Skip to comments.Benjamin Crump: Judge, don't make me answer questions from George Zimmerman's lawyers
Posted on 03/27/2013 10:34:44 AM PDT by Uncle ChipEdited on 03/27/2013 11:55:39 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
Benjamin Crump, the attorney for Trayvon Martin's family, has filed new paperwork, saying there's no valid reason for a judge to reverse herself and order him to answer defense attorneys' questions in the George Zimmerman murder case.
On Feb, 22, Circuit Judge Debra S. Nelson rejected defense attorneys' initial request, agreeing with Crump that he was not at the scene of the shooting and could provide no material details.
(Excerpt) Read more at orlandosentinel.com ...
Benjamin Crump’s “Judge, don’t make me answer questions from George Zimmerman’s lawyers” Response to Defense Motion
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Heavens no. That might open the door to reveal the sham this whole (looks like my kid[saint trayvon the martyr] would if I had one) circus is. Send in the clowns. Oh, wait. They’re already here. But, since Zimmerman isn’t black, I guess it’s not really injustice. You know, white priviledge and all. Well, Zimmerman surely doesn’t sound hispanic.
He knows what’s on line for him if he’s caught making perjurious statements.
A man on trial should be allowed to face his accusers. This is a total sham trial.
If Dee Dee is not deposed or refuses to testify there is judicial complicity to the Kangaroo Court.
And yes, this includes a lying Prosecutor.
I wonder how many people considered their federal, state, and local governments illegitimate in the 1940s, 1950s, 1980s, or 1990s. Today, I would guess a large and growing number consider many levels of government illegitimate. This prosecution witch hunt is just one of many ways in which today’s immoral governments disgust me.
Looks like you are between a rock and a hard place, Benjamin.
I’m thinking Mark Omara knows something......
>>>Also, she told Assistant State Attorney Bernie de la Rionda under oath that she had missed Trayvon’s wake and funeral because she was in the hospital.
Two weeks ago during her deposition she admitted the misstatements and told defense attorneys that both times, Trayvon’s mother was sitting next to her and that’s the reason she said she had been in the hospital.<<<
What? Trayvon’s mother was sitting next to DD when she gave a statement to the prosecution? Classic waiver. Mom and DA should be deposed.
for the lawyer yes, the judge needs to be thrown off the bench as well.
One Kangaroo to another...
They've cancelled the April 2nd hearing even though they have several Motions before the court, with DeeDee's video deposition pending, Crump's deposition under reconsideration, the witness lists due today, Witness 8 showing up on the defense witness list, aaaannnndddd Judge Nelson's unexplained mysterious absence for 5 hours on Wednesday 13th from 9:00 to 2:00 when she knew that the most important deposition of the case was to take place and she was supposed to be on call but the prosecution successfully stalled for 5 hours.
I hope O'Mara isn't being strong-armed into a deal of some kind.
We're waiting for the show to start.
I suspect Corey was appointed by Rick Scott with instructions to “convict Zimmerman of SOMETHING”. She has to know the case against Zimmerman is thin to non-existent but it doesn’t seem to matter. Even though I normally vote Republican I will never vote for Rick Scott and I’ve told him so in an email. Zimmerman should end up a rich man after all of this shakes out.
In the first line of his Response, Crump describes himself as “non party”. If this means in legalese what it means in common sense, he has eliminated the Judge’s original excuse for letting him slide (i.e., that Crump MIGHT represent the Martin family in litigation they MIGHT file some day). If I read his Response with sufficient care, nowhere does Crump claim to represent the Martins or anyone else.
If Crump does if fact represent the Martins, Witness 8, or others in this case, the Judge should require him to present a signed agreement as evidence thereof. If Crump does present such evidence, and it shows a contingency fee arrangement for a future lawsuit (and it would, since the Martin’s have no $), then Crump has a financial motive to create the evidence, which further taints it.
I wish O’Mara would quit being coy and plainly state to the Court that his client has a right to pursue all reasonable lines of defense; that one of them is that testimony material to the charging GZ was manufactured, for either political, financial, or personal motives, with substantial and notorious involvement of Mr. Benjamin Crump; and that the defense has every right and reason to depose him about the circumstances under which he “developed” that testimony. Crump is the only person in possession of the full facts and is necessary to an effective defense.
O’Mara needs to bring the case more out in the media. If he cannot personally do so...bring someone in who can
The fact that de la Ronda refused the defense to record the deposition of DeeDee....tells me the prosecution is in major trouble. All depos are now video taped these days
"The reason Witness 8 gave for lying to Mr. Crump was that Trayvon Martin's mother, Sybrina Fulton, was present during the interview. Similarly, Witness 8 stated that she told Mr. de la Rionda the same lie because during Mr. de la Rionda's sworn interview of Witness 8, for unknown reasons, Ms. Sybrina Fulton was sitting next to her, and Witness 8 similarly felt the need to deceive as to the reason for not going to the wake or funeral."
Is Witness 8 saying that Sybrina was present with her on the other end of the phone during the interview or what???
