Posted on 03/27/2013 7:22:25 AM PDT by HogsBreath
SIR – The Archbishop of Canterbury and his bishops are doing their job when they show concern about child poverty. But where do they imagine that the money will come from to solve this problem? The country is effectively bust and, despite the efforts of the Government, is having to borrow ever more to enable us to continue to live beyond our means. Our current welfare costs are among those contributing to mounting debt that will blight the lives of our children and their children. Every pound that the taxpayer spends on services to the population makes it harder for the wealth-producing activities to function, and this puts us on a downward spiral to a Third World economy.
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Because relecting Labour, after they had ruined the UK over 13 years, was the worst option. Cameron may not be much, but the alternative.....god no.
BTW, I support his attacks on the EDL. As British freepers have tried to tell you here on FR, the EDL are not heroes. They are a bunch of right wing thugs. Too many Freepers see them as great, brave British patriots fightin’ the muzzies.
The EDL are NOT the answer. And I am telling you that as a Brit, a patriot, a conservative, and an ex-military man.
You want to support Britain?. Support UKIP or even the Tories.
In November 2012, David Coburn of UKIP’s National Executive Committee clarified the party’s policies and positions with regard to LGBT issues. The party fully supports the existing concept of civil partnerships. Coburn stated, “UKIP’s stance on gay marriage is simple: we entirely, wholeheartedly support equal rights for couples regardless of their sexuality and we believe this has been achieved through the introduction of civil partnerships, which UKIP supported.”[38] The party is not in support of Government proposals for full same-sex marriage. This is on the basis that such a change in the law could mean that religious faith groups, and places of worship (be it a church, synagogue or mosque, etc.) could be forced to perform a marriage that is incompatible with their religious beliefs.[citation needed]
From Wikipedia. Actually I support this. A reognized “Domestic Partnership” Leave the definition of what constitutes a marriage up to the churches and take it out of politics.
What is their position on firearms?
Amen brother!
Sorry my reply is a mess, tried to post it more cleanly, but...
That’s ok.
Iget the point. I profusely apologize for my earlier attacks. My fingers were working without a brain.
Without an England (Magna Carta, Simon de Montford, English :Common
Law) there would be no America. As a matter of fact about every June 15th I post a link to the Magna Carta here
“They are a bunch of right wing thugs”
Wow. You sound a little like Chris Matthews here. Please, tell us what exactly makes the EDL a ‘right wing’ organization (bearing in mind this is a ‘right wing’ website, so the insult is a little misplaced). As right wing is a push for smaller government, perhaps you can inform us when it comes to the EDLs well developed policy positions on economics and other issues the ‘right wing’ care about. From what I’ve seen, the EDL is mostly made up of lower class Brits who are forced to live with Muslim scum, and lower class voters in fact tend to vote for Labour.
You appear to have been sucked in by the slime-covered rags that the UK calls ‘newspapers’ and the British Broadcast Communists. Don’t worry though. When ordinary people in this country got together to stand up against the government’s policies, we were branded ‘right wing thugs’ too, and I’m sure we were a hell of a lot more right wing than a one-issue street protest movement, the only ones willing to say anything about the Islamization of Europe, while UKIP and the pathetic excuse for ‘conservatives’ you have sit on their hands.
If you have a thing against the right wing, you probably belong on Democrat Underground.
By right wing, I mean extreme right wing.
I am ‘right wing’ myself: conservative, leaning towards UKIP. Eurosceptic, anti-immigration etc.
I am sucked into nothing. I am actually British, I have seen the EDL in action, I know their background. Unlike you, who sits 3000 miles away. And its no coincidence that the other British Freepers all oppose the EDL (also no coincidence that the EDL-lovers on FR are all Americans): winniesboy, Vanders etc.
We Limey freepers are all conservative, anti-immigration (or at least anti unrestricted immigration) and in some cases ex-military. Yet we all dislike the EDL. That might tell you something. So, you can try and call us liberals or whatever. Dhimmis or whatever phrase you like. BUT this is a group in OUR country, not yours. How arrogant to tell us we are wrong about a group in our own country.
Do you want to know WHY we dont like them?. Simple. They are a group at the borderline, if not over the borderline. They have links to both organised football hooligan groups, and extreme British white power/neo-nazi groups like Combat 18. Their hierarchy and many of their followers have convictions for violence. Their leader, Steven Lennon, who is a hero to some here on FR, is a convicted thug with at least one conviction for assaulting a police officer.
And given the above, the EDL has questionable attitudes to blacks, asians and Jews. Blacks are not welcome in the EDL, they have one Asian member of note, and I am not aware of any jewish, gay, sikh, hindu members. So this is not a true UK group of patriots. Frankly, its the National Front and BNP with some smooth edges.
The EDL is not, not even remotely close, to being a British tea party group, as some deluded Freepers think. There seems to be this frankly ludicrous idea that Steven Lennon and the EDL are heroes ‘cos they is standin’ up to the muzzies. That they is the real British patriots, and anyone who dislikes them is just a wimp or a liberal and aint no real Brit.
Horse*hit.
(btw, I am sure the KKK hates Muslims. Does that make them patriotic heroes to most Americans here?.)
We who are actually British (freepers)KNOW the EDL. We know it better than people here. We know its background and its links. If it was a genuinely good group, we’d support it. But the EDL are not heroes, they are a group that in fact will HARM the very real and very necessary problems that Britain has with extreme Islam and with immigration, multiculturalism etc.
