Skip to comments.Rand Paul: American's wont pick crops for $8/hour when they can sit at home and get welfare
Posted on 03/25/2013 8:13:54 PM PDT by JohnPDuncan
Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., who has emerged as the key advocate for secure borders, keeping to the rules and an organized handling of the millions of illegal aliens now inside the United States says there is a clear goal that Americans should have for the newcomers: Make them taxpayers.
What Im saying is lets get them work visas, normalize them, tax them, make them taxpayers, the senator said in an exclusive interview with WND reporter Taylor Rose.
You cant have open borders and be a welfare state, he warned. The solution is a secure border and a process where someone on a work visa doesnt get welfare, or someone with a green card doesnt get welfare.
Paul said there are glitches, too, in Americas social services. There shouldnt be 60,000 new people on the roles of the disabled every month, he said. In other words, Americas safety net sometimes is just too generous.
The reasons some Americans wont work for the $8 per hour for an agricultural field worker, for example, is that they would rather do nothing and collect higher government benefits, he said.
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I like this guy more and more every day.
check out the videos at the link for his comments about welfare.. it’s a bit further down. They’ve split them all up on the page.
All they have to do for that government largess is vote Democrat. A lesson the legalized $8/hr legalized immigrants will quickly learn. Then who will do the work?
Rand is dead right as usual.
Once they are “normalized”, they aren’t going to work for $8 bucks an hour anymore. Once they are on the freeway to “citizenship”, the next stop is the union thug’s office.
The $4 an hour illegal immigrants, of course.
Make your own way in this world or lie down and die!
Or SSI disability.
Aaah but the Unions are worried because there’s only so many jobs they can dole out and they usually go to friends and family don’t they? Nice little racket they run. That’s why proper immigration reform won’t happen or some stupid version of it will: The unions (Dem paymasters) want to protect their racket.
Living in America today is all about trying to mitigate the damage that the government is doing to it and its productive citizens on a daily basis.
Exactly. You can have open borders or you can have a welfare state but you cannot have both.
This sounds great except his admitted he is for giving legalized illegals the vote.
He sure didn’t say this in front of that Hispanic group where he said he never met an immigrant who wanted a handout, and illegals are natural conservatives.
Come on Rand, I don’t care if you lie to them but not to us.
The title says it all. No need to read the whole thing! Lol!
I stand w Rand. Nail on rhe head again.
***Americans wont work for the $8 per hour***
EIGHT DOLLARS AN HOUR! I remember working picking beans in the hot hot summer for one cent a pound! On a good day after a rain I could make $5.00 a day! When the weather was dry we got about $2.80 a day even though we picked the same amount of beans.
But then, there was NO WELFARE back then.
Until he drops the other shoe regarding granting amnesty to illegal aliens to do the job.
That's right. And once they become legalized as Rush Limbaugh said, they will vote for the democrats.
Rand is wrong on a “secure” border.
The US/Mexico Border is 2,000 miles long with few intersecting roads and mostly desert.
Make the USA as hostile as possible by enforcing existing Border Laws, and fining US employers $1,000 per day per illegal alien hired.
The Arpaio Desert Prison Model would be perfect to hold all captured border law breakers for the Federally required 6 months.
BTW, Sheriff Joe Arpaio claims that he feeds his prisoners for 22 cents a day.
I know people that use their Disability money to supplement their $10/hr, full time cash job.
He sure didnt say this in front of that Hispanic group where he said he never met an immigrant who wanted a handout, and illegals are natural conservatives.
I agree. Rand is on probation with me. A lot of what he says sounds good but this is just a daydream with the kenyan in the WH. None of it will happen. Limit welfare to green card holders? No chance. Rand knows that.
I find it hard to read what is real with him and what is PR strutting.
>> I like this guy more and more every day.
2016 is his to lose as far as I concerned — his political reach is significant.
I disagree with Rush lots but I heard him say this on HIS weekend review and I agreed 100%’
Rush said exactly what I been posting for months, put that they (legalized illegals) cant vote in the reform bill and not one Dem will vote for it.
I post that over and over. Dems just want those voters.
Has Paul stopped to consider that he’s signing on for a process to mint millions of future Democrat voters, both through legalizing illegal aliens and expanding legal immigration? They’ll vote to keep in place generous welfare policies that Paul claims to oppose.
Do libertarians ever stop to think about this?
He told the Hispanics that if they want to come and work in America then he is for finding a place for them.
As far as citizenship goes they get the same pathway as if they were in Mexico City. That’s if they want to apply for it.
As for voting, they wouldn’t get the citizenship for maybe 10-15 years or longer .I bet there will be a huge backup and this ONLY goes forward once they know the border is secure and have voted on it.
After 15 years or whatever they become citizens and can vote... by then you’d hope they would learn about the US constitution, free markets and that the GOP is the party of jobs and prosperity.
Something like less than 5% of illegal aliens work in ag jobs. We went through this when McLame claimed he had lettuce picking jobs that no one would take.
Not all of them would apply for citizenship and they get the same pathway as if they appled from Mexico City.
After 15 years you would hope they would learn bout the constitution and that the GOP is the party of jobs and prosperity.
It’s not a given they’re all going to vote Democrats. We’d have to educate them.
They all are on probation with me (although Cruz knows how to make me smile) and between Paul, Rub, Jeb Bush and Ryan we got endless double-talk.
