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U.S. Marines rattled by bullet shortage
WND ^ | March 25, 2013 | Garth Kant

Posted on 03/25/2013 10:33:42 PM PDT by Perseverando

Rank and file told to conserve as Big Sis buys by the billion

At least one branch of the U.S. military is scrimping and saving every bullet it can while the Department of Homeland Security is on a bullet-buying spree.

Marine Corps Commandant James F. Amos blames sequester budget cuts for causing the Corps to have to scrimp and save every bullet.

In a video to Marines, he says, “I ask you to save every round, every gallon of gas, that you take every single aspect, or opportunity, in training to get the most bang for the buck.”

“This is no time to do business as usual. Things have changed. The landscape has changed. I need you to be conservative in the way we do business,” Amos continued.

Sequester cuts do not seem to have slowed down the massive purchase of bullets by DHS. WND bas been closely following the department’s big buildup of ammo, reporting how DHS bought more than 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition over the last year.

Members of Congress are demanding the Obama administration explain why it is stockpiling a huge arsenal of ammunition and weapons. “They have no answer for that question. They refuse to answer to answer that,” said Rep. Timothy Huelscamp, R-Kan. Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2013/03/u-s-marines-rattled-by-bullet-shortage/#qyiaWao61ElUU0hD.99

(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: ammo; ammunition; austerity; dhs; guncontrol; marines; secondamendment; sequester; sequestration; usmc

1 posted on 03/25/2013 10:33:42 PM PDT by Perseverando
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To: Perseverando

ping


2 posted on 03/25/2013 10:39:47 PM PDT by laplata
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To: Perseverando

Win-win

Making a habit of not wasting bullets and fuel pays off in combat.

With budget cuts they are scarce due lack of funds.

In combat they are scarce because thats the way it is in combat.


3 posted on 03/25/2013 10:46:02 PM PDT by rdcbn
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To: Perseverando

Marines have always “made do.” I know. I did it for four years. But this is disgraceful. The angry lesbian is hoarding ammo, probably to be used against us, while our warfighters go without. I have a bad feeling that this is a prelude to something very ugly.


4 posted on 03/25/2013 10:55:44 PM PDT by clintonh8r (Happy to be represented by Lt. Col. Allen West)
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To: laplata
Marines...1 shot, 1 kill...conservation to the max
5 posted on 03/25/2013 11:06:13 PM PDT by stylin19a (obama - Fredo smart)
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To: Perseverando
Related thread Retired Army Officer: DHS Must Surrender Their War Weapons to Dept. of Defense.

Is the next civil war going to be between Obama's "civilian national security force" (aka DHS) and the U.S. military?

6 posted on 03/25/2013 11:16:37 PM PDT by AZLiberty (No tag today.)
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To: rdcbn
With budget cuts they are scarce due lack of funds.

Yep, sure it is, my @ss.

7 posted on 03/25/2013 11:20:12 PM PDT by itsahoot (It is not so much that history repeats, but that human nature does not change.)
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To: rdcbn
Win-win Making a habit of not wasting bullets and fuel pays off in combat.With budget cuts they are scarce due lack of funds. In combat they are scarce because thats the way it is in combat.

It sure as hell not a Win win in training. When training they shoot a hell of a lot of ammo to get to proficiency.

When in battle they do conserve ammo and fuel as they do know the supply is limited on the field of battle due to logistics.

Therefore, your post is not logical.

8 posted on 03/25/2013 11:21:38 PM PDT by cpdiii (Deckhand, Roughneck, Mud Man, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist. THE CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR!)
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To: stylin19a

That’s right.

They might run but they’ll die tired.


9 posted on 03/25/2013 11:29:06 PM PDT by laplata
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To: Perseverando
The DHS looks to be like Obama’s gestapo.
10 posted on 03/25/2013 11:43:18 PM PDT by Christie at the beach
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To: Perseverando
“We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we’ve set. We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.”

~Senator Barack Hussein Muhammed Obama, Jr. (D-IL) 2008

11 posted on 03/26/2013 12:00:38 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: clintonh8r

Marines always adapt and improvise.


12 posted on 03/26/2013 12:09:20 AM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: rdcbn
With budget cuts they are scarce due lack of funds.

Really? Did you read this on the huffington post?
13 posted on 03/26/2013 12:10:45 AM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media.)
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To: Perseverando

Funny, the White House seems to have plenty of money to send Obama’s girls away on pricey vacations at taxpayer expense, and countless millions in “aid” to give to Syria, Egypt, and the Palestinians - and yet we’re told there isn’t funding for Americans to tour the People’s House or offer the Marine Corps sufficient ammunition for either training or combat.