Because Ben Crump in his affidavit states that Sybrina was with him on his end of the phone -- not the other end.
This really needs to be sorted out because if Sybrina was with DeeDee on her end of the phone, then it seems that we may have another Crump lie under oath.
Defendant’s Reply to Crumps Judge, dont make me answer questions from George Zimmermans lawyers Response
“Is Witness 8 saying that Sybrina was present with her on the other end of the phone during the interview or what???”
Your proposed contradiction would be great, but my guess is that Sybrina Fulton was sitting with Crump, and hearing what W8 said via the speakerphone. Crump probably made a big deal of introducing Trayvon’s distressed mother over the phone. His manipulation game worked, since W8 admits lying because Mrs. Fulton was “there”.
What it says is that DeeDee didn't want to get on the bad side of Sybrina.
Sybrina's connection to her -- Trayvon -- was over.
What would she care about what Sybrina thought of her anymore??? She wasn't going to be her mother in law --
There is more here though because Sybrina had some kind of hold over her.
Sybrina worked for the Department of Housing. DeeDee's mother probably lived in one of the housing units that Sybrina's department oversaw.
Was DeeDee afraid that she and her mother would lose their housing subsidy if they got on Sabrina's badside???
What else did she say to stay off of Sybrina's badside???
I think defense counsel pretty well knows that Mr. Crump's purpose in contacting Dee Dee was not to have her tell him what happened, but rather to have him tell her what "happened". I don't think the purpose of the deposition is to get the truth from him, but rather to put his lies on the record.
The state has no evidence whatsoever outside the testimony of a witness whose reliability so well shot that any reasonable juror would find reason to believe that she might be lying [and would thus have to acquit]. Unfortunately, because some jurors are unreasonable, GZ would risk a hung jury unless his attorneys can establish on the record that her testimony on certain matters has been sufficiently tampered with, by persons hostile to GZ, as to be unreliable.
I suspect that the best prospect for a "peaceful" resolution would be for the case to go to trial but for Witness Eight to refuse to show up for so long that the judge has no choice but to throw out the case, extending out continuances long enough that mobs shift their ire to Witness Eight [even those blinded by race hatred would probably recognize that the state couldn't proceed without Witness Eight; they might want the state to push for continuances for while in the hope of managing to bring her in, but eventually I think they'd want the trial to be over and done with]. Too bad there's no way GZ's attorneys can plan on such a resolution, since it would save everyone a lot of time and money.
Regardless whether Sybrina was sitting next to Witness 8 or next to Benjamin Crump when the statement was given: they knowingly waived confidentiality by her presence, and both Sybrina and Crump can be deposed.
“I hope O’Mara isn’t being strong-armed into a deal of some kind.”
Looks to me lke he’s chipping away at all their credibility piece by piece. By the time this gets to trial (if it does) the prosecution won’t have much of a case.
I am not aware of evidence that W8 or her family live in HUD housing, or that Sybrina would be in a position to threaten HUD residents. But who knows?
Witness 8 has certainly seemed to be reluctant to be involved. My guess is that TM said things to W8 that indicated his intent to confront or go after GZ, and that she would rather remain silent. Contrary to negative stereotypes of hateful, threatening beasts, in my experience black women are generally very caring and sympathetic, especially when a family death is involved. Many blacks generally live in a tough world, and react sharply and defensively to repel perceived threats (example: Trayvon perceives GZ as a threat, so he attacks him preemptively). I don’t see threats as a good way to get sympathetic testimony. Absent evidence otherwise, my 100% idle speculation is that Crump used sympathy to push W8 into shaping the story his way, then has her trapped into staying the course. It is imperative to depose Crump, and anyone else involved in communicating with W8 (Tracy Martin? the other Scheme lawyers?), and obtain the full recordings of the “interview”, to flush out how the tampering occured. That accomplished, W8 might be forced to admit the larger truth.
In way of explanation — My comment you put in italics was meant to counter Crump’s assertion that the defense could learn all it needed by deposing others. I agree with your larger assessment. The State has such a weak case that it knew a grand jury would not even indict GZ. Now that W8’s testimony is worth zip, they have nothing but prejudicial speculation (profiling! racism! hates thieves!).
In other news:
REGARDING THE NEXT HEARING DATE IN THE ZIMMERMAN CASE
ON 28 MARCH 2013.
On Monday, March 25, the Court canceled the hearing previously scheduled on April 2. The Court did not consult with the defense before canceling the hearing. As there are only 74 days until trial, and as there are Motions before the Court, we hope to appear before the Judge for pending matters before the next hearing currently scheduled for April 30.
ORDER DENYING DEFENDANT’S MOTION FOR RECONSIDERATION AND CLARIFICATION OF THE COURT’S ORDER DATED MARCH 4, 2013
ON 28 MARCH 2013.
Wow — I actually had foolish hope that the Judge would be irritated by Crump’s lying, but apparently BGA’s have immunity. No need for pesky hearings and such. Proceed to sentencing.
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