Ryan sweets talks that Hispanic group with reach out crap (which didn't bother me) but then he comes out with this fantasy budget after admitting to Wallace on FNS that he is for path to citizenship.
Notice his budget was AFTER his reach out speech.
Like illegals are going to support his budget.
Rand says a million a year come and pick crops but only 65,000 get visas’. He wants them all to get visas.
Like the Hispanics who got amnesty in the 1980s are doing now?
So make work a requirement for welfare benefits. (of course that would require TEApublican majorities in both houses and a Chief Executive.
They are going to be paying payroll tax. At the end of the year, any witholds as to income tax are going to be given back, and I believe they would qualify for Earned Income Credit and other credits. Social Security they may pay, but in the end, they won’t be paying income tax.
The new arriving millions of illegal aliens who will surely follow any amnesty for the present illegals.
He’s for exact same path as if they applied from Mexico City.
Does it matter if they apply from Mexico City or from El Paso, Texas? They will be on the same path and in that queue. There is no special path for illegals under his plan. He treats them all as “immigrants”.
well hell,why not just give the welfare payments to the illegal aliens instead?Oh!i forgot,they’re getting them already.
He doesn’t want them getting welfare.
Except the suckers who follow the rules must wait in Mexico City for it, but those too good for the rules get to work and live here instead, which means the rule breakers are well rewarded for doing it.
So if the Senate comes up with a bill that gives the illegal rule breakers Obama-care, which that poor rule-following sap waiting in Mexico city will obviously not get, will Rand oppose it?
All this talk about schemes where illegal entrants would not become citizens, but as long as their anchor baby children become citizens then the kid and parents are eligible for “entitlements” and the whole family will be just as anchored here as in the past.
Where did he get those figures?
I suspect he will oppose anything that gives them benefits, Obamacare, etc. There is no bill yet.
That’s true, it won’t be all; just between 60 and 75%.
There is very little chance we’d ever do better than that so long as mass immigration continues. The only way we’ll ever avoid a total rout with them is if mass immigration comes to an end (legal and illegal) and assimilation has time to work.
The point is the illegals are here anyway. It makes no sense to try and round them up and send them to Mexico City and tell them to then apply for citenzship. It’s just not possible. So offer them a route: apply as you would from Mexico City and get in line. We’ll deal with you when we get to you in about 10-15 years. In the mean time learn about the constitution, free markets and logon to freerepublic where you will get educated rather than spat at and mistreated. The GOP welcomes you if you want to work. That’s what the message should be and that’s the only way we’ll ever win again.
YES, you want to be a US citizen and vote like me?
then you go back outside the US and apply just like the others and get in fing line and follow the rules like everyone else does.
What is US citizenship and the vote like handing out free samples of gum to you?
Why dont you go back and read what the man said. Feel free to move your lips if you need to....
If the border is secure and new technology like DRONES are used (yes Rand doesn’t mind using drones for proper things like surveillance just not killing them!) then hopefully the tide can be stemmed of illegal crossings. Legal immigration and giving more visas out can only happen if there’s jobs for them and businesses need the immigrant. If the immigrant is working and not claiming welfare then he has a good work ethic and I would argue when/if he becomes a citizen is more likely to be a GOP voter after he sees how the Democrat policies work out.
They’re all here anyway, how are you going to round up 11 million people and send them back to Mexico City and tell them to apply legally in order to back in? It’s just not possible.
Now you are talking like paul.
Who TF here is telling illegals to apply for citizenship?
Who is rounding them up to force them to be citizens?
You know that is nonsense,
Rand is offering them US citizenship after their breaking in and living here illegally. that is wrong.
If they want to vote then they need to get on line and that line forms OUTSIDE this country.
This is really your argument?
I have always thought that the quickest way to reduce illegal immigration is just to set the tax rates higher for non-citizen workers. So the payroll tax, for example, could be 20% instead of 12.4%. And to keep the liberals happy the burden could be on the employer. Also no EIC for non-citizens.
What employer would take the risk of hiring an illegal immigrant if it meant the IRS could show up a couple of years later and recover the taxes you failed to pay - plus penalties, interest, etc.? Nobody, since we all know the government would be out looking for any illegal immigrant they could find on a business' payroll since they would be a goldmine of taxes and penalties.
Also, any illegal immigrant who didn't pay the tax would be a tax evader, and there is no way the federal government is going to look the other way at that. They need the money too much.
Illegal immigrants already pay tens of thousands of dollars to smugglers. Why not capture that money too - charge fees for expedited visas.
Your straw-man that anyone wants to round up illegals to force them to become citizens to vote (Dem) here is just dishonest.
But in a way you are useful.
Did you not read or listen to his recent speech about immigration? It was full of immigrant romanticism and nauseating platitudes. It was the type of empty garbage I’d expect to hear from a Bush, but not an alleged original like Paul.
I liked the Paul that suggested pairing legalization of illegals with a moratorium on legal immigration. But I guess he’s abandoned that sensible idea.
Yes, I know Paul has been careful about endorsing a path to citizenship, but that will be the inevitable result for those given legal status. Why would Democrats settle for anything less?
And there is no escaping the fact that support for unending mass immigration - even if it’s all legal - is incompatible with the type of small government ideals Paul champions.