Meanwhile, the DHS has more ammunition than it’ll use in ten years, unless they plan on wholesale executions of Americans.

Something stinks here. Something really, REALLY stinks.


14 posted on 03/26/2013 12:36:56 AM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: Perseverando
Here is how the game is played The branch has a table of allowances. You make your five year budget based on this if you use it or not. All this is consolidated and given to the House Armed Services Committee. They provide the funds to make the ammo this year. The Govt plant makes the ammo.
15 posted on 03/26/2013 12:53:37 AM PDT by Domangart
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To: Perseverando

No problem....we still have our K-bars and bayonets!


16 posted on 03/26/2013 1:48:58 AM PDT by Forty-Niner (The barely bare berry bear formerly known as Ursus Arctos Horribilis.)
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To: Perseverando

Part of my active duty was under Clintoon... Endless govt shut downs, no equipment. However, this time there are the brown shirts and DHS. I agree as a natural skeptic, this is a prelude to tyranny by both legislation and force. I used to cackle at the Bananna Republic posts, thinking it couldn’t happen here... I may have been overly optimistic.


17 posted on 03/26/2013 2:09:54 AM PDT by momincombatboots (Back to West by G-d Virginia.)
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To: AZLiberty

DHS may very be planning a coup to take over Washington DC, first they need to starve all opposing forces such as any resistance up and including the Secret Service.
I do believe DHS would not hesitate to shoot anyone in their path but I thing too many people are getting all wound up thinking DHS is starving Americans ammo supply, but of course they are but foremost is the plan to starve the military and police departments first so they can roll in several hundred MRAPS down Pennsylvania Ave.

Anyone heard of recent DHS hirings and training around or near Washington DC?

Oh they are, but DHS isn’t aiming at Americans, unless they get in the way of their ultimate agenda, control of America.

DHS may very well remove Obama and Biden, slip Kerry into the hot seat and then declare martial law.


18 posted on 03/26/2013 2:31:46 AM PDT by Eye of Unk
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To: AZLiberty

I emailed Cornyn yesterday requesting a public response to the officer’s letter.

Guess we shall soon see if Cornyn really learned from KBH demise. He has been following closely to Ted Cruz since the election. This is not a time for RINO traits.


19 posted on 03/26/2013 2:45:59 AM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: Jack Hammer

“unless they plan on wholesale executions of Americans.”

Well, I am not getting on any train. Nor are my neighbors.

This will not end well.


20 posted on 03/26/2013 2:49:07 AM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: Jack Hammer

“the DHS has more ammunition than it’ll use in ten years”

Mostly pistol ammo. Where are all the 40 cal. pistols that are going to shoot 2 billion rounds? ChiComs making them?


21 posted on 03/26/2013 2:50:42 AM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: Texas Fossil

He has been following closely to Ted Cruz since the election.”

I thought more than once if Cruz stopped quickly, Cornyn would end up with a very flat brown nose. It didn’t take him long to start moving left again though. He was one of the twenty Senators who voted for the CR.

Hopefully we will have a Conservative to run against him in 2014. I did tell him at our Lincoln Day dinner where he spoke that I would not vote for him and why. His response, “I’m sorry you feel that way. There are many things that happen in the Senate that most people are not a party to so it’s often difficult to understand why we take the positions we do. Thank you for sharing your concerns with me.”


22 posted on 03/26/2013 3:00:26 AM PDT by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: Grams A

Not surprised at all.

In other words, I voted in my own interest.

Long and short, out Federal Gov and the elected officials who appear to run it have sold us out to foreign interests.

Obozo is the clear proof of that.

It must end. Soon.


23 posted on 03/26/2013 3:18:12 AM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: Perseverando

If the US Marines want DHS ammo and other ordnance, rest assured they will simply go and take them.


24 posted on 03/26/2013 3:22:25 AM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: Perseverando
Is this where the billions of bullets are going?


25 posted on 03/26/2013 3:49:18 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: mylife
Marines always adapt and improvise.


26 posted on 03/26/2013 3:52:57 AM PDT by Carpe Cerevisi
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To: clintonh8r

This is correct, The DHS was not running a shortage of anything,before this massive buildup,so why then,the buildup? People better take this seriously. Someone either predicts a financial or social meltdown, or intends to create one.There can be no good intent to this buildup.This worries me more than any of the other crap that Obama has pulled.


