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1 posted on 03/27/2013 10:45:06 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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I think the reason why the GOP has never used the issue of marriage as powerfully as it could be used to break the stranglehold of Democrats over minorities is because behind the scenes many wanted to lose on this issue as it seems with many issues. Its almost as if many in GOP leadership see their role as that of easing the path to the same destination that the left is heading.

Gay marriage is the product of the same warped folks who gave us radical feminism, environmental radicalism, and the result of the free love big government generation. If you believe in gay marriage you must believe homosexuality is good and just as good as heterosexual behavior. It is not and it should not be encouraged. Sexual disease spreads like wildfire in the homosexual community especially among homosexual men largely driven by sodomy and rampant many times anonymous sexual promiscuous behavior that exceeds the most sexually active heterosexual by several orders of magnitude. Many new and drug resistant forms of stds are incubating within the crucible of the homosexual community. It was not an accident that AIDS first expressed itself in the gay community. It doesn’t mean we have to be hateful of course but not believing in the warping the whole of culture to radical sexual and diseased gaycentricism is not hate. Hate is ignoring the negatives and allowing the young to be deceived to their detriment and putting children in the hands of those that in many cases will be more likely to abuse them.

Homosexuality as with sexual behavior in general is largely a choice in all but rare cases where a persons conscious control is abridged but human beings in that state are more animal than person and its not as if we should make their behavior a model for good society. Twin studies as well as others show that environment plays the dominate role though this is downplayed and of course there are things that predispose people to not just homosexuality but the whole spectrum of sexual deviance but even in cases where women are masculinized through physical disorder there are those that manage to live happy productive lives in normal heterosexual relationships. (Gay Is Not All in the Genes http://news.sciencemag.org/sciencenow/2008/06/30-01.html) Do I believe someone should be forced to conform to heterosexual norms. No but they should have to live within the heterosexual dominated society with the assumption that heterosexuality is the biologically correct and desired mode of sexuality. The idea that a fringe sexual behavior be elevated even if there is a degree of inborn component is dangerous because those same arguments can be made for pedophilia, rape, and other things that are now considered sexual crimes. The truth is there is certainly not just one manifestation of “homosexual” and given the number of homosexuals that move quietly in and out of the heterosexual lifestyle many qualify more as bisexual than exclusively homosexual. This of course doesn’t fit the destructive gay propaganda which has used the concept of being “born this way” as a slogan to breach the lines of what are normally reasoned people.

The idea is that if they are born that way then how can they be denied gravitating to their biological natural state? That phrase alone should reveal the illogic and danger of the whole concept. Human beings if you are to accept the secular point of view are no more than animals.
What then is the biological natural state of the human animal? Civilization if you assume the secular view is the product of human beings suppressing and controlling their natural state for the benefit of all. Accepting the secular view the natural human state for sexuality would be closer to rape in the initial encounter than anything close to dating. One doesn’t have to observe many animals to realize this. Sure primates have a gentle side but the wild ones can just as soon rip your arm off as do tricks for bananas.

Why is heterosexuality inherently superior? Its simple. The superiority is in the potential to produce children. Sure there are the childless but they are the exception though because of disastrous left wing ideas whole genetic linages are disappearing because of delayed reproduction of the so called “best and brightest”. A secularist as well as the religious should be alarmed at this because those that do not reproduce in a secular point of view cease to exist. The single Mom on welfare is more fit from a Darwinian perspective than the CEO Woman who never has a baby. I often wonder if this is not the goal. That an elite group desires that the world be populated primarily with a permanent underclass that is not only environmentally constrained by poverty but also starting out genetically disadvantaged through the self culling of the “best and the brightest”.

I had a friend that proposed such an idea concerning the priest hood that it had an effect of removing those with a genetic advantage for mental capacity from the gene pool lessening competition for feudal lords etc. I do not entirely buy this idea but whether purposely or not or genetic or not the effect is the same. If the “best and brightest” do not reproduce while those who are not the brightest have the equivalent of litters its not hard to see what the end result will be.

