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Doctor says controlling gun talk leads to censorship
wistv.com ^ | March 27, 2013 | Taylor Kearns

Posted on 03/27/2013 10:31:54 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe

COLUMBIA, SC (WIS) -

Upstate Rep. Joshua Putnam says the doctor's office is no place to be asked about your guns.

But at Palmetto Pediatric, Dr. Deborah Greenhouse says it can be an invaluable part of routine checkups. She's seen what happens when kids don't get the message.

"Three-year old, 5-year old sibling," explained Greenhouse. "A gun was laying around. One picked it up, shot and killed the other."

"Just like I would talk to a family where maybe the parent is a smoker and would be exposing the child to secondhand smoke, it's the same thing here," she said. "If the parent is a firearm owner, we should be talking to them about how to keep their child safe."

"The intent of this legislation is to put a safeguard there to make sure that the Second Amendment rights and the privacy of South Carolinians are not trampled upon," said Putnam.

Putnam's bill is similar to one Floridians came to know as Docs vs. Glocks. It passed two years ago but didn't hold up to First Amendment challenges and could be repealed.

Putnam said his bill is meant to ensure physicians won't one day be required to turn over patient information that would be put into a kind of a federal gun owner database.

"We just don't want the citizens to go their physician and have something jotted down in notes and then that gets reported back to the federal government," he said.

"I would say that is totally ludicrous," said Greenhouse. "I do not document in my chart the number of guns in a household. I don't really care. I do mark that I counseled a family on firearm safety."

Putnam's bill would allow doctors to discuss guns if the patient were being treated for mental health purposes was in an abusive situation or if they'd already been shot.

According to Greenhouse, it's a slippery slope.

"Today it's Mr. Putnam saying I can't talk about gun safety," she said. "Tomorrow, it could be someone from big tobacco saying I can't talk about smoking cessation."

Putnam said he's fine with doctors handing out pamphlets on gun safety, but that in the exam room, doctors should focus only on the medicine.


TOPICS: US: South Carolina
KEYWORDS: banglist; checkup; doctors; guncontrol; guns; secondamendment

1 posted on 03/27/2013 10:31:54 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Just tell the AMA doc you have a shotgun in your pants.


2 posted on 03/27/2013 10:35:17 PM PDT by max americana (fired liberals in our company after the election, & laughed while they cried (true story))
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To: max americana

And what qualifies this doctor to advise anyone on firearms? Is she a qualified firearms instructor? Pure overreach by the doctor.


3 posted on 03/27/2013 10:39:52 PM PDT by JMS
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To: max americana

“Just tell the AMA doc you have a shotgun in your pants.”

That’s what I would recommend... “yes, I do have a gun, but I go to a urologist for problems with that...”


4 posted on 03/27/2013 10:46:54 PM PDT by babygene ( .)
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To: JMS

“And what qualifies this doctor to advise anyone on firearms?”

The same standard which qualifies an illegal alien, brainless Kenyan to be p-resident?


5 posted on 03/27/2013 10:53:26 PM PDT by max americana (fired liberals in our company after the election, & laughed while they cried (true story))
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To: Tailgunner Joe

I think that all this doctor talk about fire arms is way out of proportion. According to the 2009 data, among all child accidental deaths nationally, firearms were involved in 1.1 percent, compared to motor vehicles (41 percent), suffocation (21 percent), drowning (15 percent), fires (8 percent), pedal cycles (2 percent), poisoning (2 percent), falls (1.9 percent), environmental factors (1.5 percent), and medical mistakes (1 percent). Since the difference between accidental deaths due to medical mistakes (1 percent) and accidental deaths due to firearms (1.1 percent) is only 0.1 percentage points, perhaps we should consider a ban on pediatricians along with the ban they propose on firearms and large-capacity magazines.


