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Forget Gay Marriage: What About The Decline Of Marriage?
Investor's Business Daily ^ | March 27, 2013 | IBD EDITORIALS

Posted on 03/27/2013 4:10:17 PM PDT by raptor22

Marriage Decline: The disintegration of the nuclear family — particularly in the African-American community — and the rise in fatherless homes have greater societal implications than gay marriage, yet few pay attention.

The debate over gay marriage has taken center stage with two cases, one involving California's Proposition 8 which bans it, and the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) which bars federal agencies recognizing the validity of same-sex marriages in the states where they are legal, now before the U.S. Supreme Court.

We have argued that the civil purpose of marriage is not and never has been to reaffirm the love of two people for one another.

Nor is marriage primarily a business arrangement.

This country and healthy societies around the world and throughout history have given marriage between a man and a woman special legal protection because of the recognition that it is the one institution that ensures the society's stable future through the orderly procreation and upbringing of children.

In this context, we find the decline in marriage and the rise in illegitimacy, prime factors in crime, poverty and societal decay, being virtually ignored as the Supreme Court looks at the penumbras and emanations from the Constitution to decide whether Adam and Steve can legally tie the knot.

We should be more concerned about that than about gay rights and free contraceptives. As traditional marriage breaks down, so does society.

We have certainly come a long way from "The Cosby Show." In 1965, Daniel Patrick Moynihan wrote "The Negro Family: A Case for National Action."

At the time, 25% of black children were born out of wedlock, a number Moynihan called alarming. Today, 72% of black children are now born out of wedlock. In fact, 36% of white children are born out of wedlock.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; US: California
KEYWORDS: doma; gaymarriage; homosexualagenda; ibd; illegitimacy; marriage; prop8; proposition8; scotus; ssm

1 posted on 03/27/2013 4:10:17 PM PDT by raptor22
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To: raptor22
Marriage is vastly overrated and has ruined a lot of perfectly good relationships.

I have been married twice; once for 5.5 years, once for 25.5 years and I will NEVER do that again.

2 posted on 03/27/2013 4:16:13 PM PDT by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: raptor22
In fact, 36% of white children are born out of wedlock.

And how many more are in single parent households due to divorce?

3 posted on 03/27/2013 4:19:00 PM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: elkfersupper

My husband and I have been married for your total, happily, and our four children are glad of it.

And God willing, we’ll never need do it again!


4 posted on 03/27/2013 4:23:26 PM PDT by heartwood
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To: elkfersupper

Marriage was the best thing what ever happeneed to me.

I’ve had good and bad times, we always kept plugging away and made it work .


5 posted on 03/27/2013 4:24:18 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: raptor22

Thirty years and still counting, and God willing will never do it again.


6 posted on 03/27/2013 4:25:56 PM PDT by lightman (If the Patriarchate of the East held a state like the Vatican I would apply for political asylum.)
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To: elkfersupper

The only way to stop people from having sex is to make them get married.


7 posted on 03/27/2013 4:26:23 PM PDT by OKRA2012
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To: raptor22

I been married. Twice.

Next time I want committment, I will just check myself in.

The children will have to put up with me being alone.


8 posted on 03/27/2013 4:26:26 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: 0.E.O

I could only wish that my children were in a single parent household due to divorce.

Believe me, there is worse out there.


9 posted on 03/27/2013 4:27:24 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: raptor22

Allowing “gays” to marry will only advance the decline of marriage. BTW, can we stop the “gay” BS already?


10 posted on 03/27/2013 4:32:26 PM PDT by windsorknot
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11 posted on 03/27/2013 4:34:56 PM PDT by raptor22 (Visit my blog at True Conservatives on Twitter: http://t.co/IKpP3cwq)
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To: windsorknot

agree, and as for this homosexual not gay crap.
I;m sick of it and them.
Leave in place what has bene for thousands of years.


12 posted on 03/27/2013 4:36:22 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: raptor22

Over the past 100 or so years, the progressives have attacked marriage on several fronts: easy divorce, encouraging promiscuity, and saying that adultery is no big deal, gaining control over the schools, promoting pornography and obscenity. The goal is and has been the destruction of the traditional American family and to destroy churches as meaningful institutions in the U.S. The push for normalizing homosexuality is just the latest front.


13 posted on 03/27/2013 4:44:58 PM PDT by ConjunctionJunction
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To: raptor22
From the article:But that is NOT what nobama wants. There's no way he can become dick tator for life if we abide by those rules.

I suspect nobama is pleased as punch with the way society is rapidly sliding towards the sewer. Gots to have that slide before we can turn thisinto a turd world hell hole.

