Skip to comments.Supreme Court Justices Wary of Broad Ruling Endorsing Gay Marriage
Posted on 03/26/2013 3:34:35 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
Supreme Court justices signaled on Tuesday that they are reluctant to embrace a broad ruling finding a fundamental right to marriage for gays and lesbians across the United States.
As sign-waving demonstrators massed outside, the court completed more than an hour of oral argument on whether to let stand a California ban on same-sex marriage without indicating a clear path forward.
Swing vote Justice Anthony Kennedy raised concerns about the court entering "uncharted waters" on an issue that divides the states.
Kennedy even raised the prospect of the court dismissing the case, a relatively unusual move that would leave intact a federal Appeals Court ruling that struck down the law, known as Proposition 8.
In a similar vein, Justice Samuel Alito also urged caution, noting that gay marriage as a concept is "newer than cellphones and the Internet."
None of the justices indicated support for the Obama administration's favored solution, which would strike down Proposition 8 and require the other eight states that already recognize civil unions or domestic partnerships to allow gays and lesbians to marry.
Earlier in the argument, the justices probed lawyers on both sides on the technical issue of whether California opponents of gay marriage had a right to be heard in federal court.
Although there was no apparent consensus on that point, if the court were to find the proponents did not have standing it would not reach the merits and then the federal District Court ruling that struck down Proposition 8 would be left intact.
U.S. citizens in general do not have a right to sue to enforce laws they favor. Chief Justice John Roberts pressed lawyer Charles Cooper, who represents gay marriage opponents, on why his clients are any different as they seek to enforce Proposition 8.
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Early Indications: SCOTUS to Punt on Gay Marriage?
First, a majority (the Chief Justice plus the liberal members of the Court) could decide that the petitioners lack standing. That would vacate the Ninth Circuits decision but leave in place the district court decision invalidating Proposition 8. Another case with different petitioners (perhaps a government official who did not want to administer a same-sex marriage) could come to the Supreme Court within two to three years, if the Justices were willing to hear it. Second, the Court may dismiss the case because of an inability to reach a majority. Justice Kennedy takes that view, and Justice Sotomayor indicated that she might join him. Others on the left may agree. That ruling would leave in place the Ninth Circuits decision. The upshot of either scenario is a modest step forward for gay rights advocates, but not a dramatic one.
In other words, the Court could find several avenues to avoid upholding California’s “Prop 8,” while also declining to explicitly strike it down. If the justices venture down either of these paths, then vote to strike down the 1996 Defense of Marriage Act — which many people now anticipate — the issue of gay marriage would fall to the states. Former federal judge Michael McConnell, an esteemed conservative, sketched out this very scenario in the Wall Street Journal last week:
Even though the stage seems set for a momentous ruling by the court, the litigation actually offers the justices a golden opportunity to resolve these cases without setting a precedent either way, and to reaffirm the ideal of democratic, decentralized decision-making...If the court dismisses the Proposition 8 case on standing grounds and strikes DOMA down on federalism grounds, the combined effect would be to reaffirm America’s democratic, decentralized decision-making process without imposing an answerone way or the otherto the same-sex marriage question. By taking such a path, the court would be spared from imposing a single nationwide definition of marriage as a matter of constitutional law, and from having to rule, for all time, that there is or is not a constitutional right to same-sex marriagea momentous step that some justices might be reluctant to take. It would leave the issue to the states, at least for the time being. This course might appeal to centrist justices like Anthony Kennedy, John Roberts and Stephen Breyerand perhaps could even command a unanimous court, which would have a welcome calming influence on the nation’s culture wars. Considerations of these sorts have long been part of the virtue of judicial modesty, too often undervalued by partisans on both sides. In this instance, modesty requires no more than that the justices follow the technicalities of the law.
You realize that if that beauty were from Thailand, you can’t be sure that it’s a she or a he.... :)
It’s working for me! As they say, “Adam and Eve, NOT Adam and Steve”!
I find that interesting in that they had no such problem with Roe v Wade.
If this is what happens, we have to somehow make the state bans on this joke permanent.
I love their food, but I’ll take my women from European descent(sp?).
The faggotization of America is jaw dropping.
Am I geting this right:
If the voters of a state overwhelmingly pass a proposition, opponents of that proposition can oppose it and they have standing to go to a court where the judge has a conflict of interest but nonetheless overturns the vote of the people. Yet, if an elected official, say a state’s Attorney General, refuses to do his/her job to support the result of the people’s vote, then the people themselves have no standing? Is that about right?
I’ve decided it’s my mission to post hot chicks on every news story pertaining to faggots. I must or I’ll f***ing snap!
The ruling will be irrelevant as the voters of California would likely abolish Prop 8 in a future referendum.
hoosexuality is a mental illness pure and simple.
How a guy can not get turned on by wmen but instead gets turned on by a mans feces and ass is sick
How a woman can not get turned on by men but instead gets another woman who acts like a man and then put a plastic strap on dildon and then act like a guy in bed is pure sick
I’m a woman and I have no problem with it! Better than ugly lesbians!
I agree completely. It used to be considered a mental illness, now it’s hip on tv. I need to build a time machine. I can’t take it here anymore.
You got my support. I just don’t get it..... It doesn’t seem that long ago, that the slimes were freaks of nature, and now they are close to getting preferential treatment.
:) I’m trying to counteract all the recent gay news. I just want to remind my fellow FReepers about the “winning team”.
Isn't he married with kids?
I’m only 38, and I don’t recognize this country anymore. I feel bad for older conservatives, they must be beside themselves.