6 posted on 03/27/2013 11:01:56 PM PDT by jonrick46 (The opium of Communists: other people's money.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe; upchuck

“So, Doctor, what are your qualifications in the field of firearm safety? None? Does your malpractice insurer know that you are giving advice outside your scope of competence?”


7 posted on 03/27/2013 11:17:55 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have IngSoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
This is how commercials for boys were like in 1982 right before sissies and limp-wristed politicians took over
8 posted on 03/28/2013 12:27:17 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (Paul Ryan 2016)
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To: Berlin_Freeper
Mattel Fanner 50 -- my favorite toy when I was 7 years old
9 posted on 03/28/2013 1:18:06 AM PDT by Maceman
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Your health care held at ransom to Utopian social engineering and demographic warfare.

Result? A wholesale loss of freedom.

Eff the government and its agenda.

Much more of this crap and soon Americans will simply refuse to pay their taxes.A very good move IMHO if done
by all.


10 posted on 03/28/2013 1:27:03 AM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Here's a thought-

If a doc tells you he's required to question you about firearms, tell him to show YOU the part of the law that requires you to answer.

11 posted on 03/28/2013 3:15:57 AM PDT by MamaTexan (Please do not mistake my devotion to fairness as permission to be used as a doormat)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Putnam said he's fine with doctors handing out pamphlets on gun safety, but that in the exam room, doctors should focus only on the medicine.

That's the crux of the matter. Nothing I hated more than coming in to get a laceration stitched and waiting for the spiel about tobacco to wind down. (I paid for that five minutes, d@mnit!)

12 posted on 03/28/2013 3:20:56 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

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13 posted on 03/28/2013 3:23:54 AM PDT by Pollster1
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To: Tailgunner Joe
"I would say that is totally ludicrous," said Greenhouse. "I do not document in my chart the number of guns in a household. I don't really care. I do mark that I counseled a family on firearm safety."

Why would you do that if they didn't have guns? Which is all the powers that be need if they are going to try to take (all) guns away.

Better lecture everyone, just in case, or you have flagged gun owning households.

14 posted on 03/28/2013 3:26:05 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: jonrick46

Mr. and Mrs. Jones, I didn’t realize you owned a car. Do you know what cars do to children?


15 posted on 03/28/2013 3:49:00 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

I have one of those doctor type of phobias, have not seen one in three years, so its nothing off my back, and if I had to be in a doctors chair getting interrogated I would probably act stupid. Very easy to act stupid and get away with it then trying to tell lies.


16 posted on 03/28/2013 3:53:15 AM PDT by Eye of Unk
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To: Tailgunner Joe

The solution to this is ridiculously obvious.

Don’t ask about guns, simply give every parent who walks through the door a brief gun safety talk and perhaps some written materials on the subject.

This method is far superior than asking about guns for several reasons:

1) It does not intrude on anyone’s privacy.
2) It does not undermine the parent’s trust in the pediatrician. Asking about guns will put many parents on the defensive (rightfully so) and will lead to them being more cautious about answering legitimate questions regarding their children’s health.
3) A parent who has had his/her privacy intruded on with gun questions, is likely to be upset and less likely to hear or process any gun safety information that comes from the doctor.
4) Parents may be so offended by the intrusive questions that they change doctors.
5) Parents with guns might lie and say they have no, to avoid the intrusion into their privacy, and then they won’t get the reminders about gun safety.
6) A parent who has no guns at the child’s current checkup would answer “No” and not get the gun safety information, but might acquire a gun or guns before the next checkup.

If the goal is to prevent tragic gun accidents, (an admirable one) as opposed to intruding on parent’s privacy, collecting data for the government or getting people used to giving up their privacy, the answer is obvious. Ask no questions and assume everyone has guns and give everyone the safety information.


17 posted on 03/28/2013 4:01:35 AM PDT by Above My Pay Grade (The people have the right to tell government what guns it may possess, not the other way around.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

I didn’t get past the first paragraph when I read “She’s seen what happens when kids don’t get the message.”

