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Benjamin Crump: Judge, don't make me answer questions from George Zimmerman's lawyers
The Orlando Sentinel ^ | March 27, 2013 | Rene Stutzman

Posted on 03/27/2013 10:34:44 AM PDT by Uncle Chip

Edited on 03/27/2013 11:55:39 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

Benjamin Crump, the attorney for Trayvon Martin's family, has filed new paperwork, saying there's no valid reason for a judge to reverse herself and order him to answer defense attorneys' questions in the George Zimmerman murder case.

On Feb, 22, Circuit Judge Debra S. Nelson rejected defense attorneys' initial request, agreeing with Crump that he was not at the scene of the shooting and could provide no material details.


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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: trayvonmartin; zimmerman
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To: Uncle Chip

“Is Witness 8 saying that Sybrina was present with her on the other end of the phone during the interview or what???”

Your proposed contradiction would be great, but my guess is that Sybrina Fulton was sitting with Crump, and hearing what W8 said via the speakerphone. Crump probably made a big deal of introducing Trayvon’s distressed mother over the phone. His manipulation game worked, since W8 admits lying because Mrs. Fulton was “there”.


21 posted on 03/27/2013 2:44:33 PM PDT by Chewbarkah
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To: Chewbarkah
His manipulation game worked, since W8 admits lying because Mrs. Fulton was “there”.

What it says is that DeeDee didn't want to get on the bad side of Sybrina.

But why???

Sybrina's connection to her -- Trayvon -- was over.

What would she care about what Sybrina thought of her anymore??? She wasn't going to be her mother in law --

There is more here though because Sybrina had some kind of hold over her.

Sybrina worked for the Department of Housing. DeeDee's mother probably lived in one of the housing units that Sybrina's department oversaw.

Was DeeDee afraid that she and her mother would lose their housing subsidy if they got on Sabrina's badside???

What else did she say to stay off of Sybrina's badside???

22 posted on 03/27/2013 3:08:21 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Chewbarkah
Crump is the only person in possession of the full facts and is necessary to an effective defense.

I think defense counsel pretty well knows that Mr. Crump's purpose in contacting Dee Dee was not to have her tell him what happened, but rather to have him tell her what "happened". I don't think the purpose of the deposition is to get the truth from him, but rather to put his lies on the record.

The state has no evidence whatsoever outside the testimony of a witness whose reliability so well shot that any reasonable juror would find reason to believe that she might be lying [and would thus have to acquit]. Unfortunately, because some jurors are unreasonable, GZ would risk a hung jury unless his attorneys can establish on the record that her testimony on certain matters has been sufficiently tampered with, by persons hostile to GZ, as to be unreliable.

I suspect that the best prospect for a "peaceful" resolution would be for the case to go to trial but for Witness Eight to refuse to show up for so long that the judge has no choice but to throw out the case, extending out continuances long enough that mobs shift their ire to Witness Eight [even those blinded by race hatred would probably recognize that the state couldn't proceed without Witness Eight; they might want the state to push for continuances for while in the hope of managing to bring her in, but eventually I think they'd want the trial to be over and done with]. Too bad there's no way GZ's attorneys can plan on such a resolution, since it would save everyone a lot of time and money.

23 posted on 03/27/2013 4:05:52 PM PDT by supercat (Renounce Covetousness.)
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To: Chewbarkah; Uncle Chip

Regardless whether Sybrina was sitting next to Witness 8 or next to Benjamin Crump when the statement was given: they knowingly waived confidentiality by her presence, and both Sybrina and Crump can be deposed.


24 posted on 03/27/2013 9:27:07 PM PDT by reagandemocrat
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To: Uncle Chip

“I hope O’Mara isn’t being strong-armed into a deal of some kind.”

Looks to me lke he’s chipping away at all their credibility piece by piece. By the time this gets to trial (if it does) the prosecution won’t have much of a case.


25 posted on 03/28/2013 3:53:24 AM PDT by V_TWIN (obama=where there's smoke, there's mirrors)
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To: Uncle Chip

I am not aware of evidence that W8 or her family live in HUD housing, or that Sybrina would be in a position to threaten HUD residents. But who knows?

Witness 8 has certainly seemed to be reluctant to be involved. My guess is that TM said things to W8 that indicated his intent to confront or go after GZ, and that she would rather remain silent. Contrary to negative stereotypes of hateful, threatening beasts, in my experience black women are generally very caring and sympathetic, especially when a family death is involved. Many blacks generally live in a tough world, and react sharply and defensively to repel perceived threats (example: Trayvon perceives GZ as a threat, so he attacks him preemptively). I don’t see threats as a good way to get sympathetic testimony. Absent evidence otherwise, my 100% idle speculation is that Crump used sympathy to push W8 into shaping the story his way, then has her trapped into staying the course. It is imperative to depose Crump, and anyone else involved in communicating with W8 (Tracy Martin? the other Scheme lawyers?), and obtain the full recordings of the “interview”, to flush out how the tampering occured. That accomplished, W8 might be forced to admit the larger truth.


26 posted on 03/28/2013 6:36:47 AM PDT by Chewbarkah
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To: supercat

In way of explanation — My comment you put in italics was meant to counter Crump’s assertion that the defense could learn all it needed by deposing others. I agree with your larger assessment. The State has such a weak case that it knew a grand jury would not even indict GZ. Now that W8’s testimony is worth zip, they have nothing but prejudicial speculation (profiling! racism! hates thieves!).


27 posted on 03/28/2013 7:06:38 AM PDT by Chewbarkah
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To: Chewbarkah

In other news:

REGARDING THE NEXT HEARING DATE IN THE ZIMMERMAN CASE
ON 28 MARCH 2013.

On Monday, March 25, the Court canceled the hearing previously scheduled on April 2. The Court did not consult with the defense before canceling the hearing. As there are only 74 days until trial, and as there are Motions before the Court, we hope to appear before the Judge for pending matters before the next hearing currently scheduled for April 30.

http://gzlegalcase.com/index.php/press-releases/131-regarding-the-next-hearing-date-in-the-zimmerman-case


28 posted on 03/28/2013 7:17:38 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Chewbarkah

ORDER DENYING DEFENDANT’S MOTION FOR RECONSIDERATION AND CLARIFICATION OF THE COURT’S ORDER DATED MARCH 4, 2013

ON 28 MARCH 2013.

http://www.gzdocs.com/documents/0313/order_denying_reconsideration.pdf

DENIED —


29 posted on 03/28/2013 9:27:43 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

Wow — I actually had foolish hope that the Judge would be irritated by Crump’s lying, but apparently BGA’s have immunity. No need for pesky hearings and such. Proceed to sentencing.


30 posted on 03/28/2013 10:01:55 AM PDT by Chewbarkah
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