14 posted on 03/27/2013 4:47:57 PM PDT by upchuck (Free Republic: faster than a speeding bullet!)
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To: raptor22

As marriage disintegrates so does society. That was the point of this article. Some think it is clever to make snarky comments instead of realize that this is a serious issue. I have known people who don’t bother with marriage and they and their children don’t do well. The results are horrific. The children have trouble functioning. The Democrats only answer is more money spent on more programs which serve no real purpose and drain the economy. There is no substitute for a two parent family. The Democrats think a family is anything you decide it is, and many conservatives are too busy to pay attention.


15 posted on 03/27/2013 4:55:03 PM PDT by Essie
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16 posted on 03/27/2013 4:57:30 PM PDT by raptor22 (Visit my blog at True Conservatives on Twitter: http://t.co/IKpP3cwq)
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To: manc
Marriage was the best thing what ever happened to me.

Me too. I don't know what my wife sees in me, but all our years together have been happy and blessed. I'm a lucky man.

17 posted on 03/27/2013 5:01:09 PM PDT by old and tired
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To: raptor22

I think the argument can be made that slave-descended black Americans have decided to become extinct. That they have chosen, by several means, to die out as a people.

This is not a conscious choice, but a cultural one. And there are many white people more than willing to enable this choice. To speed them on their way to self extermination.

It is unlikely that it is universal among them, as some still evidence a strong will to live, to procreate and succeed in life. But for the majority, it seems the end cannot come too soon.

For the rest of us, there will be a hundred years of speculation as to why slave descended black Americans chose to do this. It is a good question if we will ever know for sure.


18 posted on 03/27/2013 5:04:54 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: raptor22

Marriage is a contract and a vow between 3 parties, God being one of the parties. I don’t think He is going to be very happy about everyone messing with His grand design for proliferation of the species. In time He will fix the problem, nature has a way of culling.


19 posted on 03/27/2013 5:06:14 PM PDT by Cindy of Nashville (What has the Democrat party become???)
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20 posted on 03/27/2013 5:10:43 PM PDT by raptor22 (Visit my blog at True Conservatives on Twitter: http://t.co/IKpP3cwq)
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To: raptor22
The deconstruction of sex, gender, and marriage (a.k.a. the LGBT agenda) and the fate of the family in general, are not unrelated. Deal with this, Investors' Business Daily:

Under a homosexual regime, it will literally be illegal to do anything, to offer any teaching material or service, to have any advocacy or awareness program which actually promotes real marriage.

Try to have

...and the gays will come and demand that you let them in, give them equal "affirmation," or THEY will shut you down.

They will shut you down.

I am not being paranoid and predicting this. I am reporting it. It is already happening. They will shut you down.

Try to address any issue, anywhere, having to do with NORMAL sex, gender, marriage and family, and they will demand affirmative twisted-sexuality content according to their standards (not yours), and when you refuse, they will shut you down.

Investors' Business Daily does NOT know what we are facing.

21 posted on 03/27/2013 5:11:37 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Now pair off in three's. " - Yogi Berra)
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To: raptor22

Great post, Thank You !


22 posted on 03/27/2013 5:13:17 PM PDT by Java4Jay (The evils of government are directly proportional to the tolerance of the people.)
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To: raptor22
I know how much Freepers hate the idea of a national DNA database.

However, if every American male knew he could be tracked down and held financially liable for his children, the illegitimate birthrate would drop quickly.

23 posted on 03/27/2013 5:19:35 PM PDT by zeestephen
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To: old and tired

LOL ame here pal, if it were not for her I would have no idea where I would be.

After the military I went nuts, drinking bad, fights nearly every night with different guys, sometimes a group of them just because I wanted to fight, lost a couple of pals on the way because I did them over too but the one person who stood with me, the one person who put up with me, the one person who was always there and stuck by me when things were not bad and having nightmares and punching out with what some called flashbacks

was my wife.

She said as soon as she ever saw me she said ot her friend that she wanted to marry me.
I was on vacation and then started a job where she worked and low and behold.

17 years of marrriage though nearly 20 years of knowing her and a handful of kids later we are still with each other

In this day and age finding a young woman who is like her, cooks, cleans, helps out, has humor, good looking , great body, not selfish and understands lots of money is not the most important thing, well it;s hard today to find women like her

Good for you pal, hope you and your wife have a nice Easter


24 posted on 03/27/2013 5:37:14 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: raptor22

“Today, 72% of black children are now born out of wedlock. In fact, 36% of white children are born out of wedlock.”

