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Russia to ban cash transactions over $10,000
Russia Behind the Headlines ^ | March 26, 2013 | Viktor Kuzmin

Posted on 03/27/2013 11:43:55 AM PDT by grumpygresh

Russia may ban cash payments for purchases of more than 300,000 rubles (around $10,000) starting in 2015. The move is expected to boost banks’ cash reserves and put a damper on Russia’s shadow economy. However, the middle class will most likely end up having to pay the price for the scheme....Given the substantial criminal activity and illegal entrepreneurship, the grey and black economies account for 50–65 percent of GDP. Even former Central Bank Chief Sergey Ignatyev had to admit that about $50 billion was taken out of Russia illegally in 2012 alone.

(Excerpt) Read more at rbth.ru ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Russia
KEYWORDS: cash; russia; russiacurrency
The noose is tightening on individuals everywhere. All transactions must be monitored by governments in preparation for a one world monetary system. The totalitarians desperately need fiat digital currency to defeat alternative currencies such as precious metals and bitcoin.
1 posted on 03/27/2013 11:43:55 AM PDT by grumpygresh
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To: grumpygresh

COMING SOON to a peoples republic near you!


2 posted on 03/27/2013 11:47:00 AM PDT by azcap (Who is John Galt ? www.conservativeshirts.com)
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To: grumpygresh
Somebody needs to buy a 3-acre island in the Pacific, found a country and start minting a sound universal currency.

When banksters start jumping from rooftops you'll know the new currency is working.

3 posted on 03/27/2013 11:47:18 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("Somebody has to be courageous enough to stand up to the bullies." --Dr. Ben Carson)
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To: grumpygresh
"Given the substantial criminal activity and illegal entrepreneurship, the grey and black economies account for 50–65 percent of GDP."

Well, no. GDP does not include the grey and black economies: ∴ they cannot "account for" any percentage of GDP. They could total as much as 50-65 percent of GDP -- but, that would be an estimate, not the known quantity the sentence implies.
4 posted on 03/27/2013 11:54:23 AM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
"When banksters start jumping from rooftops Hellfire missile is incoming, you'll know the new currency is working."
5 posted on 03/27/2013 11:56:40 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

> ...start minting a sound universal currency.

Hmm... Bitcoin:

What Is Bitcoin and What Can I Do With It?

http://lifehacker.com/5991523/what-is-bitcoin-and-what-can-i-do-with-it?tag=ask-lifehacker


6 posted on 03/27/2013 11:56:58 AM PDT by Jyotishi (Seeking the truth, a fact at a time.)
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To: grumpygresh

Cash transactions in the US over $10,000 have required special forms to be filed by the receiving party for well over a decade. This was to combat the Cocaine Cowboys of the ‘80’s. They’d regularly buy cars with cash.


7 posted on 03/27/2013 12:00:19 PM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: grumpygresh

Ok, put it on lay away and split the cash payments.


8 posted on 03/27/2013 12:02:24 PM PDT by bgill
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To: azcap

This can never happen in the US because Obama is not a socialist-communist-Marxist-Muslim control freak and also because he did not tell the Russian leadership that he’ll have more freedom to do things once he gets elected to a second term.


9 posted on 03/27/2013 12:03:14 PM PDT by Jyotishi (Seeking the truth, a fact at a time.)
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To: grumpygresh
Most people don't realize that large cash transactions have to be reported to the government here as well. Back in my college days I worked in car dealership and you would sometimes get “shady” characters come in and want to buy a $20,000 car with a wad of cash, most quickly left went told about the reporting requirement. One sales manager even got fired because he tried to slip a sale through by breaking into multiple smaller increments to avoid the reporting requirement, which I understand is a really big no-no and could have opened him and dealership up to money laundering charges.
10 posted on 03/27/2013 12:03:53 PM PDT by apillar
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Somebody needs to buy a 3-acre island in the Pacific, found a country and start minting a sound universal currency.

Such an economic terrorist would very quickly get to test the soundness of his currency against that of an existing currency backed by the full faith and credit of the United States Marine Corps. :)

11 posted on 03/27/2013 12:06:58 PM PDT by Mr. Jeeves (CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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To: grumpygresh
Ahh, yes, I’ll have nine transactions for $9,500. I’ll pay cash. Will that be a problem? Didn’t think so.
12 posted on 03/27/2013 12:09:26 PM PDT by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: grumpygresh

I’ve started to do transactions in cash. Everything I can.

I even pay my lawyer in cash.

Because of the gubmint seizing cash, I have great records of where my cash came from.

Just because.


13 posted on 03/27/2013 12:11:11 PM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (RINOS like Romney, McCain, Dole are sure losers. No more!)
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To: apillar
Most people don't realize that large cash transactions have to be reported to the government here as well.

It's a big step from reporting to banning.
14 posted on 03/27/2013 12:14:24 PM PDT by yorkiemom
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To: Gen.Blather
Cash transactions in the US over $10,000 have required special forms to be filed by the receiving party for well over a decade.

Not true. Closed my MM acct. (more than $10K ) with a cash withdrawal four (4) years ago. ONLY had to write a check to myself.
Made a cash deposit over $10K a few months ago, didn't even have to fill out a deposit slip...the bank did that for me.

15 posted on 03/27/2013 12:20:33 PM PDT by Roccus
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Keep dreaming. The definition of money is "a means of exchange".