There was no need to read any further. Woman + gun = liberal democrat.


18 posted on 03/28/2013 4:02:04 AM PDT by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

There will be a checkbox in the medical electronic records database mandated under Obamacare. ‘gunowner y/n’ Now, the government will have access to all of this data.

If you feel comfortable with this data going to the government through your doctor, then by all means, answer the question.

If you are smart you’d simply agree with the doctor that “guns are bad” and insist you would never allow a firearm in your home or even your neighborhood.

If you play games, the doctor will just tag you as a gunowner and move on.

Answering “no” is the best course of action for any American.


19 posted on 03/28/2013 4:06:19 AM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: Tailgunner Joe
If a physician asks you about guns in your home or recommends getting rid of them ask them to sign this: Physician Affidavit of Qualifications and Liability Bet they won't sign it!!!
20 posted on 03/28/2013 4:12:29 AM PDT by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org | Self defense is a basic human right!)
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To: 2nd amendment mama

I love it. I think most pediatricians who were handed one of those forms would stop ask any patients or their parents about guns.


21 posted on 03/28/2013 4:26:32 AM PDT by Above My Pay Grade (The people have the right to tell government what guns it may possess, not the other way around.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

If my doctor ever starts asking me questions about this, I’ve already decided I’m simply going to lie about it and say “No, I do not have any.”

If we get argumentative with them with the “none of your business line”, I suspect that will trigger a visit from Mr. Law Officer.

I have no NRA stickers on any of my vehicles....no identifying giveaways.


22 posted on 03/28/2013 4:32:21 AM PDT by MachIV
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To: MachIV

If my doctor ask the question do you have any guns and I responded No....... he would ask “Why not?”


23 posted on 03/28/2013 4:34:29 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 .....The fairest Deduction to be reduced is the Standard Deduction)
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To: bert

Sounds like my childhood dentist. I think he was a Bircher :-)


24 posted on 03/28/2013 4:35:44 AM PDT by MachIV
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To: Tailgunner Joe

My doctor does not have to ask. We have gone shooting quite a few times together. (^;


25 posted on 03/28/2013 4:46:17 AM PDT by Clay Moore ("In politics, stupidity is not a handicap." Napoleon Bonaparte)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

*sigh* Great commercial.

Unfortunately now, Having that kind of fun, those boys would be arrested and handcuffed, thrown out of school, put on Ritalin, or a police SWAT team would raid their home.

It’s interesting how as the elites attempt to destroy boys being boys and demonize owning guns, the result has been an increase in school shootings, and drive by shootings.


26 posted on 03/28/2013 4:52:10 AM PDT by Flick Lives (We're going to be just like the old Soviet Union, but with free cell phones!)
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To: Eye of Unk

“I have one of those doctor type of phobias, have not seen one in three years,”


Only three? Last time I saw a doctor, nicotine patches were still prescription only.

Doctor’s attitude: F*ck you — do it my way or not at all.

Nicotine patches came off “prescription only” status, and they helped me quit smoking. For good. MY WAY.


27 posted on 03/28/2013 6:21:59 AM PDT by Peet (Notice: Due to the high price of ammo, there will be NO warning shots.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
"I would say that is totally ludicrous," said Greenhouse. "I do not document in my chart the number of guns in a household. I don't really care. I do mark that I counseled a family on firearm safety."

I never thought of going to a pediatrician for a gun safety course. I wonder if my health insurance covers that. I hope she offers food safety classes too. That is a much more common problem.

28 posted on 03/28/2013 7:26:13 AM PDT by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: BykrBayb

Check out the link in my post #20 on this thread.


29 posted on 03/28/2013 11:50:17 AM PDT by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org | Self defense is a basic human right!)
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To: 2nd amendment mama

I love it! Especially the liability portion.


30 posted on 03/28/2013 11:57:11 AM PDT by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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