That said homosexuality by its very nature requires greater government involvement to function especially in the mode of marriage/reproduction. The idea of a sperm bank becomes essential. Children have donors rather than fathers or Mothers that have clear biological links to their offspring.
This automatically places kids at more risk of abuse. Non biological parents are far more likely to abuse their step children. This is a well documented phenomenon called the
Cinderella effect. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinderella_effect)

Added to this mix is the fact that homosexual men/bisexual men especially report having suffered child abuse at rates far higher than heterosexual men. (Department of Epidemiology, UCLA School of Public Health Study http://www.midus.wisc.edu/findings/pdfs/138.pdf) These two things alone should be big red flags for danger of promoting gay marriage, gay adoption especially given the fact that those that are abused are more prone to risky behavior both sexual and drug related as well as having higher propensity towards acting out violently.
(http://health.usnews.com/health-news/family-health/brain-and-behavior/articles/2010/07/21/risky-behavior-drug-use-among-some-gay-men-linked-to-childhood-abuse)

This at a minimum suggests a very strict policy should be enforced concerning anyone who has been abused having access to foster children or being allowed to adopt them regardless of orientation but given the much higher incidence of reported child abuse homosexuality/bisexuality should set off immediate red flags that should have to be resolved before even considering allowing gay men to adopt or foster. Already children have been allowed to stay in gay foster, adoptive situations even after indicators of abuse were evident because of political correctness. (Gay couple left free to abuse boys - because social workers feared being branded homophobic http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-480151/Gay-couple-left-free-abuse-boys—social-workers-feared-branded-homophobic.html)

Thomas Sowell summed this issue up very well when he stated “The ‘Notion of gay marriage’ is product of sloppy thinking” but I would add it is also the product of a culture of denial and a modern mythology. The left is expert in preying on the heart strings of people in order to get them to believe and accept horrors. When the issue was abortion they raised the specter of women dying in back alleys even though the number so small as to make one wonder why it was even an issue.

“The last full year before Roe 1972, the federal Centers for Disease Control reported that 39 women died due to illegal abortion. (The death total for all abortions, including legal ones, was 88.)”

They’ve tried with Global Warming to do the same thing by vastly inflating numbers to effect “change” to save the world even though he contribution of human beings to environmental CO2 is extremely small as is the total environmental CO2 while totally ignoring the fact that CO2 levels have been several times what they are today in the past and warm periods have occurred long before industrialized man. I hope you see the pattern here.

Now we have same sex marriage, the next step in dumbing down deviance and norming homosexuality. We have the left primary as well as some useful idiots on the right that have bought into what is essentially propaganda meant to transform society once again with little consideration of whether it is good or not. They raise the specter of oppressed homosexuals who just were trying to be themselves. It doesn’t matter that studies show that more than half of those identifying as homosexual are almost certainly environmental and any even greater number of women. It doesn’t matter the role that child abuse appears to have in forming the homosexual orientation of many homosexual men. It doesn’t matter that male homosexual activity is far more prone to disease and is acting as an incubator for drug resistant sexual disease and that curbing the rampant risky behavior within the gay community has been largely a non starter. None of this matters and that is the what is wrong with the whole idea of SSM. It is enshrining the exception which will then be used to suppress the rule. The idea that everyone will be forced to publicly affirm what is essentially a private sexual behavior or else is a tyranny of the most weird and pernicious kind.


153 posted on 03/28/2013 8:18:30 AM PDT by Maelstorm (This country wasn't founded with the battle cry "Give me liberty or give me a govt check!")
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If the Republican Party caves on this , I am out!


158 posted on 03/28/2013 9:09:15 AM PDT by upcountryhorseman (An old fashioned conservative)
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Well, now the GOP-e is finally out of the closet with their position. I now remove myself from the GOP-e. By their declaration they have now made it impossible for me to donate to the GOP, financially or otherwise.


160 posted on 03/28/2013 9:18:35 AM PDT by Obadiah (High speed, low drag.)
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Another deceptive headline. OK, this is my latest hobbyhorse now. What is this, the latest from the New and Improved Alinsky playbook? Propaganda by Misleading Headlines?

Headline should have read something like: Preibus: OK to Separate Beliefs from Principles.

Or was Washington Times headline writer being sarcastic? Well, too subtle by a mile. Sounds dangerously replacementarian to me.

Anyway, we are head to H. in a handbasket anyway, so don’t be dismayed. There will never be gay marriage. No matter who says there is, there will never be any such thing.