I didn't see anybody whipping out gold bars to buy non-existent gas and groceries after any recent natural disaster.

16 posted on 03/27/2013 12:36:39 PM PDT by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: yorkiemom
It's a big step from reporting to banning.

No, reporting is is one of the initial steps. Banning is only one step away.

17 posted on 03/27/2013 12:39:03 PM PDT by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: Roccus
Made a cash deposit over $10K a few months ago, didn't even have to fill out a deposit slip...the bank did that for me.

The transaction was nonetheless reported and you were captured on video.

Any bank not reporting that would be in danger of losing its charter. Your bank did not risk that.

18 posted on 03/27/2013 12:41:38 PM PDT by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: grumpygresh

The underground economy is an old Russian tradition going back to the Soviet Union, if not before. It was called living “na levo” or “on the side.” It was more than a way of life, it was a means of survival. You want to see your doctor when you need to see him? Build him a deck on his dacha. You need the lumber for the deck? Give the guy at the lumber yard a few bottles of vodka to look the other way while the lumber disappeared. Most of the concrete trucks headed from the cement plant to the big state project arrived with less than half their original load. The rest became garage floors and whatever else.

Of course, you had to make sure the authorities turned a blind eye to all of this. So you take care of the cop/KGB man in the apartment complex. The rise of the “Russian mafia” was no surprise, it was the KGB and they were getting their cut of the underground economy all along. All they did was discard the letters and uniforms, their practices didn’t change.

The average Russian will laugh at this latest edict as he laughed at all of the same attempts of the USSR to curb his lifestyle. Nothing will change.


19 posted on 03/27/2013 12:46:33 PM PDT by henkster (I have one more cow than my neighbor. I am a kulak.)
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To: elkfersupper
But as the receiving party on my withdrawal, I was not required to do anything. What the bank must do on my deposit is not my problem. I can prove where the money came from should the IRS come knocking.
20 posted on 03/27/2013 12:48:53 PM PDT by Roccus
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To: elkfersupper
I didn't see anybody whipping out gold bars to buy non-existent gas and groceries after any recent natural disaster.

If the gas and groceries were "non-existent," whipping out any currency would have had the same result.

21 posted on 03/27/2013 1:08:04 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("Somebody has to be courageous enough to stand up to the bullies." --Dr. Ben Carson)
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To: elkfersupper

Re-read my post.


22 posted on 03/27/2013 1:38:31 PM PDT by yorkiemom
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To: elkfersupper

What I meant was - I didn’t say they wouldn’t consider banning here at all. But that it IS a big step away that we may not get to.

But yes, just like gun control - once they know where all the guns are via a forced registration, then it is easier to confiscate them.

I have no doubt Obama et. al. are drooling at the thought of confiscating our savings after watching Cyprus get away with it. I think they’d rather just steal our money in savings accounts and 401ks and skip the step of monitoring who is spending what.


23 posted on 03/27/2013 1:43:53 PM PDT by yorkiemom
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To: Roccus

It’s the bank that has to do the reporting. So it is even more under-handed because it is done without our consent.


24 posted on 03/27/2013 1:45:13 PM PDT by yorkiemom
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To: TheThirdRuffian
I’ve started to do transactions in cash. Everything I can.

Congrats. I've been doing that for years. I value my privacy. Digital transactions are stored in databases and spied by others. As for safety, friends of mine have had their accounts compromised by digital thieves and identity theft. Transfer money to relatives and friends by purchasing things for them, totally legal (keep it under 5 figures), that they would have had to purchase themselves. It should not be anyone's business how you spend your money. Haven't paid my lawyers in cash yet, interesting idea.

25 posted on 03/27/2013 2:42:25 PM PDT by roadcat
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To: yorkiemom

“I have no doubt Obama et. al. are drooling at the thought of confiscating our savings after watching Cyprus get away with it. I think they’d rather just steal our money in savings accounts and 401ks and skip the step of monitoring who is spending what.”

Forced conversion of pension plans to treasuries would precipitate a major market collapse almost instantly. All those pension plans would have to liquidate their holdings of stocks and bonds which would result in a massive sell-off and market closure. The private sector would be deprived of capital and the economy would seize up. No doubt, panic would spread with a run on bank deposits. Banks would close, and so would ATMs and EBT cards; riots to follow.

So perhaps, outright confiscation of accounts without conversion to treasuries would be more feasible. It’s just a wealth transfer from the rich to the uber-rich elites. That seems to be the point of the Cyprus experiment.


26 posted on 03/27/2013 7:19:01 PM PDT by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Aren’t you glad the Russians stick up for free enterprise? /s

[snicker]

Thanks grumpygresh.


27 posted on 03/27/2013 7:55:18 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: grumpygresh

I had to buy a new car in 2008 in Russia’s official Nissan dealership. I first offered them a payment via bank but it was as unusual and weird for them so I ended up in line with a bag of rubles worth $45,000. There were about a dozen people with bags as well. One Asian woman had over $100,000 in cash on her for an Infinity QX.


28 posted on 03/27/2013 7:58:12 PM PDT by cunning_fish
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To: Jyotishi

Obama is a fascist, not a communist. He is happy to have his buddies get rich from Gov’t subsidies and “loans.” He (and his beastly wife) has a taste for the finer things in life which could not be had if the whole world was communist.


29 posted on 03/27/2013 8:04:33 PM PDT by Tea Party Terrorist (Those who work for a living are now outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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