27 posted on 03/26/2013 4:02:17 AM PDT by Quickgun (I got here kicking,screaming and covered in someone else's blood. I can go out that way if I have to)
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To: Quickgun

maybe the nearly 2 trillion $ stimulus package did not work because it was spent to arm the DHS?

Hum?


28 posted on 03/26/2013 4:31:52 AM PDT by urbanpovertylawcenter (where the law and poverty collide in an urban setting and sparks fly)
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To: Perseverando

I recently had a conversation with an Army commander. He was telling me that a live fire exercise had been postponed. For lack of ammo.

Nice, huh?


29 posted on 03/26/2013 4:36:54 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (Does anybody really know what time it is? Does anybody really care?)
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To: Perseverando

So the DOD can’t find any overpaid fat-ass civilians in the Pentagon to lay off instead of cutting troop supplies?


30 posted on 03/26/2013 4:38:01 AM PDT by EricT. (The Republican Party is a friend to conservatives the way Pakistan is an ally in the War On Terror.)
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To: Jack Hammer
“wholesale executions of Americans”

Nah, that would only use up a third of the ammo, unless they know they are really bad shots ... but wholesale executions of Americans would achieve one of the long standing goals of the American left - US population reduction - save the environment and all.

What stinks is not so much their purchases, but their refusal to answer why to Congress.

Obviously, there is some planned ‘crisis’ coming which either by itself or has the potential to become violent ...

I would suspect that the ‘crisis’ will variously revolve around immigration, gun confiscation, elimination of all or part of the Constitution - but specifically the Twenty-second Amendment allowing Our King to remain in office indefinitely.

31 posted on 03/26/2013 4:47:09 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: EricT.

They already plan to “lay off” 750K “lazy” govt workers. That’s the ticket.


32 posted on 03/26/2013 5:18:49 AM PDT by USAF80
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To: Candor7

The military don’t use .40 cal. 5.56 and 9mm is standard issue. All the other stuff is heavy and not used by civilian forces.


33 posted on 03/26/2013 5:20:46 AM PDT by USAF80
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To: Eye of Unk

DHS will be rolled up in a few hours if they go against the military. MRAPS will not last one minute against any kind of attack helo.


34 posted on 03/26/2013 5:24:40 AM PDT by USAF80
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To: Perseverando

So lets pretend we are playing Risk. let me think.. Spread the enemies army out all over the world, using up all of their ammo, resources and do all sorts of stuff that causes heavy damage to their moral, watching them die in battle or kill themselves- while I stockpile ammo and tanks, and build a zombie military of starving people addicted to free food- and take everyone’s guns, turn the food stamps off- flood the communities with criminals who will shoot for food.

Yea-I think that might work.


35 posted on 03/26/2013 5:30:59 AM PDT by Truth2012
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To: Perseverando

Marines are NEVER “rattled”...


36 posted on 03/26/2013 5:33:57 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: cpdiii

When in battle they do conserve ammo and fuel as they do know the supply is limited on the field of battle due to logistics.


The most recent stat I read on the number of rounds per dead enemy is in the range of 500,000 rounds per dead Jihadi.


WW I — 7,000 rounds/casualty
WW II — 25,000 rounds/casualty
Korea — 50,000 rounds/casualty
Vietnam — 200,000 rounds/casualty
Iraq — 500,000+ rounds/casualty

This in increase in ammo use is despite the fact that the current conflict is unique in that virtually every Soldier is issued either an unmagnified optical sighting device such as the Aimpoint, MARS or the Eo Tech, or a magnified optic such as a Trijicon ACOG, ELCAN 145 or Elcan Specter, Schmidt and Bender, ect or any one of a multitude of personally purchased optical sighting devices.

It is also running counter to the trend of integrating a Designated Marksman fielding a precision rifle and optic down to the unit level.

The concept of making every round count is a mindset that has not exactly been in vogue over the last few years.


37 posted on 03/26/2013 5:58:56 AM PDT by rdcbn
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To: Perseverando
FTA:

Additionally, the DHS is buying hollow-point bullets, which experts say are rarely used for training exercices. The DHS ordered 240,000 hollow-point rounds last month and has now placed an order for 360,000 more rounds.(Emphasis added.)

Remarkable. Now it turns out the HP rounds aren't generally used for training, possibly, IMHO, because they're about three times as costly per round as FMJ. That, of course, destroys much of the explanation for the HP purchases, meaning a straight explanation is that much more essential.