Amoung black that are third generation welfare recipients, there is no gain in being married...it just messes with your benefits. Amoung whites where marraige has lost prestige & veneration, I’m surprised the numbers of “out of wedlock” births” aren’t much greater than 36%.


25 posted on 03/27/2013 5:47:37 PM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: elkfersupper

My husband and I have been married longer than the total of your two marriages.

I understand that sometimes, people make mistakes and divorce is necessary. However, for marriage to work, both people must have a commitment to its success.


26 posted on 03/27/2013 5:49:11 PM PDT by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: manc; old and tired
Me three!

Question: Does it make sense when I say that although I'm in my second marriage, the woman that I'm married to now is my first wife?



27 posted on 03/27/2013 5:57:30 PM PDT by rdb3 (I'm NOT a movement conservative. I'm a conservative in the movement.)
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To: raptor22

I believe that the push to destroy society comes from the left’s desire to achieve utopia on earth.

Utopia does not exist. So they try to figure out why, and see some societal institution. They convince themselves that the institution in question is all that stands between humanity and utopia. So they do everything they can to destroy the institution. Once it is destroyed, and utopia has not appeared, they look around and find another institution that they can blame for the absence of utopia.

Of course, utopia is impossible. So they do more and more damage to society, seeking that impossible goal.

The irony is that the society they so dearly want to destroy is the one thing that ensures that as many people as possible have decent lives. Their efforts to achieve utopia have only driven us further from it.


28 posted on 03/27/2013 5:57:48 PM PDT by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: rdb3

does anything makes sense anymore pal?
Actually what you said , yes

I know a woman wo married, let and then married the same guy again and she said she should never have let the guy go in the first place, she thought the grass was greener on the other side and then realised how much she missed him


29 posted on 03/27/2013 5:59:13 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: manc
Marriage: Designed for a purpose. When used well it brings forth wonderful things in you and your children. It's like ripples in a calm lake.

I'm always a bit shocked by these threads, so many people dissing the kind of depth relationship they never worked for, so they can never understand how wonderful it really is.

30 posted on 03/27/2013 6:09:24 PM PDT by Lakeshark (!)
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To: raptor22

Soon all the homosexuals will be married and all the straights will be living in sin.


31 posted on 03/27/2013 6:17:48 PM PDT by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: Lakeshark

I hear you, as my wife states.”people are too quick to get a divorce and think they;ll get it all instead of working out issues “

Hell my misses has worked some issues with me and stayed with me , so hse talks her walk


32 posted on 03/27/2013 6:25:38 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: raptor22; All

I don’t think the gays understand the true PAWNS they are of the Left. The Left sees gays as Useful Idiots.

They are being USED to further the socialist agenda. Break down the nuclear family, normalize any and every kind of sexual perversion and BINGO! You’re all in.

Why do I constantly have to EXPLAIN this to people? I just do not get it...


33 posted on 03/27/2013 6:28:51 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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To: raptor22
In this context, we find the decline in marriage and the rise in illegitimacy, prime factors in crime, poverty and societal decay, being virtually ignored as the Supreme Court looks at the penumbras and emanations from the Constitution to decide whether Adam and Steve can legally tie the knot.

It's not homosexuals wanting to be married that has hastened the ruin of marriage. It is heterosexuals who started practicing serial monogamy, or didn't bother getting married at all, and let their children raise themselves, with disastrous results.

34 posted on 03/27/2013 6:42:30 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: manc
Divorce is a tough thing, I've seen it with friends so I'm not going to say it's never the right thing to do; I'm just thankful about having partnered with a great woman and to have had the kind of relationship (in all ways) that makes us both more full.

Sure, we've had knock down drag outs, the whole nine yards, but I'd not trade our time together (or our children, our shared business, our life together) for anything.

35 posted on 03/27/2013 6:42:41 PM PDT by Lakeshark (!)
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To: Lakeshark

well I wish you both happiness and a long and happy life


36 posted on 03/27/2013 6:45:00 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
normalize any and every kind of sexual perversion and BINGO!

I'm contemplating calling the gay lifestyle police on you........how judgemental you are......

:-)

37 posted on 03/27/2013 6:45:50 PM PDT by Lakeshark (!)
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To: Lakeshark

And d@mn proud of it!

I need my own ‘Pride’ flag. How about Red, White & Blue with a field of stars? ;)


38 posted on 03/27/2013 7:01:50 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
Works for me.

Let's hope we can fly it again without being sad for what once was a great nation.

I wonder if the next generation will ever know what they're missing when they fly their gay Bambi socialismiscool um, er......lifestyle flags......

