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Gun store rescinds Mark Kelly's rifle purchase, questions his 'intent'
Fox News ^ | 3/25/13

Posted on 03/26/2013 7:31:30 AM PDT by Impala64ssa

A Tucson gun store owner has decided to rescind the sale of a military-style rifle to Mark Kelly, the husband of former U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, after Kelly said he had intended the purchase to make a political point about how easy it is to obtain the kind of firearms he's lobbying Congress to ban.

Kelly's March 5 purchase of an AR-15-style rifle and a 45.-caliber handgun at Diamondback Police Supply sparked a frenzy of reaction from both sides of the debate after he posted to Facebook a photo of himself shopping.

A background check took only a matter of minutes to complete, Kelly said in the Facebook post, adding that it's scary to think people can buy similar guns without background checks at gun shows or on the Internet.

But Kelly couldn't immediately take possession of the rifle because the shop had bought it from a customer. As a result, the store is required by a Tucson ordinance to hold the gun for 20 days to give the city enough time to make sure the weapon wasn't used in a crime.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: banglist; giffords; guncontrol; markkelly; secondamendment
The Mr. MacKinlay saw right through Kelly's BS, and refused to be used for some smarmy social commentary. This cheap trick Markypoo tried to pull reminds me of this:

About 20 yrs ago this gun violence death clock was put up in front of the World Trade Center, of all places. by the Gun Fighters of America, a bunch of Brady Campaign wannabes. The funding for this eyesore came from a scam artist, Robert Brennan, who eventualy did time for securities fraud. Yeah, if I bilked lots of old folks out of their life savings, I'd be, shall we say, CONCERNED if their kids and grandkids had easy access to firearms.

1 posted on 03/26/2013 7:31:30 AM PDT by Impala64ssa
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To: Impala64ssa

How about a bj klinton rape clock?
Gabby is proof that liberals don’t need brains.


2 posted on 03/26/2013 7:37:03 AM PDT by longfellow (Bill Maher, the 21st hijacker.)
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To: Impala64ssa

Kelly filled out the 4473 attesting that he was buying the weapons for himself but stated openly that he was giving the AR-15 to a third party. He committed a felony! He should now be tried, convicted and imprisoned for falsifiying the record. He was a “straw buyer”!


3 posted on 03/26/2013 7:39:04 AM PDT by TexasRedeye (Eschew Obfuscation)
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To: Impala64ssa
Classify this one as mixed feelings: I don't believe the gun seller has the right to rescind the sale based on the intent (that being a legal use of the AR15) of Mr. Kelly. On the other hand, this is the guy I would go to buy my next gun, were I in Arizona.
4 posted on 03/26/2013 7:40:18 AM PDT by Michael.SF. (Obama lied, Stevens died.)
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To: TexasRedeye

With that added info, I will stand corrected on my comment.


5 posted on 03/26/2013 7:41:54 AM PDT by Michael.SF. (Obama lied, Stevens died.)
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To: TexasRedeye
He committed a felony! He should now be tried, convicted and imprisoned for falsifiying the record. He was a “straw buyer”!

Precisely.

6 posted on 03/26/2013 7:42:13 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: Impala64ssa

Could you imagine an abortion clock?


7 posted on 03/26/2013 7:42:46 AM PDT by corlorde (forWARD of the state)
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To: Impala64ssa

I guess they couldn’t or didn’t want to put the percentage numbers up there of number of guns as a percentage of “gun killings” because it would show the miniscule number that it is huh? Guess they thought New Yorkers wouldn’t be able to figure it out on their own. Wonder what the number of “Guns in America” is now? Probably well over 300 mil.

Anyway, if the gun shop has stopped the sale because of questionable intent, will this be another case of the batfe NOT going after an individual (NON-enforcement!) for attempting to buy a weapon under false pretenses? They’d probably pay one of us peons a visit but they’ll tell mark kelly-giffords just to not do it again if they say anything at all now that he is in the privileged/protected upper class.


8 posted on 03/26/2013 7:46:29 AM PDT by rktman (BACKGROUND CHECKS? YOU FIRST MR. PRESIDENT!(not that we'd get the truth!))
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To: Impala64ssa

If they sold it to him knowing he lied on the 4473, they would be committing a felony.

Mark Kelly, by his admission the gun was not for personal use and his intention was to buy it for someone else, admitted committing a felony when he lied on the form.

I think a DA needs to look into his actions.


9 posted on 03/26/2013 7:46:46 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: Impala64ssa
Kelly's actions may have been more valid if he had taken his new gun out and shot people, or, had been a felon. In Kelly's America obtaining a gun under false pretenses would be a felony.