38 posted on 03/26/2013 6:00:00 AM PDT by libstripper
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To: Truth2012
The shooting will start long before the food runs out.

It will begin when the alcohol and drugs begin to run out.

Think of it as Urban Renewal.

39 posted on 03/26/2013 6:03:44 AM PDT by Aevery_Freeman (They say "Right Wing" but they mean "Wrong Wing"!)
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To: itsahoot

Any ammo shortage at this point is political posturing.

All ammo buy contracts have been in place for a long time. New contracts are not being issued as the war winds down

Our Military used the recent conflict to top off the ammo reserves depleted during the Clinton Administration so we have a lot of ammunition socked away.


40 posted on 03/26/2013 6:11:30 AM PDT by rdcbn
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To: cpdiii

Seems they’ve been conserving on ammo for quite some time, and now it’s just worse. My son served in Marine Corps, 2 deployments to Afghanistan, and he was extremely anxious that they weren’t firing their rifles much at all...except just before they were getting ready to deploy. He even got in trouble with his platoon leader for expressing his concern!


41 posted on 03/26/2013 6:16:01 AM PDT by samsmom
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To: rdcbn

“We have done so Much,
For so Long,
With so Little,
Sometimes I think
We a do Anything
With Nothing
FOREVER!”

Ooooorah!

Semper Fi!

(although sometimes we do “liberate” a few supplies from the Army, Navy, or Air Force)


42 posted on 03/26/2013 6:43:02 AM PDT by BwanaNdege ("To learn who rules over you simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize"- Voltaire)
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To: BwanaNdege

Out of all the services, the Marines always seem get the shaft when it comes to funding.

I do find it hard to believe that Marines may actually creatively divert assets from other branches of the service to make up for the shortfall.

Say it isn’t so.


43 posted on 03/26/2013 6:49:40 AM PDT by rdcbn
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To: rdcbn

“I do find it hard to believe that Marines may actually creatively divert assets from other branches of the service to make up for the shortfall.

Say it isn’t so.”

LIBERATE!

LIBERATE!

Read the fine print!

Besides, Form 369BC-2a was filled out, in triplicate....
You know the form, “Midnight Requisition-Olive Drab, One (or more) Ea.”

:-)

Did someone say, “All’s fair in love & in war”?


44 posted on 03/26/2013 7:21:37 AM PDT by BwanaNdege ("To learn who rules over you simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize"- Voltaire)
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To: BwanaNdege

At least it gets put to a good purpose.


45 posted on 03/26/2013 9:07:33 AM PDT by rdcbn
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To: PIF

All that President Hussein has to do is seize upon some crisis or other, even a manufactured one, then declare martial law, and the consitution, the Bill of Rights, and everything even resembling democracy goes right out the window.

And then, yes, he’d be president for life, as long as he could keep milking his “crisis.”

It’s actually an old, old story, and Hussein wouldn’t be the first chief executive to seize power in such a way.


46 posted on 03/26/2013 1:34:41 PM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: Jack Hammer

Obismo will be the first US chief executive do sieze total power.

How Nixon Won Watergate JONATHAN TURLEY
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3000983/posts

“Obama has not only openly asserted powers that were the grounds for Nixon’s impeachment, but he has made many love him for it. More than any figure in history, Obama has been a disaster for the U.S. civil liberties movement. By coming out of the Democratic Party and assuming an iconic position, Obama has ripped the movement in half. Many Democrats and progressive activists find themselves unable to oppose Obama for the authoritarian powers he has assumed. It is not simply a case of personality trumping principle; it is a cult of personality.”

Turley is a turkey gobbling leftist talking points most of the time, but he’s nailed it here - Obama has siezed more power than Nixon dreamed possible.

But then Nixon, despite all the damage he caused, loved his country - something Obizmo does not love. And as we are seeing, the damage will be unchecked and be far worse.


47 posted on 03/26/2013 1:48:54 PM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: rdcbn
New contracts are not being issued as the war winds down

Well better tell that to DHS before they get delivery.

48 posted on 03/26/2013 4:18:06 PM PDT by itsahoot (It is not so much that history repeats, but that human nature does not change.)
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To: USAF80

Then the US Marines can take the DHS guns as well as the ammunition. LOL. War lots of ammo do not belong in the hands of DHS. Period.

I hope the US Marines commandeer the lot, and preserve the safety of our nation from usurpation from within.No complaint here if it happened.


49 posted on 03/26/2013 4:25:59 PM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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