39 posted on 03/27/2013 7:19:46 PM PDT by Lakeshark (!)
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To: manc
Thanks! Good to know I'm not all the way crazy.

Seriously, I'll be honest here. I never, ever was in love in my first marriage. It was two things, really.

I was in love with the idea of being in love, not the woman. Also, a drop-dead gorgeous woman who came to me appealed to my own vanity. I didn't even see her until...

Why lie?



40 posted on 03/27/2013 7:44:48 PM PDT by rdb3 (I'm NOT a movement conservative. I'm a conservative in the movement.)
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To: raptor22

The Supreme Court - About to Play God Again?


41 posted on 03/27/2013 7:51:50 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: raptor22
Forget Gay Marriage: What About The Decline Of Marriage?

The push to get rid of marriage came from the same people now pushing "gay marriage".

Their goal has always been the same, to get rid of marriage so that the family would die. It worked in the poor community where they could bribe people not to marry but did not succeed as well in the more well off who were less susceptible to their pressure.

Now they are trying a new way.

Instead of no one getting married they want everyone to be "married".

Once again their aim is to break apart the family.

I forget who it was that said "If everyone is "special" then nobody is special."

They were right.

If marriage is not considered a special legal relationship meant to create a family but is akin to a handshake then it is no longer marriage.

No marriage = no family.

No family = no civilization.

I know that some here think that is a good thing.

You hear it from the guys and gals bragging about how they "won't be tied down". And that it is too much work. And of course that no one is perfect enough for them.

And bit by bit they continue to chip away at the foundation of that they claim to want to keep.

It is sad really.

42 posted on 03/27/2013 8:11:27 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Promotional Fee Paid for by "Ouchies" The Sharp, Prickly Toy You Bathe With!)
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To: ConjunctionJunction
....progressives have attacked marriage on several fronts: easy divorce, encouraging promiscuity, and saying that adultery is no big deal, gaining control over the schools, promoting pornography and obscenity. The goal is and has been the destruction of the traditional American family and to destroy churches as meaningful institutions in the U.S.

After they destroy traditional marriage - what will they go after next? Seriously. Liberal elites only seem happy when they're trying to destroy us. No 'win' is ever enough for them. It's the process of hurting us that they get off on...

43 posted on 03/27/2013 8:32:51 PM PDT by GOPJ (DHS HAS secured: 1.6 BILLION bullets - 2.700 tanks and 35,000 drones ...to use on American soil...)
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To: GOPJ

Destroy the traditional family and destroy the churches. What you are left with is their liberal “utopia” nightmare.


44 posted on 03/27/2013 9:22:23 PM PDT by ConjunctionJunction
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To: raptor22
When Peyton Place came out, followed by a host of other "daytime dramas" we used to call soap operas, my mother commented that it was an attack on the family.

Of course, people said she was going overboard with that, but let's look: The soap opera 'normalized' infidelity, making it seem more common than it was. Once that was done, the conventional wisdom that infidelity was rampant led to an "everyone is doing it" mentality, which led to "why not me"?

Of course, there were probably far more holdouts who did not engage in affairs than the image of society that was presented, but with the advent of The Pill and no-fault divorce, the road was paved for the demise of the institution of marriage in the US.

Breaking down the family would leave the vacuum the State would fill.

(Once again, Mom was right.)

Continuing into the sixties and seventies, the 'hippie' movement and "free love" only continued the erosion of the social fabric (and the spread of venereal disease), using sex as a lure to get people to engage in the further attack on other social institutions, capitalizing on the raging hormones of youth and a natural tendency of the age group to rebel against authority.

None of this is accidental, IMHO, nor has the similar gambit with homosexuals been either accidental nor completely spontaneous.

From the 45 Communist Goals of 1963:

24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.

25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.

26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."

27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a "religious crutch."

28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state."

All work together hand-in glove to achieve the same ends: More State Control.

But wait!, There's more...

39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.

40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.

41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.

Well, most of those goals have been achieved. They are working on one of the final ones, and may yet succeed:

29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.

Call it what you will, Global Communism, Global Socialism, The New World Order, or just plain Anti-American, but the threat is real, and has been growing for well over 50 years.

On June 17, 1963 the U.S. Supreme Court concluded that any Bible reciting or prayer, in public schools, was deemed unconstitutional--which flies in the face of the 1st Amendment clause "...nor prohibit the free exercise thereof."

It has been down hill from there, with SCOTUS sanctioned abuses of virtually every Amendment in the Bill of Rights since.

45 posted on 03/27/2013 11:58:20 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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