161 posted on 03/28/2013 9:18:46 AM PDT by firebrand
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This is a peer pressure campaign to “peer pressure” the elites of the beltway. The USSC is too stupid to realize and too pre-biased to shift to the myth of homosexuals as a status and not an act.

homosexual conduct can and should be fought on science grounds.

The image of what is a normal mother and father family.

unfortunatly we are shut out of cnn, fnc, msnbc, and the zombie networks as well as the old print media.

the dc elites will only see the left by design. they will ignore everything else outside of the nannynyc.


168 posted on 03/28/2013 9:27:59 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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a writhing corpse of a party.. twitching.. twisting.. contorting.. but keeping camera focus (when they can find one).. The Gone2poOP

Is a ReFoRm ParTEA Deux coming up and a lot sooner than many would expect.. or Bust??


170 posted on 03/28/2013 9:31:02 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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Well, isn’t that special.

I didn’t know “Old Testament” was an insult.

Why is this man the head of ANYTHING?


181 posted on 03/28/2013 10:32:49 AM PDT by Hilda
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That guy needs a new job. We should help him find one. I will go old Testament on marriage, because our civil society is based on the word of God.

Anyone who can’t have respect for that- is going to be in a whole lot of trouble.


184 posted on 03/28/2013 11:10:08 AM PDT by Truth2012
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Priebus has always been a dopy little creep, and one of the main reason Obamagabe was reelected. He can take his RINO brigade and stick em’ where the sun don’t shine.


185 posted on 03/28/2013 11:10:28 AM PDT by NKP_Vet
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That guy needs a new job. We should help him find one. I will go old Testament on marriage, because our civil society is based on the word of God.

Anyone who can’t have respect for that- is going to be in a whole lot of trouble.


187 posted on 03/28/2013 11:23:30 AM PDT by Truth2012
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And so the criminalization of Christianity begins.....


188 posted on 03/28/2013 11:24:15 AM PDT by murrie (1 Samuel 13:16 MOLON LABE)
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At least he admits he’s a heretic.


190 posted on 03/28/2013 11:33:14 AM PDT by mrreaganaut (Coolidge 2016!)
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The RNC Chairman Reince Priebus wants us to obey man and follow after a corrupted GOP rather than Almighty God. The answer we must give him and the GOP is the same answer that Peter gave when commanded to stop preaching in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ:

When they had brought them, they stood them before the Council. The high priest questioned them, saying, “We gave you strict orders not to continue teaching in this name, and yet, you have filled Jerusalem with your teaching and intend to bring this man’s blood upon us.”

But Peter and the apostles answered, “WE MUST OBEY GOD RATHER THAN MEN." (Acts 5:27-29 NASB Emphasis Added)

RNC Chairman Reince Priebus can go to Hell and bring the GOP with him, but we who know and love the Lord Jesus Christ and who seek to live in obedience to the living Word of God CAN NOT AND WILL NOT JOIN HIM by compromising the truth in order to please corrupted, godless men and women who are consumed by their perverted lusts and on their way to Hell and a Christless eternity.

197 posted on 03/28/2013 11:54:27 AM PDT by Jmouse007 (Lord deliver us from evil, in Jesus name, amen.)
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This is not a party I can support


202 posted on 03/28/2013 12:07:07 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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Great quotes and oh so fitting.


206 posted on 03/28/2013 12:35:54 PM PDT by StarFan
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Now the GOP says we can’t talk about the Bible. Good grief!


210 posted on 03/28/2013 1:12:43 PM PDT by keats5 (Not all of us are hypnotized.)
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The two central reasons GOP-e turned on conservatives is the butt action agenda and open borders.


220 posted on 03/28/2013 1:59:52 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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231 posted on 03/28/2013 2:56:24 PM PDT by drewh
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I am just hoping God will not go old Testament on us.


245 posted on 03/29/2013 9:13:11 AM PDT by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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Late to the party on this thread, but I think it's pretty important to know that the Republican Party is now offfically the enemy of the Constitution, morality, common sense and human decency. They have taken off the mask, and are now an Enemy, Domestic. I am not exaggerating one iota.

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249 posted on 03/29/2013 4:22:53 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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