It should be easy for law abiding citizens to obtain a gun.

10 posted on 03/26/2013 7:46:49 AM PDT by depressed in 06 (America conceived in liberty, dies in slavery.)
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To: corlorde

That would definitely be a lop-sided count...

“Every minute, “X” babies are aborted in America.”

You know, hat would be an excellent pro-life statement...In Houston, I drive by one of the largest “Planned Parenthood” facilities in the country...Right by the University of Houston main campus, ironically enough...

I think putting a huge billboard (right next to that place) goes a long way in setting an extreme guilt trip into the population that I am not afraid of supporting...


11 posted on 03/26/2013 7:47:58 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: Michael.SF.

What a gun shop owner told me was that he was required to refuse any sale if he felt ‘uncomfortable’ about the sale. Someone buying a gun for someone else might act abnormal, so he was supposed to err on the side of caution.

Don’t know if that is true - not a gun shop owner, myself.


12 posted on 03/26/2013 7:49:01 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (America is becoming California, and California is becoming Detroit. Detroit is already hell.)
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To: stevie_d_64; corlorde

Here you go

http://www.numberofabortions.com/


13 posted on 03/26/2013 7:49:33 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: SampleMan

Nah. Mr mark kelly-giffords simply made a mistake. Nothing to see here. Move along. Due to his “celebrity” status he gets a pass. Hmmmm. Wonder what jim carrey thinks of mark kelly-giffords. Like that matters to anybody.


14 posted on 03/26/2013 7:50:51 AM PDT by rktman (BACKGROUND CHECKS? YOU FIRST MR. PRESIDENT!(not that we'd get the truth!))
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To: Impala64ssa

Wow, when you divide the gun killings by the number of guns, you get 0.00009599 - or 0.0096% Not even 1/100th of a percent of gun deaths to guns.


15 posted on 03/26/2013 7:52:57 AM PDT by IYAS9YAS
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To: TexasRedeye; All

See, thats the problem with the damned form...Not that I am in anyway supporting doofushead on this...

But what if I filled out the form, with the intent to later on will the firearm to someone in the family, or sell it outright to someone else if I chose not to posess that firearm anymore...

I don’t believe I am compelled to fill out a transfer form for that kind of deal, if I am alive or not...Its my property, and I have the right to dispose of it as I see fit...(this is true in most states in this Union, IIRC)

But Mark Kelly’s intent was clear from the onset...Poorly thought out, and poorly executed...

As I have said many times in the past, you may be smart enough to command the space shuttle, but this guy is dumber than a bag of hammers in this arena...

If he only understood what a tool he is to these socialists and their agenda, he’d be singing a different tune...


16 posted on 03/26/2013 7:53:54 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: Impala64ssa
Maybe he was just downsizing from an AR47?


17 posted on 03/26/2013 7:54:05 AM PDT by Michael.SF. (Obama lied, Stevens died.)
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To: mnehring; All

Ahhhh, even better, how about a comparison of gun deaths (let them load it up as they see fit, to the amount of killings abortions amount to during the year...

Love it...Hate it, but love it...


18 posted on 03/26/2013 7:56:02 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: Michael.SF.
I don't believe the gun seller has the right to rescind the sale based on the intent

Actually, a licensed FFL dealer can refuse to sell to anyone for any reason or no reason according to BATFE regulations.

BTW - other threads seem to dispute that Kelly committed a felony by falsifying the 4473 (gifting a firearm is cited as legal). If that is true, he should simply be incarcerted for being STUPID!

19 posted on 03/26/2013 7:56:45 AM PDT by TexasRedeye (Eschew Obfuscation)
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To: Impala64ssa
That's the WTC? Is doesn't look right. The top has two lines between the windows that end in curves at each end of the top floor. The two buildings, I believe, are kitty corner from each one. Finally, the two corners look rounded where in the WTC they are flat and at what appear to be 45º. Like this:

I don't know, maybe it's perspective??

20 posted on 03/26/2013 8:01:44 AM PDT by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: corlorde

If a pro-life group put up an abortion clock the Leftists would go hysterical and do everything in their power to have it removed.


21 posted on 03/26/2013 8:02:48 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (I’m not a Republican, I’m a conservative! Pubbies haven't been conservative since before T.R.)
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To: longfellow
Gabby is proof that liberals don’t need brains.

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22 posted on 03/26/2013 8:04:29 AM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: Impala64ssa
Maybe I'm not seeing it, but it looks like the sign doesn't put the number of deaths between homicides and deaths dealt by law abiding persons defending life or property.

Don't have glasses on yet and brain is still in wake-up mode so maybe I'm not understanding the sign.