Do bisexuals have the right to marry both a man and woman? That will be the next sexual cause. Slippery slope.
you and I need to .
I have 3 young kids, oldest 15 but at least he said that most of his pals think it;s weird but that;s around here, I;m sure if I went to MA then nearly all the kids there think it;s perfectly normal.
Though if they were explained what it was and what disease and how they do it then they might have second thoughts.
I was never around in the 50’s but I;d sure as hell love to go back in time when things were normal
Amen to that!
Since Roe v Wade many decent people has reasoned that the Supreme Court and the constitution itself have lost much of their legitimacy. How can you respect an institution that by its action is responsible for the killing of fort million human lives? If this horrific killing is in fact “constitutional” then how can decent people of conscience take an oath to “uphold and defend”? If this damaged institution states that the decadence of gay marriage is a “constitutional right” its standing will decline even further. Woe to the Constitution.
Wary? The 10th Amendment would absolutely preclude it—if anyone paid attention to the 10th Amendment anymore.
I’ll drop you off in the ‘50s, I’m going to the Middle Ages to become a Knight.
Tutti-frutti with a beard and 2 illegally-adopted children.
I think the current justices (none of whom were on the Court when Roe was decided) realize what a mess the Court made in that case. Had the court not ruled in Roe v. Wade, abortion would today be legal in some states, illegal in others, and there would be a lot less fighting over the issue.
I dont recognize this country anymore either..I live in Los Angeles so unfortunately I have to live with the media kissing the asses of gays..its sickening..and I wouldnt be surprised if the Supreme Court allows homos to marry..it will be the same as Obamacare, that is how they will rule, with John Roberts ruling in favor of the fruits..this is all the master plan of the left, first take away our right to bear arms, than take away the definition of marriage..its truly sick
oi I forgot about that era, OK drop me off and I don;t mind fighting the crusades for a day or two .
states war would be good
pirate days though I;d have to be the pirate sailing place to place as long as I get back out in time before I;m hung.
Vikings robbing and looting the country.
Though I would also in the 50’s buy a ton of land knowing what I know now.
I;d love to have thousands of acres of my own land and then the outside world can take a flying jump with their liberal socialist cess pit views
Let me know when the time machine is up and running
I’ve actually have gone past anger, and I am now delusional / insane.
Lots of good times to go to. Knighthood just sounds like a purposeful life. Women were decent and ladylike. Men were brave and lived by a code. (This may all be lies, but I’m sticking by it)
Ive had to deal with the way California is..but I dont wish California on anyone else, but if the Supreme Court rules the way I think they will everyone will have to suffer the way I have had to suffer in this state..the media love fest here for gay marriage is SICKENING but not surprising, most of the local news reporters here are gay as a fruit basket..next up will be allowing fruitcakes to adopt children..that will leave us with a future generation of molested kids who think being homo is A OK
Any chance you’ll get to escape LA, or is that not a possibility?
I could, if things get really really bad(Yeah its possible for things to get worse here) I might leave. My whole family is here, I grew up in this state(Born and raised) unfortunately its not the same state I once loved. California is a beautiful state with some really wonderful people living in it, but we are in the minority now and its just a real shame..Ronald Reagan loved this state and he wouldnt recognize it anymore
You will never get a complaint from me.
I knew I could count on a Gator.
I lived in San Jose from 77-85. It was great as a kid.
It’s great to be a Florida Gator.
Are you going to the game?
The singular purpose of law that advances homosexual ‘marriage’ is to force the citizens into supporting and servicing homosexual behavior.
sounds good though have you seen many college kids up in Boston an dother big cities lately?
WOW the women are more manly than the supposedly guys and the guys are more girlie than most women.
Hell I don;t know what happened to many early 20’s and to high school age boys but even my sons tell me that many are just little fairies who won;t get dirty, never had a fight, cry, wear spandex and helmets to ride their bicycle to the next door neighbor and as my wife tells me ,.
he last thing she wants to see is grown men wearing tight spandex.
Imagine sticking these kind of guys in your time machine and send them back to when all men were real men LOL EEK
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I believe that, even if we had a referendum on the subject, SCOTUS would still overturn it.
The Feds are dead set on enforcing sodomarriage as the acceptable lifestyle.
It gives them another opportunity to challenge Christian values.
I see dudes wearing “skinny jeans” and it is rather upsetting. I think they call these freaks “emos”. Between Goths, emos, and actual homos, I feel like I’m in a bad dream.
I live in FL now, but I consider home Delaware, so I’m close to Philly, Baltimore, and DC.
RE: Do bisexuals have the right to marry both a man and woman?
I think the answer would be “yes” ( that is, if gay marriage is law ).
However, they can only do it one at a time.
Can they eventually do it more than one at a time? Time will tell.
I won’t be surprised if the polygamists come out it force next once the dam breaks.
ehy pal I;m in St Johns county St Augustine.
here is how my county votes and not one Dem in power here and guess what we have mnoney and not in debt.
Have you ever been here?
Just asked my oldest boy about skinny jeans etc and he esaid yes there are a few boys who wear them and they look weird and girlie.
He said Emo’;s are the oens who cut themselves and I;ve just todl him you know it;s wrogn right, that they are totally screwed up and he said he knew that and neevr talks to them.
He did just tell me that most of the school avoids these freaks and most don;t say anything to them but do give tem dirty looks and ignore them .
He said there is only one boy at the high school and no one likes him, he moved down ehre from Il last year and he hates it down here and wants to go back north to his pals.
He keeps crying hownpeople won;t accept him and yes of course there is a handful of girls who feel sorry for him.