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Seminole gun range's NRA membership rule draws fire (barfer)
orlandosentinel.com ^

Posted on 03/26/2013 5:01:15 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA

Former Cocoa police Chief Eric Liff believes in gun-owner rights, but he resigned from the Seminole County Gun & Archery Association recently because it required him to join the NRA in order to regularly use its shooting range.

Liff said the rule seems particularly wrong because the range sits on 62 acres in Geneva that the association leases from Seminole County for just $10 a month.

He and many other law-enforcement officials don't agree with some National Rifle Association policies, notably the group's support of armor-piercing bullets, dubbed "cop killers."

Liff said he's also concerned that the powerful NRA more often speaks for gun makers, not owners, in Washington. He said he wants the Seminole range to drop its membership requirement.

"I object very strongly to them dictating political policy," said Liff, a Republican. "It's improper."

(Excerpt) Read more at orlandosentinel.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; nra; secondamendment
Good riddance to these clueless cops.

Any cop who doesn't stand with us by definition stands against us.

Eff em.

1 posted on 03/26/2013 5:01:15 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA
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To: Red in Blue PA
Liff said the rule seems particularly wrong because the range sits on 62 acres in Geneva that the association leases from Seminole County for just $10 a month

Better have a rock solid, long term lease or else they'll soon be tossed by a vindictive political class.

2 posted on 03/26/2013 5:06:08 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (Choose one: the yellow and black flag of the Tea Party or the white flag of the Republican Party.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

**** notably the group’s support of armor-piercing bullets, dubbed “cop killers.” ****

Handgun control Inc (The Brady Center) is the cause of this. Police and the NRA used to be close. HCI looked for a way to drive a wedge between these two groups so they came up with the COP KILLER BULLET!

The hard core Teflon coated bullet was never released for public use, but when one box was found on a drug boat, HCI started to scream, then the MSM chimed in.


3 posted on 03/26/2013 5:06:49 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (The murals in OKC are destroyed. :-()
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To: Red in Blue PA
Second Amendment hatred is only to be expected from that "news" paper, which is actually just a leftist extremist propaganda organ.

People who own guns, but don't join—and stand and fight with—the National Rifle Association are freeloaders. Expecting other people to do the work of defending your rights is an all but guaranteed way to lose them.

4 posted on 03/26/2013 5:06:57 PM PDT by Standing Wolf
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To: Red in Blue PA
"armor-piercing bullets"

Aren't those the lead free ones?

5 posted on 03/26/2013 5:15:22 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

I never know they were called Handgun Control Inc.


6 posted on 03/26/2013 5:16:14 PM PDT by matt04
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Every legal deer rifle cartridge will penetrate your standard bullet proof vest.

The NRA correctly identified the camel’s nose and told the Left to pack sand.


7 posted on 03/26/2013 5:25:01 PM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: matt04

Yes, HCI adopted its current name years ago. At least the old name was honest as to the group’s intentions. Now, everything is deliberately vague and “nuanced”.


8 posted on 03/26/2013 5:26:08 PM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: matt04
I never know they were called Handgun Control Inc.

Yes, that was its name for a number of years. Apparently the name was either too accurate or wasn't all-encompassing enough. Here's an FR thread from 2004 on them:

FR thread from 2004

9 posted on 03/26/2013 5:29:31 PM PDT by Bob
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To: Red in Blue PA
He and many other law-enforcement officials don't agree with some National Rifle Association policies, notably the group's support of armor-piercing bullets, dubbed "cop killers."

Oh, please. A standard rifle bullet will pierce personnel armor. What are they wearing, depleted uranium? Besides, if the potentates weren't trying to keep us peasants from wearing armor, they couldn't call it that anyway.

10 posted on 03/26/2013 5:36:23 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Red in Blue PA

The gun club I belong to requires membership in a gun rights organization in order to join. It doesn’t have to be the NRA. It could be GOA, SAF, or any other national, state or local gun rights organization.


11 posted on 03/26/2013 5:37:18 PM PDT by aomagrat (Gun owners who vote for democrats are too stupid to own guns.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

I don’t support the NRA, either. But, not for the reasons this cop cites. I don’t support the NRA because they are too Liberal for my tastes!

I gave up my NRA membership back in 1986 when the NRA let the Hughes Amendment slip through the cracks, and then, convinced Reagan to sign that POS legislation into law.

I’m a proud member of the Gun Owners of America, now.

http://gunowners.org

NRA can kiss my big, fat, hairy ArmaLite butt!

P.S. - FYI, watch the video and you will see how, using chicanery in the middle of the night, Charlie Rangel (acting as the Chairman), bullied the House into passing the Hughes Amendment back in 1986:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6Mx2UcSEvQ


12 posted on 03/26/2013 5:43:10 PM PDT by DoctorBulldog (Obama sucks. End of story.)
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To: SampleMan
Every legal deer rifle cartridge will penetrate your standard bullet proof vest.

This is how intelligent our opponents are. Too often, we think they do not understand firearms.

But, if the "cop killer" theme worked, then they could go after high-power rifle cartridges for the exact same reason.

In fact, as I witnessed 20 years ago in NYC, the media reported a search of an apartment found a "sniper rifle capable of killing a human at over 1 mile". The actual rifle was a Mauser bolt action with a scope.

But, because the apartment was in a high-rise, this man would have been able to shoot New Yorkers a mile away.

We all know this as bull-feces. But, by starting with the "cop killer" theme, this rifle was now capable of killing police over a mile away through their bullet-proof vest.

These people will not stop.

Every ban or law is meant to lead to the next ban or law.