23 posted on 03/26/2013 8:06:59 AM PDT by hummingbird
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To: Lx

No it’s the twin towers alright, there was nothing else like them. On a perfectly clear day they could be seen from Bear Mtn. 40 miles north.


24 posted on 03/26/2013 8:08:25 AM PDT by Impala64ssa (You call me an islamophobe like it's a bad thing.)
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To: Michael.SF.

” I don’t believe the gun seller has the right to rescind the sale based on the intent...”

Nonsense! NO shoes, NO Shirt, NO Service!


25 posted on 03/26/2013 8:15:06 AM PDT by vette6387
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To: Impala64ssa

Need and abortion clock.


26 posted on 03/26/2013 8:31:33 AM PDT by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: SampleMan; TexasRedeye

I believe in Arizona it is perfectly legal to purchase a gun and give it as a gift. If the third party gave him the money for the gun you are correct and he committed a felony.

Not that I wouldn’t like to see that slimy fascist frog marched into a cell but I think that our little discussion here serves more to point out assinine gun laws rather than the criminality of leftists.


27 posted on 03/26/2013 8:39:08 AM PDT by RightOnTheBorder
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To: vette6387

IMO, and I’m not a lawyer but play one on FR, The store owner could flag him as a straw purchaser and he may not EVER be able to purchase another gun.( except of course for Eric Holder) He says we don’t really need them so why not?


28 posted on 03/26/2013 8:42:10 AM PDT by chuckles
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To: RightOnTheBorder

I have purchased firearms as presents, but I defy you to purchase one being honest about it. Dealers are extremely gun shy (hmmm) about anything that faintly smells like a straw purchase.


29 posted on 03/26/2013 8:44:42 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: RightOnTheBorder
I believe in Arizona it is perfectly legal to purchase a gun and give it as a gift.

While in Phoenix I bought a shotgun for my son, to do so, we had to fill out the forms in his name, so that the sale was officially to him. I simply paid for it.

30 posted on 03/26/2013 8:45:09 AM PDT by Michael.SF. (Obama lied, Stevens died.)
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To: Impala64ssa

IF they were honest, they would show how many of those gun deaths were suicides, how many were accidents, how many were criminals shot by criminals, how many were criminals shot by cops, and how many were innocent victims shot by criminals or cops. You would then see that the number of deaths of innocent victims from gunshot wounds is a small fraction of the total number of gun-related deaths. The largest number of gun deaths (over half the total) were suicides.


31 posted on 03/26/2013 8:49:04 AM PDT by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: TexasRedeye
He should now be tried, convicted and imprisoned for falsifiying the record. He was a “straw buyer”!

As a former FFL holder, I can assure that this is not the definition of a "straw buyer". IF a buyer uses his own money to buy a gun and then gives it as a gift to someone else that is legally qualified to own it, that is not a straw purchase. If another person gave Mr. Kelly the money to buy the gun (presumably because the first person could not legally buy the gun himself), and then Mr. Kelly bought the gun while representing that he was the true buyer of the weapon, that would make him a "straw buyer".

32 posted on 03/26/2013 8:53:40 AM PDT by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: Impala64ssa

33 posted on 03/26/2013 9:02:34 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: smoothsailing

HAAHHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!


34 posted on 03/26/2013 9:11:48 AM PDT by longfellow (Bill Maher, the 21st hijacker.)
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To: SampleMan

I know exactly what you mean and the law is basically splitting hairs between straw purchases and gifts. I live in Texas and have purchased a gun as a gift for my mother, who at the time was a Texas resident. If I sell or give a gun to someone who is also a resident of Texas, there is no paperwork required. To give a gun to someone in another state a transfer with background check is required. Had I given her the gun while she was a resident of another state, it would have been legal to be “on loan” but ownership could not be transfered until she became a Texas resident, or completed an FFL transfer.

The whole point of all this of course is not to prevent crime or guns in the hands of criminals but rather to put me in a tenuous legal situation regarding ownership of the firearm. I can only imagine a gun store owners fear of liability from navigating convoluted gun regs. Ain’t our laws grand.


35 posted on 03/26/2013 9:18:07 AM PDT by RightOnTheBorder
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To: longfellow
Gabby is proof that liberals don’t need brains.

That statement is the furthest thing from politically correct that I have ever seen in my entire life :D

Well played, sir, well played.

36 posted on 03/26/2013 9:31:54 AM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: Michael.SF.

The owner can’t take the chance BATF will come at him for knowingly aiding a “straw purchase.” Maybe this was the plan all along. Buy the gun, announce you are giving it away, then charge the SELLER with a crime! I think we all know Kelly would never be charged but the owner’s FFL would be in serious jeopardy.


