”They’re all here anyway, how are you going to round up 11 million people and send them back to Mexico City and tell them to apply legally in order to back in? It’s just not possible”

Your straw-man that anyone wants to round up illegals to force them to become citizens to vote (Dem) here is just dishonest.

But in a way you are useful.

49 posted on 03/25/2013 9:08:44 PM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: Lurker

Did you not read or listen to his recent speech about immigration? It was full of immigrant romanticism and nauseating platitudes. It was the type of empty garbage I’d expect to hear from a Bush, but not an alleged original like Paul.

I liked the Paul that suggested pairing legalization of illegals with a moratorium on legal immigration. But I guess he’s abandoned that sensible idea.

Yes, I know Paul has been careful about endorsing a path to citizenship, but that will be the inevitable result for those given legal status. Why would Democrats settle for anything less?

And there is no escaping the fact that support for unending mass immigration - even if it’s all legal - is incompatible with the type of small government ideals Paul champions.


50 posted on 03/25/2013 9:09:35 PM PDT by Aetius
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