13 posted on 03/26/2013 5:44:48 PM PDT by Erik Latranyi (When religions have to beg the gov't for a waiver, we are already under socialism.)
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To: DoctorBulldog; MarineMom613; Ron C.; wolfman23601; ColdOne; navymom1; Pat4ever; RIghtwardHo; ...

DoctorBulldog says: I don’t support the NRA, either. But, not for the reasons this cop cites. I don’t support the NRA because they are too Liberal for my tastes!

I gave up my NRA membership back in 1986 when the NRA let the Hughes Amendment slip through the cracks, and then, convinced Reagan to sign that POS legislation into law.

I’m a proud member of the Gun Owners of America, now.

http://gunowners.org

NRA can kiss my big, fat, hairy ArmaLite butt!

P.S. - FYI, watch the video and you will see how, using chicanery in the middle of the night, Charlie Rangel (acting as the Chairman), bullied the House into passing the Hughes Amendment back in 1986:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6Mx2UcSEvQ

12 posted on 3/26/2013 5:43:10 PM by DoctorBulldog (Obama sucks. End of story.)


14 posted on 03/26/2013 5:45:05 PM PDT by narses
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To: SampleMan
“Every legal deer rifle cartridge will penetrate your standard bullet proof vest.”

So will virtually any hunting broad head fired from a recurve or compound bow as well as crossbow bolts. A good quality knife will also pierce a kevlar vest as well. The term “Cop Killer Bullet” is just a canard perpetrated by the left to advance their political agenda.

15 posted on 03/26/2013 6:03:34 PM PDT by Polynikes (Hakkaa Palle)
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To: Red in Blue PA

The same membership requirement holds true for the Indian River County range. I wish they would relax the rule to allow membership in any such organization like the 2nd Amendment Sisters as an alternative. They were much more agile when it came to the post-Katrina gun grab.


16 posted on 03/26/2013 6:12:46 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, you've likely misread the situation.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

The NRA never “supported” bullets expressly designed to penetrate body armor. This cop should know better.

What the hoplophobes tried to do is ban any ammo that could penetrate body armor. They knew very well that it would also ban medium and high power rifle cartridges.

The NRA put a stop to it. Any cop that can’t figure out that rationale shouldn’t be wearing a badge, be cause he/she is incapable of independent thought.


17 posted on 03/26/2013 6:18:27 PM PDT by justlurking (tagline removed, as demanded by Admin Moderator)
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To: DoctorBulldog

**** and then, convinced Reagan to sign that POS legislation into law.****

That POS legislation, as you call it, is the reason you can now buy rifles, shotguns and ammo across state lines.

Back in 1968, we were saddled with ban on sales across state lines with that travesty the 1968 Gun Control Law.

The Hughes amendment was put in the legislation as a “Poison Pill” to kill it. It didn’t.


18 posted on 03/26/2013 6:34:33 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (The murals in OKC are destroyed. :-()
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To: Bob
Back in 1981, I found an old release from HCI which claimed they “only wanted to control handguns. Long guns will not be affected.”

Five years later they began singing a different tune demanding bans on semi-auto rifles.

19 posted on 03/26/2013 6:43:00 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (The murals in OKC are destroyed. :-()
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To: Bob

Thanks. I see one of thir goals is/was establishing gun-free zones for schools. A lot of good that has done.


20 posted on 03/26/2013 6:58:47 PM PDT by matt04
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To: matt04

Cops are experts neither on firearms, or the law, for that matter.


21 posted on 03/26/2013 7:17:07 PM PDT by rickomatic
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

I reiterate: POS legislation.

It only partially repealed the 1968 law.

Cheers!


22 posted on 03/26/2013 10:45:37 PM PDT by DoctorBulldog (Obama sucks. End of story.)
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To: DoctorBulldog

****POS Legislation***

You would rather have the full weight of the 1968 GCL still on you, when you could not buy ANY modern firearm across state lines, no ammo, no imports of bolt action army surplus rifles and handguns?

True we did not get all back but we got more back than the Dems wanted. That is why they tried to kill it.


23 posted on 03/27/2013 6:58:59 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (The murals in OKC are destroyed. :-()
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

I would rather the ENTIRE unconstitutional 1968 gun control legislation have been repealed.

The 1986 law DID NOT do that.

There is no compromise when it comes to my right Rights.

Also, the Hughes Amendment FAILED the electronic votes on the House Floor, yet was inserted anyway.

The NRA knew that, yet they kept pushing the Senate and Reagan into passing and signing it into law.

What? You think I wasn’t paying attention to all of this back in 1986? I had cable and watched C-Span all the time. I watched ALL of the proceedings concerning that bill. And, I read ALL the newspapers I could get my hands on during that time. The NRA was pushing it, big time! Yet, they “compromised.”

I don’t compromise.

The House, the Senate, and Reagan compromised. They DID NOT have to compromise. They could have easily repealed the ENTIRE 1968 law. But, yet, they refused to do so and decided to write new legislation which then opened the doors to the Hughes Amendment and to Charlie Rangel’s criminal conduct in inserting an amendment AFTER it had already been voted down.

That’s why I dropped my NRA membership. And, that’s why I say the 1986 gun law is a POS.

So, you and all the others can just go ahead and keep justifying to yourselves how great that 1986 law was and all just because it gave you a few orts to eat, along with a poison pill, when you could have just as easily enjoyed a full course meal with the FULL REPEAL of the 1968 gun control law! I don’t care.

Enjoy your orts and poison pill.

Cheers!


24 posted on 03/27/2013 9:18:05 AM PDT by DoctorBulldog (Obama sucks. End of story.)
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