37 posted on 03/26/2013 9:37:14 AM PDT by CPONuke
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To: CPONuke

Agree. More info came out since my first comment.

But I still say the seller should not be able to rescind a sale made because he does not like what the buyer is going to do with the gun (as long as all laws have been obeyed and are expected to be obeyed).


39 posted on 03/26/2013 10:14:02 AM PDT by Michael.SF. (Obama lied, Stevens died.)
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To: hummingbird
Don't have glasses on yet and brain is still in wake-up mode so maybe I'm not understanding the sign.

Nothing wrong with your brain.
The dingbats who put up the sign deliberately made it as opaque and ambiguous as they could to advance their agenda.*

Why try to understand low-information propaganda?

*gang banger deaths, criminal homicides, suicides, people defending themselves and their families, accidental hunting accidents, everything gets thrown into the big propaganda pot.

40 posted on 03/26/2013 3:33:50 PM PDT by publius911 (Look for the Union label, then buy something else.)
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To: Impala64ssa
I don't know if this is the same but:

Times Square sign to count gun deaths December 30, 1993|By Knight-Ridder Newspapers

NEW YORK -- According to the old show tune, there's a broken heart for every light on Broadway.

Shortly after midnight tomorrow, 1,500 new lights will appear there, reflecting not just broken hearts but lives cut short.

It's the 7th one to the right. The new year will see the initiation of the Gun Fighters Deathclock, a three-story, red-white-and-blue, neon-edged billboard high above 47th Street in Times Square. The digital clock will offer an up-to-the-second tally of the number of guns in circulation in the United States, and the people who die because of them.

Every 5 1/2 seconds a gun will be added to the total, and every 14.8 minutes another death will be tallied.

"It's an ugly story, but it's an important story to tell," said Robert Brennan, the New Jersey businessman behind the idea. "If you want a message to be seen anywhere in the world, Times Square is the place."

Richard Wright, a resident of Saco, Maine, who was in line to buy discount theater tickets when the clock was unveiled yesterday, was not sure what good the clock would do, but thought it was worth a try.

"It couldn't hurt," he said. "It's a reminder, like any other reminder."

It won't be a gentle reminder.

This clock will be one of the 40 "supersigns" that have made Times Square a glitzy festival of color and lights.

But now, in addition to the Coca-Cola sign, the immense orange Suntory Whiskey sign, the five-story photo of a model sticking his hand into the top of his Calvin Klein briefs, the national-debt clock and the clock calculating "how much America has saved by using MCI instead of AT&T," will be the grim tally of the Deathclock.

It will turn a little piece of the Great White Way into the Grim Reaper's countinghouse.

It will pour forth, in 2 1/2 -foot digitized readouts, the number of people killed by guns in domestic disputes, robberies, drug deals, hunting accidents and more. The numbers displayed on the clock will reflect statistics from reports by the FBI and other government agencies.

Also on the board is a toll-free number that encourages public participation in a fight against handguns. The number: 1-800-WHY-GUNS.

The number connects to the sponsor of the clock, the Dehere Foundation, headed by Mr. Brennan, who said he established the organization to reduce violence in American cities. Callers will get information on how they can help work for gun control.

The foundation is named after professional basketball player Terry Dehere, a friend of Mr. Brennan's and a foundation board member.

During yesterday's news conference, Mr. Brennan said the clock was an effort to mobilize anti-gun sentiment around the nation. He has plans to put similar clocks up in other cities, including Los Angeles, Miami and Washington and in Newark, N.J., where he grew up.

Twenty-five years ago, Mr. Brennan's brother was shot and killed by robbers, but yesterday Mr. Brennan was reluctant to talk about it. "We're not here to rewrite history from 25 years ago," he said.

As the clock was being unveiled, New Yorkers were in the midst of a startling gun-surrender program, which offered people $100 toy-store gift certificates in exchange for any guns they turned in to police. The program was started by Fernando Mateo, who owns a carpet business in Manhattan.

In the article is says that there is supposed to be an 800 number but I don't see one.

The buildings also look parallel, unlike these:

It's posted in Time's Square:

Click through this and you'll see it:

Times Square signs.

It's the 7th one to the right.

41 posted on 03/26/2013 4:55:40 PM PDT by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: Lx

Yes, now I remember, that sign was placed near Times Square.


42 posted on 03/26/2013 11:31:20 PM PDT by Impala64ssa (You call me an islamophobe like it's a bad thing.)
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To: chris37

I shall wear that like a badge of honor!


43 posted on 03/27/2013 10:22:30 AM PDT by longfellow (Bill Maher, the 21st hijacker.)
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