You want to support the UK, support a real conservative group that will try to right the wrongs of multiculturalism and social engineering?. Support UKIP.
Don’t let ZULU’s ignorance get to you.
I am an American of Scottish descent (specifically Ulster Scot) that is proud to stand with Britain.
Gorgeous George and Red Ken notwithstanding. ;-)
Not true. The Brits are perhaps our greatest allies and are true friends of America.
I, for one, will continue to support them publically.
LOL
Its ok, Zulu have kissed and made up.
As a Briton, I am proud to stand with America.
Thank you.
ZULA has no personal recollection of 1918 or 1942, he knows what he learned in school and from the popular media. That US forces learned modern maneuver warfare from the British 8th Army was very well known to those Americans deployed to North Africa, but World War II may as well be the Battle of Hastings so far as American schools are concerned. That U-235 could support uncontrolled fission was a discovery made at Birmingham University and communicated by the Brits to the US? American students don't study physics, much less the history of physics.
I know more about history than you do, and here are differing opinions on the subjects broached by experts.
And its ZULU, not ZULA, jerk, from the movie on Roarke's Drift - the one with the British Actors.
Did you ever hear of Roarke's Drift, jerk? Do you even know what a “drift” is? So, jerk, don't accuse me of being an historical ignoramus.
By the way, I detect a bit of racism in your posts. Sorry to disappoint, but I'm NOT black.
Again, you provide zero evidence as to why the EDL are an ‘extreme right wing’ group. An extreme right wing group would be similar to Tim McVeigh, hardcore libertarian or anarchist. The EDL are a one-issue protest movement, seeking to protest against Islamic occupation. Are they violent? Yes. So what? I don’t recall any stories about them killing anybody, and its not as if the people they face off against (UAF thugs and communist agitators) are exactly ‘peaceful’. They’ve assaulted police. This is the same police that cover up Muslim pedophile gangs? Yeah, I’d probably want to assault them too.
If you don’t like what the EDL do, fine, but don’t pretend that UKIP or any other mainstream political group is committed to tackling the Islamic problem, because UKIP pussy out whenever the issue is raised, a shame, because there was a time when they did talk about it. I’ll acknowledge however, that many of their members do still see it as a top priority, but the leadership is too cowardly to face the issue head on, because they know the media will come after them.
I can see where you’re coming from. 7/7 doesn’t seem to have had a lasting impact on Britain or people’s attitude towards the cult of death that is Islam, but Americans remember 9/11 as if it was yesterday, so yes, for us no group could be worse than Abu Qatada’s congregation and his supporters in your government. And just remember, Muslims bred and raised in YOUR country, have then gone to Afghanistan and fought with the enemy to kill our soldiers. So perhaps the other posters you mention just want Europe to be rid of Islam, and they don’t care if its done through violence or through other methods. Something to consider.
What a gracious post. Thank you for making it.
Me too and I love the Brits (and Aussies). But their generalship really sucked in WW1 almost as bad as the French generalship. Frontal attacks into machine guns? Really? Millions of brave men died because of ignorant generals.
Opps post 57 was for you too.
Do research and the links between the EDL and the BNP/even worse groups are pretty easy to find. I have been on FR for years, and anyone who reads me knows I dont post accusations.
You may not care they are violent, I do. Firstly, extreme Islam can be combatted without violence on the streets. Secondly, many in the EDL are frankly racist, and dont like anyone who isnt white. So any Muslim is fair game. And Einsteins like that of course usually dont care if the ‘Muslim’ they assault is actually a Sikh or Hindu or even Christian. Thirdly, any violence rather obviously is counterproductive. Its manna from heaven for the left, who will use it to label all of us who are concerned about Islam and immigration as racists. Such leftwing labels may, in fact would, have political consequences, which would weaken a strong stance.
You also seem none too bothered about the assaulting of police, again I DO.
As to Sept 11th and July 7th, perhaps we see those attacks, esp the latter, as yet another enemy. One in a long line of terrorists, from the IRA of 1916 to today, from the Irgun/Stern jewish gangs in 40’s Palestine to the leftwing Angry Brigade of 70’s London, to today and extreme Islam.
Groups to combat, groups to be concerned about, but not a group to get too hysterical about. There are always and sadly always wiil be terrorists and extremists.
Abu Qatada has no supporters in govt!. For heavens sake, this govt is trying to get rid of him, only to stopped by the courts.
Muslims born and bred in the US have killed US/UK soldiers as well. dont sit too easily on that high horse.
‘So perhaps the other posters you mention just want Europe to be rid of Islam, and they don’t care if its done through violence or through other methods. Something to consider.’
If the EDL was a genuine patriot/anti-extremist islam group, with people from all groups, with a peaceful but strong ideology, then that would be just super. But they arent.
As I said, I and many others on the right, do not consider the EDL to be people to be supported or admired. And the idea therefore that because we do, we arent real Brits is bunkum.
Myth.
The idea of ‘lions led by donkeys’ is a myth. And one thankfully being challenged by a younger generation of historians.
Yes, mistakes were made.
But look at the real history and away from the myth, and you see, despite mistakes, the British generals were far more capable and inventive than the supposed history makes them out to be.
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